The real reason the porn biz in in the shitter

[halfpint]

The real reason is the state of the economy plain and simple ... If you think its just porn thats suffering its not. I work in sales and recruitment and our sales for this year has dropped dramatically compared to even last year.
Our top recruiters are finding things very hard, Some guys who were earning 70k + GBP a year have seen thier wages fall to half of what they were earning a year ago. We talk to a lot other businesses in mainstream who do not do biz online and are also having a hard time keeping afloat and some of these guys have owned a business for over 15 years. So you can blame it on the tubes and copyright or other stuff as much as you like its not gonna change anytime soon until the economy gets back to where it was 3 years ago, which is not gonna happen anytime soon.

[CurrentlySober]

i cant afford a shitter...

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i cant afford a shitter...

And halfpint can't afford a clue.

It is all about the tubes.

The economy will never get better, but porn has always sold, even when the economy was in the shitter... until now that is
.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

And halfpint can't afford a clue.

It is all about the tubes.

The economy will never get better, but porn has always sold, even when the economy was in the shitter... until now that is
.

Pigshit ( I love that word) If people are stuggling to live, do you really think they are gonna spend money on porn ?, get a fucking clue the world economy is well and trully fucked.. and its not like the 80s recession we had this is so much worse, if you speak to people outside of porn, sales have dropped people are struggling, blaming it soley on tubes is retarded.

[CurrentlySober]

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19204549&postcount=61

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by halfpint

The real reason is the state of the economy plain and simple ... If you think its just porn thats suffering its not. I work in sales and recruitment and our sales for this year has dropped dramatically compared to even last year.
Our top recruiters are finding things very hard, Some guys who were earning 70k + GBP a year have seen thier wages fall to half of what they were earning a year ago. We talk to a lot other businesses in mainstream who do not do biz online and are also having a hard time keeping afloat and some of these guys have owned a business for over 15 years. So you can blame it on the tubes and copyright or other stuff as much as you like its not gonna change anytime soon until the economy gets back to where it was 3 years ago, which is not gonna happen anytime soon.

I work for a small software company and we're turning clients away due to the fact we can't support so many. We had problems in 2009 for about 6 months mostly due to the credit market locking up.

The only business sectors that are in the shitter are the stuff the only blooms in times of excess. Companies that vulture in recessions are doing very well. Payday loans of example. I also know people making bank in PPI claims (that won't last long though).

Porn is an excess. An unnecessary form of entertainment. So when you reshuffle your finances, porn will be the first to go. Alongside cable TV, a mobile phone etc.

Not that I'm complaining. The economy is good for me. I'm earning more than ever doing as little work as ever. My phone doesn't stop ringing with job offers. I've had to blank my phone details off my CV.

[NeophyteUK]

This recession is fucking everything, completely agree, the population is getting wise to ways it can save money, cut corners, everyone is thinking about the last penny, whether they are skint or not, the rich want to make the same margins they're used to, the poor are poorer - everyone is looking for freebies. Look at the mainstream companies doing well (in the UK at least) - Poundland, TopCashback, MoneySavingExpert (Massively popular), the holiday trade suffered massively this year because for the third year in a row people didn't have an additional £500, year 1 they spent that on a holiday, year 2 a tv because it broke, year 3 (this year) that £500 is more precious than anything, and the car just failed its MOT because you haven't spent anything on it in three years... what do you spend your money on?

I'm not saying the free tubes aren't hurting it further, but this is a fucked recession as bad as the 30's not comparable to the 80's, it's not ALL about the tubes.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by mafia_man

I work for a small software company and we're turning clients away due to the fact we can't support so many. We had problems in 2009 for about 6 months mostly due to the credit market locking up.

The only business sectors that are in the shitter are the stuff the only blooms in times of excess. Companies that vulture in recessions are doing very well. Payday loans of example. I also know people making bank in PPI claims (that won't last long though).

Porn is an excess. An unnecessary form of entertainment. So when you reshuffle your finances, porn will be the first to go. Alongside cable TV, a mobile phone etc.

Not that I'm complaining. The economy is good for me. I'm earning more than ever doing as little work as ever. My phone doesn't stop ringing with job offers. I've had to blank my phone details off my CV.

+1 and yep things like those payday loans are doing well and there are a lot who are now doing affiliate programs for them

Originally Posted by NeophyteUK

This recession is fucking everything, completely agree, the population is getting wise to ways it can save money, cut corners, everyone is thinking about the last penny, whether they are skint or not, the rich want to make the same margins they're used to, the poor are poorer - everyone is looking for freebies. Look at the mainstream companies doing well (in the UK at least) - Poundland, TopCashback, MoneySavingExpert (Massively popular), the holiday trade suffered massively this year because for the third year in a row people didn't have an additional £500, year 1 they spent that on a holiday, year 2 a tv because it broke, year 3 (this year) that £500 is more precious than anything, and the car just failed its MOT because you haven't spent anything on it in three years... what do you spend your money on?

I'm not saying the free tubes aren't hurting it further, but this is a fucked recession as bad as the 30's not comparable to the 80's, it's not ALL about the tubes.

I aggree I think when you work out of porn as well, it gives you a much broader view on just how bad the economy really is and yes tubes and copyright dont help but they are not the cause of the downfall of porn. If the economy ever gets back to how it was then paysites will do a lot better once again.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19204549&postcount=61

Free has always sold, the supermarkets do it all the time whether its a "buy one get one free" it doesent mean that everybody will buy that product just to get a free one though.

Sure you can go to any tube and see a whole bunch of movies for free but that does not mean they have the movies you want to see to jerk off to. Take youtbe for instance singers put their songs on YT for free but still make sales from Itunes or other sources when they can be so easly ripped from YT.

Somebody might give me a free porn dvd but that dosent mean I am going to jerk off to it or even like it, as it might not be something I get off on.

[sojproductions]

For a large part I agree, but I also agree that porn survived a lot longer, imo the recession has been going on a lot longer than 3 years, a lot longer. But it did catch up with us 18 months ago when we started seeing a decline, now we get dozens of 'i'll join when i can afford it' emails to our models every week.

People are prepared to pay for the porn they want and the quality they want, but for now, a large majority will 'make do' with tubes until they are a bit more affluent again, so yes tubes are hurting, but I never believed they were the cause of collapse, they are more an enabler.

[VenusBlogger]

porn bad?

But CamBoss claims to earn 15K per month and do millions in the last years...

im confused...

.... ?

[NeophyteUK]

Not saying dead, but definitely harder than it has been.

CamBoss may have used to have done 30k per month.. it's all relative you know?

Originally Posted by VenusBlogger

porn bad?

But CamBoss claims to earn 15K per month and do millions in the last years...

im confused...

.... ?

[NeophyteUK]

Exactly. Well said. It's like holidays/cars/In Home Entertainment, it can hold out, but it's not endless, at some point people say, oh it still hasn't got any better, I'd better reevaluate where I spend my next paycheck, or where can I make savings this month so I can afford holiday, or afford birthday present or whatever, it's each consequence having a knock on effect.

Originally Posted by sojproductions

For a large part I agree, but I also agree that porn survived a lot longer, imo the recession has been going on a lot longer than 3 years, a lot longer. But it did catch up with us 18 months ago when we started seeing a decline, now we get dozens of 'i'll join when i can afford it' emails to our models every week.

People are prepared to pay for the porn they want and the quality they want, but for now, a large majority will 'make do' with tubes until they are a bit more affluent again, so yes tubes are hurting, but I never believed they were the cause of collapse, they are more an enabler.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Pigshit ( I love that word) If people are stuggling to live, do you really think they are gonna spend money on porn ?, get a fucking clue the world economy is well and trully fucked.. and its not like the 80s recession we had this is so much worse, if you speak to people outside of porn, sales have dropped people are struggling, blaming it soley on tubes is retarded.

No, but its the people who were in there 20's in the 80's who have fucked up the economy, there kids and the world

[signupdamnit]

The bad economy is part of it. But piracy is at least 60% of the problem as it concerns this industry. Anyone who disagrees that it isn't at least 40% of the problem either isn't being reasonable or hasn't been around the industry long enough to judge.

While you are here may I ask why in the last month or two you suddenly became a sort of piracy apologist and pro-Manwin? Did they offer to buy your sig or something? Just curious because I never noticed that from you before.

[brassmonkey]

the collapse of epass fucked a lot of sponsors. look how many were sold after that

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

the collapse of epass fucked a lot of sponsors. look how many were sold after that

I agree 100%

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

porn has always sold, even when the economy was in the shitter.

Not this old one again.

[Socks]

Costs rising, salaries stagnant for years, companies are hiring 3x the number of people so they can all be part time and cost the company less, pushing people towards retirement faster, credit tightening, there's a lot of factors at play and not many of them seem positive for the economy.

But still I think the biggest problem this industry faces is convincing users that porn is worth money again. They see it as a free commodity now.

[Major (Tom)]

We've had our best month in Aug. Had a few days 400+ sales.
Make a product people need.
ds

[nikki99]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We've had our best month in Aug. Had a few days 400+ sales.
Make a product people need.
ds

we all need more facial abuse

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by nikki99

we all need more facial abuse

true!
ds

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by Socks

Costs rising, salaries stagnant for years, companies are hiring 3x the number of people so they can all be part time and cost the company less, pushing people towards retirement faster, credit tightening, there's a lot of factors at play and not many of them seem positive for the economy.

But still I think the biggest problem this industry faces is convincing users that porn is worth money again. They see it as a free commodity now.

I logged into a non porn forum a couple days ago. Someone was asking where to buy porn from abroad? They are outside US and EU. The entire thread replies were like, "how quaint, a buyer", "you're so 1992", "are there places to BUY porn?"

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

I logged into a non porn forum a couple days ago. Someone was asking where to buy porn from abroad? They are outside US and EU. The entire thread replies were like, "how quaint, a buyer", "you're so 1992", "are there places to BUY porn?"

The word "porn" I would conjecture is the type of crap brazzers films. Typical fake tit whore, in a mansion, abstract art on the walls. Those people are just people who aren't picky and are looking to spank to anything. This guy is looking to buy real porn.
ds

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Socks

Costs rising, salaries stagnant for years, companies are hiring 3x the number of people so they can all be part time and cost the company less, pushing people towards retirement faster, credit tightening, there's a lot of factors at play and not many of them seem positive for the economy.

[ruff]

Porn is about jacking off. Once the surfer has spanked the monkey, he is basically done for the day. There is too much free porn now. The tubes carry full length movies, scrappers are free, end of story.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

The word "porn" I would conjecture is the type of crap brazzers films. Typical fake tit whore, in a mansion, abstract art on the walls. Those people are just people who aren't picky and are looking to spank to anything. This guy is looking to buy real porn.
ds

You pretty much nailed it. I did a sideways pitch and will check to see if post is still up. lol.

I think the word free gives some people a boner. The fact there are people having sex in the videos is a bonus.

[Captain Kawaii]

Originally Posted by halfpint

The real reason is the state of the economy plain and simple ... If you think its just porn thats suffering its not. I work in sales and recruitment and our sales for this year has dropped dramatically compared to even last year.
Our top recruiters are finding things very hard, Some guys who were earning 70k + GBP a year have seen thier wages fall to half of what they were earning a year ago. We talk to a lot other businesses in mainstream who do not do biz online and are also having a hard time keeping afloat and some of these guys have owned a business for over 15 years. So you can blame it on the tubes and copyright or other stuff as much as you like its not gonna change anytime soon until the economy gets back to where it was 3 years ago, which is not gonna happen anytime soon.

You are correct. People are very uneasy about their futures and their disposable income. And since I discovered chaturbate...fuck, game over.

[thickcash_amo]

Originally Posted by Socks

Costs rising, salaries stagnant for years, companies are hiring 3x the number of people so they can all be part time and cost the company less, pushing people towards retirement faster, credit tightening, there's a lot of factors at play and not many of them seem positive for the economy.

But still I think the biggest problem this industry faces is convincing users that porn is worth money again. They see it as a free commodity now.

From a program owners pov I know of a few small to mid size programs doing well or at least have not taken a big hit from tubes, economy, piracy and the like. You'd be surprised at the numbers some smaller programs are making. I've not seen a program who shoots niche and updates frequently take a hit.

[CyberHustler]

I blame the jews

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by CyberHustler

I blame the jews

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We've had our best month in Aug. Had a few days 400+ sales.
Make a product people need.
ds

Well it's easy when you make deals with warez boards.

[SmutHammer]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

The bad economy is part of it. But piracy is at least 60% of the problem as it concerns this industry. Anyone who disagrees that it isn't at least 40% of the problem either isn't being reasonable or hasn't been around the industry long enough to judge.

If it wasn't so easy to find free porn, People would pay for it no matter how broke they are.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Well it's easy when you make deals with warez boards.

Giving warez a bad name.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by mafia_man

Well it's easy when you make deals with warez boards.

You just proved his point. Even the freeloaders will pay for something unique. Those banners wouldn't be there if they weren't producing sales.

Not an endorsement, just stating the obvious.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

If it wasn't so easy to find free porn, People would pay for it no matter how broke they are.

I can't believe people seriously come out with ridiculous shit like that. If people are broke, what they'll pay for is food and rent. Everything else gets cut. Where you get the idea from that porn is like fresh air to people is a mystery.

Anyway, there never has been a time when free porn has not existed and there will never be a time it doesn't exist. So it's a fairly redundant point.

In the glory days of the 90s, people got rich spamming newsgroups. Newsgroups that had thousands of picture sets and video clips, all for free. Websites at the time had a handful of crappy jpegs, often stolen from newsgroups in the first place.

I could never believe anyone would be dumb enough to pay for porn, when there was so much of it available for free. So what was the reason? I think because people (usually wrongly) believed they would get more porn or better porn, and not have to wait for it to be posted.

Free porn is actually the default. It existed online long before anyone decided to try and sell it. The reason why people chose to buy porn in the 90s - because they thought they would get something they couldn't get for free - is the same reason people will buy porn now.

It is admittedly a lot easier for the general idiot to get access to porn these days, thanks to tubes and faster connections, but it doesn't alter the fact that if someone believes that paying gets something better or different than the free alternative, they will pay for it. And there are a lot more general idiots willing to pay now than there were 15 or so years ago.

And remember, while everyone likes free stuff - because why not - most people think there's either a catch with 'free' or that the 'free' version is inferior.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

While you are here may I ask why in the last month or two you suddenly became a sort of piracy apologist and pro-Manwin? Did they offer to buy your sig or something? Just curious because I never noticed that from you before.

I am not pro piracy at all but I have been hearing the same old shit about tubes, copyright infringment and manwin fucking up the adult industry since 2007 and people seem to think that by geting rid of tubes, copyright and manwin will make conversions better again which wont happen.

I know some people are making bank from taking down copyrighted content and good on them for doing so, but to think conversions will get back to the way they were in 1999 is just plain stupid. If the economy tanks so do many other things which are not essential for everyday living, one of those being porn. I do not work for manwin and they have not offered to buy my sig or anything else I just think Fabian is very smart when it comes to biz which gets up a lot of peoples noses.

[mafia_man]

Originally Posted by epitome

You just proved his point. Even the freeloaders will pay for something unique. Those banners wouldn't be there if they weren't producing sales.

Not an endorsement, just stating the obvious.

Those banners are to the detriment of all the other content on the board.

Last time I looked they cut the membership price on that site in order to get people to pay. My guess though is that this isn't producing as many sales as standard traffic.

Anyway point being is they are propping up this warez forum.

[Pierre Djurberg]

Well i think it will allways be money in porn, we just have to adapt

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by Pierre Djurberg

Well i think it will allways be money in porn, we just have to adapt

There is more money than ever in the porn business. It just changed where it goes to. I don't understand why people still can't see that.

[Dirty F]

Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

We've had our best month in Aug. Had a few days 400+ sales.
Make a product people need.
ds

Isn't that weird. People here cry every day about how there is no more money in porn.

[grumpy]

learn to adept

[Paul Markham]

Porn is in the shitter because you guys don't get how to market porn.

1. Don't give the product away in ever increasing amounts and cost, via over paid, over supported and over cosseted affiliates. While spending the minimum on the product.

2. See 1.

3. See 1.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1082690

I don't put it pretty there.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I can't believe people seriously come out with ridiculous shit like that. If people are broke, what they'll pay for is food and rent. Everything else gets cut.

Utter, total crap. When people are broke, they spend a little on something that makes them feel good. Read up on the lipstick effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_effect

The real reasons porn is not working for many people are:

a) they are stupid and lazy and think doing splogs and banners should be enough to make sales.

b) the public don't trust 'us' because we've done really well teaching them not to trust us, viz: diallers, circle jerks, hidden prechecked cross sales, spamming, card banging, shit content, shit sites, download limiters, content rotation etc etc etc

c) the entire world is in the middle of an economic crisis

[brassmonkey]

face it epass was the best easy way to accept and move cash it was our adult paypal. could you imagine if paypal went the way of epass? google is a big problem and there are more reason that im not willing to say in this thread. like some say adapt or die the answer is there not hard to find.

[Cherry7]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Utter, total crap. When people are broke, they spend a little on something that makes them feel good. Read up on the lipstick effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_effect

The real reasons porn is not working for many people are:

a) they are stupid and lazy and think doing splogs and banners should be enough to make sales.

b) the public don't trust 'us' because we've done really well teaching them not to trust us, viz: diallers, circle jerks, hidden prechecked cross sales, spamming, card banging, shit content, shit sites, download limiters, content rotation etc etc etc

c) the entire world is in the middle of an economic crisis

Not complete crap if you then agree that c) the crisis is to blame.

Porn is not free it is being used to sell other things, gambling, dating, pills

Most porn being of such low cost is easy to give away to make better sales elsewhere.

Traffic is expensive and hard to get so difficult to make a profit producing expensive quality product.

[peterk]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

i cant afford a shitter...

I can afford poo sandwiche

[Lace]

I'm not going to waste much time on this, but I worked in retail for a bit when I took a break from adult alongside a good friend who I've known for years now. It was an electronics store. I cannot tell you how many people came in DAILY to spend thousands of dollars on new TV's, laptops, etc. Sure, it's down, but there was still plenty of people pulling out their cards and cash to buy. Our region was pulling in nearly 500k/day in sales.

Economy is going to down the shitter, but it's the blue-collar, middle income families who suffer the most. If you're smart, you learn to budget, and cut back on the non-essentials in life.

I'll never forget the couple who came in to buy a few TV's, surround sound, TV stand, etc. They filled out a credit application with us, and under their combined income, it stated $40,000/month...yes, 40k a month! It's a shame I was married considering the wife was laying down the flirting like a horny schoolgirl!

All in all, we need to find something new and innovative. The same old thing isn't going to keep selling. You think people would still buy big, heavy, glass TV's? No way in hell. I had a hard time giving mine away for free when it was time! Think about it - what new has come out of adult in the last few years? Absolutely nothing.

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Utter, total crap.

Prove it then. With actual evidence, rather than lazily linking to some vague, inane bullshit on Wikipedia that doesn't even remotely suggest anything about porn sales.

When people are broke, they spend a little on something that makes them feel good. Read up on the lipstick effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipstick_effect

"theory", "rumored", "assumption", "could be", "no clear correlation", "anecdotal", "perceived". Even for a lazy, copy and paste Wikipedia link response that is weak.

The real reasons porn is not working for many people are:

c) the entire world is in the middle of an economic crisis

And yet you believe it's "utter, total crap" that people will stop buying porn because they're broke.

[peterk]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Pigshit ( I love that word) If people are stuggling to live, do you really think they are gonna spend money on porn ?.

not when it's free lololol