There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

If a pit attacks someone, its the owners fault for

a) Not training him properly

b) Not giving him enough exercice

Pits need more attention than most other breeds due to their high energy levels. If not tamed, they can be agressive as that is their only way to vent steam. All dogs are the same. Pits are just more dangerous when it happens due to their breed.

Banning Pits is not a solution. Educating Pet owners is.

People with limited reasoning voicing their limited opinions

You can kill someone with a plush toy, but which is MORE LIKLEY to cause a accidental death? A plush toy or a loaded handgun in a toybox?

It's not a black and white world, so there probably shouldnt be any mistaking that this is not a black and white issue. It's a million shades of grey issue.

Maybe at some point a town or county or state will ban the sale of registered dogs of certain breeds based on whatever data they feel like. Some probably already do. Then people can choose to stay or go and it'll be fine.

I was counting down until the inevitable when someone would compare
black people to dogs.

Congrats!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2382/...842b8978b1.jpg

You should try to educate yourself before you start making statements about things you obviously know nothing about

There was this guy who got fucked in the ass by a horse and died. So clearly horses need to be banned.

We have a pit now, she is the best dog we've ever had. I'll probably stick with pits from now on. I control my dogs, however, and they are under constant supervision.

The worst dog I ever had was a St. Bernard. When he was 6 or 7 he turned vicious on us. The vet couldn't find anything wrong but I had him put down anyway, he was just too dangerous to have around. He could have easily killed someone and that is a chance I wasn't willing to take. He was a good dog up until then, I don't know what happened.

Are you retarded?

Letter to dumb asses who do not understand shit about dog related deaths vs dog bite victims. Do your fucking research you Hitler wannabe. BTW pits do not have lock jaw.

http://www.americanhumane.org/animal...dog-bites.html

Approximately 92% of fatal dog attacks involved male dogs, 94% of which were not neutered.

At least 25 different breeds of dogs have been involved in the 238 dog-bite-related fatalities in the U.S.4

Breed-specific legislation (BSL)

* In response to these statistics, many communities have enacted breed-specific legislation (BSL) that prohibits ownership of certain breeds, such as pit bulls, Rottweilers and others.
* Any breed of dog can bite, and research suggests BSL does little to protect the community from dog-bite incidents.
* In fact, BSL can often have unintended consequences -- such as black-market interest and indiscriminant breeding practices -- resulting in subsequent breed overpopulation that leads to increases in the number of homeless, stray and euthanized dogs.
* Enforcement of BSL has been shown to be very costly and extremely difficult to enforce. One county in Maryland spent more than $560,000 maintaining pit bulls (not including payroll, cross-agency costs and utilities), while fees generated only $35,000.5
* Responsible breeding and ownership, public education and enforcement of existing laws are the most effective ways of reducing dog bites.
* American Humane supports local legislation to protect communities from dangerous animals, but does not advocate laws that target specific breeds of dogs.



"Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them

http://dogbitelaw.com/dog-bite-stati...fuse-them.html

Great link explaining how lethal pit bulls are compared to other dogs, hence the breed specific legislation. All dogs attack. Not all dogs kill. That's the difference.

However, there exists the false impression that pit bulls and Rottweilers are responsible for the dog bite epidemic. Although they do most of the killing, it is unlikely that they do most of the biting.

While pit bulls and Rottweilers inflict a disproportionate number of serious and even fatal injuries, the dog bite epidemic involves many different breeds, and results from many different causes.

More quotes from your article

Furthermore, a recent study by hospital physicians also has established that attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs

Damn those lying medical professionals.

The study:
Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs

Conclusions: Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the US mortality rates related to dog bites.

I think there are just people out there (also is this thread obviously) who want to exterminate something no matter what you tell them or explain them... ignorance rules and obviously they can only be satisfied by banning / killing something...

...who is the vicious animal now?

Hard to say what my position is on Pits. In the previous town I lived in they were banned due to 3 pit related deaths, 2 of which were kids, one of the pits I had seen on many occasions.

The pit I knew that killed a 7 year old girl was a house dog that LIVED with children and previously never had any incidents. It wasn't owned by a 'gang banger' or a person fighting dogs, it was owned by a family and lived in the house. When you hear a story like that it's hard NOT to blame the breed.

Then on the other hand, I have friends with Pits that are total sweethearts. Never once had an issue with them.

I do know one thing, when I have kids a pitbull will never be around them. I don't care how many pictures you post of Pits with kids, FUCK THAT.

The ignorance in this thread really amazes me. People really need to educate themselves before they start spreading more inaccurate information about things they know nothing about. I have grown up around dogs and my current dog is a 6 year old pit bull that I trained myself. He is the best dog I have ever had and is trained to respond to hand signals. Where ever I go I get compliments on his behaviour, other dog owners ask me how to get their misbehaving mutts to listen to them. Here's the thing, dogs are not fashion accessories and if you don't know anything about dogs and are asking me how to get your dog to behave then maybe you should have done some research before you got a dog or get a cat instead. :2 cents:

Amen brother :thumbsup

I don't know about banning horses but I'd say that Darwin's Law effectively banned that idiot from the gene pool.

i agree. there should be a ban on those four legged death machines.

http://www.petitiononline.com/banpb/petition.html

every dog owner thinks their dogs are the best mist friendly and under control dog in the world ... until they bite some kids face off.

Loads of people who regularly drink-drive haven't had an accident whilst doing so. To ban drink-driving across the board because of a few incidents is silly.

Oh, wait...

do you know any pit bulls personally?

Everyone does. That is 100% irrelevant to the fact that they are disproportionately responsible for dog attack deaths and severe maiming.

You are emotionally attached to your pet. That's why you are incapable of viewing the issue rationally. If you were in love with your heroin dealer and addicted to Heroin, you would be defending heroin and dealers as being great guy and heroin as a drug that just makes you feel better. Then you'd be making all sorts of pointless analogies about cocaine and meth and other drugs and making retarded comparisons as if it makes heroin OK.

I don't like pit bulls. I generally don't like their owners. I don't like the fact that some 19 yr old punk asshole can walk with a spiked collar, oversize death machine on 4 legs, with behavioral problems in a park full of children and he thinks "its cool". The simple fact is that "cool dog" can/does murder. Whether the owner is responsible ultimately or not is 100% irrelevant. That's why you also don't get to walk around with a hand grenade or drive drunk.

I have 3 little kids and wouldn't have issue with bring a pitbull puppy into the house.

Cocker Spaniel on the other hand would be at the bottom of the list. We had one for years and they could be quite nasty with kids around.

No they are not. They're just disproportionately responsible for the ones the media reports.

i stay away from them. no point risking getting maimed.

i do know "good dog owners" with "well behaved and trained" pit bulls that mysteriously lost it and attacked people however. "don't know what happened."

I just produced a study (with Joels kind help) that says otherwise. Maybe you have a study that refutes that?

The reason for breed specific legislation is the disproportionate number of deaths and severity of the attacks attributed to those dogs.

Again, lets consider the irrationality of the positions on this issue...

All dogs are created equal and no dog is more dangerous than another. The only difference is the owner.

A Pit Bull can't be inherently dangerous to children.

A Cocker Spaniel can be inherently dangerous to children.

A pit bull can only be dangerous because of the owners.

A Cocker Spaniel is naturally dangerous.

Dude I train dogs and am partial to pit bulls because of their intelligence, loyalty and friendliness towards people. As I said before dogs are not fashion accessories and should not be treated as such, pit bulls are not for everyone, dogs in general are not for everyone. It's probably a good thing that you feel the way that you do about pit bulls because you are someone that obviously should not have one. Your comparison to heroin shows you have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry to hear of your ignorance/misinformation, a little education is a wonderful thing.

So I will take that as a no, how can you give an informed opinion on an animal that you have never encountered? sounds rather ignorant to me. Oh wait you heard someone else tell you that they were mean and vicious so it must be true.

You know that you are far more likely to be hit and killed by a piano falling in the street than by a pit bull but I bet you still walk in the street.

Source??

more hearsay, I feel sorry for you... enjoy the rest of your day, I am going to go down to the beach with my pit bull for a swim and to let him play with some of the neighbourhood dogs, peace out, watch out for falling safes :upsidedow

From your experience would you say that pits are dog aggressive? I know a few pit owners. The dogs are great around people (from what I have seen), but they go bat shit crazy when around other dogs.

I haven't ever encountered a Lion - does this mean they aren't dangerous to humans after all, contrary to what I've been led to believe?

http://www.news.com.au/national/pitb...-1226117867049

The family of four-year-old Ayen Chol, who was mauled to death by a pitbull terrier cross on Wednesday.

The dog had run from a house only 50m away on the opposite side of the street in St Albans, northwest Melbourne.

Ayen was killed instantly. Her five-year-old cousin, Nyadeng, received head injuries and Nyadeng's mother was bitten on her hands and arm as she tried to save her girls,

http://resources2.news.com.au/images...-st-albans.jpg

RIP Ayen.

Something I read awhile ago on accidental deaths in North America, unfortunately I am unable to find the reference at this time, but I could change that to automobile accidents if you would like, or even drunk driving maybe we should ban cars and alcohol as well.

I really have to go now, I have shit to do no more time to teach those that do not want to learn. have a good day with your limited mental capacity, don't forget to breath :upsidedow

if not properly socialized any dog can be aggressive to other dogs/animals. Mine is really well socialized with all animals, my buddies cats actually chase him when I am at his house, it's all in how they are raised.

Here is your problem and that of pitbull owners.

You act like there is no legitimate concern. You act like anyone that has a concern is just an ignorant asshole. Guess what!? Your beloved dogs ate being outlawed. Obviously there is some reason for concern. Further, you and yours CAN'T overturn or rescind this sort if legislation in spite of all your claims that pitbulls just eat rainbows and leave a trail of pixie dust as they gleefully hop from cloud to cloud. That also tells me something.

I just posted a study. Care to refute it with facts? Or you going to take the Jane Goodall approach and argue how amazing and wonderful they are until they tear a neighbors child apart or worse.

You're emotional. I don't think or care about pitbulls anymore than I think or care about traveling to Dubuque. Now we find your life is about pitbulls. The fact that you summarily dismiss and and all conelcerns simply shows how incapable of rational debate you are in this issue.

Pregnant woman killed by pit bull died from blood loss, shock

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...77F02820110816

Bertini said there was so far no evidence to indicate that the dogs had been trained to be aggressive.

Boy scarred for life after dog attack

http://www.castanet.net/news/West-Ke...ter-dog-attack

Mom Tamie Williams says the pitbull was laying on the couch before it lunged at her son, mauling him in the face and piercing his cheek and throat.

grasping at straws now are we. Lions are not domesticated animals not to mention they are 500 + pounds full grown. Your limited comprehension is sad :(

People go camping in the woods and get killed by bears. Most people don't say "we need to kill ALL bears". People swim in the ocean and get killed by sharks. People don't say "Kill all sharks". More people in the US are killed by BEES than dogs. Let's kill all bees. And if you really want to look at it it white males between ages 18-40 kill more humans than all the animals combined and then some.