Possible solution to end spam mails, Spammers be afraid... - GoFuckYourself.com

MaDalton · 05-22-2011, 08:56 AM

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Spam
Researchers want to spoil the spam merchants business
Spam Ranking: The nine most common types of spam

Nearly 80 percent of the world sent e-mails are unsolicited junk mail. Provider combat the flood of mail filtering software, now U.S. researchers have an idea for a fundamental solution - they want to start with the banks that handle the spam business.

That was a lot of work: For three months, a research team of Californian and Swedish universities using self-developed software analyzes unwanted advertising mail. The researchers looked at, among other things, to which reference sites, the spam messages, what goods were offered there, and one of which network the advertised online stores. They have also bought from supplier to supplier advertised goods determined (fake watches, software and medication) and then the countries of origin and the payment service provider.

The result of the just-published study: the advertised goods are a handful of spam classified networks. The division of labor provides the study, as a rule like this: the junk mail to send very different people, but they work on commission for far fewer suppliers. The settlement of the purchase, payment and delivery of the advertised goods take a few networks.

Banks in St. Kitts and Azerbaijan

The researchers have given up 76 test orders. The credit card payments transacted a handful of banks. A bank on the Caribbean island of St. Kitts who received the payments for most herbal sexual enhancer and watches imitations, two banks in Azerbaijan and Lithuania were working off the credit card statements for drugs that credit card payments for software were delivered to banks in Russia.

In the multiple orders of the three banks researchers have completed 95 percent of the payments. The scientists suspect that this concentration corresponds to the actual distribution in the sample: "There are thousands of banks, but the number of those actually carrying out high-risk transactions is far lower." Four months after the first test orders, researchers have once again bought a few products advertised in spam messages. Results: Almost all the networks developed payments through the same banks.

From these observations, the researchers deduce that the banks, the scarcest commodity in the value chain from the spam-earners.

The idea of scientists to fight spam: the card-issuing banks in the West to withhold payment for certain transactions where the recipient banks "are known as supporters of spam-advertised products." Such black lists based on fewer test purchases could be created and updated quickly. For many goods advertised via spam (drugs, counterfeit, pirated) could there be a legal basis for such black lists, suggest the researchers.

Read the study here: http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~savage/papers/Oakland11.pdf

PornoStar69 · 05-22-2011, 09:00 AM

who fucking cares

marlboroack · 05-22-2011, 09:05 AM

Your in the industry right? An offer is not a spam. Don't post shit like this, it's fucking ridiculous. There are thousands of "Spam" blocking confirmation server based protectors out there you can choose from to help "limit" the REAL spam like African Pet scams or Western Union YOU WON $10000,0000,000 type scam spam.

From what i know i could be wrong if i say this, but i don't think you have an Affiliate Program. Your in the content making side of business. Your content is being bought just for the Members Areas sites. Mailing is one of the top Converting forums of traffic still alive today that is pretty profitable. There are limits to legal and non legal mailing traffic.

You make your cash from selling your content, we make cash from selling your content if we don't shoot our own. Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole but more than 80% of adult oriented "SPAM" comes from hard working Affiliates Offshore marketing their selected programs which in return benefits both webmasters who bought your content and Affiliates who are selling the content. To me this was a stupid fuckin post on your part.

PS. St. Kitts was epassportes bank

BlackCrayon · 05-22-2011, 09:14 AM

they'll just find other banks, rinse and repeat. i have no problems with spam as long as people are following the laws. that means NO unsolicted without prior contact and no using illegal shit like proxies, fake froms, forged headers, etc. you can't just buy 'double optin' lists either. they didn't optin for your offers, that is unsolicited.

MaDalton · 05-22-2011, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by marlboroack

Your in the industry right? An offer is not a spam. Don't post shit like this, it's fucking ridiculous. There are thousands of "Spam" blocking confirmation server based protectors out there you can choose from to help "limit" the REAL spam like African Pet scams or Western Union YOU WON $10000,0000,000 type scam spam.

From what i know i could be wrong if i say this, but i don't think you have an Affiliate Program. Your in the content making side of business. Your content is being bought just for the Members Areas sites. Mailing is one of the top Converting forums of traffic still alive today that is pretty profitable. There are limits to legal and non legal mailing traffic.

You make your cash from selling your content, we make cash from selling your content if we don't shoot our own. Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole but more than 80% of adult oriented "SPAM" comes from hard working Affiliates Offshore marketing their selected programs which in return benefits both webmasters who bought your content and Affiliates who are selling the content. To me this was a stupid fuckin post on your part.

PS. St. Kitts was epassportes bank

80% of the mails i receive have nothing to do with adult sites but want to sell me watches, viagra and penis extension. you are also smart enough to know that there's a difference between email scraping and double opt-in. and emailing people who agreed to receive newsletters is no spam, therefore i have nothing against that. but i am annoyed by the few hundred mails i get every day that i never agreed to receive.

the personal insults i will ignore, it just shows your character

and PS: i'm sure there's more than one bank on St. Kitts, but if it's the same it just shows what kind of business they run.

SmokeyTheBear · 05-22-2011, 09:28 AM

that solution is silly and won't work.. just makes them less money.. so they will spam more to make up for it

the solution is simple just nobody wants to switch to a new system.

charlie g · 05-22-2011, 09:29 AM

We could eliminate 76.23% of the world spam by breaking sally rand's computer. And as an added bonus internet fraud would decrease by 32.09%. The only downside would be that old geezer tranny forums would lose one of the most prolific posters.

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directfiesta · 05-22-2011, 09:32 AM

Make email a paying service ( like 0.01 each send, with an approved account ) and you will see it go down ...

moeloubani · 05-22-2011, 09:36 AM

David Barsky could clear this up for us, I would love to hear what he says about the situation.

Agent 488 · 05-22-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by marlboroack

Your in the industry right? An offer is not a spam. Don't post shit like this, it's fucking ridiculous. There are thousands of "Spam" blocking confirmation server based protectors out there you can choose from to help "limit" the REAL spam like African Pet scams or Western Union YOU WON $10000,0000,000 type scam spam.

From what i know i could be wrong if i say this, but i don't think you have an Affiliate Program. Your in the content making side of business. Your content is being bought just for the Members Areas sites. Mailing is one of the top Converting forums of traffic still alive today that is pretty profitable. There are limits to legal and non legal mailing traffic.

You make your cash from selling your content, we make cash from selling your content if we don't shoot our own. Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole but more than 80% of adult oriented "SPAM" comes from hard working Affiliates Offshore marketing their selected programs which in return benefits both webmasters who bought your content and Affiliates who are selling the content. To me this was a stupid fuckin post on your part.

PS. St. Kitts was epassportes bank

shut it retard.

SallyRand · 05-22-2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

We could eliminate 76.23% of the world spam by breaking sally rand's computer. And as an added bonus internet fraud would decrease by 32.09%. The only downside would be that old geezer tranny forums would lose one of the most prolific posters.

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Not to put too fine a point on it but fuck you.

charlie g · 05-22-2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Not to put too fine a point on it but fuck you.

hey, thanks spammin' tranny. Have a great day and good luck trying to con grandmas out of their pocket change. Save your money for that sex reassignment procedure SALLY

MaDalton · 05-22-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

that solution is silly and won't work.. just makes them less money.. so they will spam more to make up for it

the solution is simple just nobody wants to switch to a new system.

hit the banks with a 5 million dollar fine everytime they support unsolicited spam and it will go away

but whats your solution?

dropped9 · 05-22-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

shut it retard.

Didnt you leave the forum for good?

SallyRand · 05-22-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

hey, thanks spammin' tranny. Have a great day and good luck trying to con grandmas out of their pocket change. Save your money for that sex reassignment procedure SALLY

My, my!

Off our meds, are we?

Double-opt-in mailing is the only way to go!

100,000 double-opt-ins in a niche market; makes no difference what that market is; spark plugs, software, condoms, a nice little tool kit, a service.....makes no never mind. Those 100,000 people are already on the net, predisposed to buy on the net and have signed up to receive emails outlining your offers, indicating that they have enough interest to complete the signup process.

You have invested in this thing the time and effort to collect the emails, obtaining the product or service for resale, a nifty mailing software; with double-opt-in you don't even need a bulk mail server and of course you must have the ability to write a decent text and the willingness to push the "SEND" button.

100K emails sent to double-opt-in sighups will bring you 5-7% click-throughs.

That's 5,000 to 7,000 purchases and sometimes more if you are selling really good stuff.

If it's a $10 thing, that's $50,000.00 for pushing the send button and could be $70,000.00!

If it's a $50 thing, that's $250,000 at 5% response and $350,000.00 at a 7% response.

And it's all legal, the banks love you, the credit card processors love you, the customer gets a good deal and all involved make money.

You just keep doin' your Google dance, mkay and leave money-making to the pros.

Love Sex · 05-22-2011, 10:24 AM

this is pretty logical, stop them from accepting payments leading to no transactions.

BlackCrayon · 05-22-2011, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

My, my!

Off our meds, are we?

Double-opt-in mailing is the only way to go!

100,000 double-opt-ins in a niche market; makes no difference what that market is; spark plugs, software, condoms, a nice little tool kit, a service.....makes no never mind. Those 100,000 people are already on the net, predisposed to buy on the net and have signed up to receive emails outlining your offers, indicating that they have enough interest to complete the signup process.

You have invested in this thing the time and effort to collect the emails, obtaining the product or service for resale, a nifty mailing software; with double-opt-in you don't even need a bulk mail server and of course you must have the ability to write a decent text and the willingness to push the "SEND" button.

100K emails sent to double-opt-in sighups will bring you 5-7% click-throughs.

That's 5,000 to 7,000 purchases and sometimes more if you are selling really good stuff.

If it's a $10 thing, that's $50,000.00 for pushing the send button and could be $70,000.00!

If it's a $50 thing, that's $250,000 at 5% response and $350,000.00 at a 7% response.

And it's all legal, the banks love you, the credit card processors love you, the customer gets a good deal and all involved make money.

You just keep doin' your Google dance, mkay and leave money-making to the pros.

as long as the people opted in to receive your offers, and wasn't a purchased list where they agreed to someone else's offers. blacklists will still hate you and cause problems, which can cause problems for your hosting and sometims processing though.

SallyRand · 05-22-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

as long as the people opted in to receive your offers, and wasn't a purchased list where they agreed to someone else's offers. blacklists will still hate you and cause problems, which can cause problems for your hosting and sometims processing though.

Depends on the TOS of your signup site and you never, ever; not now, now EVER purchase email lists.

Anyone who has a decent double-opt-in list isn't going to sell it anyway as it's far to valuable to them.

All, repeat ALL email lists being sold are junk; caca, poo-poo, merde; you know!

SHIT!

Now about the TOS of your signup site. If in your TOS you state that you will share the email list with your affiliated companies (All of which you own anyway!) you can then quite legally send from those companies to the double-opt-in signups.

Honor unsubscribe requests, clean you list and keep time-stamped records of subscribes and unsubscribes and you are 100% legal and above board.

They don't call the law "CAN-SPAM" for nothing!

Blacklists will hate you anyway as the antis for the most part are truly psychotic and consider even double-opt-in mailing to be "spam", so you just ignore them and go on down the road, occasionally stopping off at the ATM to pick up some pocket change.

Phoenix · 05-22-2011, 01:20 PM

the problem with "spam" is that a lot of people label something spam..that shouldnt be
you can collect emails the right way, and get permission to email someone in exchange for access to some service etc...and then those people who you gave access turn around and mark you as a spammer when you email them.

why not hold those people liable as well? it makes no sense.
the only way to combat spam is to watch your own shit...i mark stuff as spam in thunderbird, and these days i just press mass delete of stuff marked junk..it leaves me with about 5 emails to delete after that

also i make rules for all emails i get...so they are sorted right away

charlie g · 05-22-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

My, my!

Off our meds, are we?

Double-opt-in mailing is the only way to go!

100,000 double-opt-ins in a niche market; makes no difference what that market is; spark plugs, software, condoms, a nice little tool kit, a service.....makes no never mind. Those 100,000 people are already on the net, predisposed to buy on the net and have signed up to receive emails outlining your offers, indicating that they have enough interest to complete the signup process.

You have invested in this thing the time and effort to collect the emails, obtaining the product or service for resale, a nifty mailing software; with double-opt-in you don't even need a bulk mail server and of course you must have the ability to write a decent text and the willingness to push the "SEND" button.

100K emails sent to double-opt-in sighups will bring you 5-7% click-throughs.

That's 5,000 to 7,000 purchases and sometimes more if you are selling really good stuff.

If it's a $10 thing, that's $50,000.00 for pushing the send button and could be $70,000.00!

If it's a $50 thing, that's $250,000 at 5% response and $350,000.00 at a 7% response.

And it's all legal, the banks love you, the credit card processors love you, the customer gets a good deal and all involved make money.

You just keep doin' your Google dance, mkay and leave money-making to the pros.

You talk a mean game ma'am, but we have heard of your methods. Go back to pushing your phony c-corps.

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SallyRand · 05-22-2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

You talk a mean game ma'am, but we have heard of your methods. Go back to pushing your phony c-corps.

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Fuck you!

Just what are my "methods" and just how in the fuck are you going to show that they are indeed MY "methods"?

And just WHERE did you hear of these things?

Calling you out!

I call for PROOF OR BAN YOUR ASS!

I also call for the definition of "spam" to be RESTRICTED to the definition included in the CAN-SPAM ACT of 2003.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/spam-unwan...ges-and-e-mail

I defy your fuckface ass to PROVE that I have EVER sent so much as a SINGLE unwanted commercial email.

Get busy asshole as you got a long way to go on a losing road.

Where is my ROKSO listing?

oh wait

don't know what ROKSO is?

Why should I not be surprised????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROKSO:

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/

How about SPAMHAUS?

http://www.spamhaus.org/index.lasso

And I further DEFY you to show that any corporation which I am paid to establish is of lesser quality or character than one set up by such as Legal Zoom, etc.

Both Legal Zoom and myself use THE SAME FUCKING ONLINE FORM, DIPSHIT!

I just charge less.............................................. .................................................. ..........

Get your pathetic, whining, hateful ass busy so that you can be shown up to all who observe just what kind of piece of shit you really are!

I want you to SHOW THE GFY COMMUNITY wherein I have EVER sent so much as ONE SINGLE UNWANTED EMAIL OR ONE SINGLE EMAIL IN VIOLATION OF THE CAN-SPAM ACT OF 2003!

OK, fucker; the ball is in your court and I will be contacting the ADMIN of GFY when you fail to PROVE your pitiful allegations, as you will.

Have a nice day and:

MaDalton · 05-23-2011, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Fuck you!

Just what are my "methods" and just how in the fuck are you going to show that they are indeed MY "methods"?

And just WHERE did you hear of these things?

Calling you out!

I call for PROOF OR BAN YOUR ASS!

I also call for the definition of "spam" to be RESTRICTED to the definition included in the CAN-SPAM ACT of 2003.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/spam-unwan...ges-and-e-mail

I defy your fuckface ass to PROVE that I have EVER sent so much as a SINGLE unwanted commercial email.

Get busy asshole as you got a long way to go on a losing road.

Where is my ROKSO listing?

oh wait

don't know what ROKSO is?

Why should I not be surprised????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROKSO:

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/

How about SPAMHAUS?

http://www.spamhaus.org/index.lasso

And I further DEFY you to show that any corporation which I am paid to establish is of lesser quality or character than one set up by such as Legal Zoom, etc.

Both Legal Zoom and myself use THE SAME FUCKING ONLINE FORM, DIPSHIT!

I just charge less.............................................. .................................................. ..........

Get your pathetic, whining, hateful ass busy so that you can be shown up to all who observe just what kind of piece of shit you really are!

I want you to SHOW THE GFY COMMUNITY wherein I have EVER sent so much as ONE SINGLE UNWANTED EMAIL OR ONE SINGLE EMAIL IN VIOLATION OF THE CAN-SPAM ACT OF 2003!

OK, fucker; the ball is in your court and I will be contacting the ADMIN of GFY when you fail to PROVE your pitiful allegations, as you will.

Have a nice day and:

you got serious issues, dude

charlie g · 05-23-2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

Fuck you!

Just what are my "methods" and just how in the fuck are you going to show that they are indeed MY "methods"?

And just WHERE did you hear of these things?

Calling you out!

I call for PROOF OR BAN YOUR ASS!

I also call for the definition of "spam" to be RESTRICTED to the definition included in the CAN-SPAM ACT of 2003.

http://www.fcc.gov/guides/spam-unwan...ges-and-e-mail

I defy your fuckface ass to PROVE that I have EVER sent so much as a SINGLE unwanted commercial email.

Get busy asshole as you got a long way to go on a losing road.

Where is my ROKSO listing?

oh wait

don't know what ROKSO is?

Why should I not be surprised????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROKSO:

http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/

How about SPAMHAUS?

http://www.spamhaus.org/index.lasso

And I further DEFY you to show that any corporation which I am paid to establish is of lesser quality or character than one set up by such as Legal Zoom, etc.

Both Legal Zoom and myself use THE SAME FUCKING ONLINE FORM, DIPSHIT!

I just charge less.............................................. .................................................. ..........

Get your pathetic, whining, hateful ass busy so that you can be shown up to all who observe just what kind of piece of shit you really are!

I want you to SHOW THE GFY COMMUNITY wherein I have EVER sent so much as ONE SINGLE UNWANTED EMAIL OR ONE SINGLE EMAIL IN VIOLATION OF THE CAN-SPAM ACT OF 2003!

OK, fucker; the ball is in your court and I will be contacting the ADMIN of GFY when you fail to PROVE your pitiful allegations, as you will.

Have a nice day and:

HA HA you are one pathetic conniving piece of shit Marion. You have been busted here just like the dozens of other forums you have posted your drivel.

Case in point, and mind you I could post dozens of links testifying that you are a grade "A" dickweed. ~~~http://www.webservertalk.com/archive...6-1895072.html

So I will reiterate- we are familiar with your methods Nick Danger. You should be banned for being a self-important bag of wind and a third degree scumbag

BAKO · 05-23-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoStar69

who fucking cares

Markul · 05-23-2011, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SallyRand

My, my!

Off our meds, are we?

Double-opt-in mailing is the only way to go!

100,000 double-opt-ins in a niche market; makes no difference what that market is; spark plugs, software, condoms, a nice little tool kit, a service.....makes no never mind. Those 100,000 people are already on the net, predisposed to buy on the net and have signed up to receive emails outlining your offers, indicating that they have enough interest to complete the signup process.

You have invested in this thing the time and effort to collect the emails, obtaining the product or service for resale, a nifty mailing software; with double-opt-in you don't even need a bulk mail server and of course you must have the ability to write a decent text and the willingness to push the "SEND" button.

100K emails sent to double-opt-in sighups will bring you 5-7% click-throughs.

That's 5,000 to 7,000 purchases and sometimes more if you are selling really good stuff.

If it's a $10 thing, that's $50,000.00 for pushing the send button and could be $70,000.00!

If it's a $50 thing, that's $250,000 at 5% response and $350,000.00 at a 7% response.

And it's all legal, the banks love you, the credit card processors love you, the customer gets a good deal and all involved make money.

You just keep doin' your Google dance, mkay and leave money-making to the pros.

Got any advice on mainstream sponsors to use for this shit?

SallyRand · 05-23-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul

Got any advice on mainstream sponsors to use for this shit?

Actually most mainstream sponsor love CAN-SPAM compliant mailers but a few absolutley prohibit any kind of mailing at all in marketing their programs. You need to check the sponsor's TOS and if you have any doubts or questions, just give an affiliate manager a call to get things settled.

SallyRand · 05-27-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

HA HA you are one pathetic conniving piece of shit Marion. You have been busted here just like the dozens of other forums you have posted your drivel.

Case in point, and mind you I could post dozens of links testifying that you are a grade "A" dickweed. ~~~http://www.webservertalk.com/archive...6-1895072.html

So I will reiterate- we are familiar with your methods Nick Danger. You should be banned for being a self-important bag of wind and a third degree scumbag

I gave a lot of though to responding to charlieg but decided that I am tired of his shit and the shit of others. I am tired of stupid shit, so here we go and we will let the chips fall where they may.

To charlieg:

And I reiterate that you are dumber than a box of rocks.

And..just who is "we", anyway? You got a fucking mouse in your pocket or a hamster up your ass?

When asked for proof of your pitiful and insane allegations, you merely show four year-old posts from a screwball anti's blog and have yet to give the Gentle Readers a speicific example.

charlieg has linked to fucking BLOG posts; mostly made up by aonymous persons.

charlieg has been challenged to show a single ISP suspension for "spamming" and has failed to do so.

charlieg has failed to show that I have or have ever had a ROKSO (Spamhaus) listing of any kind and he/she/it cannot show such a thing because I do not have nor have I ever had such a listingand I think fucking SPAMHAUS would know!

charlieg has been challenged to show one single fucking verified "spam" (As defined by the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003) brought against myself or ANY of my businesses; ongoing or discontinued.

And those "press releases" charlieg's equally insane anti buddy metnioined in his blog?

Let's see one. Just one. Only one.

charlieg can't do it because no such "press releases" exist and never have.

I am often amused by those who point to the little stock spam tome and shout out how that for anyone to have written that one, the author had to be doing stock spam! What a bunch of pathetic losers! The referenced article was actually based on two ditties about stock spam found in a Google search; most notably this article which appeared in the BBC online, reprinted below the link for the Search Disabled among you:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5284618.stm

"BBC NEWS
Spammers manipulate stock markets
Spam messages that tout stocks and shares can have real effects on the markets, a study suggests.

E-mails typically promote penny shares in the hope of convincing people to buy into a company to raise its price.

People who respond to the "pump and dump" scam can lose 8% of their investment in two days.

Conversely, the spammers who buy low-priced stock before sending the e-mails, typically see a return of between 4.9% and 6% when they sell.

The study recently published on the Social Science Research Network say their conclusions prove the hypothesis that spammers "buy low and spam high".

The researchers say that approximately 730 million spam e-mails are sent every week, 15% of which tout stocks. Other estimates of spam volumes are far higher.

Mass marketing

The study, by Professor Laura Frieder of Purdue University in the US and Professor Jonathan Zittrain from Oxford University's Internet Institute in the UK, analysed more than 75,000 unsolicited e-mails.

All of the messages touting stocks and shares were sent between January 2004 and July 2005.

? Our analysis shows that spam works ?
Professors Frieder and Zittrain

The e-mail messages had either been received by Professor Zittrain or been posted on a newsgroup, known as Nanas.

Nanas is used to alert network administrators about new spam messages and the action they can take against them.

The researchers were then able to compare the estimated size of an e-mail campaign with trading activity and share prices immediately before and after the first arrival of a spam message.

The team found that a spammer who bought shares the day before starting an e-mail campaign and then sold them the day after could make a return on his or her investment of 4.9%.

"If he or she were to be a particularly effective spammer, returns to this strategy would be roughly 6%," they wrote.

Conversely, if someone who received the message chose to invest $1000 (£530) in a promoted company they would be left with $947.50 after two days.

Victims of a large e-mail campaign could be left with $930 after two days.

On average a victim loses $52.50 for every $1000 invested.

However, real losses would be even greater, the team suggest, because the victim would also have had to have paid fees to buy and sell the shares.

"Our analysis shows that spam works," the team wrote.

"Among its millions of recipients are not only those who read it, but who also act upon it"

Security firms advise e-mail users to install a spam filter, delete unsolicited messages and never to respond to offers.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...gy/5284618.stm

Published: 2006/08/25 11:10:42 GMT"

And this one, again reprinted for the non-cut-and-pasate crowd:

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tzink/archiv...31/684685.aspx

"Dow Theory and stock spam
tzink
31 Jul 2006 8:43 PM

One of the things I do in my spare time is trade stocks on the stock market. With all of the stock spam we (ie, customers) receive I wondered if there were any applications to the market and market theory.

Something I have learned about in the past two years of trading is Dow Theory. Dow Theory has six theorems and I would agree with all of them. I won't go into the full theory here, but I want to allude to theorem 6, that "trends exist until definitive signals prove that they have ended."

Stock spam attempts to sucker investors in by preaching that a certain penny stock is about to explode. The spammer has shares in the company and when the general public plows their money into the stock, the price of it shoots up. Since penny stocks are highly illiquid and cheap, investors figure they can buy a lot of shares, wait for the price to go up and then get out at the top (since the stock is about to explode). This never works for a couple of reasons.

First, it assumes that investors actually will get out after they have increased their money after a short period of time. Personally, I find it incredibly difficult to get out after a quick profit because I find myself always wanting more. I find it extremely doubtful that people who buy stocks from a pump and dump stock scam actually would have the personal discipline to get out quickly, because if they really were disciplined they would not have gotten into the stock in the first place.

Second, and this is the real problem for investors, it assumes that they actually can get out quickly after the price shoots up. Penny stocks, as I said above, are highly illiquid. These means that it is difficult to get one's money in and out with driving up or down the price of the stock. If a person buys 1000 shares of a stock that normally trades 100 shares per day then when they get in, they will drive the price up. When they get out, they will drive the price down. It's a losing proposition in both directions. What's worse, they may even have trouble liquidating their positions.

How this fits into Dow Theory is that one of its corollaries is that manipulation of the long term trend is impossible. According to Dow Theory, there are three trends - the first is the short term trend, lasting days to weeks. The second is the intermediate trend, lasting weeks to months, and the third and most important trend in the primary trend, lasting months to years. While it may be possible to manipulate the short-term trend and maybe even the intermediate trend, the primary trend cannot be manipulated.

What this means for penny stock investors is that if you pile into a stock and the price shoots up, as soon as that demand goes down the stock will go back to where it was before everyone piled in and resume doing what it was already doing. If the stock was moving no where for years, it will go back into the trading range and resume going no where for years. If the stock was in a down trend it will retreat back into the down trend. Hoping for a big pop and then getting out may prove difficult, and holding on for the long term is an even worse proposition. Do not buy stocks in stock spam; it's pretty much guaranteed not to work."

Writing a cogent article got the author tagged as a "Rampant Internatnional Criminal Stock Spammer"( Evidently the BBC also knows so mouch about stock spam that it must also be a "Rampant Criminal Stock Spammer"!)!

Now if charlieg has an issue with the "Nick Danger" persona, charlieg might just Google a term like "spamgossip" and see where it takes him. Or anyone might. Hesitant to post direct links as I'm not sure exactly how the GFY rules apply, so if that suggestion doesn't work for you, try Googleing:

"Nick Danger Spamgossip" and a couple of things will happen.

Everyone will then know what the "Nick Danger" profile was all about and charlieg will be shown up as the pathetic asshole that he really is.

If "charlieg" fails to meet the challenges I have put up to him, in that "charlieg" has failed to prove any of the allegations he/she/it has made against me, instead choosing to provide only unvalidated fucking BLOG links, all of which are without foundation, I call for:

PROOF OR BAN of charlieg!

charlie g · 05-27-2011, 06:56 PM

WTF, you put me to sleep reading this bullshit. Ban me or not, your posts are proof you are a blowhard dipshit.

rowan · 05-27-2011, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Make email a paying service ( like 0.01 each send, with an approved account ) and you will see it go down ...

There's been a proposal to make sending spam "expensive" but with a different currency - CPU power. The receiving server will not accept the mail until the sending server solves a challenge problem that is sufficiently computationally complex that it takes a relatively long amount of time... so the server may only be able to send 5 mails a second instead of 500.

Not sure it would work in the real world though, the spammers would find some way to offload the calcs. Maybe through their botnet, or embedded into javascript on a high traffic site...

It's also something that wouldn't work until EVERYONE supported it, but there's no real incentive to change over. Just like IPv6.

Internet User · 05-28-2011, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dropped9

Didnt you leave the forum for good?

Didn't you?

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=587867

Idiot.

onwebcam · 06-03-2011, 12:50 AM

This is silly. Reminds me of the days of spews blocking entire ip classes. Luckily those guys were in hiding because a lot of legit business owners got burned because of them (me included) and wanted their heads.

DamianJ · 06-03-2011, 04:51 AM

I saw something yesterday about 90% of spam commerce is processed by just 3 banks.

05-22-2011, 09:00 AM	#2
PornoStar69 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: xxweekxx mothers bed. Posts: 2,036	who fucking cares __________________ GFY King?

05-22-2011, 09:05 AM	#3
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	Your in the industry right? An offer is not a spam. Don't post shit like this, it's fucking ridiculous. There are thousands of "Spam" blocking confirmation server based protectors out there you can choose from to help "limit" the REAL spam like African Pet scams or Western Union YOU WON $10000,0000,000 type scam spam. From what i know i could be wrong if i say this, but i don't think you have an Affiliate Program. Your in the content making side of business. Your content is being bought just for the Members Areas sites. Mailing is one of the top Converting forums of traffic still alive today that is pretty profitable. There are limits to legal and non legal mailing traffic. You make your cash from selling your content, we make cash from selling your content if we don't shoot our own. Sorry if this makes me sound like an asshole but more than 80% of adult oriented "SPAM" comes from hard working Affiliates Offshore marketing their selected programs which in return benefits both webmasters who bought your content and Affiliates who are selling the content. To me this was a stupid fuckin post on your part. PS. St. Kitts was epassportes bank Last edited by marlboroack; 05-22-2011 at 09:08 AM..

05-22-2011, 09:14 AM	#4
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	they'll just find other banks, rinse and repeat. i have no problems with spam as long as people are following the laws. that means NO unsolicted without prior contact and no using illegal shit like proxies, fake froms, forged headers, etc. you can't just buy 'double optin' lists either. they didn't optin for your offers, that is unsolicited. __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

05-22-2011, 09:28 AM	#6
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	that solution is silly and won't work.. just makes them less money.. so they will spam more to make up for it the solution is simple just nobody wants to switch to a new system. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

05-22-2011, 09:29 AM	#7
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,759	We could eliminate 76.23% of the world spam by breaking sally rand's computer. And as an added bonus internet fraud would decrease by 32.09%. The only downside would be that old geezer tranny forums would lose one of the most prolific posters. . __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

05-22-2011, 09:32 AM	#8
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Punta Cana, DR Posts: 29,591	Make email a paying service ( like 0.01 each send, with an approved account ) and you will see it go down ... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

05-22-2011, 09:36 AM	#9
moeloubani Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario Posts: 4,235	David Barsky could clear this up for us, I would love to hear what he says about the situation.

05-22-2011, 10:24 AM	#16
Love Sex Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,905	this is pretty logical, stop them from accepting payments leading to no transactions.

05-22-2011, 01:20 PM	#19
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,457	the problem with "spam" is that a lot of people label something spam..that shouldnt be you can collect emails the right way, and get permission to email someone in exchange for access to some service etc...and then those people who you gave access turn around and mark you as a spammer when you email them. why not hold those people liable as well? it makes no sense. the only way to combat spam is to watch your own shit...i mark stuff as spam in thunderbird, and these days i just press mass delete of stuff marked junk..it leaves me with about 5 emails to delete after that also i make rules for all emails i get...so they are sorted right away __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

05-22-2011, 08:36 PM	#21
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	Talk about knocking out the oxygen source. Should be interesting to see if this gets implemented on a wide scale. Looking For MAINSTREAM AFFILIATES? We have a 5000+ prospective affiliates on our mailing list--let us FEATURE YOUR PROGRAM for cheap! 50% OFF Your First Month's Hosting Bill - Coupon: AMERINOC$5 ICQ:228809744 - YIM - webmasterlabor - AIM - weblabor2

05-27-2011, 06:56 PM	#29
charlie g Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Center of the Universe Posts: 2,759	WTF, you put me to sleep reading this bullshit. Ban me or not, your posts are proof you are a blowhard dipshit. __________________ AlanAgus1 at gmail dot com -------------------------------

06-03-2011, 12:50 AM	#32
onwebcam Fake Nick 1.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rent free, your head Posts: 27,660	This is silly. Reminds me of the days of spews blocking entire ip classes. Luckily those guys were in hiding because a lot of legit business owners got burned because of them (me included) and wanted their heads. __________________ PLEASE WAIT WHILE BIDEN ADMIN UNINSTALLS ITSELF..... ██████████████████▒ 99.5% complete.

06-03-2011, 04:51 AM	#33
DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	I saw something yesterday about 90% of spam commerce is processed by just 3 banks.