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150 Real reasons we got into this mess

Very true, not to mention the financial catastrophe that almost became a full on depression. But good luck getting the right wingers to realize that. They have unanimously forgotten anything that happened before January 3, 2009.

You gotta give the right-wing propaganda machine credit...they've been unbelievably good at inducing amnesia among their dupes.



usual disclaimer - I'm neither democrat or republican.

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Minte

I am ending this thread with the one good thing that happened today. A few weeks ago the girlscouts used our plant to distribute two truckloads of cookies to the various troops. We supplied forklifts and labor to unload and set up all the cookies.

I mentioned to the lady in charge, that I didn't have any girlscouts come to the house to sell me some cookies. and I really like the thin mints. I was thinking maybe two boxes.

When I got back to the office this afternoon, there were 3 cases! of thin mints sitting on my desk. I loaded the first case on the golfcart and cruised around the shop and passed out sealed sleaves of cookies. All we were missing was the ice cold milk.

L-Pink

Hint: The thin mints last a long time and taste best as well when frozen. Goodnight dude!

tony286

Thats very cool. Have a goodnight.

Sly

I like the peanut butter sandwich ones. And a few years ago there was a cranberry white chocolate chip one out of California only, man that was heavenly.

I haven't gotten any this year.

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Sly

I found them online!

They are called: Thank U Berry Munch

Now I must find them.

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jimmy-3-way

You are such a fucking queer.

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epitome

If you believe the polls about 50% of America is terrified of another Obama administration. A pessimist says the market dropped 324 because of Obama, an optimist would be shocked that it only dropped 324 considering how many people are supposedly anti-Obama and are afraid the world is really ending.

Considering that most of the people that move the money around all day likely preferred Romney, the drop is not all that alarming.

KillerK

Bullshit!

You can't really be serious.

Maybe you have respect for weight loss success. But you are part of that "you didn't build this crap"

bean-aid

Originally Posted by Rochard
Currently I pay heathcare for twenty-six people.

Originally Posted by Rochard
I have twenty-one people on staff at two different companies at two different locations.

I would also like to know...

hineken

I thought he had a lot of cars

CDSmith

Damn, I'm up late and having one of my insomnia nights tonight, thus heating up some warm milk...

..and now after reading this thread I'm dying for a handful of those thin mints.

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So what's the solution?

Well you're business started in the 60s so you had some great years.

In 100 years Americans will look back at their short term at the top of the pile and wonder what went wrong.

The less tax = more jobs lie is so proven to be a lie, it's amazing so many peddle it. It has no logic and silly to the extreme. Still this is the argument.

If I get more in my pay packet, I will go out and spend more. So where do the extra jobs come from? Not jobs in the shops, serving more people rarely calls for a big increase in people serving. Yes it builds a few more malls and fast food outlets. It doesn't in the 21st century build more factories in the US. It turns the US into a Nation of shop keepers.

If I earn more, I will work harder. So someone earning $50k a year, won't work harder to earn earn an extra $50 if on that extra he pays 10% more tax. He will let his family get buy on $50k, rather than $90k. The opposite is true, people struggling to make ends meet, take on two jobs or work longer hours.

Still it brings up the question of people earning more. If a businessman can get his product made cheaper, he will go for it. By cutting staff, automating or simply shipping jobs to cheaper places in the world.

These two point are superbly illustrated here in the online porn business. Companies will go with the cheapest supplier no matter where he is, to maximise their profits and wage packet. Nothing wrong with that, but why assume it's different?

Is there a better way?

IMO yes. Maximise the profits of the private sector, without abusing the country or system. Then tax these big earners so they support the country around them.

Get rid of the Private Health near monopoly and copy the model that's successful in the rest of the civilised world.

No bright student from what ever back ground of income level should have to pay for an education in a subject that will advance the countries future. The sciences, engineering, type subjects. If they want to take college courses to become lawyers or doctors, for instance, on a grant. They have to repay that by working in the public sector for say 10 years.

Take some of the Government money and invest it in companies like http://www.teslamotors.com/ or Solar panels. Robbie said that he didn't have solar panels because of the cost. That's wrong. Subsidise the price of US manufactured solar panels that are fitted to US homes and feed the excess back into the National Grid. Las Vegas might become energy independent during the day with such a plan.

There are other areas that better investment will produce a better future for America. Still the truth will be that some will be left behind, not by choice. These people have to be cared for, because that's the way the World is going. Do they get looked after well, allowed to sit at home and do nothing and vegetate into a lower class? No they have to be employed and if business won't or can't employ them. Business has to pay for them to be employed. In jobs to make the country a better place.

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Says it all.

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Relentless

I recommend adding a bell to the golf cart like on an ice cream truck. ;)

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Paul Markham

What a big hearted man you are.

Try doing the same fr those who can't get a job or were laid off.

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tony286

Yes I am and Im also part of the I can read think and for myself crowd. I dont take Frank Luntz talking points as gospel.
You know nothing of me and I dont know what you do but I have been a small business owner since 2001. Without a middle class with money in their pockets, I dont make money. So I see the current I got mine fuck you attitude and that effects me. Whether its the guy who doesnt make enough to buy porn or the banks who played games and when it failed got bailed out and then cut a large chuck of open credit card credit in this country. Which was probably the biggest hit to my industry.
Walmart paying their employees so little that it costs us the tax payer about 400k per store talk about a welfare queen. I respect the ceo of costco when wall st tried to put pressure on him to lower the wages he paid his employees because it wasnt in line with what retail paid and he basically said fuck you.

baddog

Paul, you're an idiot; Minte is too nice, so I'll say it: Go fuckyuorself hard.

Minte

For the first time, I did decide to use the ignore feature and have enjoyed not viewing his posts.
I don't come to GFY to get pissed off. There is enough of that to go around in life. And Paul, likes to go out of his way to piss people off. So it was time to take care of it.

baddog

During an ICQ chat last night it was said, "him and Tony should go into business selling nuts to blind squirrels." The "him" in this case was not Paul, but we could have easily added him to the equation. Either as a substitute or as a trinity.

Sly

Paul just sounds miserable. Always something to complain about.

Kind of sad.

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I wonder if blindnuts.com is available..

tony286

Why do you got to pick on me, do I pick on you? You dont like me ignore me. Thats why they got the function on the forum.

Sly

It's not really picking on you. It's talking about your opinions. Making fun of, even.

You don't like people commenting on your opinions, don't share them.

I know many people don't like mine. I don't care. That's why they are my opinions. :-)

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Paul Markham

I feel that taking away food stamps from those that need it, shouldn't be posting how he helped distribute cookies.

To me it sounds hypocritical.

Sorry if you don't think so.

No Sly not sad. Just pointing out his contrary values. Still he got to feel good giving out all those cookies while driving around the factory in his gold cart.

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baddog

Paul, did I forget to mention that you are an idiot? Taking away food stamps from those that need them, indeed.

Why did you have to flee England? Were they going to lock you up for your own protection?

baddog

Was I talking to you? Put me on ignore if you don't want to read my opinion. Besides, who said I was the one that made the comment?

jimmy-3-way

To be fair, if he really had a gold cart, that WOULD be kinda douchey.

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say that in Larry Flynts face

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Twenty one people on staff at two different business. Then my wife, myself, and my child.

We also provide health care for two of my cousins. One of the businesses is family owned, and one of the things we decided when the company was founded was that we would take care of two family members if possible. Their father - my brother in law - died when they were kids, and we provide them with healthcare and helped to put them through college.

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As long as Americans have to deal with the Fed it won't matter what party is in place. You will be chasing debt forever. That is the plan.

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Minte

Damn, I had to read that quote.

So, I will say to Mr.Markham

If's a GOLF cart..made by Yamaha. It's electric powered with a fiberglass body.
We have 4 of them.

It's quite simple. Employees do walk to their department and stay there for their shifts. I and the other managers are all over the place. The shop is 12 acres under roof. Walking from the offices to the shipping department takes at least 5 minutes. Do the math, it's quite simple. Managers are the highest overhead of any business. Having them and myself waste time walking this place is not cost effective.

tony286

When I worked for gm, they used golf carts and bicycles the plant was so big.

beemk

My grandpa has worked building skyscrapers. So according to your logic I'm pretty much a licensed structural engineer. You might be fooling yourself into thinking you're anything but a sales rep, but you certainly aren't fooling any of us.

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jimmy-3-way

If I made Minte money I'd have a gold cart!! And I'd hire a hot chick to drive me around in as I threw snacks at my employees and shouted, "Eat it up, moochers, eat it up."

Does anyone recall what tech company it was where the CEO had a PA installed in the building and each day would single out one employee to personally insult as "motivation"?

The guy was famous in the early 90's for bilking VCs...

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Paul Markham

You really don't get it do you. It's not about you using them for business.

You thought one of the cuts could be food stamps. Stated that people used them to buy drugs. When I looked up the truth, it was 2% who were thought to do this. You wanted to cut the whole program.

Now you're on here boasting about riding around the factory on golf carts and giving out cookies to the staff. If you can't see the hypocrisy, that's your problem. I see it. Try thinking about it. The clue is in the bold part.

Did you see Romney increased taxes when he was Governor? What's your thought on that, as he could of done the same as President. And please don't insult everyone intelligence with his promises. We all know how long they last.

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fiscal cliff is coming.

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The "Fiscal Cliff" sounds so ominous...but in my opinion it would be the thing that needs to be done.

They named it that to scare people. But all it really means is that automatic spending cuts will happen across the board if Congress doesn't do the cutting itself.

So all the different crooks...er, I mean politicians in Washington are scrambling to save the funds that go to their pet projects.

The "Fiscal Cliff" doesn't mean anything except reduced spending. And that is a good thing.
And the Dems don't want it because it affects their social spending. And the Repubs don't want it because it affects military spending.

And the reality is that BOTH need to be cut.

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Minte

To take a break in the discussion,,,it's time for those golf carts!

Penny24Seven

Here is dumb ass paul once again trying his hardest to find the bad in anything he can because he is so fucking perfect LOL of all the shit it is the golf carts hahaha. No matter what thread or topic he is a bitter pile of shit just trying to bring people down to his level, just reading the thread for the hell of it and seeing him back in action is funny enough.

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epitome

I still can't get over 12 acres under roof. As a kid I used to cut our two acres and it took me 4 hours on the riding tractor. Multiply that by six and I can't even fathom it really.

epitome

Yeah part of that team. Not scared. Nor are most people I know.

jimmy-3-way

So, as an employer would it be legal or illegal to frown upon bras in the workplace? Because more than tax policy I think that would influence my hiring decisions.

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Sly

Have you ever been in a factory?

I would not be encouraging a "no bra" policy.

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And this is what I never understand. Bush gets a complete pass by the Republicans for shitting all over the floor, but Obama gets the blame for not pushing the mop fast enough.

jimmy-3-way

I was thinking secretary...

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epitome

Agreed. The hotties are usually kept in the office.

hineken

a secretary is needed

Minte

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