The Content Protection Retreat Absolutely BLEW Me Away! - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

DamianJ · 02-21-2011, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

I talked about content protection.

Oh OK, my bad.

You were posting in such a deluded sub-usenet style, I misread your waffle.

Carry on.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

It increased my sales when the content stopped leaking from the members area.
Thus the increase in profits.

Great math was used too I see...

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Wrong. TheDoc is not pointing that out. He made up claims about my retention, which I didn't talk about. I talked about profit.

As a matter of fact I have seen in my log files that someone tried to hack into the members area with different passwords. When the person didn't manage to break in he took out his credit card and paid for access. He became a paying member (who I keep an eye on). Reading that log file was a little victory.

Hahaha, I never made claims about your retention. I did claim you did not track everything correctly, retention being one of them and that being where you would see profits 'actually' increase.

What you just basically said was... your ratios dropped, after you protected the steams - so you attributed your improvement in sales, to you protecting your steams, thus an increase in profits. Which is completely ridiculous.

And btw, turning a dead password leak into a sale, has nothing to do with your protected steams.

DamianJ · 02-21-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

And btw, turning a dead password leak into a sale, has nothing to do with your protected steams.

Oh. I thought anecdotal evidence was what this industry thrived on?

I don't think I've *ever* seen a proper case study from a service provider in adult covering ANYTHING. Loads of snake oil around I guess.

Agent 488 · 02-21-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Loads of snake oil around I guess.

even a few salesmen of said product in this thread.

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hahaha, I never made claims about your retention. I did claim you did not track everything correctly, retention being one of them and that being where you would see profits 'actually' increase.

How do you know anything about my tracking?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Great math was used too I see...

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What you just basically said was... your ratios dropped, after you protected the steams - so you attributed your improvement in sales, to you protecting your steams, thus an increase in profits. Which is completely ridiculous.

Maybe we think differently in terms of math.

Retention rate is not the only factor when calculating the turnover. The two other significant factors are conversion rate and traffic volume.

So what I basically said is that the conversation rate improved, because fans could not find the unique content elsewhere.

That should clear it up.

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

even a few salesmen of said product in this thread.

You could be right

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

How do you know anything about my tracking?

Because I can read what you're doing in this thread...

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Maybe we think differently in terms of math.

Retention rate is not the only factor when calculating the turnover. The two other significant factors are conversion rate and traffic volume.

So what I basically said is that the conversation rate improved, because fans could not find the unique content elsewhere.

That should clear it up.

That's exactly what I'm saying... you're using micro fractions of stats to come up with your conclusion. Using conversion ratio - as your indicator that things improved, is exactly the point, it's not good math.

Lots of people have been using drm, encryption, ect to protect steams for over 10 years and keeping up with piracy, sure isn't anything new. So here you are, saying it does improve it, when we have 10+ years of stats, information, and proof that shows it does nothing of the sort.

That doesn't mean don't protect your content - it means don't feed people bullshit based off crap stats.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

even a few salesmen of said product in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Zyber

You could be right

Who are those salesmen selling you something? I don't see anyone selling anything in this thread, nobody has hit me up trying to sell me anything.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh. I thought anecdotal evidence was what this industry thrived on?

I don't think I've *ever* seen a proper case study from a service provider in adult covering ANYTHING. Loads of snake oil around I guess.

Our industry split testing methods start and end with replacing the old with the new.

Most of these companies are private, so the data would be limited to internal information. With that, none of the standalone processors OR major leased software packages, neither have enough stats to do much outside of making an educated guess at how things are going.

It's not so much snake oil to me, just more that most people have never been shown how to correctly track changes related to our Industries stats.

Barefootsies · 02-21-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh OK, my bad.

You were posting in such a deluded sub-usenet style, I misread your waffle.

Carry on.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 04:39 PM

Funny bump....

I was just reading this thread again, interesting info to say the least. I'm now looking into opening a company that sends dmca notices, maybe do it under the non-profit blanket or maybe go open source for the industry, never know with me.

DWB · 02-21-2011, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

it's naive to think even 1% of the pirates know about this event

All you need is one big one.

Robbie · 02-21-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

All you need is one big one.

Fabian?

DWB · 02-21-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Where are the case studies from these content protection companies proving that they have shown a ROI on the monthly fees they charge?

What's the ROI for paying an alarm company to monitor your house?

What's the ROI on paying insurance if you never have to use it?

As Doc said, it is about ownership and protecting what is yours.

Everyone protects their brand and personal valuables. Why not do the same for your intellectual property? The price to protect it is minimal and it's just another small cost of doing business.

DWB · 02-21-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Fabian?

It was probably sponsored it part by them.

gideongallery · 02-21-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

What's the ROI for paying an alarm company to monitor your house?

really bad example since most monitoring services will get you a price brak on your home owners insurance

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What's the ROI on paying insurance if you never have to use it?

As Doc said, it is about ownership and protecting what is yours.

Everyone protects their brand and personal valuables. Why not do the same for your intellectual property? The price to protect it is minimal and it's just another small cost of doing business.

insurance is based on a probability of event, it does have a metric in place that difines it value. There is an RIO it based on the expected value of the payout given the probability of an accident.

dillonaire · 02-22-2011, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

initials please! or just name the company - off the top of my head I can't think of a popular paysite that's content is hard to find on forums.

Digital Playground would be a good example

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Funny bump.... I was just reading this thread again, interesting info to say the least. I'm now looking into opening a company that sends dmca notices, maybe do it under the non-profit blanket or maybe go open source for the industry, never know with me. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation