So i just tried to sign up for a ccbill site - GoFuckYourself.com

Dirty F · 03-24-2005, 07:02 AM

My perfectly fine mastercard got declinded and my epass virtual visa got declined.

And this is far from the first time i tried to buy something through ccbill and it didnt work out.

Project-Shadow · 03-24-2005, 07:03 AM

The epass virtual visa doesn't work with ccbill. The mastercard however is a bit worrying =/

Dirty F · 03-24-2005, 07:04 AM

Ok, didnt know that.

The mastercard is fine..i used it last night in a restaurant for the last time.

Trax · 03-24-2005, 07:10 AM

that sucks bad but confirms exactly what I always thought about CCbill and their scrubbing...

Dirty F · 03-24-2005, 07:12 AM

Last year i referred i think 4 people advanced submitter of which 3 people got their card declined.

DarkJedi · 03-24-2005, 07:14 AM

ccbill scrubbing is very bad

BRISK · 03-24-2005, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Project-Shadow

The epass virtual visa doesn't work with ccbill.

Why not?

polish_aristocrat · 03-24-2005, 07:14 AM

Probably because you're European...

DutchTeenCash · 03-24-2005, 07:14 AM

ICS blocked a bunch yday due to some bigtime fraud, VISA for sure but Ive already heard 2 guys who got their MC blocked, mines not phey phey you might wanna give them a call

polish_aristocrat · 03-24-2005, 07:15 AM

but I agree this scrubbing sucks so much

what's the average scrub level nowadays? already 50%?

imagine how our stats would like if only 10-15% of transactions would be scrubbed

Dusen · 03-24-2005, 07:17 AM

I tried to buy a Bang submit pass and went through 3 credit cards before giving up. I believe they use CCBill.

It indicated that my area of the world was flagged as high fraud/risk. I'm from Canada.

Project-Shadow · 03-24-2005, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BRISK

Why not?

Don't quote me but I believe it's because it's a high risk transaction, same reason you cant load your paypal from your epass visa..

Paycom accepts the epass visa however.

Dirty F · 03-24-2005, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusen

It indicated that my area of the world was flagged as high fraud. I'm from Canada.

Dusen · 03-24-2005, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

No joke, it's a wonder that sites are making me money if people have to go through that.

Then again I don't have to put up with fraud hassles like they do. So who knows overall.

andrej_NDC · 03-24-2005, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

but I agree this scrubbing sucks so much

what's the average scrub level nowadays? already 50%?

imagine how our stats would like if only 10-15% of transactions would be scrubbed

the real scrub level is around 10-15%

I tried mine card a few times and it came through every time. Also a mastercard.

corvette · 03-24-2005, 07:52 AM

Franck, our fraud system looks at the culmination of many factors before determining whether to accept/decline a transaction. icq or email me the email address that you used when you got declined. i can check out the specific reason(s).

45471840
[email protected]

JOKER · 03-24-2005, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

Franck, our fraud system looks at the culmination of many factors before determining whether to accept/decline a transaction. icq or email me the email address that you used when you got declined. i can check out the specific reason(s).

45471840
[email protected]

I guess that was not his point.

Would a surfer email you and go thru the hassle of getting his specific card "whitelisted" because it's fine and maybe just from a bank you had a few CB's from?

Scrubbing is all good and necessary, but imho CCbill is doing it way too hard.

But not that this is any news.

corvette · 03-24-2005, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

I guess that was not his point.

Would a surfer email you and go thru the hassle of getting his specific card "whitelisted" because it's fine and maybe just from a bank you had a few CB's from?

Scrubbing is all good and necessary, but imho CCbill is doing it way too hard.

But not that this is any news.

Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $. You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.

I wanted to check out the decline reason and get on the same page with him with why it was declined, as a professional courtesy?

Imho, making a general judgment on the scrubbing techniques of a processing company off of one or two attempts from one consumer is similar to making a judgment on a website during a server reboot?we do accept thousands of transactions every hour

polish_aristocrat · 03-24-2005, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $. You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.

european processors scrubb far less, I can use my polish card to join f.e "Club Seventeen" but not a CCbill based site

but that's also nothing new

Basic_man · 03-24-2005, 08:20 AM

You are on the blacklist of CCBill :P

JOKER · 03-24-2005, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

Joker, as with any processing company, we only decline cards when we believe that there is a valid reason to not accept the transaction, remember that our fee is a % of what we process, and declines cost us $.

So having a % of CB's from certain banks is reason enough to put their complete cards on the blacklist, ergo blacklisting the bank?

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

You will be very hard pressed to name a processing company that accepts every single transaction attempted.

Please point out where I implied there is any company doing that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

I wanted to check out the decline reason and get on the same page with him with why it was declined, as a professional courtesy?

Do you offer that to every surfer that wants to join a site with a legit card but gets declined for some reason?

Quote:

Originally Posted by corvett

Imho, making a general judgment on the scrubbing techniques of a processing company off of one or two attempts from one consumer is similar to making a judgment on a website during a server reboot?we do accept thousands of transactions every hour

Get real, it's well known CCbill declines alot of cards that are in fact legit cards because the bank of the card has some historical % with chargebacks
in your DB.
It's not like this happens once in a while, and you know it.

I'm not looking for a pissing match with you by all means, just telling you CCbill is scrubbing way too hard, and that makes it harder to get an overall
good signup rate with any site that uses CCBill as their sole processor.

Proove me wrong if saying "CCbill has the hardest scrubbing of all 3rd party processors out there" is totally off the hook.

Is someone from CCbill going to be in Prague at the AOE, then we can have a sit down and talk this out in person as well

e-god · 03-24-2005, 08:46 AM

interesting. What is the 3rd biggest payment processor today? Verotel?

corvette · 03-24-2005, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JOKEREMPIRE

I'm not looking for a pissing match with you by all means

Is someone from CCbill going to be in Prague at the AOE, then we can have a sit down and talk this out in person as well

fair enough, yes we should have somebody at the show that you can discuss scrubbing declines at length with

Dr. Wicks · 03-24-2005, 09:30 AM

I will be in Prague at the show and will be happy to sit down with you and discuss CCBill in detail. CCBill will be sponsoring the Bar area at the entrance and I will be there each and every day. Please stop by and ask for me. I look forward to meeting you.

DraX · 03-24-2005, 09:38 AM

Im happy with ccbill

adonis · 03-24-2005, 02:01 PM

We see many CCbill declines since yesterday. Some of them could signup in the past. I don't like to see "Declined transaction" mails.

03-24-2005, 07:02 AM	#1
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	So i just tried to sign up for a ccbill site My perfectly fine mastercard got declinded and my epass virtual visa got declined. And this is far from the first time i tried to buy something through ccbill and it didnt work out.

03-24-2005, 07:14 AM	#8
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	Probably because you're European... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-24-2005, 07:14 AM	#9
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03-24-2005, 07:15 AM	#10
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	but I agree this scrubbing sucks so much what's the average scrub level nowadays? already 50%? imagine how our stats would like if only 10-15% of transactions would be scrubbed __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

03-24-2005, 07:17 AM	#11
Dusen Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: East Coast. Posts: 2,251	I tried to buy a Bang submit pass and went through 3 credit cards before giving up. I believe they use CCBill. It indicated that my area of the world was flagged as high fraud/risk. I'm from Canada. __________________ Penis Pill Sponsor List and Reviews: http://www.pillsponsors.com Last edited by Dusen; 03-24-2005 at 07:20 AM..

03-24-2005, 07:03 AM	#2
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	The epass virtual visa doesn't work with ccbill. The mastercard however is a bit worrying =/

03-24-2005, 07:04 AM	#3
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Ok, didnt know that. The mastercard is fine..i used it last night in a restaurant for the last time.

03-24-2005, 07:10 AM	#4
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	that sucks bad but confirms exactly what I always thought about CCbill and their scrubbing...

03-24-2005, 07:12 AM	#5
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Last year i referred i think 4 people advanced submitter of which 3 people got their card declined.

03-24-2005, 07:14 AM	#6
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	ccbill scrubbing is very bad

03-24-2005, 07:52 AM	#16
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Franck, our fraud system looks at the culmination of many factors before determining whether to accept/decline a transaction. icq or email me the email address that you used when you got declined. i can check out the specific reason(s). 45471840 [email protected] __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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03-24-2005, 08:46 AM	#22
e-god Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: BabeLand Posts: 1,736	interesting. What is the 3rd biggest payment processor today? Verotel? __________________

03-24-2005, 09:30 AM	#24
Dr. Wicks Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 419	I will be in Prague at the show and will be happy to sit down with you and discuss CCBill in detail. CCBill will be sponsoring the Bar area at the entrance and I will be there each and every day. Please stop by and ask for me. I look forward to meeting you. __________________ Dr. Wicks Our Experience Payze doug at payze.com

03-24-2005, 09:38 AM	#25
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03-24-2005, 02:01 PM	#26
adonis Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 231	We see many CCbill declines since yesterday. Some of them could signup in the past. I don't like to see "Declined transaction" mails.