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Old 02-14-2003, 05:47 PM   #51
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:49 PM   #52
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Aaron , my attorney told me to take you to small claims on the obvious lack of written 'special circumstances' kill fees in a written contract. Its simple contract law and Im sure your attorney knows that. I never will and never had the intent to ever sue you for posts on GFY , all I wanted to do was try and get you into a Rory and Aaron discussion , and it wasnt working with these boards. I am waiting for the day we can just put all of this mess behind us , as I hold no personal grudges towards you or your business , but the fact is your business owes mine $750. If you honestly wanna go to court over an obvioulsy cut and dry contract case then please shoot me an icq or email at rory at newoutbreakmedia.com and we can get the small claims paperwork rolling. I don't wanna go to court, you don't wanna go to court , and seriously talk to your lawyer about the contract law governing you and the lack of a written contract describing such kill fees before you request we go to court with this. If you want to talk about this in private im pretty sure you have my phone number and email address and icq number .... lets talk and work out a deal with this $750. You are also always welcome to contact Peter (the lawyer) as well, he is honestly a really nice guy and he will talk to you if you dont wanna talk to me as well.

LMFAO!

You do not have a case and you know it. I am not afraid of going to court...Small claims or otherwise. Why in the blie hell would an attorney suggest small claims court if you have such a cut and dry case?

BTW... I am sure you know that my attorney did a little research on your attorney. (my daddy is bigger than your daddy)

Fuck off.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:50 PM   #53
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"Aaron you know my family. You know that me and my brother are going through business BS right now. You could have stayed out of it , and you can deny it all you want but going to my former company after we have a dispute and making shit up is chickenshit, and the fact that you know that the more shit you stir up there is the more shit that is stirred up between me and my brother. Just stay the fuck out of it was all I wanted , but you want to pursue getting involved with my family legal disputes than I will be upset. This is well beyond board shit, this has taken to you saying shit that is fucking with a family issue man. I hope that all of you supporting Aaron on this shit has something like this happen to you, when shit some guy says effects your relationship with your family then tell me Iam out of line, but until then fuck off. "

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Really now? FYI...Your old company came to me and asked me what I know. If you are feeling guilty about your problem, look inside yourself instead of blaming me.

Why is it that your brother and old business partners would have it out for you so bad? I have not lost ANY of my family over my actions. I guess they ard I are all wrong huh?

EVERYTHING you have said is bullshit Rory. You have not called or sent me any letters other than a C&D. The C&D stated that you would drop the issue if I discontinued attacking you. I have done that. You are the one who keeps bringing it up.

Fuck off and die.

And again I say...Put up or shut up.
You are misinformed. If they had such a great case against me then why would their attorney have told them they dont have a chance in hell. Thats not the issue, the issue is that you willingly pursued brewing up shit between me and my bro because you wree pissed about this GFY shit. If you say its pure coincidence like everything else that you dont like , then isn't it ironic that the dates seemed to match right up after we had a pissing match on GFY? Must be coincidence considering I had seperated from my business several months before and these supposed thing we talked about happened 'months before'. If you weren't doing it just to try and make my life miserable cause you didnt like the fact that I discussed an unresolved business issue on GFY, then wouldnt you have had those things to say 'months before' too? I dunno , your friends here can say that its all me, but I sure think that logical people usually deduce handfuls of coincidences to something being a bit fishy, I sure do.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:53 PM   #54
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LMFAO!

You do not have a case and you know it. I am not afraid of going to court...Small claims or otherwise. Why in the blie hell would an attorney suggest small claims court if you have such a cut and dry case?

BTW... I am sure you know that my attorney did a little research on your attorney. (my daddy is bigger than your daddy)

Fuck off.
Thats fine man, lets fuckin spend more money and hammer this out in small claims court. I future and past customers of yours (board friend or not) see how you resolve your business. Fuckin take me to court.

Do research Johhny Cochrane, Iam taking you to small claims court for a cut and dry contract violation, its not going to be broacast on CourtTV dude. Also can you let me know a good time to send someone with the papers if you are so gung-ho on court ..... it costs $30 to have the sheriff drive them out.

This is fucking stupid dude, lets go to court ... fun fun.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:54 PM   #55
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Then why dont you say 'that date' .... Aaron you know that you dont want to commit to dates because if they are wrong that kinda puts you up the creek. I don't care anymore , but if you want me to believe your 'Rory flaked case' then shouldnt you tell him when he flaked? Ill give you a hint on the date of the check, its on the check , go look at it.
WTF? Yeah.. I have the check sitting here....I CASHED THE CHECK. You have it. All I would have to do is pull my checkbook out of the safe and chech the dates. Why should I? It is none of your fucking business. I could have used the money to get my ass waxed and it would be none of your concern. You told me to keep the $750. Get over it.

I did not look at the date on the check. It could say December for all I know. I do not give a fuck either. The deal was you would have shit to me on July 15th. You did not. You lose.

Put up or shut up.
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:55 PM   #56
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This is the problem. First off let me start by saying, I dont know either man.

First you are talking a $5000 a deal and there is no contract? We are not the jews in the diamond district. Our Business has to grow up and do business like adults. Adults create contracts and MOU's so none of this bullshit happens.

Also someone radically changes the amount of the deal and that doesnt throw up a red flag for you?

Also the few times I shoot content for someone else I pay the models myself and shoot them(models are too hard to come by to piss them off) If the client flakes or disappears I can sell the content to others or use it for myself. My wife shot for a photographer who shoots for about 40 different publications, including all the hooters stuff. A very nice man let me hangout. He told me sometimes a magazine will tell him to shoot a girl, he shoots the girl pays her out of his own pocket and the magazine will reject the photographs and he has to sell them to someone else to get back his money. If there was a written agreement none of this would of happened. If they are afraid to sign the deal is not real anyway. lol
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:58 PM   #57
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You are misinformed. If they had such a great case against me then why would their attorney have told them they dont have a chance in hell. Thats not the issue, the issue is that you willingly pursued brewing up shit between me and my bro because you wree pissed about this GFY shit. If you say its pure coincidence like everything else that you dont like , then isn't it ironic that the dates seemed to match right up after we had a pissing match on GFY? Must be coincidence considering I had seperated from my business several months before and these supposed thing we talked about happened 'months before'. If you weren't doing it just to try and make my life miserable cause you didnt like the fact that I discussed an unresolved business issue on GFY, then wouldnt you have had those things to say 'months before' too? I dunno , your friends here can say that its all me, but I sure think that logical people usually deduce handfuls of coincidences to something being a bit fishy, I sure do.
Get it through your fat head....

I was ASKED to give out any and all FACTS that I had about this case. I did just that. Why did your attorney not contact me about the facts? Because you knew better than to suggest he do that. Would you like me to post those facts here? They are a matter of public record are they not?
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Old 02-14-2003, 05:59 PM   #58
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Also can you let me know a good time to send someone with the papers if you are so gung-ho on court ..... it costs $30 to have the sheriff drive them out.
Uh oh...Now what? Do you need to borrow $30 bucks bro?
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Old 02-14-2003, 06:01 PM   #59
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This is the problem. First off let me start by saying, I dont know either man.

First you are talking a $5000 a deal and there is no contract? We are not the jews in the diamond district. Our Business has to grow up and do business like adults. Adults create contracts and MOU's so none of this bullshit happens.

Also someone radically changes the amount of the deal and that doesnt throw up a red flag for you?

Also the few times I shoot content for someone else I pay the models myself and shoot them(models are too hard to come by to piss them off) If the client flakes or disappears I can sell the content to others or use it for myself. My wife shot for a photographer who shoots for about 40 different publications, including all the hooters stuff. A very nice man let me hangout. He told me sometimes a magazine will tell him to shoot a girl, he shoots the girl pays her out of his own pocket and the magazine will reject the photographs and he has to sell them to someone else to get back his money. If there was a written agreement none of this would of happened. If they are afraid to sign the deal is not real anyway. lol

Rory specifically said he did not want a written agreement. I suggested it since I had one with his prior company.

As far as shooting the content...The chances of ANYBODY else wanting that is VERY slim.
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Ok! This settles it! AFTER I get back from getting my tattoo colored in, I am coming back, popping up some popcorn and watching this thread.

Rory, you show your ignorance with each post.
You whine like a girl, dude! YOU wanted a verbal agreement, you got one. Even *I* know to get shit in writing where money is concerned and I am a CAM GIRL!

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Rory specifically said he did not want a written agreement. I suggested it since I had one with his prior company.

As far as shooting the content...The chances of ANYBODY else wanting that is VERY slim.
And yes... A red flag did go up but since we had done a lot of business and he was promising more in the future...I overlooked it. These are the same reasons I agreed to shoot the content for half of what I should have been charging.
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If he didnt want paperwork that was a signal. Never do a deal that could cost you money without a contract. (I want you to write that 500x lol)

Off the subject like your site nice content going to tell my wife (the boss) to check it we are buying some for one site that I dont have time to shoot for
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This is the problem. First off let me start by saying, I dont know either man.

First you are talking a $5000 a deal and there is no contract? We are not the jews in the diamond district. Our Business has to grow up and do business like adults. Adults create contracts and MOU's so none of this bullshit happens.

Also someone radically changes the amount of the deal and that doesnt throw up a red flag for you?

Also the few times I shoot content for someone else I pay the models myself and shoot them(models are too hard to come by to piss them off) If the client flakes or disappears I can sell the content to others or use it for myself. My wife shot for a photographer who shoots for about 40 different publications, including all the hooters stuff. A very nice man let me hangout. He told me sometimes a magazine will tell him to shoot a girl, he shoots the girl pays her out of his own pocket and the magazine will reject the photographs and he has to sell them to someone else to get back his money. If there was a written agreement none of this would of happened. If they are afraid to sign the deal is not real anyway. lol
I dont know why this seems to fall on my shoulders that I dint create a contract. Granted I know I should have , but I had already done several thousands of dollars of business with him. I don't know how he operates his business , if he requires contracts and what not before and kill fees , then he should have given me the contract to sign. I don't think there are too many webmasters that buy content that are expected write upand send the producer a contract , usually its the other way around. I had no idea he hated me so much and didnt wanna shoot the content, he seemed very willing and ready to when he took the check.

I dunno man I guess its my fault for expecting to get either content or my money back. If I was such a flake and caused him such hardship then why did he take the equipment at all ...... its caca. He decided that he didnt wanna do the content after he called me and asked for $3000 , and I said I wasnt going to pay him to do more shoots if he had done 0 with the $2000. He had just gotten back from Miama WM convention and didn't have that $2000 anymore. I didnt enetr into all these supposed verbal contracts and what not ... I asked the guy to shoot some porno for me ... he said it will cost you this much .. I said I will pay you this much ... he said OK and took my money and did no shoots. I apparently flaked somewhere in there yet he refuses to tell me when I was supposed to do what. I mean its really simple as that , He content producer , I asked him to shoot content, he agreed and took the money , then decided to different stipulations to some verbal contract and deduces that I gave him $750 by asking him to send me as much of a potion as he could. I dont see how this is that complicated ....... oh well I guess I have to spend more money and take him to court , which is a stupid solution for everyone.

I hold no hard feeling against aaron , and this is the last I will post about it. I guess I will post the verdict of small claims judge cause I imagine there will be great reasons why it was my fault that the judge doesnt care about GFY jurys.
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Rory specifically said he did not want a written agreement. I suggested it since I had one with his prior company.

As far as shooting the content...The chances of ANYBODY else wanting that is VERY slim.
Wtf , why would I suggest to not have a written contract. Thats almost as bad as me apparently saying that I dont do good with my money so I actually gave you the $2000 to hold for me. Im done ... lets go to court and you have some guy decide. Why dont you go ahead and dig up more personal shit .... I mean after all since your insecure-pals are with you it must be the cool thing to post shit about my personal life. Right up your scumbag alley.

And for everyone on this board, I sure do hope that you have an issue like this happen to you. I hope you piss off the next guy like Aaron who likes to dig into your personal life and post it for us all to see and laugh at. Chickenshit stupid message board politics ..... and fuck off .... just hope that someone that is mad at you doesnt dig into your past Aaron, or anyone else for that matter. I have nothing to hide yet I someohow feel the need to defend myself on these boards ........ that is stupid of me, but one some fuck gets involved in your family disputes you'll be just as upset. Hypocrites
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Wtf , why would I suggest to not have a written contract. Thats almost as bad as me apparently saying that I dont do good with my money so I actually gave you the $2000 to hold for me. Im done ... lets go to court and you have some guy decide. Why dont you go ahead and dig up more personal shit .... I mean after all since your insecure-pals are with you it must be the cool thing to post shit about my personal life. Right up your scumbag alley.

And for everyone on this board, I sure do hope that you have an issue like this happen to you. I hope you piss off the next guy like Aaron who likes to dig into your personal life and post it for us all to see and laugh at. Chickenshit stupid message board politics ..... and fuck off .... just hope that someone that is mad at you doesnt dig into your past Aaron, or anyone else for that matter. I have nothing to hide yet I someohow feel the need to defend myself on these boards ........ that is stupid of me, but one some fuck gets involved in your family disputes you'll be just as upset. Hypocrites


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Get it through your fat head....

I was ASKED to give out any and all FACTS that I had about this case. I did just that. Why did your attorney not contact me about the facts? Because you knew better than to suggest he do that. Would you like me to post those facts here? They are a matter of public record are they not?
I didn't become aware of the situation (as they didnt send me any letter cause I think their attorney said its not worth it) until Jan. There lawyer made mention of it on a different matter (basically he was developing what history he had with Premier). This is what their lawyer sent me ....

"My cleintss complaint, briefly, was that after the separation your client told Aaron Matthews that Matthews might not want to continue to do business with PIV, and your client supported his recommendation by stating or implying that PIV's principals wree incompetent, lacked technical knowledge, and stability (without his involvment) there was no one left at PIV who knew what they were doing or had what it took to operate successfully. (Prior to the seperation Maththews had suppied adult content that PIV used.) My clients believe that after your clients derogatory statements about them, PIV's ongoing discussions with Mr. Mathews (about increasing his supply of content to PIV) suffered, thereby resulting in a diminution of profits that PIV otherwise would have achieved."

This isnt you just happening to get a call from someones attorney. You are trying to fuck with me , thats fine man , but don;t be a fuckin hypocrite pussy and say that O this Rory guy is being such as ass.

You know God Damn well when the PIV contract with you was terminated .... and you know god damn well that it was before the seperation agreement with my former company. You have brewed this issue because of things that have happened with us. Ya Iam pissed about this whole thing, ya I fuckin post too much, ya Iam whining but you would be too if this shit was going on in your life. This guy is pissed that I made a post on GFY about him owing me money and has made posted shit about my program, bewed up shit with my bro enough that they felt the need to see there attorney about it... bleh fuck off ....... I dunno who Iam trying to justify this too , Iam just whining after all so stop reading this thread ..... but if you have read this far know that Aaron has done this because I flaked apparebtly on shoots , and then asked for my money back. Go ahead and do business with a guy who is going to take your money until 'you flake'.
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And aaron for you ... if you want to handle your shit like a man quit and be a bitch about it quit running when confronted. You cowered down like the piece of shit fat pussy that you are when I went to pick up my equipment. Your nothing but a gutless piece of shit that has a hardon for industry events and brags about getting layed by hot chicks even though you pay to play. Real pimp bro ..... pay to get laid ..... fucking spineless pussy.
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Aaron , my attorney told me to take you to small claims on the obvious lack of written 'special circumstances' kill fees in a written contract. Its simple contract law and Im sure your attorney knows that. I never will and never had the intent to ever sue you for posts on GFY , all I wanted to do was try and get you into a Rory and Aaron discussion , and it wasnt working with these boards. I am waiting for the day we can just put all of this mess behind us , as I hold no personal grudges towards you or your business , but the fact is your business owes mine $750. If you honestly wanna go to court over an obvioulsy cut and dry contract case then please shoot me an icq or email at rory at newoutbreakmedia.com and we can get the small claims paperwork rolling. I don't wanna go to court, you don't wanna go to court , and seriously talk to your lawyer about the contract law governing you and the lack of a written contract describing such kill fees before you request we go to court with this. If you want to talk about this in private im pretty sure you have my phone number and email address and icq number .... lets talk and work out a deal with this $750. You are also always welcome to contact Peter (the lawyer) as well, he is honestly a really nice guy and he will talk to you if you dont wanna talk to me as well.
In court what is going to be your explanation for agreeing that AaronM could keep the $750.00 for his losses, trouble or whatever and agreed to accept $1250.00. The thread/threads exist as proof of your agreement.
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And to all you people whining .. shut the hell up... you come to GFY cause of the drama dont start bithcing when you get it.

And Aaron, Iam pretty disppointed in your efforts, I mean after all this is your game ... GFY is all you are. I thought at least you would have come up with something other than supposed stipulations to a verbal contract that really consisted of few luch/dinners and a I want this content for that price. You took the money and were happy with the verbal contract then , if you had stipulations such as kill fees and what not I have a right to be aware of those before I give you my money, not after. In this whole fucking drama , I haven't eaten at BK since, you have said shown nothing other than .... "this is what he said in a verbal contract that only Aaron and Rory heard." , I on the other hand have produced numerous amounts of evidence including audio tapes , receipts, etc. proving my case. Your best attempt was to have your board-pal admin delete a thread cause you didnt like looking like a crook since you changed your story. (I dont think you ever came out with a good excuse for why you had the thread deleted though). I have clearly beaten you at your own game like the fat bastard you are sitting there in your own filth. Boneprone told me that you had skills , guess he overestimated you a bit. You aint shit.....

God damn you boneprone ..... I dont even like whoppers.
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In court what is going to be your explanation for agreeing that AaronM could keep the $750.00 for his losses, trouble or whatever and agreed to accept $1250.00. The thread/threads exist as proof of your agreement.
Show me this supposed thread or anything that says Iam giving him that $750? I never said that. I did accect a portion of my deposit money several months after Aaron terminated the contract. Explain to a judge how that means that I have given him money. What Aaron posted was a quote of me saying I disagreed with his kill fees but realized that he was going to add some to some invoice, but I was in so cal at the time shooting and I needed the money. He told me $1250 or $0 , by no means is that me giving him $750, and I think a judge would see the same way if you brought him an out of context quote that says that on a board called GoFuckYourself. He has no legal right to withold that money(according to contract law that clearly states that such deductions must be stated clearly in a WRITTEN (not verbal) contract. Since I bet it isnt the first time that someone has tried to go to court with a purely 'well he said I could keep all the money' verbal contract, thats why they clearly state in the law that those types of deductions must be written. Both of our faults for not getting a written contract, but that doesnt change the fact that law says those types of deductions must be in a written contract. Its not my opinion , its the law , check it out if you don't believe me.
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Old 02-14-2003, 07:06 PM   #73
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um............why doesn't this go to small claims court? it's not going to get settled ever on GFY. It would be an interesting case, don't know all the facts so have no idea who would win.


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Old 02-14-2003, 08:45 PM   #75
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I see I madeit back in time for more drama...Go Aaron, go Aaron, it's your birthday, go Aaron!

Rory...I MIGHT have some spare Kleenex for you...
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Old 02-14-2003, 11:38 PM   #76
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Show me this supposed thread or anything that says Iam giving him that $750? I never said that. I did accect a portion of my deposit money several months after Aaron terminated the contract. Explain to a judge how that means that I have given him money. What Aaron posted was a quote of me saying I disagreed with his kill fees but realized that he was going to add some to some invoice, but I was in so cal at the time shooting and I needed the money. He told me $1250 or $0 , by no means is that me giving him $750, and I think a judge would see the same way if you brought him an out of context quote that says that on a board called GoFuckYourself. He has no legal right to withold that money(according to contract law that clearly states that such deductions must be stated clearly in a WRITTEN (not verbal) contract. Since I bet it isnt the first time that someone has tried to go to court with a purely 'well he said I could keep all the money' verbal contract, thats why they clearly state in the law that those types of deductions must be written. Both of our faults for not getting a written contract, but that doesnt change the fact that law says those types of deductions must be in a written contract. Its not my opinion , its the law , check it out if you don't believe me.
So let me get this straight....In your odd little world...You ask people to invoice you for something that you intend to get the money back for at a later time? Interesting.

Explain this, oh perfect one....Why did you not request an invoice for ANY of the other business we did, only for the kill fees that you are now claiming that you never intended to pay out on? I find that a little odd.
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Old 02-15-2003, 12:26 AM   #79
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I heard you were giving it away, $10 a pop........
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I heard you were giving it away, $10 a pop........
You fuckers always get shit backwards. He PAID me $10 to pop his cherry.
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