Russian attack submarine sailed in Gulf of Mexico undetected for weeks U.S. officials blah blah blah

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/

[RedGlamourStudio]

[helterskelter808]

American troops in Russia and China?

[Rochard]

This article is incorrect and misleading. It says Russian submarine was off the coast of the US in the Gulf Of Mexico without our knowledge. The truth is there was most likely a lot more trips that we just don't know about.

We do it all the time to Russia....

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

American troops in Russia and China?

That map is such fucking bullshit.

[ottopottomouse]

No submarine runs silent. Sounds like the navy going waaaaahhhh! you're taking away some of our budget waaaaahhhh! we won't be able to afford so many toys waaaaahhhh! big bad Russia will kill you while you sleep because we can't protect you without more money and it will serve you right waaaaahhhh!

[BIGTYMER]

It's a shame but I'm more scared of the US than Russia...

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

It's a shame but I'm more scared of the US than Russia...

That map at least highlights who is offensive and who is defensive. History loops the rest into place.
As evenly matched a set of opponents may be, stance matters most.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine

Talk about fucking evenly matched stupidity.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Anyway..

[BIGTYMER]

Google image search for abu ghraib to see how great are military is.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by BIGTYMER

Google image search for abu ghraib to see how great are military is.

And that's just what we found out about. Just think of all the other barbaric shit we don't know about...

[theking]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

http://freebeacon.com/silent-running/

Misinformation purposely leaked to the press.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

No submarine runs silent. Sounds like the navy going waaaaahhhh! you're taking away some of our budget waaaaahhhh! we won't be able to afford so many toys waaaaahhhh! big bad Russia will kill you while you sleep because we can't protect you without more money and it will serve you right waaaaahhhh!

Well, just so you know, you're ignorant.

It isn't that they operate silent, it's that sound underwater doesn't flow in a straight line, knowledge of that can get you past all sorts of detection.

And shit like this could start up a new cold war

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by theking

Misinformation purposely leaked to the press.

Miscreant seeped from an anus.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Well, just so you know, you're ignorant.

It isn't that they operate silent, it's that sound underwater doesn't flow in a straight line, knowledge of that can get you past all sorts of detection.

And shit like this could start up a new cold war

disseminator with the fucking facts.

You guys knows the Russians took Germany's world war II technology while the Americans got the sorry sods "responsible".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine

Talk about fucking evenly matched stupidity.

Truth is the LA class was pretty loud underwater, you should try listening to a diesel boat underwater, it's running on batteries, that's quiet!

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

oh I know the drill, strictly provocation

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

disseminator with the fucking facts.

You guys knows the Russians took Germany's world war II technology while the Americans got the sorry sods "responsible".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

My job in the Navy was knowing the latest on all soviet submarines. I know all about the german subs, our fleet was more advanced, but they had 3 times as many, hell, Disneyland had the 8th largest sub fleet at one time.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I won't pretend to be any expert but I sure know my geography on who's flying what flag on what countries technology.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

That boat is an Akula or Акула which google translate will tell you is "shark" but in actuality is specifically this:



I'll report back when I find a picture of a sea wolf...

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Terrorist

disseminator with the fucking facts.

You guys knows the Russians took Germany's world war II technology while the Americans got the sorry sods "responsible".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Germany

I think I missed something with your post.... You say the Russians took Germany's WW2 technology while quoting an article about how the US intentionally grabbed German scientists as WW2 was coming to end and spirited them to the US. In fact, US rocket and missile technology was based on German technology which was much further advanced than anyone else, and also helped the US win the Space Race.

When it comes to subs I think the US got the bulk of that technology too, being as the Soviet Union's Navy during WWII did pretty much nothing of consequence. Vendzilla would know more about this.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think I missed something with your post.... You say the Russians took Germany's WW2 technology while quoting an article about how the US intentionally grabbed German scientists as WW2 was coming to end and spirited them to the US. In fact, US rocket and missile technology was based on German technology which was much further advanced than anyone else, and also helped the US win the Space Race.

When it comes to subs I think the US got the bulk of that technology too, being as the Soviet Union's Navy during WWII did pretty much nothing of consequence. Vendzilla would know more about this.

I was just pointing out the territory versus its people.
It's total semantics given one could easily talk about
being distracted with Korea at the time.

I simply think that as they had a physical passage to
the epicenter it must have offered a greater advantage.

Much like the nuclear history of Ukraine, and what went missing.

Granted the Americans never left, it's hard to say. It really was divided.

The question is the relative size of the pieces.

That nuclear stuff was one of two things, physical or theoretical.

[ColBigBalls]

Isent that what submarines are supposed to do?

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think I missed something with your post.... You say the Russians took Germany's WW2 technology while quoting an article about how the US intentionally grabbed German scientists as WW2 was coming to end and spirited them to the US. In fact, US rocket and missile technology was based on German technology which was much further advanced than anyone else, and also helped the US win the Space Race.

Win the Space Race? Did you say "win"? I thought that the USSR was that country which has got to the space first. The USA were second. Isn't it?

The space race (first Earth satellite and first man in the space) was won by the USSR. The USA won the Moon race only. This is just one of many way stations in the endless road to stars (Moon, Mars, first exoplanet outside the Solar System etc...)

P.S. Nazi not just "helped" the USA. They have built all the US space program from the scratch. Wernher von Braun the key person in the US space programs was a Nazi SS officer. I doubt the USA had a successful space program without him.

[seeandsee]

your avatar makes my head dizzy

[DWB]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

American troops in Russia and China?

Ever been to a US Embassy in another country? They are usually full of fully armed US soldiers guarding the place. The more risky the location, the more troops.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by seeandsee

your avatar makes my head dizzy

Is my avatar terrorizing you?

[helterskelter808]

Originally Posted by DWB

Ever been to a US Embassy in another country? They are usually full of fully armed US soldiers guarding the place. The more risky the location, the more troops.

So there are 156 US Embassies around the world. Not quite as sinister.

US foreign policy is atrocious enough in reality; exaggerated maps like that are counterproductive.

[Vendzilla]

This my boat, look up USS Tautog and see some history. During WWII, Subs made up 2% of the fleet and sank over half the ships

[DWB]

Originally Posted by helterskelter808

So there are 156 US Embassies around the world. Not quite as sinister.

US foreign policy is atrocious enough in reality; exaggerated maps like that are counterproductive.

Not sure how many embassies we have around the globe, but if there is just 1 solider there, they will count him. Sometimes those types of maps are misleading.

[Just Alex]

I love "Its Obama's fault" underline.
According to my Navy veteran friend, Russian subs use somewhat different but risky technology and can dive deeper and go a bit faster than US subs. Is it true Zilla?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Win the Space Race? Did you say "win"? I thought that the USSR was that country which has got to the space first. The USA were second. Isn't it?

The space race (first Earth satellite and first man in the space) was won by the USSR. The USA won the Moon race only. This is just one of many way stations in the endless road to stars (Moon, Mars, first exoplanet outside the Solar System etc...)

P.S. Nazi not just "helped" the USA. They have built all the US space program from the scratch. Wernher von Braun the key person in the US space programs was a Nazi SS officer. I doubt the USA had a successful space program without him.

The Space Race wasn't about who was first to get to space. It wasn't really much of a race at that point. Educate yourself a little bit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Race. Very second sentence on Wikipedia:

Between 1957 and 1975, the Cold War rivalry between the two nations focused on attaining firsts in space exploration, which were seen as necessary for national security and symbolic of technological and ideological superiority.

Sputnik was just the beginning. It didn't really end until 1975 by which point the US had already landed on the moon multiple times. Russia never made it to the moon. And don't get me started on the Russian Space Shuttle program.

[DWB]

You guys need to ask theking what the deal is. His direct line to the White House and Pentagon contacts will get you sorted out.

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

No submarine runs silent. Sounds like the navy going waaaaahhhh! you're taking away some of our budget waaaaahhhh! we won't be able to afford so many toys waaaaahhhh! big bad Russia will kill you while you sleep because we can't protect you without more money and it will serve you right waaaaahhhh!

As crazy as this sounds, it has some truth to it. Evil Russians

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Just Alex

I love "Its Obama's fault" underline.
According to my Navy veteran friend, Russian subs use somewhat different but risky technology and can dive deeper and go a bit faster than US subs. Is it true Zilla?

Alpha class subs are faster than anything underwater, but they have to rotate the crew every 6 months because of the radiation.
They had a lot of different kinds of subs and they all had their purposes, going deeper or going faster really doesn't mean anything when you look at the firepower of a modern submarine. It's about tech and a crew that can use it.
There is a thing out there called a convergence zone, a good sonar tech can park a loud sub there and no one can hear it

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The Space Race wasn't about who was first to get to space.

Actually it was. That's why it was called "the SPACE race" but not "the Moon race", "the Mars race", "the Alpha Centauri race" etc. And please don't show me wikipedia links. Simple open the English dictionary and read what exactly "space" does mean. First one in space is a winner. Everything else is just a senseless twaddle.

[2012]

[helterskelter808]

The Russians also won the Kill A Dog In Space Race. Congrats.

[Vapid - BANNED FOR LIFE]

They sure did

[just a punk]

Indeed

[Why]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Actually it was. That's why it was called "the SPACE race" but not "the Moon race", "the Mars race", "the Alpha Centauri race" etc. And please don't show me wikipedia links. Simple open the English dictionary and read what exactly "space" does mean. First one in space is a winner. Everything else is just a senseless twaddle.

only a russian would even attempt to argue this. we whooped your ass at the space race, we won the cold war as well. just like we currently own the oceans... russia can float anything it wants off our shores, we dominate the seas and in a naval battle would throw the Ruskies back to the dark ages, fact of life.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Why

we whooped your ass at the space race

Idiot

[Why]

Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Idiot

you know you lost the argument when you result to name calling! but hey, thanks for playin!

[Just Alex]

Originally Posted by Why

we whooped your ass at the space race,

Can you explain how we whooped it if first satellite was Soviet, first man in space was from Ussr, first landing on the moon was done by soviets as well. And now US is forced to fly on Russian rockets because our own are complete garbage.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Why

only a russian would even attempt to argue this. we whooped your ass at the space race, we won the cold war as well. just like we currently own the oceans... russia can float anything it wants off our shores, we dominate the seas and in a naval battle would throw the Ruskies back to the dark ages, fact of life.

who the fuck is 'we'? Are you accountable for the actions of the leaders of the country you live in? If you really think like that you are also accountable for the failures, like killing people all over the world for money, resources and power. Thanks for that

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by DWB

You guys need to ask theking what the deal is. His direct line to the White House and Pentagon contacts will get you sorted out.

Pigshit.