The Content Protection Retreat Absolutely BLEW Me Away! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Deej · 02-19-2011, 12:38 PM

how about a couple sneak peeks of what "tools" that you were not aware of before hand..?

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's bullshit... and your loss Robbie.

Whatever Doc. Believe what you want. I am not about to openly share our tech, programming, tactics, etc.. with a few companies who have already proven they are quite capable of ripping us off. I am not talking about FSC or Pink Visual BTW.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I didn't lose anything. I would love to go to and learn something. But having some knowledge of what is going on with piracy, and knowing that people who have actually been doing something about it while a lot of bigger companies lived off of their rebills hoping for it to go away...I just don't know.

I'm not saying that it wasn't a good experience for the people like Shap who are realizing now that they need to do something. It was a great thing for him to do. And it will pay off for him.

But what was I going to learn? In my opinion...the CPR is the one who "lost" by not having Eric there. He has done more in the real world over the last two years than every "expert" they had put together.

And if I may say...in my own humble way...not having me there is a "loss" for the folks attending as well. I shouted from the rooftops that you CAN protect your content for the last two years. Shap himself told me right here on GFY that he thought I was making a mistake because I was "treating my members like criminals"

Bottom line is...if you don't have the most effective company at the show (Remove Your Content), and your experts are a lot of companies who started up over the last year just to try and cash in on piracy...then how can I "learn" anything from them?

Eric has a story to tell. And in my own little way, so do I. But I can't blame him one bit for not wanting to share a podium with posers and johnny-come-lately's

And I'm not attacking Pink Visual, so calm down. I applaud them for finally opening their eyes.

I'm just stating what I see as the facts. Nobody did a damn thing for a long time. But I did for myself. And Eric did for this industry. And now...he isn't at the CPR?

He should be THE main speaker. But that's just one little guys humble opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

Many companies at both CPR events have directly fought the fight, many are gearing up, and others are willing to do anything to help.

I think having one of the Countries top I.P. firms, other law firms, and those that paid them and went through the fight in the courts, on all sides of the fence, are probably the most qualified to tell us what we can and can't do - legal wise and protection wise.

Sorry you think those that actually have experience are posers... and we all have a story to tell, some make the choice not to tell because of personal reasons that end up blocking them from helping the Industry.

I'm not sure why you think this is new, plenty of us have been fighting the fight - years before anyone else even knew an issue was happening.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

Whatever Doc. Believe what you want. I am not about to openly share our tech, programming, tactics, etc.. with a few companies who have already proven they are quite capable of ripping us off. I am not talking about FSC or Pink Visual BTW.

I don't really give a shit if you had a bad experience with someone/person/company that might attend an event geared to help the Industry.

That's your own personal issue... suck it up or shut up or call'em out, bitching isn't helping anyone.

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I don't really give a shit if you had a bad experience with someone/person/company that might attend an event geared to help the Industry.

That's your own personal issue... suck it up or shut up or call'em out, bitching isn't helping anyone.

DWB · 02-19-2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I think having one of the Countries top I.P. firms, other law firms, and those that paid them and went through the fight in the courts, on all sides of the fence, are probably the most qualified to tell us what we can and can't do - legal wise and protection wise.

With all due respect, most of the people in this business can't afford expensive law suits and others who may be able to, don't want to deal with the headache of it all. It's best to work on not getting your content stolen in the first place.

I speak for many when I say, real life practical "how to protect your content" is what the industry needs the most, and it needs to be available to the masses. They need real solutions more than a panel of experts discussing how and who they can sue. That very "how to" info may have been provided at this retreat, I was not there, I'm simply speaking from a realistic point of view. If it wasn't, it should be the main topic of discussion at the next retreat.

Which leads me to another issue, even since the first retreat, why is this so secret? The industries enemies were already there in attendance, so why not stream this event or put the videos (or notes) online for those who could honestly need some info, if it was so valuable? Important information like this should not be kept for just a handful of people with large libraries or the ability to come to a show. Of course, that is if anyone is actually concerned with honestly helping the industry and not trying to make a buck somewhere. Put that shit online, let the information flow. BRING THE RETREAT TO THE MASSES!!!

Thanks to Robbie and Borked (Andy), I've locked my streams down and am never looking back, as the amount of new scenes of mine floating around online is next to nothing. Now we're just cleaning up old content and the literal handful who slipped by with screen recorders, but we're working on a solution for that too.

Robbie · 02-19-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Thanks to Robbie and Borked (Andy), I've locked my streams down and am never looking back, as the amount of new scenes of mine floating around online is next to nothing. Now we're just cleaning up old content and the literal handful who slipped by with screen recorders, but we're working on a solution for that too.

Borked should have been there too. A few months ago he posted in detail the things I have been doing for a couple of years now and several folks like yourself took that knowledge and began actually protecting their content.

And many of the guys at the CPR were the same people that were telling me two years ago that it wouldn't work, and that piracy was gonna be great free promotion and I was wasting my time, etc., etc.

Not saying that the site owners I'm referring to are supportive of stealing in any way. They were simply speaking from ignorance on the subject at the time. And from all reports I've heard...the actual PROTECTION of content wasn't the focal point of this at all. It was more pushing the FSC "solution" to have tube sites sign up and let you swap out your pirated content for a trailer.

That's nice. But the better solution is to work against having your stuff out there in the first place and then when some does get out there...get it down to the best of your ability.

Borked (or I) could have spoken on how to keep it getting out. And Eric at RYC could have shown the stats and knowledge he has (Remove Your Content has taken down more pirated videos than ANYBODY in the world) from a working database of over 10,000 pirate sites (and growing)

And that's what I meant when I said: What could I learn from that group at CPR? They are behind me and guys like Borked in knowledge of this. And light years behind Eric. At least Fabian is happy the "retreat" is going well. Not that he could actually show his face there. lol

By the way...speaking of Brazzers: Nevada Energy came to my home to replace some thermostats. The guy was asking me all kinds of stuff because he saw Claudia-Marie when he walked in and he's a fan.

So we got to talking. And he said that he had just done the "owner" of Brazzers home's thermostats earlier that day. I told him "no" you didn't. They don't live here in Vegas. Probably one of the guys that works for them I suppose...

Anyway the fake "owner" of Brazzers told the Nevada Energy guy that they had pretty much destroyed most other porn sites with their tubes! lol
He was fucking BRAGGING about it!

Again, this is not the real owner. I have no idea who it was...but it was a pretty sad story.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

With all due respect, most of the people in this business can't afford expensive law suits and others who may be able to, don't want to deal with the headache of it all. It's best to work on not getting your content stolen in the first place.

I speak for many when I say, real life practical "how to protect your content" is what the industry needs the most, and it needs to be available to the masses. They need real solutions more than a panel of experts discussing how and who they can sue. That very "how to" info may have been provided at this retreat, I was not there, I'm simply speaking from a realistic point of view. If it wasn't, it should be the main topic of discussion at the next retreat.

Which leads me to another issue, even since the first retreat, why is this so secret? The industries enemies were already there in attendance, so why not stream this event or put the videos (or notes) online for those who could honestly need some info, if it was so valuable? Important information like this should not be kept for just a handful of people with large libraries or the ability to come to a show. Of course, that is if anyone is actually concerned with honestly helping the industry and not trying to make a buck somewhere. Put that shit online, let the information flow. BRING THE RETREAT TO THE MASSES!!!

Thanks to Robbie and Borked (Andy), I've locked my streams down and am never looking back, as the amount of new scenes of mine floating around online is next to nothing. Now we're just cleaning up old content and the literal handful who slipped by with screen recorders, but we're working on a solution for that too.

It's not that expensive of a fight if you know what to fight for and it's relevant to your size if done correctly, like all lawsuits.

It's not all about legal action either, and you can't DRM DVD's in Stores... Lots of other players to think about in our Industry too. And the CPR also covers what to do now that it is happing to you, solutions to clean it up, prevent it, ect.

The information is well rounded and comes from a range of experienced people - exactly what it takes to actually learn at this level of business.

Why would they make it public? Why in the world would you want to teach the pirates the secrets of how they get found, how and what it takes to sue them, and all that crap? Truly think about what you would be showing them - it would be pure crazy to make this information public.

This isn't grade school information here...you should come to one, I guarantee you and Robbie that you'll learn more about piracy than you already know.

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 04:22 PM

http://www.chillingeffects.org/weath...?WeatherID=643

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:chillingeffects.org+%22removeyourcon tent%22&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=612&prmd=ivns& ei=-ExgTaiANMP6lwe5_vWJDA&start=0&sa=N&filter=0

That's just google Btw... and our "inexperience" of course. Go ahead and search against any of these other "services companies" on there.

When I see Xbiz releasing PR's about one blog being taken down (which wasn't even taken down btw).. I was floored but not surprised. They have lost all credibility as a legitimate news source in my book and many others I have spoken to as well. Yet they have to keep this CPR/APAP information running 24/7 in some form or fashion whether it be on a blog, press release or something else. That should tell everyone of you something right there. Yes... everyone should have a choice, however, don't try and lecture us for not being a part of someone's attempt to monopolize on something because they smell blood in the water.

How is it that a little company like us can kick these pirate asses and achieve positive results without having to be a "gold sponsor" at a convention, create some upsell seminar to our services or release PR's? Huh? How is that? RESULTS.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Borked should have been there too. A few months ago he posted in detail the things I have been doing for a couple of years now and several folks like yourself took that knowledge and began actually protecting their content.

And many of the guys at the CPR were the same people that were telling me two years ago that it wouldn't work, and that piracy was gonna be great free promotion and I was wasting my time, etc., etc.

Not saying that the site owners I'm referring to are supportive of stealing in any way. They were simply speaking from ignorance on the subject at the time. And from all reports I've heard...the actual PROTECTION of content wasn't the focal point of this at all. It was more pushing the FSC "solution" to have tube sites sign up and let you swap out your pirated content for a trailer.

That's nice. But the better solution is to work against having your stuff out there in the first place and then when some does get out there...get it down to the best of your ability.

Borked (or I) could have spoken on how to keep it getting out. And Eric at RYC could have shown the stats and knowledge he has (Remove Your Content has taken down more pirated videos than ANYBODY in the world) from a working database of over 10,000 pirate sites (and growing)

And that's what I meant when I said: What could I learn from that group at CPR? They are behind me and guys like Borked in knowledge of this. And light years behind Eric. At least Fabian is happy the "retreat" is going well. Not that he could actually show his face there. lol

By the way...speaking of Brazzers: Nevada Energy came to my home to replace some thermostats. The guy was asking me all kinds of stuff because he saw Claudia-Marie when he walked in and he's a fan.

So we got to talking. And he said that he had just done the "owner" of Brazzers home's thermostats earlier that day. I told him "no" you didn't. They don't live here in Vegas. Probably one of the guys that works for them I suppose...

Anyway the fake "owner" of Brazzers told the Nevada Energy guy that they had pretty much destroyed most other porn sites with their tubes! lol
He was fucking BRAGGING about it!

Again, this is not the real owner. I have no idea who it was...but it was a pretty sad story.

Then Borked should show up... many others have shown up that have been using/created, ect technology for many years now, the problem isn't new - lots of people with ideas to share.

I've been yelling at people on here for 10 years to use some form of DRM, encryption, ect... It's not like the technology is new, hell CCbill has sold the service for years.

Yes, one solution is stop it before it happens, another has to deal with it now that it already has happened, and another has to deal with multiple technology/devices that is your future as well. It's not one thing, one source, one way....

You'll only protect yourself so much with a single service, no mater how good they are, it's impossible to monitor it all, not even Google monitors it all.

Hehe, sound like some fake player trying to play and a worker that bought it.

Robbie · 02-19-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

http://www.chillingeffects.org/weath...?WeatherID=643

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:chillingeffects.org+%22removeyourcon tent%22&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=612&prmd=ivns& ei=-ExgTaiANMP6lwe5_vWJDA&start=0&sa=N&filter=0

Eric in my opinion...Pink Visual should have consulted with you from day one in putting this whole thing together from the bottom up. Having you involved would be an incredible asset to the industry.

Those links show what you bring to the table. Everything else is just talk.

I'm hoping that Allison will realize that maybe, just maybe there might be the infinitesimal possibility that she MIGHT have made a tiny mistake by not getting the number one piracy fighter in the world (Remove Your Content) onboard from the get-go.

Just a suggestion: It's never too late to tweak it out and make it better for everybody. Or you can just keep treating a guy like Eric like an outsider when HE is the one who should be schooling all of you.

Robbie · 02-19-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Hehe, sound like some fake player trying to play and a worker that bought it.

It definitely was. I know there are a few guys who work for Brazzers here in town. And they have absolutely nothing to do with the crap that is being pulled with the tubes. They are involved in the paysite end, and I have zero animosity towards them. I think Brazzers is an awesome site.

It just struck me as a sign of the times that the guy would claim to "own" it and then brag about how "he" is destroying the industry.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Eric in my opinion...Pink Visual should have consulted with you from day one in putting this whole thing together from the bottom up. Having you involved would be an incredible asset to the industry.

Those links show what you bring to the table. Everything else is just talk.

I'm hoping that Allison will realize that maybe, just maybe there might be the infinitesimal possibility that she MIGHT have made a tiny mistake by not getting the number one piracy fighter in the world (Remove Your Content) onboard from the get-go.

Just a suggestion: It's never too late to tweak it out and make it better for everybody. Or you can just keep treating a guy like Eric like an outsider when HE is the one who should be schooling all of you.

You act as if Alli told him he couldn't attend or that PV ignored him or something. The choice to come is yours or his, pending you meet the requirements - which he does/did.

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Eric in my opinion...Pink Visual should have consulted with you from day one in putting this whole thing together from the bottom up. Having you involved would be an incredible asset to the industry.

Those links show what you bring to the table. Everything else is just talk.

I'm hoping that Allison will realize that maybe, just maybe there might be the infinitesimal possibility that she MIGHT have made a tiny mistake by not getting the number one piracy fighter in the world (Remove Your Content) onboard from the get-go.

Just a suggestion: It's never too late to tweak it out and make it better for everybody. Or you can just keep treating a guy like Eric like an outsider when HE is the one who should be schooling all of you.

Thanks for everything Robbie. Allison did contact us, numerous times, regarding the effort which I am all for. We politely declined. Our real issues stem from my previous statement about what's going on with the non-service providers (behind the scenes).. not the studios or facilitators. We do not wish to participate due to a number of factors.. some of those which are criminal in nature and I am not getting involved. It's that simple.

Robbie · 02-19-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

Thanks for everything Robbie. Allison did contact us, numerous times, regarding the effort which I am all for. We politely declined. Our real issues stem from my previous statement about what's going on with the non-service providers (behind the scenes).. not the studios or facilitators. We do not wish to participate due to a number of factors.. some of those which are criminal in nature and I am not getting involved. It's that simple.

That's why I feel she should have contacted you in the beginning with this idea and got some valuable knowledge right out the starting gate that could have avoided having some of these people involved.

You should have been the first person to talk to when it came time to make things happen. I have no bad feelings at all towards Allison or Pink Visual. I just wish I knew where they buried Kevin Ho...I haven't seen him since 2001

Anyway, I'd like to see a "reset" on this whole concept. Maybe have you sit down with her and show her some of the info you have. Then start the whole thing over with a clean slate and a "Retreat" that doesn't have any taint to it at all. Which is what I believe Allison is striving for.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's why I feel she should have contacted you in the beginning with this idea and got some valuable knowledge right out the starting gate that could have avoided having some of these people involved.

You should have been the first person to talk to when it came time to make things happen. I have no bad feelings at all towards Allison or Pink Visual. I just wish I knew where they buried Kevin Ho...I haven't seen him since 2001

Anyway, I'd like to see a "reset" on this whole concept. Maybe have you sit down with her and show her some of the info you have. Then start the whole thing over with a clean slate and a "Retreat" that doesn't have any taint to it at all. Which is what I believe Allison is striving for.

I'm pretty sure he didn't come forward and say someone attending was a pirate or doing something illegal related to piracy - as those people aren't allowed to attend.

From his posts in this thread, it sounds like he had bad business dealings with someone that was attending.

So chances are whoever it was, would have been allowed to come either way. No reason to reset an event, go backwards basically, for another persons personal/business dealings that have nothing to do with the event going on.

WarChild · 02-19-2011, 05:55 PM

Eric, quick question for you. Who would I contact at your company in regards to DMCAs being sent against content that someone has explicit permission to upload?

What I mean is, sometimes movies I've had listed get DMCA'd from you guys even though the content owner has givin their permission for promotion in this fashion. What I'm guessing happens is that you guys are tasked with protecting all of their content and they don't provide you any list of exceptions? Pure speculation here on my part. In any case, who's the correct contact? Yourself?

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

From his posts in this thread, it sounds like he had bad business dealings with someone that was attending.

So chances are whoever it was, would have been allowed to come either way. No reason to reset an event, go backwards basically, for another persons personal/business dealings that have nothing to do with the event going on.

That's not it at all. I am done trying to explain myself to you.

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Eric, quick question for you. Who would I contact at your company in regards to DMCAs being sent against content that someone has explicit permission to upload?

What I mean is, sometimes movies I've had listed get DMCA'd from you guys even though the content owner has givin their permission for promotion in this fashion. What I'm guessing happens is that you guys are tasked with protecting all of their content and they don't provide you any list of exceptions? Pure speculation here on my part. In any case, who's the correct contact? Yourself?

I would file a counter-notice against the company that sent in the DMCA first. You can also send me an email so we can see what the problem is. webmaster at removeyourcontent.com. We've had studio reps send us notice on their own promo content before. It's not uncommon actually. Thanks.

WarChild · 02-19-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

I would file a counter-notice against the company that sent in the DMCA first. You can also send me an email so we can see what the problem is. webmaster at removeyourcontent.com. We've had studio reps send use notice on their own promo content before. It's not uncommon actually. Thanks.

Oh perhaps I don't understand the process you guys use. I will drop you an email on Monday when I get my thoughts together. Thanks for your time.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RycEric

That's not it at all. I am done trying to explain myself to you.

Well I highly doubt the issue you had was related to content piracy..... and that's the only factor that makes a difference.

I never asked you to explain anything to me either... at that, I don't care what your issue is, as it makes no difference in the end that you had an issue.

RycEric · 02-19-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Oh perhaps I don't understand the process you guys use. I will drop you an email on Monday when I get my thoughts together. Thanks for your time.

Thanks!

signupdamnit · 02-19-2011, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

I'm pretty sure he didn't come forward and say someone attending was a pirate or doing something illegal related to piracy - as those people aren't allowed to attend.

From his posts in this thread, it sounds like he had bad business dealings with someone that was attending.

So chances are whoever it was, would have been allowed to come either way. No reason to reset an event, go backwards basically, for another persons personal/business dealings that have nothing to do with the event going on.

I can't speak for him but I got the impression that perhaps it relates to this more than anything:

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Originally Posted by RycEric

We have a zero tolerance policy, when dealing with content theft, and will not do any business with folks involved in it.

Which I think you have to respect.

TheDoc · 02-19-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit

I can't speak for him but I got the impression that perhaps it relates to this more than anything:

Which I think you have to respect.

I just thought he was stating the obvious... if he thinks someone attending is pirating content, then speak up rather than beating around the bush, making it sound like something sinister is going down that has to be avoided.

This is what makes me think something a bit more is going on.

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Originally Posted by Allison

....we do have a no drama policy.....drama amongst anti-piracy service providers is counter-intuitive

ContentPimp · 02-20-2011, 12:49 PM

gay sells best for me, go figure

borked · 02-20-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Then Borked should show up... many others have shown up that have been using/created, ect technology for many years now, the problem isn't new - lots of people with ideas to share.

Hey, hang on...

1. I didn't even know about this "retreat", so how could I show up...
2. I wasn't invited
3. I'm not in this for financial gain. I'm in this whole thing because I saw something that was wide open and spent a few weeks researching the problem then a few more researching the solution and laid out in a very detailed thread my findings. All free for the taking by those that know how to implement. At nominal cost for those that don't.

The content theft area was a great grey-matter challenge for me which I revel in. There was shit loads I came up with, different twists, different angles, all to do with rapidly identifying stolen content (and by rapid I mean 3 million+ searches in a fraction of a second). Alas, they never went public and lie in a dusty old /sandbox directory on my dev machine. Strangely enough, I have a feeling they may get the dust covers taken off.

I think #2 and #3 are mutually exclusive

borked · 02-20-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Thanks to Robbie and Borked (Andy), I've locked my streams down and am never looking back, as the amount of new scenes of mine floating around online is next to nothing.

whatdy'a mean 'next to nothing'

Your vids are secure

The only stuff that may show up are your images, but then they have identifiable info all over them

Next thing I'm working on - displaying images via... wait for it... a locked down stream. Whacky shit, but who says you have to provide high res images in a <img> tag

TheDoc · 02-20-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by borked

Hey, hang on...

1. I didn't even know about this "retreat", so how could I show up...
2. I wasn't invited
3. I'm not in this for financial gain. I'm in this whole thing because I saw something that was wide open and spent a few weeks researching the problem then a few more researching the solution and laid out in a very detailed thread my findings. All free for the taking by those that know how to implement. At nominal cost for those that don't.

The content theft area was a great grey-matter challenge for me which I revel in. There was shit loads I came up with, different twists, different angles, all to do with rapidly identifying stolen content (and by rapid I mean 3 million+ searches in a fraction of a second). Alas, they never went public and lie in a dusty old /sandbox directory on my dev machine. Strangely enough, I have a feeling they may get the dust covers taken off.

I think #2 and #3 are mutually exclusive

Just to note, I used your name simply because it was posted by the person I was having the discussion with. I also wasn't saying you have or haven't helped, that reference was to the same person I was talking with as well.

borked · 02-20-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Just to note, I used your name simply because it was posted by the person I was having the discussion with. I also wasn't saying you have or haven't helped, that reference was to the same person I was talking with as well.

Fair enough - it just sound like you were saying it was my fault for a no-show when I could have come and spoken...

Like I said, I never knew about it and from the looks of it, it was invite-only for speaking, no submitting an abstract and being selected... workshops still have speakers!

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The event will be open to 50 studios and will also include a virtual component where up to 20 studios can participate via videoconference. A registration fee will be required for all attendees in order to cover costs, as this is a non-sponsored event. As with the first CPR, all attendees will be screened to ensure there are no conflicts of interest and no media coverage of the event.

I'm not a studio, so I guess I was out from the start, even by video-conference...

Zyber · 02-20-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Thanks to Robbie and Borked (Andy), I've locked my streams down and am never looking back, as the amount of new scenes of mine floating around online is next to nothing. Now we're just cleaning up old content and the literal handful who slipped by with screen recorders, but we're working on a solution for that too.

Quoted for truth!

DWB · 02-21-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not that expensive of a fight if you know what to fight for and it's relevant to your size if done correctly, like all lawsuits.

Most people don't want to deal with that. And if they are not in a jurisdiction you can sue them in, what's the point? The only thing worse than a lawsuit within the country both parties are in, is a lawsuit across international borders. Easier just to lock my content down and police what slips through the cracks. I'm a small site owner in niche markets, so the battle is not as big for me as it is others. It is manageable. Frustrating at times, but manageable.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

The information is well rounded and comes from a range of experienced people - exactly what it takes to actually learn at this level of business.

Why would they make it public? Why in the world would you want to teach the pirates the secrets of how they get found, how and what it takes to sue them, and all that crap? Truly think about what you would be showing them - it would be pure crazy to make this information public.

I'm not knocking the retreat, and if I'm ever on that side of the world while one is happening, I will come. And as a FYI, I flew from Thailand to LA just for the very first piracy round table meeting. Unfortunately, that went nowhere. And yea, that is a long flight.

In regards to why should it be public... the pirates and thieves and enemies to this business are among us already. They were at the retreat or already got the info from someone who was. There are no secrets left to hide. There is nothing to teach them. They were there taking notes and asking questions. It is naive for any of us to think otherwise.

DWB · 02-21-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by borked

1. I didn't even know about this "retreat", so how could I show up...

Me neither.

Redrob · 02-21-2011, 02:34 AM

If you want to stay abreast of industry events and issues, I find that I get most of my information from the Free Speech X-press that comes out every Friday in my email.

I was at the X-biz LA and the retreat's participants seemed quite satisfied with the event. I'd suggest you try and attend the next one. If you are worried about companies ripping off your technologies, don't offer up the methods for discussion. Even if you learn one thing, it may be worth more than the trip's costs.

Just a suggestion.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

Most people don't want to deal with that. And if they are not in a jurisdiction you can sue them in, what's the point? The only thing worse than a lawsuit within the country both parties are in, is a lawsuit across international borders. Easier just to lock my content down and police what slips through the cracks. I'm a small site owner in niche markets, so the battle is not as big for me as it is others. It is manageable. Frustrating at times, but manageable.

I'm not knocking the retreat, and if I'm ever on that side of the world while one is happening, I will come. And as a FYI, I flew from Thailand to LA just for the very first piracy round table meeting. Unfortunately, that went nowhere. And yea, that is a long flight.

In regards to why should it be public... the pirates and thieves and enemies to this business are among us already. They were at the retreat or already got the info from someone who was. There are no secrets left to hide. There is nothing to teach them. They were there taking notes and asking questions. It is naive for any of us to think otherwise.

Your battle is as big as everyone else's battle. Your % of pirated content compared to the next guys is the same, it is exactly the same - big or small. The arm of the law is very long in these situations, it can even reach across the borders, with ease. And if you fight correctly - it will end up costing you - nothing!

The first piracy round table was put on by a bunch of people who had never done anything about piracy.

Plenty of secrets left to learn and it's naive to think even 1% of the pirates know about this event, let alone get educated from it, even if one shows up. The reasons not to broadcast it, without question out weight those that do.

DamianJ · 02-21-2011, 05:05 AM

Where are the case studies from these content protection companies proving that they have shown a ROI on the monthly fees they charge?

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Where are the case studies from these content protection companies proving that they have shown a ROI on the monthly fees they charge?

hehe.... stay away from my line.

None of them have any proof to show that removing content increased sales - that's because it doesn't. Just like people with encrypted steams don't get more sales, longer retention, ect from the lack of piracy.

It all comes down to ownership of the property.. screw letting anyone else share in it, straight up.

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Just like people with encrypted steams don't get more sales, longer retention, ect from the lack of piracy.

I disagree. My profit went up after I protected my streams.

This only works if you have unique content that people cannot find easily anywhere else.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

I disagree. My profit went up after I protected my streams.

This only works if you have unique content that people cannot find easily anywhere else.

So for a year before you tracked this, then the year after you tracked it again, and saw your retention ratios increase so much, that you saw your profits go up, taking out the year's previous retention factor? So basically you increased MONTHS of retention, which is how you would see it in your profits.....

Complete And Utter Bullshit!

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

So for a year before you tracked this, then the year after you tracked it again, and saw your retention ratios increase so much, that you saw your profits go up, taking out the year's previous retention factor? So basically you increased MONTHS of retention, which is how you would see it in your profits.....

Complete And Utter Bullshit!

What are you talking about, TheDoc?

I have never said ANYTHING of the above. You misquote me.

Are you just making things up? If not, then post proof.

How can you reach such wild conclusions based on nothing? I am totally amazed.

All I said was..

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Originally Posted by Zyber

I disagree. My profit went up after I protected my streams.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

What are you talking about, TheDoc?

I have never said ANYTHING of the above. You misquote me.

Are you just making things up? If not, then post proof.

How can you reach such wild conclusions based on nothing? I am totally amazed.

All I said was..

Are you on drugs or just stupid? Did I say I quoted you, where did I say you said any of that?

Just the fact that you do not understanding what I said, overly proves that you're speaking out of your ass.

Let me rephrase it for you, your profits did not go up due to you protecting your videos.

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are you on drugs or just stupid? Did I say I quoted you, where did I say you said any of that?

Just the fact that you do not understanding what I said, overly proves that you're speaking out of your ass.

Let me rephrase it for you, your profits did not go up due to you protecting your videos.

Post proof. GFY rule 9.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Post proof. GFY rule 9.

We are waiting.....

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Originally Posted by Zyber

My profit went up after I protected my streams.

Agent 488 · 02-21-2011, 07:54 AM

the doc is never wrong? don't you ever learn?

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

the doc is never wrong? don't you ever learn?

In your trolling world, that is correct... for the rest of us though, we use a bit of logic and know that it takes making mistakes to truly learn inner workings of this business.

Now do you have something to add to the topic or would you like to maybe jump the other trolling way and point out my wife works for the company that puts these events on? Just saving you time...

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Are you on drugs or just stupid?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Did I say I quoted you, where did I say you said any of that?

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

So for a year before you tracked this, then the year after you tracked it again, and saw your retention ratios increase so much, that you saw your profits go up, taking out the year's previous retention factor? So basically you increased MONTHS of retention, which is how you would see it in your profits.....

Post proof.

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Post proof.

WTF? Hahahahaha.... clearly you're stupid. Too stupid to even entertain answering, I'm just jaw dropped here.

Agent 488 · 02-21-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

In your trolling world, that is correct... for the rest of us though, we use a bit of logic and know that it takes making mistakes to truly learn inner workings of this business.

Now do you have something to add to the topic or would you like to maybe jump the other trolling way and point out my wife works for the company that puts these events on? Just saving you time...

nah everyone knows that already. she must be cringing at your "promotion."

TheDoc · 02-21-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

nah everyone knows that already. she must be cringing at your "promotion."

Well...that doesn't stop you from pointing it out every chance you get. And sure buddy, she's cringing at something I'm not doing or even am doing, brilliant argument you're building up.

DamianJ · 02-21-2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyber

Post proof.

Oh gosh, let me help you, you've obv gone a bit mental.

You claimed that by giving money to lovely Eric, or whomever, you increased your revenue.

But, you cannot post any proof of your claim being true.

It's a belief.

And I get that and that is why these content removal places has such a genius business model. You're scared of losing sales to file sharing. You pay 15/25/50 grand a year to someone to send of DMCAs for you. You see reports saying files have been removed. You *feel* good about spending the money.

It's great. You feel good, the content removal person gets rich.

Doesn't actually increase your sales. Just costs you money.

But because of the perceived value, you feel brilliant about taking that profit and giving it to someone else.

TheDoc is pointing out you are unable to proof that you are making money from the people that are now unable to illegally download your content. And most importantly, making more money than you are giving your chosen DMCA Sending Out Company.

Zyber · 02-21-2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Oh gosh, let me help you, you've obv gone a bit mental.

DamianJ to the rescue, thanks for helping

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

You claimed that by giving money to lovely Eric, or whomever, you increased your revenue.

Not true. I have never made that claim. Where did you see that? Did I even mention any content removal services?

I talked about content protection.

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Originally Posted by Zyber

I disagree. My profit went up after I protected my streams.

If you want to know about stream protection I can recommend reading some of Robbie's posts or the excellent thread where Borked summed up industry best practices on stream protection.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

But, you cannot post any proof of your claim being true.

It's a belief.

Again, I never made that claim. You did.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

And I get that and that is why these content removal places has such a genius business model. You're scared of losing sales to file sharing. You pay 15/25/50 grand a year to someone to send of DMCAs for you. You see reports saying files have been removed. You *feel* good about spending the money.

It's great. You feel good, the content removal person gets rich.

If the content removal services are effective or not, I don't know. That is not my concern. You will have to ask them. As for sending out DMCAs I think we all know how to send an e-mail. Those guys who have huge content libraries probably need some kind of automated monitoring solution.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Doesn't actually increase your sales. Just costs you money.

But because of the perceived value, you feel brilliant about taking that profit and giving it to someone else.

It increased my sales when the content stopped leaking from the members area.
Thus the increase in profits.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

TheDoc is pointing out you are unable to proof that you are making money from the people that are now unable to illegally download your content.

Wrong. TheDoc is not pointing that out. He made up claims about my retention, which I didn't talk about. I talked about profit.

As a matter of fact I have seen in my log files that someone tried to hack into the members area with different passwords. When the person didn't manage to break in he took out his credit card and paid for access. He became a paying member (who I keep an eye on). Reading that log file was a little victory.

02-19-2011, 12:38 PM	#51
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02-19-2011, 04:22 PM	#59
RycEric Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,313	http://www.chillingeffects.org/weath...?WeatherID=643 http://www.google.com/search?q=site:chillingeffects.org+%22removeyourcon tent%22&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1024&bih=612&prmd=ivns& ei=-ExgTaiANMP6lwe5_vWJDA&start=0&sa=N&filter=0 That's just google Btw... and our "inexperience" of course. Go ahead and search against any of these other "services companies" on there. When I see Xbiz releasing PR's about one blog being taken down (which wasn't even taken down btw).. I was floored but not surprised. They have lost all credibility as a legitimate news source in my book and many others I have spoken to as well. Yet they have to keep this CPR/APAP information running 24/7 in some form or fashion whether it be on a blog, press release or something else. That should tell everyone of you something right there. Yes... everyone should have a choice, however, don't try and lecture us for not being a part of someone's attempt to monopolize on something because they smell blood in the water. How is it that a little company like us can kick these pirate asses and achieve positive results without having to be a "gold sponsor" at a convention, create some upsell seminar to our services or release PR's? Huh? How is that? RESULTS. Last edited by RycEric; 02-19-2011 at 04:24 PM..

02-19-2011, 05:55 PM	#67
WarChild Let slip the dogs of war. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bermuda Posts: 17,263	Eric, quick question for you. Who would I contact at your company in regards to DMCAs being sent against content that someone has explicit permission to upload? What I mean is, sometimes movies I've had listed get DMCA'd from you guys even though the content owner has givin their permission for promotion in this fashion. What I'm guessing happens is that you guys are tasked with protecting all of their content and they don't provide you any list of exceptions? Pure speculation here on my part. In any case, who's the correct contact? Yourself? __________________ .

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Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,790	If you want to stay abreast of industry events and issues, I find that I get most of my information from the Free Speech X-press that comes out every Friday in my email. I was at the X-biz LA and the retreat's participants seemed quite satisfied with the event. I'd suggest you try and attend the next one. If you are worried about companies ripping off your technologies, don't offer up the methods for discussion. Even if you learn one thing, it may be worth more than the trip's costs. Just a suggestion.

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