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DWB

My God, are anonymous nicks still trying (and failing miserably) to derail this? LOL Sad, sad, sad.

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No. Travel for this project has been limited to activities or meetings directly related to enforcement. There is simply not the funding available to be able to attend trade shows.

helterskelter808

"Derail" = asking why "anti piracy" crusaders do nothing about the biggest stolen content sites out there. Funny. Do you post to tubes, DWB?

AdultKing

I'd like to bust this myth wide open.

Nobody who says tubes are the biggest problem can back it up with statistics.

We ask rights holders to send us copies of their DMCA notices, I've repeated it many many times in several threads as have others, it's easy send copies of DMCA notices to [email protected]

Of the thousand or so we currently receive a day, just under 5% relate to tubes. Torrents and file lockers make up the lions share, followed by forums, self hosted websites and blogs.

We have explained many times why we started with file lockers, based on what we know to be true now it was the right choice to start with. We have also made it clear we are expanding our efforts, this is why we are asking rights holders to become represented.

Without rights holders standing up and being counted piracy will just continue, we have shown that we have the dedication and tenacity to go after pirates in a comprehensive, methodical and effective manner. With more rights holders on board we will be able to do more and more.

However , helterskelter808, if you can back up your claims with facts I'd be glad to hear them. I really do wonder where a person who has not contributed to our efforts, in any way shape or form, has the standing to be able to dictate to a non profit, volunteer based effort what they should be doing.

helterskelter808

So you're saying it's a myth that tube sites contain enormous amounts of stolen content. Interesting. I'd love to see you "back that up with statistics".

OTOH, you can demonstrate with statistics that tube sites are drastically more popular than file lockers and porn piracy forums.

AdultKing

No that's not what I said, I said that just under 5% of DMCA notices we receive copies of relate to tubes. I will also say that any analysis of the information contained in one of the largest DMCA repositories on the planet tubes account for a very small percentage of overall piracy.

Your assertion is that tubes are "the biggest stolen content sites out there". This is factually wrong, there is no evidence to support it and you have not provided any evidence to support it. You made it up based on assumption, if you didn't make it up based on an assumption them please explain your resoning.

Saying that tubes are more popular is not the same as saying tubes are a bigger piracy problem. Let me explain why, most of the big tubes own or license significant amounts of content, only a portion of the content may be infringing, whereas almost all content on file lockers is infringing. So on a per visit basis the amount of infringing content watched on a tube is far smaller than the amount of infringing content downloaded from a file locker.

xhamster.com is approximately the 45th most visited site according to Alexa, Blogger is below it at approximately 48th. However Blogger attracts many more takedown notices than xhamster.

Tube sites are more popular, no doubt about it, but that does not in and of itself make them any more infringing than a file locker of any reasonable size.

travs

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DWB

Yes, you *try* to derail the thread by asking the same old tired questions over and over and over again, knowing you're going to get the same answer. I'm pretty sure there is a word for that, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

I personally don't have a lot of piracy issues with tubes anymore unless it's older DVD rips. Tubes are VERY manageable. Some of our new sites have gone over two years without a single video showing up on a tube. I call that success. While they get the most eyes, I don't believe they are the biggest source of stolen content. That doesn't mean they are not a problem, because they are, but I have reason to believe they will be dealt with when the time comes. But that time is not today and for reasons that may or may not be known to you.

Perhaps you don't fully grasp the full size of the file locker world, but it is beyond the scope of anything most people ever imagined. They simply don't get top Google rankings like the tubes do, but they host a lot more pirated content and it's more difficult to keep it removed. They never delete the source files and only rename them. File lockers should continue to be the #1 priority. Then move to tubes after the lockers are dealt with.

A plan without a focus is a failed plan. Maybe a lack of focus is what causes so many of you to fail in your job and life, but those with a clear focus usually succeed.

helterskelter808

No, I don't. And I think it's weak to cry about 'derailing' threads because you don't like the question, especially when the question is related. My last post here was days ago. I wasn't going to post again until you chose to resurrect the subject of "derailing", days later.

As I said, that there are no tubes in the mainstream world of the same kind as those in adult suggests it is possible to kill off tubes, and the only reason they proliferate in adult is because nobody seriously tries to stop them and/or people actively support them.

With file lockers it seems to be a neverending battle, and aside from the fact that tubes are far more popular than file lockers, I think tubes are more likely to be used by (less tech savvy, or less prepared to jump through hoops) people who might otherwise pay for (the convenience of easily accessible) porn.

I'm not taking anything away from the attacks on file lockers, in fact I admire that people are actually doing something rather than just complaing about it. I have just always wondered, since 'everyone' talks about tubes being the #1 scourge, why nothing is ever really done to stop them.

Okay, fair enough.

AdultKing

It's simple, despite what myth and urban legend has spawned, cold hard numbers show that a site like PlanetSuzy.org is more harmful than xhamster.com in both the quantity of infringing content requested to be removed by rights holders and the economic impact of the piracy.

I posted a comparison of PlanetSuzy and XHamster which you can read here.

Forums and File Lockers are a much larger problem than tubes, by an order of magnitude so great that the numbers are just mind blowing.

When I started working against file lockers I had only basic models of where I thought the worst piracy was, now my models are more sophisticated I am very confident in saying that the problem of tubes is over-stated my most people - however they are still an issue that we have to address and we will over time.

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helterskelter808

Sorry, but the numbers in that post for "losses" are not "mind blowing", they are simply made up.

It's absurd to say that 1/3 (of what? how many people? whatever number it's drastically less than tubes) would have paid $19 for something they downloaded, rather than finding something else for free. How do you know this? You don't, of course. It's just as likely that nobody would have otherwise paid, therefore the losses are zero.

Trying to claim that almost $6 BILLION is lost from adult in the space of a year because of one site is absolute nonsense. Same kind of ridiculous over-inflation of "losses" the movie and music industries do, which is why many people don't take them seriously.

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AdultKing

The numbers are extrapolated but definitely not made up, in fact they're pretty conservative. Much of the content available on PlanetSuzy costs more than $19 retail. However the mean average for content we have sampled from the site is on the high side of $19.

Research by IDC, Melbourne University Law Dept, RMIT University Media Department and a number of other institutions have all come to conclusions about the percentage of people who would buy content if no piracy source for that content was available.

Many use the 33% model. The basis of the model is that one third of people acquiring content would buy it if no piracy option was available to obtain the content.

I didn't mention adult, the figure is overall, PlanetSuzy has links to downloads of mainstream content including music, tv shows, movies and software.

helterskelter808

Then it's reasonable to assume that 1/3 of the tens of millions of people who visit tube sites would also pay for the content they are currently getting for free.

AdultKing

Most content on the largest tubes sites is appropriately owned or licensed by the site, or is placed there by content owners as a form of promotion, only a small percentage of content on the large tubes is copyright infringing.

Conversely most of the content linked to from PlanetSuzy.com is not appropriately owned or licensed and has not been placed there by content owners.

From an anti piracy point of view, tubes are a very small problem compared to forums, file lockers and torrents.

AdultKing

Now that we have helterskelter808 and his attempt to derail this thread out of the way, we are still calling on rights holders to become represented.

I am asking rights holders to become represented by us so we can progress and widen our efforts. We need to polish off the file locker eco system however to be successful we need rights holders to stand up and be counted.

What we do is actively enforce your rights by working with web hosting companies, payment processing companies, banks, card associations, advertising networks and other service providers to have them stop working with the pirates and their sites.

Where organisations are un-cooperative we have a number of legal strategies that we employ to gain compliance.

We also liaise with law enforcement agencies and other government agencies to mitigate piracy on your behalf.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

I want to stress that if you are a small business or are finding cash flow tight that we will work with you to get you represented.

This is very expensive and labor intensive work, we need to charge fees to recover the costs of what we are doing, however we will reduce fees for small content owners or those with financial constraints.

Representation is non exclusive. Becoming represented by Copy Control should not impact any other relationships you have with DMCA agents, legal services, attorneys or investigators. We are a complimentary service to all of these types of organisations.

If you have any questions about becoming represented by us please email me at members -at- copycontrol.org

DWB

It is without a doubt a long battle. But to be honest, the fight really just started. Watching them losing billing, one at a time, and seeing more and more billing companies working with Copy Control, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

However, online piracy as a whole will continue to be a never ending battle UNTIL advertisers are held responsible, and/or billing companies all get on the same page. Then it's over for those who profit from piracy, which is most of them. Very few will continue when they are unable to make any money doing it.

Three.Thousand

world hunger is an even bigger problem. until AK does anything about that, his war against file lockers is useless.

adultmobile

I know very wealthy guys (owned a BMW) who download only pirated stuff.

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AK we're with you and we'll sign the agreement today.

Btw Great job!

AdultKing

Everyone who has filled out the application form should have received copies of their representation agreements by now.

For those that haven't please consider signing up to become represented by us.

To get your company , brand or content represented by Copy Control we ask that you fill out this simple form.

http://copycontrol.org/get-represented/

once you fill out this form I will send you a copy of our rights-holder representation agreement for you to sign and return back to us.

you can also read about what representation will do for you at

http://copycontrol.org/services/

We work on a cost recovery basis so the fees for representation are quite low and if you can't afford them we'll work with you to come up with a fee which suits your budget. Small rights holders would pay around $500 per year (or $50 per month), Mid sized rights holder companies would pay around $1000 per year (or $100 per month) and large rights holders would pay around $3500 per year or ($350 per month).

I want to stress that if you are a small business or are finding cash flow tight that we will work with you to get you represented.

Biggy2

looks good!

notjoe

Can you back this up with stats or are you just making assumptions?

Slappin Fish

Google transparency report, how many times is he going to have to repeat this?

Top spots all taken by torrents and filelockers, 6 pages in still can't find a tube. when it comes to % of indexed links infringing filelockers like rapidgator, ryushare, extabit, etc. are undisputed champions with up to 50%.





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notjoe

Did you ever stop to think that maybe the numbers are not a true reflection of copyright material?

Take http://www.hardsextube.com/ for example. 2006 pages worth of videos. 40 videos per pages. That is 80,240 videos. Realistically, how is a content owner supposed to be able to spot their copyrighted work within a mix of 80,000 videos?

Imagine you were trying to find your videos on xvideos.com which has 766,900. You might spot one or two videos here and there but the majority of the infringements will go unnoticed because it is next to impossible to find stolen content without it being specifically branded as the site/person/title that was used when it was stolen.

Shesh, are you guys really that stupid?

Slappin Fish

Riiight...

surveys are made with 2000 participants but google's over 12 MILLION URL's removed are not representative?

Hardsextube has 80,240 videos? great. To give you an "order of grandeur" rapidgator has had 118,428 links removed in the last month alone more than your estimated total videos on hst.

Shesh, are you really that blind you can't read simple stats?

notjoe

Makes sense. Links get taken down and then the content gets re-added. If the content is never taken down (IE Tubesites) then there is never a need to re-add ti.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

AdultKing

notjoe, what is your point, what point are you trying to make other than being against any anti-piracy effort ?

Slappin Fish

What big tube site doesn't take down reported content? Please tell me, easy money.


Google's transparency report :

rapidgator 402,774
zippyshare 524,004
ryushare 248,672
etc.

versus tubes :

redtube 901
xhamster 6,786
hardsextube 1,037
youporn 352


When you see these numbers if you still think there is more infringing content on tubes you are either retarded or trolling, I think the latter, I don't mind it bumps AK's thread.

If you are still not convinced, I'll make you a bet. You can pick any tube you like and find s.e. asian content, I bet you I can find more gb of stolen content in a single thread of a pirate forum than on your whole tube.

notjoe

I never said they don't take links down. What I did say is that is the stolen content is impossible to find then there will never be a take down noticed for it.

Let me walk you through this since you really cannot grasp the simple concept of what I am saying. I'll Give you two different situations.


PORN TUBE SITES:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download that scene and upload it to xvideos.com. I give it the title of "Blonde slut taking it in the ass"

FILE LOCKERS:
1) You produce a scene. You call it Ashley Rebel, the babysitter.
2) I download the scene and upload it to a file locker. I label it as "Ashley Rebel, The Babysitter, from site XYZ.COM".

I can easily find the file on the file host because of how it is promoted. I WANT people to know what it is because that is what will make them want to download it and what will get me paid.

However, On the tube site, there is no reference for you to be able to search for said scene and file a complaint. Don't believe me? Just go look at a few of the descriptions of some of the videos on any given tube site. Good luck finding anything other than scenes with the most generic of tags (Anal, blonde, bondage).

And THAT is why there are way more takedown notices filed against file hosts than there are tube sites.

Shesh, are you really that stupid?

notjoe

Show me where I ever said I was against anti piracy efforts? In-fact, I can show you where I said I was PRO ANTI PIRACY. What I have been and will continue to do is question your motives.

Thanks for coming out though.

DWB

No, but appraently you are.

1) Ever hear of digital finger printing?

2) Ever hear of tags, titles, keywords, and the search feature?

3) You don't have to keep looking through 80,000 pages. You can hit them a few at a time and work your way through (or use a tool to help you), you will find the guys uploading your content and then you target them. Mix with keywords and tags, it's easy actually. I can clean out any tube site, no matter how many pages, in a matter of 15 - 30 mins. Then it's easy-peasy to manage from there. And once you target the large boys, most of the smaller ones scrape from those, so you kill them as well in one swoop many times.

4) There are other ways I won't tell you about, because in no way do I want to help those who are stealing from others.

Seriously, how do you make it through the day without tying your shoelaces together?

DWB

Best laugh I've had all day.

You really need to keep up with the times and the tools available to you. I hope you're not looking for your videos one at a time like this.

AdultKing

I'd like notjoe to show me a tube where I can see thousands of gigabytes of complete site rips.

notjoe

Lol, Have fun downloading every single video on xvideos and creating a fingerprint to compain against the fingerprints created for your video

You must still have AK's covering your eyes. As I previously said, if someone tags the scene without any of the unique data you used originally, you'll never find it on a tube site.

If you only have one guy uploading your content you should really learn what you're doing because your content clearly sucks.

Where is your definitive proof that I am stealing from others? Calling me a thief and pirate without any sort of proof is a pretty bold move.

AdultKing

We have no trouble finding pirated content on tubes, I don't understand why you think it's so difficult.

DWB

That is not how finger printing works. You only have to finger print your content. Not all the content in the world.

Keep telling yourself that. Like I said, it's easy to find your content on a tube site. For the past two years the only content that is on a tube site that belongs to me is content we have allowed or a fresh DVD rip we have not removed yet.


Guys. Not guy. And yes, it is easy to find the guys who are repeat offenders for uploading your content. Like I said, we have not had a problem with tubes in over two years now. Yet you're still crying about them as if they just happened. Tubes are TOTALLY manageable if you have the right tools. That doesn't mean I like them, but I learned how to manage them.

Are you? I didn't say so. I said I'm not telling you because I'm not going to tell everyone who is stealing from everyone else. If you happen to fall into that category, that is on you. But I'm not announcing to every shit stain on GFY how content can be found so they can find a way to circumvent our efforts.

freakfiles

Represented?

You basically say that tubes are OK and it is strange to hear this in regards to sites that built their empire on 100% stolen content. Everybody knows that.

AK knows this very well and in fact has started a similar campaign against tubes a while back > gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1024634 < but then sold out to Manwin and the effort died down right alongside his opinion about tubes.

I would be very vary about this "get represented". AK has been funded by Manwin who are currently under a huge investigation. These people didn't pay their taxes and I'm not sure if AK pays all the taxes he has to, so I would stay away.

notjoe

Are YOU sure you know how it works?

"Video Fingerprint (VF) is a compact digital descriptor of a video signal. It describes the colors, scene structure and motion of objects, i.e. actual content. Two copies of a movie will have similar video fingerprints, even if they are acquired from different sources or have a different quality or format. You can extract these descriptors from any video signal that is acquired from any type of source: fragment of TV broadcast, video file, online video, DVD or Blu-ray Disk, etc. The resulting video fingerprints can be stored, copied and compared with each other.Video Fingerprint (VF) is a compact digital descriptor of a video signal. It describes the colors, scene structure and motion of objects, i.e. actual content. Two copies of a movie will have similar video fingerprints, even if they are acquired from different sources or have a different quality or format. You can extract these descriptors from any video signal that is acquired from any type of source: fragment of TV broadcast, video file, online video, DVD or Blu-ray Disk, etc. The resulting video fingerprints can be stored, copied and compared with each other."

Sounds like two videos are being compared.

How much is manwin paying you to rollover for tube sites?


My apologies. I thought you had referenced me explicitly. In-fact, I'm 90% sure that was the case. Not sure if things got changed or I just misread what you wrote.

DWB

Yes. And all the biggest tubes offer this or participate in at least one finger printing system. Those choosing this method can clear the tubes of their content with total ease.

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I don't say anything of real value here that could be used by pirates.

AdultKing

I have never said illegal tubes are ok. What I have said is that they don't provide the same level of difficulty as file lockers, forums and torrents do.

There are no tubes that I know of that have thousands of gigabytes of entire site rips, yet there are more than a dozen file lockers that do.

Manwin were one contributor out of over 40 contributors in the early days of the Stop File Lockers project. They do not contribute to us now, we are not beholden to them, in fact in the new year I plan to announce an offensive against copyright infringement occurring in the "on demand media" space - this will include tubes.

It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that if we are successful that we will end your illegitimate source of income would it ?

I put my real name and real identity on the line for this project and the anti-piracy cause, unlike you, and people like you, who hide behind keyboard personas without the guts to put their real name to what they say.

We are a credible threat to online piracy that has a proven track record of disrupting hundreds upon hundreds of piracy sites, it's no wonder that the pro-piracy movement feels the need to talk down our work.

AdultPornMasta

Yawn!

DWB

bumped....

xes network

bump and thanks for johnny load for referring me to the copy control signup link . just entered our info looking forward to trying out the service.

Half man, Half Amazing

Using the GTR to track filehosts is actually waaaaaaay underestimating it. FYI we have removed well over 3 million filehost infringements but rarely, if ever, report those to Google. The main reason is that for most filehosts you can't search them in Google, thus those individual file pages are never indexed by Google. To report them to Google isn't really necessary unless you're trying to just make a point that they are bad guys. But since you're limited to how much you can report to Google per day, reporting that in lieu of say Pornhub or PirateBay URLs is a waste of a URL.

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