Rochard

I am stunned. A twenty-nine year old cop wannabe armed with a firearm and TWO FLASHLIGHTS stalked an innocent child in the rain for nearly twenty minutes for no real reason and then shot and killed him and it's perfectly legal.

Our legal system is so fucked up.

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Who cares no white people died

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look at casey anthony she told lies all thru and they let her go.she killed her kid instead of letting her parents have her. this is not the end

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You've been yammering incessantly for a couple of weeks about this. Let it go. It's over. Shut up about it already.

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Rochard

She was freaking guilty as sin too.

I believe in Karma.

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A mob of 20 black guys beat this white guy and the media wouldn't touch the story:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...ce-For-Trayvon

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globofun

Were you there???

Innocent child.....let me cry you a river!

I'm not taking sides, but unless you were there, you have no fucking clues of what happened that night, and this is why there is a justice system in your country!

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I seriously considered it just now while walking the dog... but it's too hot out.

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....and what about the iced tea?

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Seems to be a deadly combination.

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me? or op? id love to play cap gunz dogg

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The OP obviously. What is your problem? Now you want to shoot me. Fuck you!

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Because worse shit happened.

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only if your following me in the dark oh and fuck you what now?

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Rochard

Seems there was rioting in Oakland, California, last night - broken windows and fires. Brilliant.

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Grapesoda

but it's okay to drug women and rape them I guess, you and maDalton got a big laugh out of that in another thread

baddog

I love how you know so much more than those that listened to testimony and looked over the evidence. You had your mind made up before it went to trial; trials are just a waste of money to you I guess.

Hard to believe a Marine would have such disdain for one of the basic principles of this country.

arock10

I was ok with this until you pointed out it was not one but two flashlights

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Only the people that haven't been paying attention are surprised by this verdict. So many unhappy people are just too foolish to understand anything more complicated then a hotdog in boiling water

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I personally watched over 20 hours of this case, live!

THE JURY MADE THE CORRECT DECISION.. and if you think otherwise.. YOU CLEARLY did not watch this case and all the testimony!!

Go look at the evidence, http://crimeandcourtsnews.blogspot.c...l#.UeLD10bn_IU

PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO TRAYVON MARTINS ( PANTS ) notice all the fucking grass stains on his knees ?????

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Rochard

Yes, hard to believe that a US Marine would want someone to die over a fist fight. Because, you know, it's not like US Marines don't get into fist fights on weekly basis.

Stop talking about evidence old man. The evidence is that Martin stalked an innocent kid that was running away from him and then shot and killed him over a fist fight.

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what the fuck is wrong with you?

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The photos say it all.

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melodrama.

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Stunned?

You're an idiot if you thought this was going to end any differently.

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tony286

Here they forgot to include the whole story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1452096.html
One person claimed that Owens spewed racial slurs at the group and even pulled out two knives, according to WPMI.

"It was like kitchen knives," witness David Dinkins told the station. "They were long."

Another witness, Lemicka Whisenhunt, quoted Owens as saying "he's going to lynch all the black kids, he hates black n---ers, he hates that we moved on this street."

Police aren't saying much about the incident Saturday, but they and mayor Sam Jones said the attack is not being investigated as a hate crime, or even a race issue.

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@ thread title

Lichen

Fixed it for you.

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drunk bastard got his ass handed to him this just the starting line. racist are becoming more aggressive. lock and load

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DirtyDanza

Very well said Mr. Baddog

The evidence showed that there is nothing illegal about a neighborhood watch capt observing a suspicious guy walking in the rain who looks like he's on drugs up to no good.. as a marine and any LEO your taught JDLR "just don't look right". and 9 times out of 10 your first gut of JDLR is correct... Zimmerman did nothing wrong here... Police reports show'd a sting of break-in's in that neighborhood everything he said as to why he did what he did never changed and it was corroborated by evidence and forensics. Not Al Sharpton.

he was a punk kid who thought he was a baddass and got got....

you remember being a teenager don't you? when you thought you were invinciable ? you remember the times when all our peers were saying watch out who you fuck with you may get hurt... you don't know who your messing with you will get hurt?


im a fighter... you think I could get away with a fistfight without someone pressing charges? and I know for sure I can kill a man with my hands.... so your saying if im beating you to within inches of what YOU think is your life.. you can't defend yourself? Mr. Rochard if my own son was beating you to within what you thought were inches of your life and you never touched him? you have every right to shooot him dead sir..... every right

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baddog

Perhaps you had not heard, but the jury agrees with me, not you. Your version of the evidence is incorrect as evidenced by the jury verdict. Old man.

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I keep telling myself he's trolling, no one is that stupid post after post.

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Vendzilla

Kid? He was 17, I was 17 and in the Navy, I was no kid and anyone that was bashing a mans head in the concrete is no kid.

Innocent? He was walking thru a gated community Zimmerman was on patrol in an official capacity correct? I'm not that up on the case, because I really don't give a shit once Jesse Jackson gets involved.

Now the NAACP wants Holder to bring federal civil charges against him

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You are correct. We now profile kids and shoot them to death. Outstanding.

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Yeah, and OJ didn't kill his wife either.

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He has already been investigated by the FBI and cleared...so good luck with that.

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The acquittal of George Zimmerman in the death of Trayvon Martin was not minutes old when an outcry was heard over racial injustice and demands for yet another prosecution by the Obama Administration. There was even a call for President Barack Obama to address the nation from the Oval Office to promise action to quell projected violence. With the verdict, the George Zimmerman case entered the realm of legal mythology – a tale told by different groups in radically different ways for different meanings. Fax machines were activated with solicitations and soundbites previously programmed for this moment. The legal standards long ago seemed to be lost to the social symbolism of the case.

Criminal cases make for perfect and often dangerous vehicles for social expression. They allow long-standing social and racial issues to be personified in villains and victims. We simplify facts and characters – discarding those facts that do not fit our narrative. We pile meanings on the outcome that soon make the actual murder secondary to the message. George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin became proxies in a long-standing our unresolved national debate over race.

Before the case is lost forever to the artistic license of social commentary, a few legal observations should be considered, even if unpopular, before condemning this jury.

First, many of us from the first day of the indictment criticized State Attorney Angela Corey for overcharging the case as second-degree murder. While Corey publicly proclaimed that she was above public pressure, her prosecution decisions suggested otherwise. Investigators incorporated the family in key interviews. For example, one key witness was first interviewed by an attorney for Martin’s family and then talked to prosecutors in the home of Martin’s mother. The prosecutors were accused of withholding evidence from the defense until shortly before trial — a delay that the defense said denied them the ability to use text messages that portrayed Martin in a more violent image.

However, the widespread protests and anger over the shooting seemed to have its greatest impact on Corey’s decision to charge the case as murder in the second degree. This was clearly a challenging case even for manslaughter and the decision to push second-degree murder (while satisfying to many in the public) was legally and tactically unwise. The facts simply did not support a claim beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman acted with intent and a “depraved mind, hatred, malice, evil intent or ill will.” Had Corey charged manslaughter, the case might have been closer but would have still been a challenge.

Many people were highly critical of the prosecution for putting on what seemed like a case for Zimmerman. The prosecution clearly made its share of mistakes like leading its case with the testimony of Trayvon Martin’s friend, Rachel Jeantel. Jeantel was a disastrous witness who had to admit to lying previously under oath and produced conflicted testimony. She also stated that just as Zimmerman was accused of calling Martin a derogatory name, Martin called Zimmerman a “cracker.”

The prosecution consistently overplayed its hand in a desperate attempt to overcome its own witnesses, such as handling the damaging testimony from the detective that Martin’s father clearly denied that it was his son calling for help (He later changed his mind after listening to the tape 20 times). Even after being criticized by many experts for overcharging the case, the prosecution proceeded to make a demand at the end of the trial that the jury be able to convict Zimmerman on a different crime: third degree murder based on child abuse. The judge wisely rejected that demand but allowed the jury to consider manslaughter as a lesser charge.

However, in the end it was the case and not the prosecution that was demonstrably weak. The fact is that we had no better an idea of what happened that night at the end of this trial than we had at the end of that fateful night. Jurors don’t make social judgments or guesses on verdicts. While many have criticized Zimmerman for following Martin, citizens are allowed to follow people in their neighborhood. That is not unlawful. It was also lawful for Zimmerman to be armed. The question comes down to who started the fight and whether Zimmerman was acting in self-defense.

Various witnesses said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and said that they believed that Zimmerman was the man calling for help. Zimmerman had injuries. Not serious injuries but injuries to his head from the struggle. Does that mean that he was clearly the victim. No. It does create added doubt on the question of the use of lethal force.

There is also no evidence as to who threw the first punch or committed the first physical act in the struggle. A juror could not simply assume Zimmerman was the aggressor. Zimmerman was largely consistent in his accounts and his account was consistent with some witnesses. After 38 prosecution witnesses, there was nothing more than a call for the jury to assume the worst facts against Zimmerman without any objective piece of evidence. That is the opposite of the standard of a presumption of innocence in a criminal trial. There was evidence to support both accounts but that evidence remained in equipoise, leaving the jury with no objective basis to reject one over the other.

Even for manslaughter, the jury had to find that George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin. but was told that “a killing that is excusable or was committed by the use of justifiable deadly force is lawful.” The jury instruction on deadly force states in part: “A person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself.” That lesser charge still brings the jury back to the question of who started the fight and how the fight unfolded. The prosecutors never had evidence to answer that question in a reasonably definitive way. In the end, the jury had no serious alternative to acquittal. That does not mean that they liked Zimmerman or his actions. It does not even mean that they believed Zimmerman. It means that they could not convict a man based on a presumption of guilt.

Of course, little of this matters in the wake of a high-profile case. The case and its characters long ago took on the qualities of legend. A legend is defined as “a traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but unauthenticated.” People will make what they will of the murder trial of George Zimmerman. However, this jury proved that the justice system remains a matter not of legend but law.

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Did you mean ignorant? I hope I sense sarcasm....

But these people have the Same ill informed and emotionally motivated mind set as you...

I have a slim outlook for this country or human race.

The legal system would rater let 99 guilty people go than convict one innocent person.

The is NO evidence that Zimmerman did NOT act in self defense...

How many Black "KIDS" died last weekend???

OMG

If Zimmerman would of been black, it would of all been ok, because it is normal?????

I blame Obama... and then Civil Rights Activists for making Millions keeping racism alive, for this country torn apart.
I also blame Social Sites and the severely undereducated youth of America these days.

The person that blows my mind is You Rochard.. Older white male in what late 40's and was in the Marines?

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there is no real proof. she owed some dangerous people over 100 grand on a drug debt that's real. the streets know the truth. kato kaelin knows if he talks the streets will answer he's no dummy. why do you think he had no problem putting on the gloves? they were not his!

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Pigshit on all counts.

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brassmonkey

it's fake because you can't understand it. a lot of shit falls thru the cracks because people refuse to listen. she owed the money and oj refused to pay it because she was laying up with men on his property. he always paid her drug debt b4 that.

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Rochard

Martin felt threatened by a older man armed with a gun following him for twenty minutes. Martin ran from him. Martin was acting in self defense.

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Rochard

Race doesn't matter to me here. If it was a white neighborhood watch person and my white child, it wouldn't change anything.

This is exactly what happens when you have untrained armed civilians running around in the dark looking for trouble playing police officer.

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he should have went home. you follow someone like that and dont reveal your security

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