which job is that?
killing children? because thats what shows up the most in pitbull attacks.
scared maimed and dead children.

which job is that again?

again, opinions are irrelevant to facts and statistics.

no vets are going to speak up and say exterminate a breed of dog

ridiculous that anyone would use that as basis for their argument

i went to school with a bunch of future Vets, and they were all the same...they love all animals, which is why they choose to study for years and years to help them have the best lives possible...so it isn't surprising to me at all that you wont find many vets speaking up for the ban/extermination of a breed of dog..lol

this place is making me stupid, just by showing up and reading from here

Dogs don't look particularly interested in showing how strong their jaws are.

Yeah bad news on that front. You're already well in to the stupid category.

My neighbors labs would have eaten this things for a snack.

whatever you say joe rockhead

go pump some iron or something

So are you the one that left a child in the care of a 80 lb dog?

When I was a kid, I knew better than to pet a dog in a fenced area or one on a chain.

Pit Bulls are known to be good around kids, have been for a long time

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_18XkaPdQZu...le-rascals.jpg

While I am whole heartidly against breed ban legislation, I am completely for owner responsibility.

If your large dog gets out of your control and hurts or worse kills a person (child OR adult) you SHOULD absolutely be liable for any damage they do. I'm good with criminal charges too. We should be held responsible for what our animals do.

I've had Rottweilers for the better part of 10 years now. I'm down to just the one and he's easily the most gentle dog I've ever had. Would I leave him outside alone though? Absolutely not. Would I leave him alone with a child? Never! Why? Because he's a dog. He has never been aggressive to anything in his whole life but that doesn't change the fact that *IF* something happened he could do a whole lot of damage.

Your loaded gun might not ever go off by accident, but if it does, the potential for damage is pretty big. Same holds true for any type of powerful animal.

Punish the people not the breed and you'll put an end to these kinds of problems a whole lot faster.

Sigh.

10 pages of the usual (pit)bull shit. Whatever. The fact is yes, there are good responsible owners and there are also a lot of dipshits who shouldn't have a dog period much less a pitbull.

The other fact is that the bad owners are going to ruin it for the good owners. Seems more and more provinces and states and even a few countries out there are talking lately about possibly banning the breed. And quite frankly if they bring that kind of law into my province I really can't say I would disagree with it, at least not enough to fight it. Because the last fact is that people in general are sick to death of hearing on the news or reading in the paper about yet another pitbull attack, yet another kid maimed or killed, etc.

And for every pic or vid of a nice tame friendly pitbull there is no doubt quite a few floating around out there of vicious ones in action that could be posted as well. (did I just give this thread legs to go 20 pages?)

Argue the why's or where's or anything else you want, but the simple fact is that like most other fun or enjoyable things in life, it is the idiots who are going to ruin it for the rest of you. I almost said "us" instead of "you" there, but although I've been a dog owner for much of my life I've never owned a pitbull. It's never been a breed that particularly appealed to me, but that's not to say they can't be good trainable loveable pets. They can.

Maybe they're a breed that prospective owners should need to earn some sort of dog training credentials before being allowed to get one? Just a thought, it would certainly weed out most of the lowlifes out there who seem to gravitate towards owning a pitbull. And it would negate the need for an all-out ban on the entire breed.

It's the stigma that surrounds the breed that makes them a better candidate for the role of guard dog. People are afraid of them. That's why more are used for that job. Thats why there are more attacks. It's not like there are packs of them running around. There isn't.

you would assume other breeds have bad owners as well and as such those breeds should be attacking people as well. but they don't at the same levels. why is that? there is just something genetically defective about the breed and as such to dangerous and unstable to be around human society despite the capabilities of the owners and training.

does repeating something thats not true over and over magically make it true for you?
because here are the facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ported_in_2011

dog attack deaths

2006-
death by pitbull- 15
all other breeds- 15

2007-
death by pitbull- 18
all other breeds- 16

2008-
death by pitbull- 15
all other breeds- 9

2009-
death by pitbull- 14
all other breeds- 15

2010-
death by pitbull- 22
all other breeds- 11

lets pull 2010's pitbull fatalities:

victim's age and circumstances
5 years Killed by neighbor's two pit bulls
3 years Killed by his family's dog
6 years Killed while walking to a friend's home
5 days Killed by her family's dog
7 days Killed by his family's dog
2 years Killed by his family's dog
9 years Killed in her home while opening the door to let the dog outside
2 years Killed by three of his step-grandfather's dogs.
7 years Killed by a neighbor's three pit bull-type dogs and a mixed breed dog while staying at the neighbor's residence.
3 days Killed by his family's dog
2 years Killed by his grandfather's dog
56 years Killed by his daughter's four dogs
38 years Killed by her mother's dog
71 years Suffered a fatal heart attack when attacked by two of his neighbor's dogs
46 years Killed by a pack of pit bull-type dogs that had been abandoned by their owner.
65 years Killed while defending her husband against an attack by her nephew's dog
69 years Killed by 2 pit bulls a tenant was keeping on his land.
85 years Killed by her daughter's 9-year-old dog
84 years Killed by his son's pack of 17 dogs
67 years Died of complications of his injuries inflicted by his family's dog.
53 years Killed in her own yard by her neighbor's two dogs
25 years Killed by his family's dog



yup, they're great with kids.

looks like they're great for the elderly as well.

I'll bet you each one of these owners explained how safe and friendly their dogs were too.

not to mention the daily bites and maimings pit bulls do.

odd then that none of my listed fatality circumstances listed "killed by dog guarding property.

most say,"killed by family's dog"

odd that stigma thing......

today's pit bull news.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...-city-heights/

The victim said he was on 39th Street near Thorn Street when he was bitten on the arm by a pit bull that was running loose.

Sure, right, they were killed by a dog they used for guard duty tied up with a chain.
I would expect you to be the first to realize the fault in that reporting

Most dog attacks are off site according to all the stats, which means bad ownership to me, not bad breed. I've never owned a small breed dog and have always made sure my dogs didn't roam the streets.

http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/ they have a normal tempermant.

It nearly always seems to be family that is eaten by any dog.

odd then that only one of the children killed by pitbulls were out in the street when it happened.

I'm sure those days old kids were up to no good out in the street when they were killed.:thumbsup
I'll bet their parents were busy telling everyone how good their god was with kids as they were driving the baby home from the hospital.
wonder if they're posting pics of The Little Rascals now.

right, and it always seems to be the pitbull that accounts for at least 50% of dog related killings.

I told Alli this thread would get to 10 pages at least.

And you want to blame that on the Breed?

If someone shot themselves with a gun, would you blame the gun?

it is safe to assume that all dogs have the same ratio of good to bad owners, and if so then why do pit bulls always make up 50% of attacks and dog murders?

hint: it's the breed.

if 50% of self inflicted gunshot wounds happened with one gun, yeah, I'd say the gun was inherently unsafe.

like a pit bull

Guns are often a problem. Guns are controlled. Many types of guns are even illegal. Guns are illegal to possess in many countries around the world as its widely acknowledge they are a problem. You are arguing against pitbull control and not arguing for anything else. If you could understand that part of your own argument and position, there wouldn't be an argument. All you have to say is "yeah, there should be some sort of training or licensing requirements.." or something. But you just keep making the same arguments that suggest you are against doing anything at all and that deny there is any sort of issue at all.

You occasionally blame the owner, but its not the owner thats attacking children. If you can't put forth a credible solution to deal with owners, then you have to accept the solution to deal with the dogs.

Self inflicted is self inflected, but on that note, .22 caliber guns account for most of the gun deaths in the US and assault weapons account very few. Yet it's the assault weapons that get the bad press.

I have a Pit Bull in the house, he's not dangerous.

I don't believe I suggested anywhere that there were packs of them out there, but I suppose it's a valid point of sorts.

But that's the bulk of the problem with this breed entirely, that too many redneck, trailortrash, or lowlifes of one sort or another get them as guard dogs, train them minimaly or not at all, and said training is to bring out their agression of course. Like I said, it is these types that are going to get the entire breed banned.

Idiots who leave their pb tied or chained in the yard all day and neglect him/her.
Mullet-wearing morons who get pb's "because they're cool" and they intimidate the neighbors
Idiots who just don't know what they're doing and get a pb as a family pet, not having the least clue how to properly train a dog.


Some say pitbulls get a bad rap in the media. All I can say is that every single dog attack that gets reported and where someone got injured all make the news here, not just those involving pitbulls. ALL. It just so happens that most (as in more than half) do involve pitbulls. Thus people are sick of hearing about them.

I would agree about punishing the owners more rather than an outright banning, but either way something has to be done. I hazard a good guess a lot of goverments are leaning towards going the banning route though.

hope you are aware every pit owner says that after an attack, i hope.

Because assault weapons are used in violent crimes. A metal jacketed .223 or 7.62 can go through cars and buildings and children's bedrooms and through innocent people and very often do. .22's don't.

Are you so silly that you can't understand the disproportionate danger of a children's gun and an AK-47 used by gang members to spray down a neighborhood? Kinda in line with your stance on pitbulls as well.

No, rare that a violent crime involves an assault weapon.

Children's gun? Really?

voila!

Pitbull by themselves are NOT bad... It's the way some of these owners raise them.. You can see the same problem with Dobermans or Rothwellers...

I've been raised around dogs. My dad was having a kennel back in the day breeding and training German Shepherds for several Police Depts...

I remember he had one once, and the dog was very gentle, been raised as anormal dog, not to become an Attack Dog..

IT IS Not the race.. IT IS the owners.... It's just like saying Black Peoples are all thieves... All Italians are Mobsters.. ...

If an owner is to blame, yes, but you wouldn't believe how many times some shit for brains kid jumps a wall to find a dog and gets bite, then the dog gets put down and the kid sues the owner. Remember we live in a world that happens a lot

thats exactly what all those other parents of dead children thought too.

I'm not citing "press" I'm citing facts.

a .22 caliber rifle can certainly kill. So can a pellet gun. The danger of a .22 doesn't even begin to compare to the danger of an AK-47 where a few rounds can cut a person in 1/2. Where those rounds can travel great distances and with enough energy go through cars, homes, buildings and other structures and kill innocent people as happens all the time. The two just don't compare, which is why there are laws specifically targeting one of them.

You keep playing these retarded games with irrelevant comparisons to deflect attention away from the topic of discussion and your weak arguments. If you want to start a thread about .22's... start a thread about .22's. People here are talking about dogs.

I raised my daughter around horses, those horses were alot more dangerous. That's a fact

Of the estimated 14,446 horseback-related head injuries treated in 2009, 3,798 were serious enough to require hospitalization. There were an estimated 4,958 concussions and 97 skull fractures. Subdural hematomas and brain hemorrhages comprised many of the serious injuries. According to the Equestrian Medical Safety Association, head injuries account for an estimated 60 percent of deaths resulting from equestrian accidents.

So are you going to want to get rid of horses next?

Facts are assault weapons are rarely used in violent crimes, more apt to be a .22 pistol

Hey moron, can't read?, .22 kill more people , assault weapons are rarely used in violent crimes, what a fucking retard

Assault weapons are used in about one-fifth of one percent (.20%) of all violent crimes and about one percent in gun crimes

Yeah I know, blame me, I knew Obama was wrong before he started.

And I know Pit Bulls are very cool dogs

why would I do that when you can simply choose not to climb on.

how many of the dead children had the choice to not climb on?
I understand that against my facts, you have to make far reaching analogies but facts are facts, analogies, aren't.



facts are, you're morelikely to get attacked and or killed by a pitbull than any other breed.

gun facts along with horse facts, have no place in a dog thread unless you don't have dog facts to back up your fanciful ideas about dogs.