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CurrentlySober · 04-11-2011, 05:02 AM

Fiddy non events!

Barefootsies · 04-11-2011, 05:06 AM

There are still plenty of people interested in this type of thing. Good luck sport.

DamianJ · 04-11-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

There are still plenty of people interested in this type of thing. Good luck sport.

You can't learn from books. Everyone knows that.

tabasco · 04-11-2011, 05:13 AM

I would like to read about Magic Join Links. I feel these are the key to defeating tube sites.

There should be at least one FULL CHAPTER devoted to this!

Barefootsies · 04-11-2011, 05:15 AM

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You can't learn from books. Everyone knows that.

I guess we should scrap the whole education system in both your, and my, countries then.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 05:20 AM

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I guess we should scrap the whole education system in both your, and my, countries then.

Books on most things are a gide. But you can learn reading, history, geography, maths and so many things from books.

However with skills like porn, photography of humans, driving a car, etc. Until you actually get out there and do it you only have the basics. Did Damian learn his magic tricks ONLY from books. Or did he practice and practice until he got it right?

He probably learnt marketing from a mail order course, which is why he sucks at it.

DamianJ · 04-11-2011, 05:28 AM

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Books on most things are a gide.

Like a dictionary is a guide for spelling?

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But you can learn reading, history, geography, maths and so many things from books.

Right, so you were lying when you said you couldn't learn from books?

Again.

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However with skills like porn, photography of humans, driving a car, etc. Until you actually get out there and do it you only have the basics.

So there is no point you pretending to write this pdf or pretending there is a publisher for it (that was FUCKING funny man)?

Cool.

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Did Damian learn his magic tricks ONLY from books.

Yes. Go to any magic forum and ask if it is good to learn magic from books.

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Or did he practice and practice until he got it right?

I learned from books. Lots and lots of books. If you're interested, start with Royal Road or Card College, then progress to Erdnase, Harry Lorayne and finally Dai Vernon.

Practice is something you do AFTER you have learnt from the book.

It's a multistage process.

Seriously, have you never learned ANYTHING from a book? Ever?

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He probably learnt marketing from a mail order course, which is why he sucks at it.

I find this hard to believe paul! ANOTHER baseless personal attack. AGAIN breaking the rules. Gosh, you are GREAT FUN today man, really. Try and make a point WITHOUT the personal attacks.

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 05:33 AM

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Yes a lot of it is about how to prevent or cope with a disaster. If a key light goes, you have 2 options. Start again or use the spare light you have with you. This has happened to me and I learnt by mistakes. If you're selling to a magazine or video company you can't keep going on. Unless you want to lose money.

This would be a crucial subject, when NOT to shoot. Alot of people starting out shooting content would just press ahead and make do, but obviously theres a point where you have to scrap the shoot or lose money and make your work suffer.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 05:34 AM

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We do not aspire to be at your "top table" we are in a different house...

Professional meaning that you earn money from photography, it does not mean the photography is good, creative or interesting. Wedding photographers, passport photographers, police photographers. mayfair photographers all have to make routine photos of the same tech standards within narrow margins.

I do not mind people criticising our site, but my critique would be more severe than theirs-
That is because I know what is wrong, the compromises that have to be made with a very small crew and shooting 20 minutes a day instead of 2 minutes.

Yes I'm a professional who shoots porn for profit, you seem to be like an amateur who shoots for fun.

The things I critisised like cropping were real basics. You either cut the girls whole foot off or you include all the foot, you don't just cut off the toes. If when you're shooting the girl isn't fitting into the frame you ask her to pull her foot in. Same goes for shaving an albow or side of the leg/arm. Move the girl or come out in the frame.

As for posing I see you just include the same poses we all do. There are 27 basic poses. And from there on it's all variations. You got some of them wrong.

Wedding photographers can be very creative, it depends what you're paying them. Look at Lord Lichfield's wedding photography.

The magazines sold in there 10,000s to 100,000s. They used different shooters in each magazine. So to get a different view point of the same niche/style. Colby never shot like Thomas, who never shot like Medland and none of them shot like me.

Different girls, locations and styles. There fore the magazine was kept varied. Just because you found them boring doesn't mean the millions of magazines readers thought so.

When will you get it?

I'M NOT A PHOTOGRAPHER. I'M A PORNOGRAPHER

Two entirely different things. So stop talking about photography or me being a photographer. It's pornography and pornographer.

Nice picture.

Bill paying porn. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherry7

PAUL MARKHAM

Cinema Erotique

I do not mind people criticising our site, but my critique would be more severe than theirs-
That is because I know what is wrong, the compromises that have to be made with a very small crew and shooting 20 minutes a day instead of 2 minutes.

You just made a fatal mistake.

This is the world of porn.

Two of Markham's images (the bottom 2) get me aroused while NONE of your images do anything for me. You're trying to be slick and cute while missing the FAP factor entirely.
Make the girl look like a fuckable hottie, don't make her look like a piece of art

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

This would be a crucial subject, when NOT to shoot. Alot of people starting out shooting content would just press ahead and make do, but obviously theres a point where you have to scrap the shoot or lose money and make your work suffer.

Yes.

Today one of the problems is sponsors will take crap. The models and shooters know it and there's no real love put into the work very often.

I worked in a market that if it wasn't good enough it didn't sell. You lost money.

Barefootsies · 04-11-2011, 05:44 AM

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Books on most things are a gide. But you can learn reading, history, geography, maths and so many things from books.

Right. They are a guide. A starting point. I did not say they were the end all be all.

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However with skills like porn, photography of humans, driving a car, etc. Until you actually get out there and do it you only have the basics.

I believe that is called, 'application' of what you have learned from the books. Also known as practicing. Through application of knowledge you acquire wisdom.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-11-2011, 06:35 AM

I'd like to see it shot by someone who shoots amazing looking content. Maybe DeanCapture should write a book.

DamianJ · 04-11-2011, 06:37 AM

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I'd like to see it shot by someone who shoots amazing looking content. Maybe DeanCapture should write a book.

Difference is, Dean sells information like this.

Paul can't even give it away.

Cherry7 · 04-11-2011, 06:55 AM

You are not a photographer but you are writing a book on how to photograph..

Maybe your book should start with the advice....

Hire a good photographer.

As the audience we cater to likes our photography and films, and they tell us that

http://www.usreviewingthings.com/ind...-erotique.html

I think we will continue to do what we are doing... and yes it is fun what we do, and it does make money...

But I am not here trying to teach people,

It is sad to see someone spreading false information, like you can't change lenses on a DSLR, you can't learn from books...

DamianJ · 04-11-2011, 06:58 AM

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It is sad to see someone spreading false information, like you can't change lenses on a DSLR, you can't learn from books...

Get used to that with Paul's posts. He just lies pretty much all day long.

I guess if you get to his age and have to put your wife (who is meant to be a good shooter) out to work as a secretary, things are tough.

No wonder he's too ashamed to post a pic of his house!

Grapesoda · 04-11-2011, 07:05 AM

Paul, good luck on yer ebook... some unasked for advice: probably be best NOT to talk down to your audience like you do here at GFY about your skills set and the good old days and how nobody did/does it better and the new shooters couldn't make it 'back then' and they all suck etc.... just a thought...

Grapesoda · 04-11-2011, 07:09 AM

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You are not a photographer

I create 7,000 images a week, 4 hours of video... I'm not a photographer... though I do use cameras. I'm a producer and I shoot for members, not other photgraphers... while your work is interesting I haven't seen anything that the membership base I shoot for would really go ballistic over... soft core isn't really selling that well in most areas... even metart had to go open leg/closeups to convert/retain

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 07:53 AM

the trolls are on the prowl today, you can virtually smell the fear they have whenever someone wants to do something they can't do themselves...pathetic really.

In any case a key part of such a book would be how to get the models comfortable and in the mood. This is one thing that you can see lacking in alot of content, the models appear bored or just plain not into the scene which does do alot for the porn factor.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-11-2011, 07:56 AM

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Difference is, Dean sells information like this.

Paul can't even give it away.

I suspect Dean could actually get a print book published on the subject if he really wanted to.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life · 04-11-2011, 07:58 AM

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the trolls are on the prowl today, you can virtually smell the fear they have whenever someone wants to do something they can't do themselves...pathetic really.

y'all niggaz been postin in a troll thread right from the start.

DamianJ · 04-11-2011, 07:58 AM

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the trolls are on the prowl today, you can virtually smell the fear they have whenever someone wants to do something they can't do themselves...pathetic really.

When you say 'fear' if you mean 'laughter' then I agree!

Do you think it's a good idea to say you can't learn from books in a thread where you are lying pretending you are going to create a book?

And rather than being scared to put my free ideas in an ebook that no one will download, I put them on a blog where everyone can see them. www.adultmarketing.co.uk - you'd love it.

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In any case a key part of such a book would be how to get the models comfortable and in the mood. This is one thing that you can see lacking in alot* of content, the models appear bored or just plain not into the scene which does do alot* for the porn factor.

I'd say the key part of the (totally made up and never going to happen) book is not to post that you cannot learn anything from books.

It's cool you are helping him with his delusions by actually thinking it will happen.

*http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.co...verything.html

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 08:07 AM

On the other hand the subject of model release forms gets a little tricky because if you get into content shooting it's imperative to consult with an entertainment lawyer with knowledge in that particular area and with the laws of that country or region, so that section is best left to "Consult with your lawyer" imo.

Grapesoda · 04-11-2011, 08:45 AM

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In any case a key part of such a book would be how to get the models comfortable and in the mood. This is one thing that you can see lacking in alot of content, the models appear bored or just plain not into the scene which does do alot for the porn factor.

that's pure personality of the shooters.... can't learn that from a book... you either have it or you don't

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 09:33 AM

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that's pure personality of the shooters.... can't learn that from a book... you either have it or you don't

So you think some magical fairy came down and gave you this skill?

No you learned it. And by learning it you may choose to keep it to yourself or in the case of a how to book impart that wisdom to others. Obviously a book only goes so far, practical experience is a must but regardless pointers in model psychology can be taught.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 11:51 AM

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I'd like to see it shot by someone who shoots amazing looking content. Maybe DeanCapture should write a book.

Dean to my knowledge has never consistently shot for any offline porn companies.

Agent 488 · 04-11-2011, 12:04 PM

dean capture never shot for a print magazine in the age of computers and internet therefore he sucks.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 01:12 PM

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dean capture never shot for a print magazine in the age of computers and internet therefore he sucks.

No Dean shot in the days of magazines buying digital equipment. There's a much easier reason to work out why Dean never sold sets for $3,000 non exclusive and had to sell for a lot less exclusive.

Doubt if you will figure it out though.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

the trolls are on the prowl today, you can virtually smell the fear they have whenever someone wants to do something they can't do themselves...pathetic really.

In any case a key part of such a book would be how to get the models comfortable and in the mood. This is one thing that you can see lacking in alot of content, the models appear bored or just plain not into the scene which does do alot for the porn factor.

Yes, so many trolls who have never shot a set, telling a guy who shot and sold 3,000, to markets none of them would get pass the receptionist, that he's clueless.

Guess that's the state of the Internet. Failures bolstering each other egos.

I'm being trolled by a guy we all know lives in a dump and thinks looking like a drunk idiot is cool marketing.

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On the other hand the subject of model release forms gets a little tricky because if you get into content shooting it's imperative to consult with an entertainment lawyer with knowledge in that particular area and with the laws of that country or region, so that section is best left to "Consult with your lawyer" imo.

Will be covered and samples offered.

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that's pure personality of the shooters.... can't learn that from a book... you either have it or you don't

Spot on. Guys who talk about shooters being shooter to get laid are stupid. We can get laid without having to spend $500-$1,000 on a days work.

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So you think some magical fairy came down and gave you this skill?

No you learned it. And by learning it you may choose to keep it to yourself or in the case of a how to book impart that wisdom to others. Obviously a book only goes so far, practical experience is a must but regardless pointers in model psychology can be taught.

It was something I inherited from my Father. Honed the skills while I was a teenager. By the time I was 27, in 1977, I had it down pat.

Of course learned to hone the skills and will give guidelines for people to spot the different characters, moods and how to deal with them.

fatfoo · 04-11-2011, 01:28 PM

This looks like an interesting read. It's good to know where products and services can be bought and for how much. It's interesting to read about how to improve working with people.

papill0n · 04-11-2011, 01:48 PM

christ you are a train wreck

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 02:01 PM

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Yes, so many trolls who have never shot a set, telling a guy who shot and sold 3,000, to markets none of them would get pass the receptionist, that he's clueless.

Guess that's the state of the Internet. Failures bolstering each other egos.

Aye Paul that is the truth. I bought sets from you way back in the day and even somewhat recently and they've all made me money because people love the stuff. It's that simple.
Unfortunately GFY is infested with loser dimwits who have no clue and no respect for people who have done more in the biz in a year than they will do in their entire lives, that is if they are even in the biz...you have to wonder sometimes with these loser trolls.

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Of course learned to hone the skills and will give guidelines for people to spot the different characters, moods and how to deal with them.

That is exactly what is needed in a guide like this, some crucial stuff.

Paul Markham · 04-11-2011, 02:16 PM

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Aye Paul that is the truth. I bought sets from you way back in the day and even somewhat recently and they've all made me money because people love the stuff. It's that simple.
Unfortunately GFY is infested with loser dimwits who have no clue and no respect for people who have done more in the biz in a year than they will do in their entire lives, that is if they are even in the biz...you have to wonder sometimes with these loser trolls.

This is an industry that decided to make a crap product with awful conversion rates. Because of the awful conversion rates they decided to spend a fortune on driving traffic, by giving away free porn. And then spent the next 12+ years leap frogging each other to see who could spend the most to give away the most free content.

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That is exactly what is needed in a guide like this, some crucial stuff.

Yess will go into that in some detail. The best way is to spot the girls worth the trouble in a casting and gave lots of tips about that.

Tougher to tell a girl to go home when she's booked for a shoot and turned up pissed off, scared or trying to be the boss. There are tons of things you can find out on a casting. Makes life easier. But I appreciate some can't work that way and will cover how to deal with that situation.

Like how to get rid of the BF, manager, pimp, agent, etc.

Caligari · 04-11-2011, 02:39 PM

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Yess will go into that in some detail. The best way is to spot the girls worth the trouble in a casting and gave lots of tips about that.

Tougher to tell a girl to go home when she's booked for a shoot and turned up pissed off, scared or trying to be the boss. There are tons of things you can find out on a casting. Makes life easier. But I appreciate some can't work that way and will cover how to deal with that situation.

Like how to get rid of the BF, manager, pimp, agent, etc.

That chapter alone would be worth it-

You might also consider a version with photos which illustrate what you are talking about. More costly sure but alot of people like pics and you have enough to do a great job of showing things like lighting, model poses, etc.

AmeliaG · 04-11-2011, 02:54 PM

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You missed the point. You told me that with DSLRs you don't change lenses...

Quite a shocking statement for someone who...

1) Says you cannot learn from books
2) cannot learn from courses
3) is about to write a book to teach us all.

I do not have any ambition to teach people here how to do anything and consider our site to be on the fringe of porn...

If people ask for an opinion I will willingly add my 2 cents....

You have this theory that there is a subject separate from photography and film making call porn. I would only agree in the same way is making a western is different from making a romantic comedy. You have to approach the new subject with a degree of inteligence.

I do not understand why on one hand you want to tell people how much you know about porn but brag on how little you know on photography or film making. You live in a country with a great photographic and cinema tradition and beautiful woman. Would expect more.

The book would not cover new equipment but should it not cover basic technical / artistic principles ?

F stops, shutters speeds, exposure, ASA .....Key lights / fill lights, color tempreture, Wide angle lenses, long lenses perspective, history of erotic images religous painting to Movies

A example could be the importance of a Matt Box and how by stoppng random light entering the lens and lowering the contrast and quality of the image the picture can be improved.

But I gather people are happy doing what the do...

So opening the university of porn may be premature

It is okay that you misspelled religious and temperature, but you also misspelled intelligence. That pretty much sums up your fake persona make-believe woman nonsense pitch.

Posting a review about what a great girl you are is beyond lame, especially when you couldn't do better than an Alexa 9 million site, Maxim Ford.

With your repulsive arrogance and contempt for everybody remotely in this industry, despite never having done anything of note yourself, you have some brass balls on you to criticize Paul for being too stuck up.

Agent 488 · 04-11-2011, 02:58 PM

add a chapter on how to successfully adapt to changing tastes, trends, technology and markets and you have a winner.

barcodes · 04-11-2011, 03:46 PM

Hey Paul.

I'm new to the game and don't shoot for myself. I just don't have the budget for the nicer gear or to pay models etc right now so I am starting as an affiliate. That being said I would still like to throw some ideas your way.

You should look at createspace.com. You can import your word file into their system. You can also use an image of your own, or one of their template covers in their book cover system and add your title text spine text etc with minimal effort. They have free membership and charge a low fee per sale. They print on demand so you don't have any overhead.

I would suggest maybe putting a customer login to your ebook available through the printed book if you really want to make one, but more often than not one guy buys it and it goes straight into pirate bay or another torrent site, people download it and it gets sent to mega upload etc. If they are going to steal you work, make the guy scan every page one by one and make a crappy pdf for others to steal.

As far as equipment goes, I think I heard you retired a little while back. I don't know if you have experience with RED cameras but I say if you go into detail use an expensive one maybe high end Panasonic for film or a Hasselbad for photography. Chances are your buyers wont have access to those and will focus more on the techniques you go through (apertures, dof, white balance, whatever) instead of specific features that may fade away over time. If you cater to Canon you'll have Nikon lovers frowning anyway and vice versa.

Again I am a newb and my experience is that of a web designer and photog hobbyist. I've been posting a ton of questions in the forums and have been getting great help from everyone. Just trying to give back a little.

Good luck with it.

livexxx · 04-11-2011, 04:15 PM

2nd from left looks like a laugh

barcodes · 04-11-2011, 04:38 PM

I forgot to mention your book will get listed in amazon if you choose to go the createspace route. Now that I think of it, you can most likely sell the ebook through that account as well. If you already have a site built for it, you can use it for a forum as you stated, or maybe corrections you find later, etc.

barcodes · 04-11-2011, 05:00 PM

Lulu.com does paperback/e books as well.

DamianJ · 04-12-2011, 01:34 AM

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Lulu.com does paperback/e books as well.

There is no ebook.

He's lying.

Again.

Paul Markham · 04-12-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

That chapter alone would be worth it-

You might also consider a version with photos which illustrate what you are talking about. More costly sure but a lot of people like pics and you have enough to do a great job of showing things like lighting, model poses, etc.

Yes am doing photos. The problem will be marketing it with photos that are too explicit. Balancing act.

Will cover lighting and posing.

Eldon Hoke · 04-12-2011, 02:10 AM

I feel as this wont be an informational ebook, but rather an autobiography of the life of Paul Markham, successful pornographer of the 20th century.

eBooks are old hat nowadays, get with the times. It's all about videos.

Jason Cole has done an awesome video on this already.

Paul Markham · 04-12-2011, 02:11 AM

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add a chapter on how to successfully adapt to changing tastes, trends, technology and markets and you have a winner.

As someone that has adapted over the last 33 years have included that.

Adapt is a very vague word. As we don't know what tastes, trends, technology and markets will be next year maybe you would like to tell us how we adapt to these things.
As for adapting to what 18 to 25 year olds will buy today. Is there a market for 40 to 60 year olds that need little adaption to?

I'm already selling mobile phone and iPad content. HD is another thing I discuss in the Ebook. Marketing will come from a different POV than "Throw out as much free content as possible."

And more from the POV of "Create something worth marketing first." Otherwise you're just another very small fish in a pond full of other starving small fish. Technology, is already discussed and I came up with a solution.

SimonScans · 04-12-2011, 03:16 AM

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This isn't a good pic. Not even close.

Left to right we have. Wrong eyeline and shadow on hand. Next we have shiny forehead and hand growing out of hair. Followed by pure bored. And finally, it's hair in mouth and smoking a huge wooden cigar! All could - and should - have been fixed in the same time it took to say that outloud.

And the crop. OMFG, Just below knee kinda works, but anything mid shin or ankle is just nasty.

As for the stripey holdups? FFS sake you shoot this NOW when it would have been a bit lame in the 80s when some shot for the first time. Possible Paul. The styling is err, old fashioned to say the least.

As for lighting, well there just isn't any, not even a reflector or a careful choice of spot so the sun works in your favour. Even the reverse angle along the wall would have been better contra jour.

Lens/aperture choice? Zero thought. Looks like P mode to me, at about f16. Now imagine that shot on a tele, full length with the background more out of focus, still there, but not quite so intrusive. Or imagine it again wide angle from low down, really showing off those long stripey legs against a blue sky. Or just imagine it any way you prefer that has some kind of a "look" For someone who blathers on about "matt boxes" you'd think that would be falling off a creative log.

The whole shot reeks of a failed attempt at recreating something you once saw done well in an 80s mag. There's simply no point to it. It's not good, honest, workman like porn you can whack to, but it's not art either, it's just a bit rubbish. The only thing it has going for it, is four pretty good girls with their pants down for no reason, but even that barely lifts it into something worth a quick glance.

About all it succeeds at is being a photographic cautionary tale of how, even with four naked girls somewhere sunny, it's still possible to fuck it up.

On the plus side, a lot of your other stuff is pretty good, your book needs tighter editing from about halfway through - too many small images and not enough hero ones. Also, using the laying in the bracken shot twice, once as circular crop and once and regular crop didn't go un-noticed!

bjlover · 04-12-2011, 03:56 AM

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This isn't a good pic. Not even close.

Left to right we have. Wrong eyeline and shadow on hand. Next we have shiny forehead and hand growing out of hair. Followed by pure bored. And finally, it's hair in mouth and smoking a huge wooden cigar! All could - and should - have been fixed in the same time it took to say that outloud.

And the crop. OMFG, Just below knee kinda works, but anything mid shin or ankle is just nasty.

As for the stripey holdups? FFS sake you shoot this NOW when it would have been a bit lame in the 80s when some shot for the first time. Possible Paul. The styling is err, old fashioned to say the least.

As for lighting, well there just isn't any, not even a reflector or a careful choice of spot so the sun works in your favour. Even the reverse angle along the wall would have been better contra jour.

Lens/aperture choice? Zero thought. Looks like P mode to me, at about f16. Now imagine that shot on a tele, full length with the background more out of focus, still there, but not quite so intrusive. Or imagine it again wide angle from low down, really showing off those long stripey legs against a blue sky. Or just imagine it any way you prefer that has some kind of a "look" For someone who blathers on about "matt boxes" you'd think that would be falling off a creative log.

The whole shot reeks of a failed attempt at recreating something you once saw done well in an 80s mag. There's simply no point to it. It's not good, honest, workman like porn you can whack to, but it's not art either, it's just a bit rubbish. The only thing it has going for it, is four pretty good girls with their pants down for no reason, but even that barely lifts it into something worth a quick glance.

About all it succeeds at is being a photographic cautionary tale of how, even with four naked girls somewhere sunny, it's still possible to fuck it up.

On the plus side, a lot of your other stuff is pretty good, your book needs tighter editing from about halfway through - too many small images and not enough hero ones. Also, using the laying in the bracken shot twice, once as circular crop and once and regular crop didn't go un-noticed!

All spot on apart from this

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On the plus side, a lot of your other stuff is pretty good

It isn't. It is shit, shitty girls wiggling in front of bad music. Taken by a middle aged perv who makes porn so he can see naked girls, not for money

It is all none wankable, just shit, from someone who's never made a cent from porn. Unlike Paul Markham.

plsureking · 04-12-2011, 03:58 AM

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No Dean shot in the days of magazines buying digital equipment. There's a much easier reason to work out why Dean never sold sets for $3,000 non exclusive and had to sell for a lot less exclusive.

Doubt if you will figure it out though.

Dean Capture is way out of your league - in quality and success. He is at the top of the game - NOW (not 10 years ago). Insulting him just makes you look ignorant.

Good job starting another 10-pager tho. People here either love you or hate you. I'm in the 2nd group of course

And yes, I am a troll, as is everyone who disagrees with you. Paul's definition of troll..

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SimonScans · 04-12-2011, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bjlover

It is all non wankable, just shit, from someone who's never made a cent from porn. Unlike Paul Markham.

Yup, the site and style reeks of someone spending an inheritance or early retirement lump sum. Weird self indulgent over productions where it's easy to see where the money has been spent, but very hard to see how it improved the product or made it sell better.

Grapesoda · 04-12-2011, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari

So you think some magical fairy came down and gave you this skill?

pretty much... you are born with it or not... pretty sure you don't have it...

Grapesoda · 04-12-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonScans

This isn't a good pic. Not even close.

Left to right we have. Wrong eyeline and shadow on hand. Next we have shiny forehead and hand growing out of hair. Followed by pure bored. And finally, it's hair in mouth and smoking a huge wooden cigar! All could - and should - have been fixed in the same time it took to say that outloud.

And the crop. OMFG, Just below knee kinda works, but anything mid shin or ankle is just nasty.

As for the stripey holdups? FFS sake you shoot this NOW when it would have been a bit lame in the 80s when some shot for the first time. Possible Paul. The styling is err, old fashioned to say the least.

As for lighting, well there just isn't any, not even a reflector or a careful choice of spot so the sun works in your favour. Even the reverse angle along the wall would have been better contra jour.

Lens/aperture choice? Zero thought. Looks like P mode to me, at about f16. Now imagine that shot on a tele, full length with the background more out of focus, still there, but not quite so intrusive. Or imagine it again wide angle from low down, really showing off those long stripey legs against a blue sky. Or just imagine it any way you prefer that has some kind of a "look" For someone who blathers on about "matt boxes" you'd think that would be falling off a creative log.

The whole shot reeks of a failed attempt at recreating something you once saw done well in an 80s mag. There's simply no point to it. It's not good, honest, workman like porn you can whack to, but it's not art either, it's just a bit rubbish. The only thing it has going for it, is four pretty good girls with their pants down for no reason, but even that barely lifts it into something worth a quick glance.

About all it succeeds at is being a photographic cautionary tale of how, even with four naked girls somewhere sunny, it's still possible to fuck it up.

On the plus side, a lot of your other stuff is pretty good, your book needs tighter editing from about halfway through - too many small images and not enough hero ones. Also, using the laying in the bracken shot twice, once as circular crop and once and regular crop didn't go un-noticed!

Simon.... great breakdown of the shot... hopefully cherrywhatever will realize the time and effort you put into this and learn something

04-11-2011, 05:02 AM	#51
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04-11-2011, 05:06 AM	#52
Barefootsies Choice is an Illusion Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Land of Obama Posts: 42,635	There are still plenty of people interested in this type of thing. Good luck sport. __________________ Should You Email Your Members? Link1 \| Link2 \| Link3 Enough Said. "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

04-11-2011, 05:13 AM	#54
tabasco Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 2,624	I would like to read about Magic Join Links. I feel these are the key to defeating tube sites. There should be at least one FULL CHAPTER devoted to this! __________________ "There is no other way to see a thing except to look at it" - fatfoo

04-11-2011, 06:55 AM	#65
Cherry7 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	You are not a photographer but you are writing a book on how to photograph.. Maybe your book should start with the advice.... Hire a good photographer. As the audience we cater to likes our photography and films, and they tell us that http://www.usreviewingthings.com/ind...-erotique.html I think we will continue to do what we are doing... and yes it is fun what we do, and it does make money... But I am not here trying to teach people, It is sad to see someone spreading false information, like you can't change lenses on a DSLR, you can't learn from books... __________________ My Neighbour Butterfly PORN-The Musical The Long Goodbye Cinema Erotique

04-11-2011, 07:53 AM	#69
Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	the trolls are on the prowl today, you can virtually smell the fear they have whenever someone wants to do something they can't do themselves...pathetic really. In any case a key part of such a book would be how to get the models comfortable and in the mood. This is one thing that you can see lacking in alot of content, the models appear bored or just plain not into the scene which does do alot for the porn factor. __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

04-11-2011, 06:35 AM	#63
Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life (felis madjewicus) Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In Mom & Dad's Basement Posts: 20,368	I'd like to see it shot by someone who shoots amazing looking content. Maybe DeanCapture should write a book.

04-11-2011, 07:05 AM	#67
Grapesoda So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montana Posts: 46,238	Paul, good luck on yer ebook... some unasked for advice: probably be best NOT to talk down to your audience like you do here at GFY about your skills set and the good old days and how nobody did/does it better and the new shooters couldn't make it 'back then' and they all suck etc.... just a thought...

04-11-2011, 08:07 AM	#73
Caligari Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At The Mountains Of Madness Posts: 5,414	On the other hand the subject of model release forms gets a little tricky because if you get into content shooting it's imperative to consult with an entertainment lawyer with knowledge in that particular area and with the laws of that country or region, so that section is best left to "Consult with your lawyer" imo. __________________ ATTN Webmasters Cruel Bucks - LIVE Gonzo Does Not Pay ------------------------------------------------ Animal Rescue Click Here to Feed An Animal for Free

04-11-2011, 12:04 PM	#77
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	dean capture never shot for a print magazine in the age of computers and internet therefore he sucks.

04-11-2011, 01:28 PM	#80
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	This looks like an interesting read. It's good to know where products and services can be bought and for how much. It's interesting to read about how to improve working with people. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

04-11-2011, 01:48 PM	#81
papill0n Unregistered Abuser Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 15,547	christ you are a train wreck

04-11-2011, 02:58 PM	#86
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	add a chapter on how to successfully adapt to changing tastes, trends, technology and markets and you have a winner.

04-11-2011, 03:46 PM	#87
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	Hey Paul. I'm new to the game and don't shoot for myself. I just don't have the budget for the nicer gear or to pay models etc right now so I am starting as an affiliate. That being said I would still like to throw some ideas your way. You should look at createspace.com. You can import your word file into their system. You can also use an image of your own, or one of their template covers in their book cover system and add your title text spine text etc with minimal effort. They have free membership and charge a low fee per sale. They print on demand so you don't have any overhead. I would suggest maybe putting a customer login to your ebook available through the printed book if you really want to make one, but more often than not one guy buys it and it goes straight into pirate bay or another torrent site, people download it and it gets sent to mega upload etc. If they are going to steal you work, make the guy scan every page one by one and make a crappy pdf for others to steal. As far as equipment goes, I think I heard you retired a little while back. I don't know if you have experience with RED cameras but I say if you go into detail use an expensive one maybe high end Panasonic for film or a Hasselbad for photography. Chances are your buyers wont have access to those and will focus more on the techniques you go through (apertures, dof, white balance, whatever) instead of specific features that may fade away over time. If you cater to Canon you'll have Nikon lovers frowning anyway and vice versa. Again I am a newb and my experience is that of a web designer and photog hobbyist. I've been posting a ton of questions in the forums and have been getting great help from everyone. Just trying to give back a little. Good luck with it. Last edited by barcodes; 04-11-2011 at 03:56 PM..

04-11-2011, 04:15 PM	#88
livexxx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,201	2nd from left looks like a laugh

04-11-2011, 04:38 PM	#89
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	I forgot to mention your book will get listed in amazon if you choose to go the createspace route. Now that I think of it, you can most likely sell the ebook through that account as well. If you already have a site built for it, you can use it for a forum as you stated, or maybe corrections you find later, etc.

04-11-2011, 05:00 PM	#90
barcodes Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 2,040	Lulu.com does paperback/e books as well.

04-12-2011, 02:10 AM	#93
Eldon Hoke Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 323	I feel as this wont be an informational ebook, but rather an autobiography of the life of Paul Markham, successful pornographer of the 20th century. eBooks are old hat nowadays, get with the times. It's all about videos. Jason Cole has done an awesome video on this already.