Antonio

I am making ok money in mainstream, but working 10-12 hours per day for a few thousand bucks per month doesn't feel right.

Where is the big money in mainstream? Site developing, site flipping, domains????

I really want to hear from people that know their shit...

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you need to find the next big thing, that's where the real money is in mainstream

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A guy I worked with used to make money with this software that fixes computer errors

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ditto...

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Buy a container of junk from China and mark it up 200%. Americans love buying junk that is overhyped. Go with the flow I sell high end health products and do ok with that but make even more money selling rubbish miracle health products.

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what you doing now dude? maybe just need to tweak it.

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chaze

We have hosting resellers making a couple thousand, we also have affiliates making over 1k a month and do nothing.

http://www.dwhs.net Something to think about. Also you can do hosting on the side just add a link on the bottom of the page or create a new page.

chaze

I have two domains for this I don't want.

http://www.cigarmist.com

and

http://www.cigarettemist.com

Let me know.

$300 for both.

Argos88

I personally build blogs in different niches, for example last week I did one in forex niche, yesterday one on football (soccer), try to build some traffic, and when I have around 50-60 articles, I start accepting paid and links spots.. I hardly sell any offers or cpa.. I don't use adsense at all. zero adsense for me.. never worked for me.. in the celebrity blog I put a teeth whitening and it converts at 1:50, with 50 bucks per sale.. but hardly use them.. The most money comes from companies that contact me and pay me for link spots, hardlinks, or banners. 90% of my mainstream money comes from that.

So far, I keep growing exponentially, started in mid 2010... Wish i could start earlier and could already been doing 10K per month.. for now its only third part of that.. but I keep growing every month, its just a matter of time.. the more blogs I make, the more money I will make.. buy new VPS's, etc..

For example, this last blog I did last week got listed in all the directories and sites I submitted a few days ago, check below:



I do the same with every new blog I make, RINSE and REPEAT... It's just hard work, but pays way better than adult. It's like adult in years 2001-2007.

And as for adult.. I let my adult sites on auto-pilot, make a few blogs from to time to time, submit to thehun, but hardly work more than 1-2 hours per day in adult, but still get some grands from rebills, etc that always help to pay the bills and all the extra money I make in mainstream I can use for whatever I want. I try to put most of the time I have in mainstream now, since adult is fucked. No sense to work like a slave for nothing.

Just my two cents.

Just Alex

Stats look crappy man. 70% bounce rate and 30 seconds avg time? So it went up to 7K and then dropped to 3K. Then what?

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Antonio

This is more or less what I am thinking of doing as well, but just developing the sites and selling them. I totally agree on the adsense part, not that it can't ad up, but with the number of accounts that they are suspending left and right, it is way too rusky...

And I might as well contribute a bit to the thread as well - this is what has been working quite well for me:
on an aged site:

- I find a low competition keyword related to the site's niche
- add a new post, targeting that keyword
- do 100 or so bookmarks with Boookmarkin Demon
- create 20 or so Web 2's with SE Nuke
- blast the heck out of the Web 2 with all I got (article links, profile links, you name it)
- do some contextual links (I use AMR and wordpress blogs that I have in my list)

I see results almost immediately.... Of course, you can outsource all this instead of doing it on your own, then just rinse and repeat. The link-selling is pretty good idea - it can help you recover some costs and make money even if you can't sell the site.

Argos88

not sure if you read my post, man...

did you read it?

If you read it and understand it, you will understand the stats. its perfectly normal for a new site submitted to directories and viral sites just 5 days ago and which domain was registered 10 days ago.

Argos88

Exactly, im glad we are working on something similar.

I really have no experience in selling sites, for now I just keep them and sell space there.. However if one of the marketing companies ever ask to sell them a site, I could thinking about it.

Have you seen that mainstream companies contact you all the time to advert in the sites? It's great!! Its something I haven't seen in adult in the last 4 years at least.. With that fact, you can notice where the money is.

And WordPress is just amazing.

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Kiopa_Matt

For you guys setting up Wordpress sites (ie. Argo88 and Antonio), you're doing it the hard way. It sounds as though you guys are spending hours to setup one site, then manually logging into each every day to manage it.

So you end up manually installing Wordpress, upload your themes & plugins, configure everything, maybe create a Google Analytics account, then login everyday to manually publish posts, manually track your traffic / sales stats, etc. Whew, talk about a headache!

Take a look here -- http://www.xmarkpro.com/. Fill out one small form, and within 5 seconds your new domain is created in cPanel (or other control panel), with Wordpress installed with desired theme, plugins, configuration, pages, posts, etc. From there you have centralized control over all sites, including one-click login to each of your WP sites, auto-upgrade, mass post to multiple blogs, drip feed content, full SpinTax integration plus fully integrates with The Best Spinner, have traffic automatically tracked via Piwik, etc. Plus alot more like support for multiple servers / hosting accounts, IP management, link tracking, campaign management, media library, etc.

That, and (I believe) you're doing it wrong anyway. Don't jump around from mico-niche to micro-niche like that. Choose a broad niche, and dominate the entire thing. The example I always use is golfing. Say you have a golf equipment site. Why stop there? Why not setup a blog network for the entire niche, and have multiple sites -- golf equipment, golf tips & trips, celebrity, PGA, golf holidays, golf courses, etc.

This way you get to market with many additional keywords, are spread out against the search engines more allowing people to find you easier, you can easily test multiple SEO / marketing strategies, plus you can advertise and cross sell your sites to each other (ie. people interested in PGA, will probably be interested in golf holidays too), etc.

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why do you consider those domains are worth 300?

AdultKing

Look around you at things you use every day and that people pay for monthly. Electricity, Natual Gas, Internet, Pay TV, Credit Cards etc then get yourself in between the consumer and the provider then take your cut.

As I have mentioned in other threads, I run electricity plan comparison sites, people can compare plans from different providers and then choose one through my site for a saving, I get paid a commission for every monthly bill that they pay for the life of the customers relationship with the company, keep building like that and it's easy passive income.

Argos88

Well, im glad almost nobody answer to this thread and people just let it die..

it means more money for us...

also we can see that the average webmaster in this forum has no interest in business...

digitalfantasies

this thread is an interesting read

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An affiliate program for electricity bills? That's interesting!

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Could I get your contact info? or at least have you contact me?

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Odin

Here is your problem. You are a hard worker, but you are looking for a quick fix. This shit blows up, and then dies off. At this point, if you want traffic, focus on building a good site, in a field which you have a chance. Build it into a legitimate website, that users like, that Google likes (which day by day is becoming closer to the exact same thing - it is getting harder to trick Google), and that can give you a sustainable income. I'm making around $10k a month right now in mainstream off 2 sites. I work maybe 5 hours a week on them, if that. Building a legitimate, sustainable business also allows you to invest in talented people, or other projects. Just my opinion.

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chaze

Quick solutions and short cuts rarely pay off.

Just grind your way through a couple years and you will make money from all the people trying to get a quick fix and real businesses.

Sarah_Jayne

The most luck I have had in recent times is sort of bridging that gap between adult and mainstream with the NSFW sort of traffic. Both selling the traffic and also adsensing the less extreme end of things. Also, products that appeal to both worlds. So, like with Fleshlight or adult dating programs, I know I have a more mainstream crowd but one which is likely to be interested in adult-ish things. So, I run pg or pg-13 promo materials and filter them back to those sponsors.

Robbie

Hasn't the economic crisis hurt mainstream sales real bad? I know all the economic news that I see every night on t.v. says that the whole world is hurting. I would think that would put a damper on a lot of mainstream online sales as well. At least for affiliates.

But I'm only guessing. I gave up on mainstream stuff about 11 years ago. It just wasn't enough money compared to what I was making in adult.

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chaze

Oh for sure, bottom line is people are spending less money out of fear they won't get more back later. It's circle that effects the world, no spending, means less revenue, means less money to earn, means less spending.

All we have to do is start spending again and we will be fine, there is plenty of money for everyone to live a good life in US circulation.

But bad politicians and ignorant greedy corporations are ruining it for everyone.

Profits of Doom

Just my , but I target things that people are looking for in an economic crisis. Mainstream offers like payday loans, car title loans, work from home opportunities, etc. are still doing really well for me. I know think outside the box is an overused, hack phrase, but it truly applies here...

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Robbie

That's not a bad idea at all.
My problem is all my traffic is adult. Are there companies with affiliate programs that would allow me to promote them on adult sites?

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Mr Pheer

Services & consumable products have been working really, really well for me.

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AmeliaG

Back in like 2000 or 2001 or thereabouts I made a bunch of dough upselling credit cards on my join pages. The idea being that folks would be thinking about wanting a credit card in a spot where they might want to pay with one. Then my particular sponsor added TOS about adult. I thought about adding a link to a non-adult landing page, but it seemed like too much bother at the time. Might revisit that now.

Anyone have an opinion on what are some of the best-paying credit card affiliate programs going these days?

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I do a lot of CPA offers, and I noticed that even companies that say they don't allow adult traffic actually do if you talk to an affiliate manager directly. I hit up sites like http://www.offervault.com/ and find an offer that I'm interested in, and then I talk directly to an affiliate manager of the program offering it if I'm planning on sending adult traffic. I've been building up my mainstream traffic with blogs on top of doing ad buys, but if I think an offer will work on adult traffic I'll give it a shot (although admittedly I haven't had much luck with adult traffic and mainstream offers).

I'm sure there are offers that will work with adult traffic but I haven't experimented enough with it yet. I know you probably don't have enough hours in the day to start building mainstream blogs, but I outsource a great deal of it. If you can stand the headache of navigating the content creation forum on Digital Point there are a ton of outsourced mainstream writers that will work for peanuts, way more and way better quality than in adult in my opinion...

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I'm making $34 a lead from Orchard Bank, which is targeted towards people with bad credit, and quite a few mainstream affiliate companies carry their offers...

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Argos88

no, the economic criss has not affected mainstream at all.. companies keep spending millions every hour in brand building and marketing.

if crisis has affected anything is people's mind.. if t they can get something for free, they will get it free.. and adult is all free.. everyone know that by now and people dont pay anymore.. of course a tube still make lots of money in adult.. but we are not talking about ther 5% of webmasters here who still make tons of money..

Antonio

Nope, there is no way I am going to do what I did in adult - spending years developing sites, so I can lose 95% of my income overnight. Way too risky and probably good strategy for someone in their 20s or just starting out, but not for me. If I go that route, I would probably outsource everything and only invest 10% or less of what I make into anything remotely long-term.

Minte

We have 3 internet affiliates selling one of our product lines. They each have a processing account but we drop ship to the customers as orders come in. We give them 30 day terms.
Of the three, one has sold $376,000 so far this year. He makes 40% of that. The second one has sold just over $110k and the third has sold just over $55k.
My suggestion is look for a product you know something about. Contact the manufacturer and set up terms with them. The only investment our affiliates made were the websites and their time. I expect all three of them will continue to grow their sales.

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Odin

Had similar experiences too What has worked for me in mainstream is creating or acquiring solid content. Not Indian written stuff, but legitimate stuff that becomes an authority in its field. It's nice when you go around acquiring back-links and people WANT to link to you, or others just add your links to Wikipedia, etc because the content is good. If you're interested in heading down this path feel free to hit me up. There are a few ways to go about this though.

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Why wouldn't these affiliates eventually go direct?

Is it just to much of a hassle to get that extra % of rev?

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Robbie

I'd like to know what it is that Minte is selling. And if I could get in as an affiliate too.

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NetHorse

Nice thread.



Timing has a lot to do with it.

For example, when DirectTV started offering their NFL package free it was a great thing to push BEFORE they nationally advertised when the Football season started.

Kindle Fire, is a good one right now, or was. A day or two makes all the difference, dump $10,000-$20,000 in advertising on a hot product before anyone else and watch the $$$ roll in.

Mainstream is huge as long as you're on-top of the trends and have a good system. Don't expect to sell acai products and become a millionaire.

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Yes, but you have to be persuasive. I started to make this Valentines Day related site back in January but ended up having to move and did not have enough time to finish it and promote it so it only generated a few sales. It's high end lingerie promoted in tandem with adult paysites.
http://valentines.starletsheet.com/

Right now I'm working on a network of financial related site that will be used as a means to promote a book that's set to be published on November 8th (titled Laughing At Wall Street). None of the sites are live yet, I'm behind schedule, and things are stressful, but things do look promising.

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jimmycooper

Oh, there's also T-Shirt Hell. Nothing to make a bunch of money on, but I've made a few sales by strategically placing ads for specific t-shirts on subject relevant pages. An acquaintance of mine claims to have even sent sales from this site, so I think it's reasonable to assume that they don't mind adult traffic. http://www.skibunniesfucked.com/

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Minte

My company is the manufacturer,so they are going direct.

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