brassmonkey

i hope his death is slow and painful. op thank you for protecting my family

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Why couldn't the kid be a normal person and use his words? "Why are you following me? Oh i see. Im staying over at so and so's house. You can call them if you want. I was just coming from the variety store. See my candy? Oh, thats not a problem. I understand how you might be suspicious of a stranger walking down your street at night after you telling me about your robbery problems. Have a nice evening."

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kronic

In fairness, if someone was following me under those circumstances I probably wouldn't stop to find out what they wanted either.

But MY question would be why didn't HE phone the police to tell them he was being followed?

baddog

He has already said that does not matter. I am trying to figure the relevance of him having two flashlights; TBH, I don't recall the testimony saying he had two flashlights (unless Rochard means the one on the pistol), however, I do recall GZ saying the one he had did not work and I recall a witness saying the one GZ used was too light to be an effective weapon (he admitted that he thought it was going to be a heavier one, like cops used. He pretty much laughed at the idea of it being a weapon).

Captain Kawaii

That would have been the logical response to GZ AFTER TM's father had a conversation with TM about being careful out there. Neither happened. I wonder why?

TheSquealer

He was so terrified and in fear for his life that he talked to some chick he'd only met 3 times, on the phone almost the entire time, instead of calling the police or just continuing to walk home.

Meanwhile, just weeks before....

"Trayvon’s backpack contained 12 pieces of jewelry, in addition to a watch and a large flathead screwdriver, according to the report, which described silver wedding bands and earrings with diamonds.

Trayvon was asked if the jewelry belonged to his family or a girlfriend.

Martin replied “it’s not mine. A friend gave it to me,” .... Trayvon declined to name the friend."

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...#storylink=cpy

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Rochard

Very good question.

Being the only adult involved, and the only member of the neighborhood watch, why didn't Zimmerman identify himself as a member of the neighborhood watch? He couldn't roll down the window and say "My name is George Zimmerman, and I am a member of the neighborhood watch. Can you help you?" Maybe if Zimmerman was more interested in being an adult and less interested in playing police officer, that seventeen year old kid would be alive today.

This is a huge part of the problem with what happened. Zimmerman handled this like an idiot from the beginning. He profiled a seventeen year old child, he failed to identify himself, he followed a suspect in the dark, and he failed to follow the advice of the 911 operator. Everything he could have done wrong, he did.

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Rochard

He was too busy running away.

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Rochard

And?

While everyone knows exactly what happened a week prior, that night he was nothing more than a seventeen year old kid waking back from the store. He didn't have a screw driver, he had a bag of skittles and an ice tea.

Imagine if your wife / girlfriend / sister / daughter goes out to the store wearing a hoodie in the rain and gets shot dead on the way home for no reason.

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TheSquealer

I can't imagine my girlfriend running around in a gated community, in the night, in the rain, in a place she didn't live in and wasn't known by anyone, darting in and out of other peoples private property, in the dark, in an area plagued by burglaries... then ultimately walking up to someone and punching them in the face and jumping on top of them and continuing to beat the shit out of them, breaking their nose, banging their head on the sidewalk, punching their face as they scream for help for nearly a minute with witnesses.

And i would submit that its relevant that a dude who got busted with a backpack full of womens jewelry just weeks prior might have very well been looking at acting like who would steal womens jewelry. Do your kids do that too?

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TheSquealer

.... who just weeks before got busted with backpack containing a large screw driver and womens jewelry, refusing to say where it came from and who was wandering around in the dark in a gated community he did not live in, which was plagued by breakins/burgleries.

Maybe Zimmerman was dead on in his assumptions THAT LED HIM TO CALL THE POLICE BEFORE HE DID ANYTHING AT ALL.

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theking

He wasn't to busy to be on the phone with a girlfriend telling her that he would not run when she told him to run...now was he?

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brassmonkey

why are you still trying to work it out? you protest if that doesn't work you try something else. this country is headed towards when the talking is over. we now are picking sides for what may be the second civil war. this time there will be all kinds of colors on both sides.

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Pigshit.

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Rochard

Yet he did run didn't he?

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Rochard

I did not create the US legal system, nor do I support the concept that if found innocent at a criminal court you get to sue to them in civil court. I haven't given this much thought, but you shouldn't be able to take someone to civil court if they've already been found innocent in criminal court. I understand the differences, but if you think about it this just doesn't make sense.

We are not about to have a civil war over this.

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Just Alex

Korean store owners will make it a very short war. Will fuck you up again and again just like they did during LA riots. That taught you vauable lesson really fast.

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Not that the girlfriend was aware of...not that I am aware of.

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we are going to be seeing violence like we have never seen b4 on top of that there are terrorist waiting for the right moment.

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baddog

Is that a threat?

24/7 Blogging Crew

pretty much a promise wouldn't be surprised if a couple pressure cookers go off soon

RFremont

Perhaps because a few weeks/months ago (not sure of the date), his school security found women's jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack that he claimed 'a friend gave to him'. I think phoning the police would kind of be like reporting on himself, wouldn't it.


Here's another point; if he was staying at his dad's girlfriend's house for some time, wouldn't he have known that the community has a watch group, so that the 'creepy ass cracker' following him was very likely community vigilance? Just throwing it out there...


For those that say 'a kid got shot for just walking home with skittles', all those people should be sent to space to live on the moon together in idiocy.

George Zimmerman had intention and malice to shoot the 'kid' but he decided to call the police first?


It's just absurd arguing with morons.

RFremont

sorry for the double post... that little detail there.

crazies

Are you fucking serious? C'mom Roch your head isn't that fucking hard is it????

You obviously get your news from underneath a fucking rock. Know what you're posting about in the future cuz you are looking really fucking stupid on this one.

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Rochard

Are you not paying attention?

Zimmerman told the 911 operator that Martin was running away from him.

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Rochard

Not at all. Seventeen year old kids don't pay any kind of attention to things like that.

We've had a string of broken windshields in my hometown for the past month, but I am guessing my kid knows nothing about it. It's just not something that ends up on their radar.

No one is saying that Zimmerman set out that night to shoot someone. He went out with the best of intentions.

Instead, Zimmerman pursued the kid for seventeen minutes, scaring the kid to the point where Martin ran away from Zimmerman. Martin ran away from him, and Zimmerman continued to pursue him. A confrontation took place - who punched who first is irrelevant because both sides can claim self defense - and Zimmerman shot and killed the kid because he was on the loosing end of a fist fight.

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brassmonkey

well the protest has spilled onto the freeway in california no shots fired yet

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TheSquealer

Yet another fabrication and gross distortion of the facts on your part.... and a matter where the law is quite clear disagrees with your overly emotional and irrational opinion you insist on representing as fact.

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_Richard_

call the police?

the people who didn't think a dead teenager was worth investigating?

escorpio

Any negro that calls for a race war isn't very good at math.

_Richard_

that's funny, i remember the last race war going in their favour

guess that wasn't covered in your history books.. probably got cut along with 'evolution'

escorpio

Fixed it for you.

Rochard

He was running from an armed man who was chasing him....

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_Richard_

yea you guys do that a lot.

makes for a pretty world, yes?

L-Pink

Quit playing dumb. The facts of the case then, and they were investigated, were insufficient evidence to press charges under Florida law.

Just as the court/jury found him not-guilty for the exact same reasons. Quit making shit up.


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TheSquealer

Not to mention that after extensive investigation, by local police and the state prosecutors office, the governor got directly involved in preventing them from calling a grand jury to determine if there was enough evidence to charge Zimmerman... which would be standard procedure.

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escorpio

It's called "reality." You should try a dose.

TheSquealer

You are distorting the facts. Whether or not he briefly ducked between houses - causing Zimmerman to jump out of his car briefly to look to see where he went as he was directing police to Martins location, who were basically less than a few minutes away, does not mean that Martin "was running for his life" as you would like people to believe.

Furthermore, there is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest that Martin knew Zimmerman was armed until he was on top of him, kicking his ass... so no, he was not "running from an armed man". Another gross distortion of the facts on your part.

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dyna mo

we need a gfy independent adjudicator to resolver y'alls differences. i can handle that, lemme know. we can get this cleared up and off the front page asap and y'all can get back to pron. or 9/11, either way.

_Richard_

along with the millions who agree with me.

do you think there is millions who think zimmermans innocent? i think maybe a million. maybe.

TheSquealer

I think the FBI, the state prosecutors office, the district attorneys office, the investigating officers, eye witnesses, expert witnesses, the defense, the prosecution and the facts/evidence along with a 6 person jury made it extremely clear what the facts where and who is right or wrong.

but thanks

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dyna mo

i figured so too, yet you're still here arguing about it all. it's pretty funny to watch from the sidelines, especially when considering this case means absolutelty nothing to anyone outside the parties involved. no lives have changed here as a result of this but the arguing is like this is life or death.

_Richard_

is that accurate tho?

I think this has the possibility of becoming a cataclysmic event for areas still in the grip of racism

TheSquealer

History in the age of the internet is not written by the victors. History is written by irrational, emotional and reactive people who simply keep saying their version over and over until it becomes increasingly accepted as you see with this case.

I think that people should be reminding others of the facts in such an emotionally and racially charged incident, rather than allowing others to continually change, edit, and misrepresent the facts and create an alternate, fabricated version of events causing others, like some on this very forum to prepare for and cheer on race riots.

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L-Pink

Anyone who expects "Justice" from a court case like this is very naive.

Courthouses aren't built to disperse justice they are built to disperse the law.

Under Florida Law Zimmerman was found not guilty.

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dyna mo

it's my observation, but i'll pose the question here,

has anyone arguing in this thread, or the mega thread even, been personally impacted by this case?

Minte

You are correct in your view..which is why the administrators of this board gave us the IGNORE feature. Debating with some of these people is like herding cats.

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Throwing facts at them is very much like throwing water at cats.

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dyna mo

oh, i hear ya. i come here to do the same, or did up till recently. it's fun but futile, right? take this thred, rochard is arguing his side more vehemently than ever. regardless that every point in this thread was argued ad naseum in the mega thread.

moreover, it's brought out more rochards to sort out too, it seems.

either way, i know there's no point to gfy, i was actually being my smart aleck self suggesting an independent whatever. i loled when i typed it. thought it was funny.

Tom_PM

I watched a lot of the trial from the local website who had a live blog everyday. They would put up polls and it was a pretty solid 75 - 80% who felt Zimmerman was not guilty of anything. Personally, I feel it was pretty clear that he was way way out of line but I wasn't on the jury or in the court room.

Detectives said based on GZ's accounts of TM's actions, they would not have even bothered to stop and question him. They also didn't understand why he followed and made several corrections to him to let him know they knew he WAS following. They also didn't understand why he NEVER once said who he was or said he was neighborhood watch or anything else at all. It's quite impossible that he didn't know the name of one of the three streets in the complex he called home for 4 years and was neighborhood watch captain of. The very idea of "smothering" which GZ initially put a lot of emphasis on fell apart when he heard of the audio recording where you can hear him yelling for help until he fires his weapon. There was also no blood on TM's hands. Hmm.. I think I could go on for a long time on the inconsistent stories of GZ, but hey, according to the defense, if a story doesn't change a little with each re-telling, it's probably a lie. Clear as mud.

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