DamianJ

150 people thinking Paul is a big silly goose

I love how you keep saying this. Even though I keep proving, beyond any doubt, you are completely wrong. Again. Like with so many things. Bless you.



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Now please post your pointless reply where you call me an idiot and say I live in a rented flat. If you could take the time to so some screen grabs of any videos on youtube too, that'd be great.

Paul Markham

For Mr Peabody.

A porn shop had many revenue stream.

DVD and mag sales.
DVD rental.
Private DVD viewing booths.
Peep shows
Toys
Pills and lubes.

The first 3 were absolute cash cows. Peep shows also were good earners, girls could earn a good living doing them. There were 1-1 shows and 1-10 or more shows.

When porn shops could afford rental on Times Square and other NY prime locations you know these places are making a ton of money. When the mafia run many shops it's a slam dunk there's money in them.

The porn shops and retail was where the real money was made in porn. For every film produced there was the possibility of retail sales, rental, private booths, cable and for some softcore market. Then the World Wide market.

When people talk about the turn over of Private as an indication of porn revenue prior to the Internet. Old timers know they're clueless about porn prior to the Internet.

And lastly, the idea of 100 people being allowed to thumb through a mag before someone buys it, is silly. The idea of people standing on a street corner leafing through a porn mag is silly, because it would deter other customers. Especially females in NY they might take grave offense. The idea of 100 people asking for a porn mag that's often placed on a rack behind the vendor is also silly. He would soon learn to say "Buy it and read it at home."

Not saying your friend didn't tell you, that would be wrong. Just saying you're silly to accept it at face.

Damian, go and think of how I will pull down your assumptions on traffic. You have an hour because I'm off to take Rajah for a walk. Seriously think about it.

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DamianJ

I can't wait love!

You said the internet isn't growing, I proved it is. Lots.

You now have to PROVE it isn't growing to make your point.

Not posts 2000 words on why you think I'm a cunt. You need to find *evidence* about how the net isn't growing.

Because that is what you claimed.

Good luck with that.

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Paul Markham

The key is in the last part.

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Shit, we have a thunderstorm. I'm staying in for a little while.

The growth of people in countries that are likely to buy is slow.

Look at growth in the last 3 years, year by year in the US, UK, Germany, AU and any of the other prime markets. Consider that online porn revenue comes from just a few countries. Then you see why a Global growth chart isn't important. It's a country by country growth chart that counts.

Then consider the growth in traffic on free sites and you have an indication why revenues are falling and people are getting out.

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Jel

100k uniques per month lmfao hahahahahaha

theking

Markham you made a living shooting porn...selling to mags...not a great living...but a living and about that subject you have some knowledge. As you have demonstrated...so very well...time and time again...when it comes to any other subject you are clueless. I spotted your ignorance many years ago and began calling you clueless and have ever since.

I am aware that you are not aware of your ignorance in almost all subjects but as I...and so many others...have pointed out to you...you are ignorant.

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Paul Markham

Here's a few links to show the trouble online porn is in.

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm the growth in US and EU is good, but the new growth is clearly in places we will have trouble selling to.

While online sales are booming in an unprecedented way. Online porn shrinks.

http://www.internetretailer.com/2011...fits-boom-2010

Online sales grow 29% for week ending May 8 to $1.5 billion

More sales taking place online, official figures show

Online sales statistics and forecasts: compilation

Sales of online porn are falling. While sales online are growing. Why is that? Maybe all you marketing guys aren't as good as you need to be. If you can't increases ales like they should be, you're obviously failing.

And don't say they're not, we can all see the problems we face. Well you face. If online porn comes back, it will make me happy, but no better off. I'm semi retired.

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bjlover

Maybe your business partner can give up her cleaning job and you could open up your own bank account

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bjlover

Yeh, because you have a life off GFY

Your so obsessed and have no life, that now even you can see it and are now posting excuses for posting, because even your getting embarrassed


Must suck to be you

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DamianJ

Glad you learnt something today.

Jel

100k uniques a month. Does *anyone* have that kind of traffic?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha













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bjlover

Top advice from the guru Paul Markham all in the space of about 10 posts

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theking

Yep...from over...to slow...to good...in just a few posts. Basically he just babbles...and babbles...and for good measure babbles some more.

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Jel

one hunnert? THOUSAND? per month??? That's uniques? Uniques to sponsor right? Every MONTH?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You fucking clueless, trolling, idiot lol

Paul Markham

No way Eva is giving up working. I like the quiet of the daytime.

As for the bank account, that would be nice. I could get a credit card as well. Low limit one of course.

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DamianJ

So, you made millions, are retired, and yet your business partner takes a school leaver secretarial job doing filing...

I can only think of two reasons for this.

1) You are broke or
2) She can't stand your company and needs to get out of the house

Paul Markham

Why only post a part of it?

If this amazing growth has been going on and will continue to go on. Why are incomes shrinking? They should be growing at the same rates online revenues are increasing in other businesses.

People keep quoting out of context.

Who has 100k uniques that converts 1-100? Not 1-100 clicks on a banner. 1% of all his traffic ends up buying? No Jel we are talking about traffic looking at porn on a porn site. Very few sites converted at 1-100, not even in the good days. The mix of traffic was good and bad. As for affiliates, it's the traffic on their site. No point in just counting those interested enough to look at paid porn, you have to include those looking at free porn.

A potential customer base is all those who like and consume the product. Not only the ones prepared to pay for it. That's a losers excuse. Ever heard "No one is buying today boss." Replied "No failure, no one is selling today."

Very very few have that kind of quality traffic. That's traffic from inside a paysite or SE traffic of the highest quality in a main stream niche. Micro niche might do the ratio, but not the quantity of traffic.

So let's assume I am wrong and millions lore porn consumers who can buy are coming online every week. Then why are incomes falling at a rate never known before?

Because that's the problem you guys have to solve.

As for the replies you guys dream up. I look at what you "experts" have done to porn. You had an opportunity to sell to billions. You gave it away to billions and basically killed the Goose That Laid The Golden Egg.

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Only in your head loser. Where did you dream that little fantasy from?

That's your problem liar. You dream up these lies to fit your previous lies to fit the lies that you already said.

What does your wife do for a living?

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DamianJ

Can you offer another explantation? There's nothing rewarding about secretarial work, it's like working in MacDonalds, but less greasy. So I honestly can;t think of anything else.

Still, you've learnt that the internet is growing today, so that's good.

x

Paul Markham

A reason to work.

Eva isn't the type of person to sit around the house all day and wanted to get out and do something again. She speaks good English, has experience running a company, accounts, wages and managing people. So working as a PA to an owner of a transport company is for her something she loves.

Lorry drivers on the road getting into trouble in Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, UK, etc and Eva's the one who gets to sort out the problems. When it comes to negotiations she's the one who has to translate for the boss. She replaced a person who was doing that job and left to have children.

Eva has responsibilities, problems to solve and people to mix with. do you really think sitting at home and doing the house work is an option?

Maybe if you had any money your wife could stay at home and clean up your tip.

So if the Internet is growing, why is online porn shrinking? If you think boards and sites closing and people jumping ship is a good sign then you really are fooling yourself.

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Jel

#1, your amazement was at someone who had 100k uniques sent to a sponsor in a month, regardless of what the ratio of conversion was (which stemmed from your total disbelief that the whale you started trolling was able to send 1000 joins per month to any particular sponsor, when in fact that was a lowball figure for him). Well done on trying to twist your way out of yet another instance of your total lack of understanding, and comprehension of, what people in this biz are doing every single day/week/month.

#2, plenty of traffic converts at 1:100, you dribbling old cunt

The very fact you posted, as a 'look at me!' badge, you have earned $2m from porn over 34 years shows you up for what you are - a competent photographer who was in the right place at the right time back in 1924, but has zero concept of what the internet has brought about, in terms of a global market. You used to make a good living, I've no doubt about that, but that turned into just a living, and that turned into fuck all. It happens, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but spouting your know-it-all bullshit about how you are retired no wait semi-retired no wait still working no wait still working and so is my wife and living the dream is sad - and I do mean that genuinely. As much of a cunt as I know you are, no person should go through their later years in a state of self-delusion - it's not healthy for the mind nor soul, and *is* sad to see, no matter who the person is.

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one HUNDRED thousand uniques to sponsors per month???? No way, there isn't that much traffic in the whole world!!!

hahahahahahahahafuckinghahahahahaomghahahahaareyou forrealhahahaha

DamianJ

how dreadfully sad. how old is your daughter? and she choses to leave her all day?

shit, if I had a kid that young and was so rich I didn't need to work, I would relish being able to afford to spend all day with her every day. that be rewarding. doing the filing for a lorry driver, not so much.

What do you mean 'if'?

I said it wasn't, I proved it was, then you agreed it was.

It isn't. Not for me. Or my clients. Not for Epoch. You need to learn that just because you fucked up your sites and they don't make any money, the same isn't true for everyone else.

Still, if you think 100k is an inconceivably high amount of traffic, I think I see where your problems stem from.

Paul Markham

Hey Private, stand to attention when you address a senior officer.

What makes you think I did not make a great living shooting porn?

I've been at it 30 years and able to keep the sites open 3 years after stopping. Not the type of job one retires from, it's fun shooting naked girls.

Was running a mail order business and employing people while in the UK.

Ran a large studio, employed people not just studio staff, shot 2000+ sets for magazines in the years 2000 to 2008, sold them all to magazines fro between $1,000 and $5,000 approx, was able to launch the content stores which was a big boost to sales, was able to launch paysites which was a small boost but another one, sold to DVD companies, never had to go for the custom content market that so many shooters online HAD to.

All the above has been proved to be right, you can only guess at the income. But think about while you're polishing your medals. Does that sound like someone who didn't make a good living?

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Jel

Was. Was. Was. Was.

Cool. My Great-Grandad was alive. My Great-Grandma was really pretty. George Best was a great footballer. Gazza was as well. All of which have about as much relevance today, or indeed to an online porn marketing board, as you do

100k? Seriuz? No.....? Dayum!

theking

If you/she had any money to speak of why would "sitting at home and doing the house work" be her only option. She could opt to do what most wives do (a very large range of activities) that have money. In your multitude of posts...through your own statements...you have made it more and more apparent that you have a minimal amount of money available to you...and there is nothing wrong with that...but you prefer to attempt to make everyone believe that you are some kind of wealthy retired person from your 30 plus years of shooting porn...when in reality...garnered from your own words...you did little more than earn a living during those 30 plus years.

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bjlover

No way any mother in the world would rather be cleaning or filling, rather than being at home when children get home from school

Eva works because you need the money

That is a fact, you know it and we all know it. Nothing to be ashamed of, lots of couples have both partners working.

But that is a fact and you know it

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Paul Markham

Now you're going from stupid to insane. Ever heard of school?

Then answer my question.

Prove it, show us pics of your new home in Arundel.

Starting from your low base I can believe that. I explained Epoch's growth, did you miss it?

I don't and explained it. 100k on a free site not paying for porn is a very very easy thing to get. 100k a month going to a paysite to consider buying is tougher, getting 1-100 of the 100k on a freesite is very very hard.

I know a few people who could do 100s of joins a day with massive amounts of traffic. But they were never doing 1-100. And that's the problem, we're discussing whether converting 1% of interested surfers is good or even possible. I know when it was possible. Back in the days of Newsgroups, if we had stayed with that promo model we would still be doing 1% conversion ratios on massive traffic.

Today converting 1-1,000 of porn consumers is not even close to an average. Most dream it was.

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bjlover

So broke your business partner has had to go and get a job.

People with enough money not to work, dont go and get a job filling for lorry drivers

You know it and so does every single person here. YOU KNOW THATS A FACT

Nothing to be ashamed of, but a fact none the less

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Paul Markham

Another idiot jumps in.

Who are you Mr no sig?

And that's the problem, I'm being trolled by a no sig idiot, a guy who clearly hasn't made much and a guy with a site that he's scared to show surfers many sample of.

Good day idiots, keep working.

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bjlover

Thats not the problem, the problem is you are very stupid and very broke

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Jel

haha you sad fuck, you were amazed at 100k to a paysite per month, here it is again:

Looking forward to your next backtrack/twist

ps lulz at the 'internet grind to a halt if a 'spammer' was doing a 100k mailer :D

You might be a cunt, but you're pure comedy gold ;)

DamianJ

Oh I thought she was younger than that.

But still, if you are rich, wouldn't a charity role be actually rewarding, rather than working for a lorry driver as a PA?

And can't she think of stuff to do all day? Fuck Paul, honestly, if I didn't HAVE to work because I was so rich, there is no way I would CHOSE to do a menial PA role. I would be off having fun. All day.

Hehe, just cos I actually 419'd you to post a pic of your crappy, messy, tiny monitored office, you keep doing this.

Why do you think I would post a pic of it? I make no claims about being rich, as you do. I have nothing to prove. You do. But you're still too scared. Bless. Not surprising based on what I've heard.

Oh, that one where you put ccbill.com and epoch.com into Alexa?

Yeah, that made me laugh for about 8 minutes. Thanks. I'd forgotten about it. Very funny.

I read the quote paul. You can keep posting lies about it. But sadly, it's a quote.

Thats because you knew the wrong people. And your sites were never very well designed.

No, we're discussing you claiming that you thought 100k to a sponsor was an incomprehensibly large amount. Bless ya! And how you said the internet wasn't growing.

Many people are doing 1% conversions today.

What are you basing that on?

Jel

Do you seriously *still* believe this? It's not tough at all, for 90% of the affiliates on this board. On any fucking board. Clueless...

DamianJ

The internet would grind to a halt

Fucking lol

bjlover

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Paul Markham

Places I've been to and able to see shooting porn.

And a wet one for Damina.



Eat your hearts out keyboard warriors.

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DamianJ

Is that beasty?

Look at that STUBBLE!

Surely no female human has pubes growing all down her legs? The stubble. Jesus.

Your porn makes a little bit of sick come up in my mouth.

Still, I bet you never had ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND uniques look at that because the internet is shrinking, right?

Still if we are now playing 'post disgusting pictures', how about this one?



Might put it on www.paulmarkhamteens.co.uk

bjlover

Bragging about having to pay to see naked women


Does your life get any sadder?

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Paul Markham

More ugly girls.

Shot by a loser.

A broke loser.

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A wet black one.



Nice enlarged bud here.

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DamianJ

Oh, are we still playing post nasty pictures?

Beat this, Paulie!



PS Bumping your own threads is technically 'lame'.

WarChild

You are making a giant assumption here. You are basing these ratios off your own experience. By all accounts you have no idea about selling porn online. None at all. You've proven that over and over so let's just accept that as fact.

Let's look at some real ratios, just for fun.

For 2011 my OVERALL ratio is 1:496 uniques. I know what you're thinking. I must have some pretty good niched out shit, since there's no way you would be able to do anywhere near that ratio. Just for fun I'll point you at some of the secret programs I use to get great ratios. You've probably never heard of them so take notes:

Top Bucks - 1:920
Nasty Dollars - 1:269
Bang Bros - 1:371
Fuck You Cash - 1:736

Man, I'm dreaming of hitting 1:1000 average! Ready for the worst part? This is going to sting too and I almost feel bad. Those ratios are 100% unfiltered free tube traffic.

So now tell us again how you know best? Your basic assumptions are wrong. No need to dive any deeper in to what you have to say because your arguments are fundamentally flawed Paul.

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Paul Markham

You are making a giant assumption here.

You think I'm talking about clicks to a sponsor.

Go away and figure it out again.

But even on your figures you were convert 4-2296. 0.0017421

And think that's good.

2292 were going to what I'm told are the great online sites and not convinced they were worth $1 a day. Read this thread https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18283609&postcount=12

Even if the ratios are on total surfers and not clicks to a tour. The ratios suck. Then compare them with ratios on a TGP site back in the boom days. 100 sign ups on a gallery that could get 100,000 views. 1-1,000 ratio in the good days. Now consider how many views those videos got to get 1 click to a sponsor.

This is very much the problem today, people only see the tiny fraction of sales and don't thing of the lost sales.

For 2011 my OVERALL ratio is 1:496. You see one sale, I see four hundred and ninety five lost sales. Not all of them are able, but if half are, thats 247 lost sales. We never bothered to figure it out, we just kept throwing more of what was causing the problem at the problem.

Imagine how much you could of earned. Not what you did or do.

Your argument is so flawed it's something I don't understand. How anyone can post that he loses so many potential customers and think it's good is beyond me. The problem is none of you understand how to sell porn.

You don't need to give away porn to sell it, it sold when it was shrink wrapped in plastic. Giving it away decreases sales and doesn't increase sales over all. The opening of new markets by increasing access to porn was nullified by the swathes of free porn given to these consumers.

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The problem is Warchild or of Warchild's making.

The problem is with the whole of online porn and the initial sponsors who thought selling porn was hard and throwing loads of free porn onto the Internet, to throw loads of surfers at tours. Was the way to make multi millions. Undoubtedly a few did.

But they didn't make what they could of made. They saw the small % of sales coming in and ignored the rest. They convinced many people this was how to sell and market porn. Well clearly it wasn't.

The problem is made worse by the number of people who can work in this area of free porn. It doesn't take a lot to be an affiliate, even in the earliest of day it didn't, today it's so easy anyone could do it. Some better than others. And the skills to put together an affiliate program aren't exactly rocket science. Some better than others, however if better is how much free porn you give away and money you spend on it. That seems wrong to me.

Of course to affiliates it seems right, to those who have their living tied up so tightly in this system it seems right. Try convincing any real business man that you only could convert 1-247 of interest people to buy your product and he will tell you something else. Tell him you can only convert 1-1,000 of the consumers of your product and he will tell you your mad.

Now as the Internet is drowning from free porn, people are starting to realise the problem. They blame pirated porn. Yet the blame is free porn in total. Without a lot of laws passed to protect digital producers from piracy online porn is doomed. Without laws to get rid of all the legal free porn online it's going to decline and decline.

the shame is the new people coming online, Damian keeps telling me about them, aren't buying porn in the same numbers as they were or ever would of. They're getting off on the free stuff. We're throwing away $billions to make $millions.

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Jel

hahahahahahahahahahaha

Paul Markham

Thanks for the bump and the informative post Jel.

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Paul Markham

Another great find in the archives. Donna Warner went on to be a good porn star on nothing but her talent to fuck very well and her appetite for sex.



I was the first guy to shoot her naked, but not the first to fuck her. Her appetite for sex was enormous and she knew what she was doing in the sack. Went on to live in the US and became a porn star.

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Glad i've already had my lunch

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