Putting together a photo shoot, couple questions:

[iSpyCams]

Hey guys I am putting together a shoot and I am doing it all remotely with my manager handling everything but its our first time and we are pretty much putting together a "frankenshoot" where nobody has any idea what they are doing.

The girls have done some cam work but never "modeled" for Photos.

The photographer specializes in weddings and birthdays, shit like that.

For these reasons we are going for real softcore glamour style, but I have a feeling we are going to miss completely and just end up with an expensive amateur clusterfuck.

It's going to be interesting, there is a good possibility none of the girls will show up, one thing I am 100% sure of, we will learn a thing or two about how NOT to do it.

Questions:

So right now I got prima donna photographers charging me more than the damn models. Is this normal?

Also they are wanting to charge per PHOTO not per hour or anything that makes sense.

All in all not too expensive, just weird and hard to understand the logic. Thoughts?

[Cherry7]

Whats the worst that can happen?

You don't have photographers working in porn. If they were photographers they would have real jobs.

The worse the pictures the more you can corner the amateur market.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Cherry7

Whats the worst that can happen?

You don't have photographers working in porn. If they were photographers they would have real jobs.

The worse the pictures the more you can corner the amateur market.

Worse that can happen is we would have bad wedding photos with nipples.

[SmutHammer]

Haha... crazy shit. get a camera and shoot yourself, over time you'll learn enough. or go on a modeling website like modelmayhem and find a photographer. I used to use a guy that was a really good photographer and paid him like $200. for the day. I'm sure he and many others would do it for $100. and be happy.

check out nubiles, I havn't been there in a long time, but they had a section for photographers and explained exactly what they are looking for in photo's. doesn't cost you anything to read through it and I'm pretty sure you'll learn something.

[Wizzo]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Also they are wanting to charge per PHOTO not per hour or anything that makes sense.

That's because they are mainstream photographers and usually how they charge.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Hey guys I am putting together a shoot and I am doing it all remotely with my manager handling everything but its our first time and we are pretty much putting together a "frankenshoot" where nobody has any idea what they are doing.

The girls have done some cam work but never "modeled" for Photos.

The photographer specializes in weddings and birthdays, shit like that.

For these reasons we are going for real softcore glamour style, but I have a feeling we are going to miss completely and just end up with an expensive amateur clusterfuck.

It's going to be interesting, there is a good possibility none of the girls will show up, one thing I am 100% sure of, we will learn a thing or two about how NOT to do it.

Questions:

So right now I got prima donna photographers charging me more than the damn models. Is this normal?

Also they are wanting to charge per PHOTO not per hour or anything that makes sense.

All in all not too expensive, just weird and hard to understand the logic. Thoughts?

There are lots of photographers with very good skills that love the opportunity to shoot nekkid girls, and will lower their rates accordingly for the experience, although in my case, when I use photographers without much adult experience, I have to direct the shoots, since as you indicated, they are often used to a more staid, traditional style of shooting.

Otherwise I may end up with something like this, from a wannabe DeMille:



This frees me to shoot video, while providing different looks for my Members, since each photographer has a different style. Slightly more expensive to shoot this way, since I can shoot both stills and video myself, but much easier to manage, and after a few times working together I can tell if the chemistry is good between us (lots of subjectivity in creative fields, as well as some big/unusual egos).

I learn from each photographer that I work with as well, which ends up adding to my skill set. When working as a team, communication is essential, so it's best to work in tandem, rather than to stew over creative differences (as a Director, it's on me and my bad if I can't communicate well with the models/performers, and crew).

Good luck and post some pix, AFTER you PERSONALLY make sure they are over 18, have done their model releases, and whatever 2257 paperwork that you have. If you are going to do this, be sure to do it right so that you can use the content.

If you want to raise your game, remember that shooting content is as much about what goes on before and after you release the shutter, as it is that instant when you are shooting each shot, and the more you remember that as you plan and execute your shoot, the better results you should get as you gain experience.



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[DeanCapture]

Hiring wedding & birthday photographers to shoot porn is your first problem. Your next problem is allowing those photographers to decide the pay scale.

First, you should be hiring photographers who know how to relate & build rapport with models - "especially" if they've never modeled for pictures before. Secondly, you should tell the photographers what you expect of them and then tell them how much the budget is and ask them if they can do it for that. I always appreciate when someone contacts me and spells out EXACTLY what they need and EXACTLY how much money that they have to spend.

And lastly, you MUST let the photographer know that if he/she doesn't meet your expectation and delivery good product - you're not paying for it. If you don't let them know this, you could really end up with some nasty shit.

Good luck......

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer

Haha... crazy shit. get a camera and shoot yourself, over time you'll learn enough. or go on a modeling website like modelmayhem and find a photographer. I used to use a guy that was a really good photographer and paid him like $200. for the day. I'm sure he and many others would do it for $100. and be happy.

check out nubiles, I havn't been there in a long time, but they had a section for photographers and explained exactly what they are looking for in photo's. doesn't cost you anything to read through it and I'm pretty sure you'll learn something.

Well this is in a country where the cost of importing photography gear and the risk of it being stolen by crackheads is prohibitive for most. Just ask Shimmy, who currently doesn't own a camera for that very reason.

On the flipside the models are cheap. We did talk to the photographers and when we mentioned the possibility of repeat business we did manage to get some flexibility.

So, looks like it will be happening soon.

Here are some pics of some of the models and the shooting location:
http://imgur.com/a/nqiaI

[AlexFS]

Pick up a camera and start shooting, you'll improve and get the hang of it quickly.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by AlexFS

Pick up a camera and start shooting, you'll improve and get the hang of it quickly.

I would love nothing more, but I am in a different country from where this is going down so I gotta trust other people.

And by "trust" I mean be horribly disappointed by them and develop a baseline to improve from when finding somebody else.

[waltgator]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Hiring wedding & birthday photographers to shoot porn is your first problem. Your next problem is allowing those photographers to decide the pay scale.

First, you should be hiring photographers who know how to relate & build rapport with models - "especially" if they've never modeled for pictures before. Secondly, you should tell the photographers what you expect of them and then tell them how much the budget is and ask them if they can do it for that. I always appreciate when someone contacts me and spells out EXACTLY what they need and EXACTLY how much money that they have to spend.

And lastly, you MUST let the photographer know that if he/she doesn't meet your expectation and delivery good product - you're not paying for it. If you don't let them know this, you could really end up with some nasty shit.

Good luck......

what he said

[DWB]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Hiring wedding & birthday photographers to shoot porn is your first problem. Your next problem is allowing those photographers to decide the pay scale.

First, you should be hiring photographers who know how to relate & build rapport with models - "especially" if they've never modeled for pictures before. Secondly, you should tell the photographers what you expect of them and then tell them how much the budget is and ask them if they can do it for that. I always appreciate when someone contacts me and spells out EXACTLY what they need and EXACTLY how much money that they have to spend.

And lastly, you MUST let the photographer know that if he/she doesn't meet your expectation and delivery good product - you're not paying for it. If you don't let them know this, you could really end up with some nasty shit.

Good luck......

It defies logic to debate Dean Mutha Fuckin' Capture on this one. He is 100% spot on.

[NaughtyRob]

You got the wrong guys.

[NaughtyRob]

Do you have www.modelmayhem.com in your country? If so, find a guy on there.

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I would love nothing more, but I am in a different country from where this is going down so I gotta trust other people.

And by "trust" I mean be horribly disappointed by them and develop a baseline to improve from when finding somebody else.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Hiring wedding & birthday photographers to shoot porn is your first problem. Your next problem is allowing those photographers to decide the pay scale.

First, you should be hiring photographers who know how to relate & build rapport with models - "especially" if they've never modeled for pictures before. Secondly, you should tell the photographers what you expect of them and then tell them how much the budget is and ask them if they can do it for that. I always appreciate when someone contacts me and spells out EXACTLY what they need and EXACTLY how much money that they have to spend.

And lastly, you MUST let the photographer know that if he/she doesn't meet your expectation and delivery good product - you're not paying for it. If you don't let them know this, you could really end up with some nasty shit.

Good luck......

I know no one must ever question Dean, BUT.

He's assuming John has a clue who to choose to shoot it and what to tell them. From his original post, I never got that impression.

John, get your money, take it into the garden, make a neat pile and set light to it. You'll get more value from it that way.

Alternatively hit up Dean and ask him what you need, or Micheal Ancher. Micheal would be my choice for great soft core glamor work.

[candyflip]

He's shooting Costa Rican whores...I doubt he's going for "great softcore glamor work" as you put it.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by candyflip

He's shooting Costa Rican whores...I doubt he's going for "great softcore glamor work" as you put it.

Not Costa Rica and not whores, but you're right about... not sure what. Probably nothing.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

John, get your money, take it into the garden, make a neat pile and set light to it. You'll get more value from it that way.

Paul, I have seen your work, and I must say you are a big inspiration. Becasue if you can make a living shooting porn, literally anyone can. You should have taken your own advice, we would ALL be better off.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Do you have www.modelmayhem.com in your country? If so, find a guy on there.

Great idea but no we do not. The whole thing has to be semi underground or big problems.

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by DeanCapture

Hiring wedding & birthday photographers to shoot porn is your first problem. Your next problem is allowing those photographers to decide the pay scale.

First, you should be hiring photographers who know how to relate & build rapport with models - "especially" if they've never modeled for pictures before. Secondly, you should tell the photographers what you expect of them and then tell them how much the budget is and ask them if they can do it for that. I always appreciate when someone contacts me and spells out EXACTLY what they need and EXACTLY how much money that they have to spend.

And lastly, you MUST let the photographer know that if he/she doesn't meet your expectation and delivery good product - you're not paying for it. If you don't let them know this, you could really end up with some nasty shit.

Good luck......

I appreciate your advice and it seems like you know what you are talking about. So far the right photographer is the missing piece. I know I have the wrong guy, but I have looked at whats available right now and basically selected the least wrong out of the wrong guys, temporary until I find someone even less wrong for the job.

I should not be doing this at all. I am not there physically, its all being handled through third parties, and as I have said I am counting on it being a flop. I just hope we can learn enough to have a better chance of success next time.

We had a good deal with the photographer we hired, he quoted us at 100 which was what I was expecting. Then he found out we were booking 5 girls and mentioned it was 100 per girl, and he wouldn't take more than 50 shots per girl.

I decided to cancel the whole thing and asked my guys down there to go kick him in the balls for me.

But they suggested we talk to him instead and we have worked out a compromise, let's see what we turn out with.

[Sly]

Do you have any clue what you would like the outcome to be?

[Relentless]

The documents matter more than the photos!

Make sure you have air-tight releases and consent docs, valid IDs etc...

Without the right docs the best images are a lawsuit or a criminal case waiting to happen.
With the right docs even horrible pictures can be marketed to at least some degree.
If you fail to get the docs done right, good luck going back in time to try and fix the error.

[ninavain]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Hey guys I am putting together a shoot and I am doing it all remotely with my manager handling everything but its our first time and we are pretty much putting together a "frankenshoot" where nobody has any idea what they are doing.

The girls have done some cam work but never "modeled" for Photos.

The photographer specializes in weddings and birthdays, shit like that.

For these reasons we are going for real softcore glamour style, but I have a feeling we are going to miss completely and just end up with an expensive amateur clusterfuck.

It's going to be interesting, there is a good possibility none of the girls will show up, one thing I am 100% sure of, we will learn a thing or two about how NOT to do it.

Questions:

So right now I got prima donna photographers charging me more than the damn models. Is this normal?

Also they are wanting to charge per PHOTO not per hour or anything that makes sense.

All in all not too expensive, just weird and hard to understand the logic. Thoughts?

you already fucked up from the floor-up

[Far-L]

Originally Posted by DWB

It defies logic to debate Dean Mutha Fuckin' Capture on this one. He is 100% spot on.

Going to have to agree here.

PJ, I wish you luck because you are going to need it. By the sound of it you are already facing a mountain of problems that all lead you to the precipice of disaster. You really should consider working with a content company to produce for you at this time. In the long run it will be cheaper than learning the expensive way through trial and error. I am sure someone is down there producing content that has already worked through all the issues. Why pay for the learning curve if you are not even there to be hands-on managing it?

The models look they are going to be beaten if they miss a shift at the brothel so be careful because there are probably going to be people that want to get paid that you don't even have factored into the budget yet, like pimps and local law enforcement. DWB probably has good advice about the cost of those risks.

If you are committed to moving forward then I would suggest not trying for such an ambitious first production. Get one model to shoot and make the photog give you a discount based on having to prove his skills because adult nude work is, for lack of a better word, an art - even at the amateur level, and regardless of a person's professional experience in other areas of expertise.

[mikesouth]

Dean is right on the mark..listen to the man, you'd do just as well shooting them yourself as using wedding photographers for one, they wont have a clue how to properly pose the girl even.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Hey guys I am putting together a shoot and I am doing it all remotely with my manager handling everything but its our first time and we are pretty much putting together a "frankenshoot" where nobody has any idea what they are doing.

The girls have done some cam work but never "modeled" for Photos.

The photographer specializes in weddings and birthdays, shit like that.

For these reasons we are going for real softcore glamour style, but I have a feeling we are going to miss completely and just end up with an expensive amateur clusterfuck.

It's going to be interesting, there is a good possibility none of the girls will show up, one thing I am 100% sure of, we will learn a thing or two about how NOT to do it.

Questions:

So right now I got prima donna photographers charging me more than the damn models. Is this normal?

Also they are wanting to charge per PHOTO not per hour or anything that makes sense.

All in all not too expensive, just weird and hard to understand the logic. Thoughts?

Just make sure you bring a mop with two grapefruits glued to the handle. If the girls don't show up, just flip the mop upside down --- instant girl and you're ready to shoot.

[EukerVoorn]

In what country are you then John?

And damn I would love to shoot with Costa Rican whores who do anything for money!

[EukerVoorn]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Here are some pics of some of the models and the shooting location:
http://imgur.com/a/nqiaI

To me these models look great for hardcore porn (solo, g/g or b/g) and great set too. I wouldn't shoot softcore with these models, they have SLUT written all over their faces, I wouldn't be surprised if they're prostitutes.

They also look like girls that will start controlling the situation as soon as they notice that the photographer is unexperienced - meaning they will laugh and giggle, not concentrate on the shoot and look at the clock a lot, taking their money, and run.

I wish I was there I would shoot amazing extremely hard content for you with these girls.

For soft glamour work I would book other models though.

[adendreams]

This is so badly ill conceived that I don't even believe that its real. Hoax right?

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by adendreams

This is so badly ill conceived that I don't even believe that its real. Hoax right?

Rent the movie, it's a laugh riot...



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[xenigo]

Originally Posted by adendreams

This is so badly ill conceived that I don't even believe that its real. Hoax right?

Basically my thoughts as well...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Paul, I have seen your work, and I must say you are a big inspiration. Becasue if you can make a living shooting porn, literally anyone can. You should have taken your own advice, we would ALL be better off.

Well let's wait and see what you achieve.

Give it up and email Dean to do it for you. You're so far out of your depth this thread is going from comedy to tragedy. Or is it the other way around?

[iSpyCams]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Well let's wait and see what you achieve.

Give it up and email Dean to do it for you. You're so far out of your depth this thread is going from comedy to tragedy. Or is it the other way around?

Whatever it starts with I hope it ends in Comedy, much better than so many of the alernatives.

[EukerVoorn]

I think it started as a comedy

[SilentKnight]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

I appreciate your advice and it seems like you know what you are talking about. So far the right photographer is the missing piece. I know I have the wrong guy, but I have looked at whats available right now and basically selected the least wrong out of the wrong guys, temporary until I find someone even less wrong for the job.

I should not be doing this at all. I am not there physically, its all being handled through third parties, and as I have said I am counting on it being a flop. I just hope we can learn enough to have a better chance of success next time.

We had a good deal with the photographer we hired, he quoted us at 100 which was what I was expecting. Then he found out we were booking 5 girls and mentioned it was 100 per girl, and he wouldn't take more than 50 shots per girl.

I decided to cancel the whole thing and asked my guys down there to go kick him in the balls for me.

But they suggested we talk to him instead and we have worked out a compromise, let's see what we turn out with.

Go out and buy yourself a nice little point-'n-shoot cam. Read the chapter in the user manual on 'Tips for Shooting Great Porn Pics'. Practice a few times with an inflate-a-mate. Rinse...repeat as necessary.

If all else fails - drop by your local library and borrow 'Smut For Dummies' (use a yellow highlighter on the most useful parts). Perhaps the librarian has a few helpful tips and tricks to offer.

Good luck.

Refer back to Dean Capture's advice. He knows whereof he speaks.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by pompousjohn

Whatever it starts with I hope it ends in Comedy, much better than so many of the alernatives.

It will be an education for you. So think positively.

[iSpyCams]

Shoot's done. Highlights posted to this thread: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1072187

[PussyMeister]

I was expecting much worse reading through the thread.

The outdoor ones look pretty damn good, especially the first three. The ones on the bed look a little stiff and over-posed, but nice ass shots nevertheless. The one on the lounge chair rubbing herself looks especially hot, nice sexy look on her face.

Girls look amateurish, but in a good way. Very approachable.

[iSpyCams]

Thanks.

I am not gonna be able to use the ones shot in bed, they sent me some creative angles when I booked them, turns out they both have had kids and did not recover well from the experience (yet) their asses look nice though.

[Paul Markham]

Left some comments. Well done.