Lock Down The USA/ Mexican Border NOW!

[SallyRand]

Or let our people start shooting back!

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...rtley/19658735

"Oct. 3) -- Dodging gunfire from pirates on a Texas-Mexico border lake, Tiffany Hartley was forced to make an impossible choice: risk her life by staying with her husband or return to land and seek help.

The couple were sightseeing on Jet Skis on the Mexican-side of Falcon Lake on Thursday when Hartley says several boats of gunmen opened fire, striking her husband in the back of his head.

A recording of her 911 call released this weekend and reports from law enforcement officials detail the tragic incident.

"He was thrown off the Jet Ski and I couldn't pick him up to get him on mine," Hartley, 29, told the 911 dispatcher after she safely made it to shore. "Oh, God."

"She said she was seeing bullets hitting close to her in the water and realized that her husband had been hit behind the head," Zapata County, Texas, Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez Jr. told ABC News. "She went back trying to find, trying to help him. She went in the water trying to load up her husband to her Jet Ski ... trying to get his body and Jet Ski back to the U.S. side. She was being shot at so she finally had to let go of the body, climb back in her Jet Ski and head back over here to the United States."

Hartley told police that the armed men, who Gonzalez said he believes are pirates associated with a Mexican drug cartel, chased her into U.S. waters as she fled.

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.

Officials are still searching Falcon Lake for the body of her husband, David Michael Hartley, 30, according to Fox News.

"The one thing I dreaded on Falcon Lake has happened," said the Zapata County sheriff. "The lake is not secure, the border is not secure because the incident that I dreaded the most has in fact happened. We cannot go to Mexico, we cannot recover that body, we cannot conduct an investigation, we have to tell the family we can't do anything about it."

[DBS.US]

The couple were sightseeing on Jet Skis on the Mexican-side of Falcon Lake

Stay alive, Stay far away from Mexico

[papill0n]

[Spunky]

What a horrible ordeal to go through

[leg4]

Most Mexican people a good, nice people.

But I want the ones here to be in our Tax system and trackable.

As for now...Stay away from the Mexican border... these are ruthless Drug gangs that have no care for Human lives.

[potter]

Way to think for yourself there.

So should we lock down any American city where people are shot at?

Or let any country from which their tourists are shot at in this country attack our country?

[SallyRand]

The fix for this............MA DEUCE:

[campimp]

they tried with the wall...

it has done a pretty good job... at increasing immigrant deaths, running up huge budget problems, and increasing fear among millions of americans

unfortunately... it has also resulted in NO decreases in drugs or immigrants making it into the US


the only way to reduce the violence at the border is to legalize marijuana in my opinion

[adult-help]

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.
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yeah sure. Also you forgot to add that god didnt like to save your husband and so he let them kill him...so god saved your life but he let them kill your husband. for some reason, maybe he was trying to show you your husband was not the right one for you?. God kept you alive so you can live in misery from now on, mourning you dead husband and ruined life..now lets pray for this miracle he gave you when he kept you alive...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by campimp

they tried with the wall...

it has done a pretty good job... at increasing immigrant deaths, running up huge budget problems, and increasing fear among millions of americans

unfortunately... it has also resulted in NO decreases in drugs or immigrants making it into the US

the only way to reduce the violence at the border is to legalize marijuana in my opinion

I've seen that wall and I saw the wall the Communist block put around Eastern Europe. The US/Mexican border is a joke compared with the Communist one.

Was watching a program recently on National Geographic, most of the marijuana in the US is grown in the US. Sometimes by enthusiasts and often by organised crime gangs.

[HerPimp]

US has over 700 military sites, Move a few to the border

[Davy]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.

She deserves to be shot for this comment.
Fucking stupid Christian cunt!

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Great Story If Tiffany Hartley Wanted Her Husband Dead
October 3rd, 2010

So a young woman tires of her husband, or maybe she is scared to death of him if she is a victim of ongoing domestic violence, her husband kicking the shit out of her whenever he needs to bring her into line.

What if for some reason divorce is not an option for her and that she needed to come up with a workable plan to get away with murder?

What if the only way out of her marriage and to cash in at the same time was for her to commit murder?

Hmm?

Far be it from CC to just come right and say that 21-year-old Tiffany Hartley found herself in a boring or abusive marriage and that in order to get out of that marriage, she concocted a plan to take her husband out to sea and put a bullet in the back of his head.

The young Mrs. Hartley could be a cold and calculating woman right, evil to the core. It?s not like those kind of women don?t exist on this planet.

It?s more than just a little possible that she could have shot her husband in the back of the head while they were jet-skiing on a popular lake that straddles the Texan and Mexican border, and to cover her tracks, she come out with a damn good story. Much like the one she?s telling now.

It?s also possible that her husband?s life insurance policy is worth more than any divorce settlement she would receive.

According to Mrs. Hartley, she and her 30-year-old husband David were jet-skiing on Falcon Reservoir, when armed pirates opened fire on them; a bullet striking her husband in the back of the head.

When her husband fell into the water, she says she tried to pull him onto her jet-ski, while bullets were whizzing over her head.

What a brave woman and she was obviously luckier than her husband was too, what with pirates shooting at her as they closed in on her idling jet-ski.

Unable to pull her husband onto her jet-ski (he?s twice the size of her), and after seeing the bullet wound in the back of his head, Mrs. Hartley decided that the only way she was going to survive was to abandon her husband and flee on her jet ski. Good f**king call for a woman whose husband had just been shot in the head by pirates, don?t you think?

Glad to hear she was calm enough to make such a rational decision. Good on her.

?It?s a miracle I?m even here,? she said during a telephone interview with the Denver Post. It must have been extremely difficult for her to tell such a heartbreaking and terrifying story so soon after her husband?s death. Her husband was shot and killed by these so-called pirates the day before yesterday by the way.

A fisherman claims he saw Mrs. Hartley racing back to the U.S. border and that a boat was following her into U.S. waters. Nothing has been said, not yet anyway, that he heard gunfire coming from the boat that he saw following her.

Authorities have searched for Mr. Hartley?s body, but unfortunately they aren?t allowed to enter Mexican waters, and get this; local police efforts have been hampered because somebody removed the motor from their boat.

Don?t sweat it officers, sharks probably made a meal out of Mr. Hartley by now, circling his corpse the moment they picked up the sent of his blood and moving into to devour him only after Mrs. Hartley fled the scene. That?s what CC is thinking happened to the body, but then again, the pirates might have taken the body too.

This could very well be one of those oh so elusive perfect murders we rarely hear about.

ADG

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by potter

Way to think for yourself there.

So should we lock down any American city where people are shot at?

Or let any country from which their tourists are shot at in this country attack our country?

You're an idiot
.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by adult-help

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.
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yeah sure. Also you forgot to add that god didnt like to save your husband and so he let them kill him...so god saved your life but he let them kill your husband. for some reason, maybe he was trying to show you your husband was not the right one for you?. God kept you alive so you can live in misery from now on, mourning you dead husband and ruined life..now lets pray for this miracle he gave you when he kept you alive...

I don't disagree with your assessment in the least.

But, like you said, she's got nothing left now except misery... and her silly superstitions. If she can draw some comfort from the latter then so be it.
.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.

so her husband wasn't? Nice selective god
so sick of people who say this crap.

[ilnjscb]

Originally Posted by adult-help

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.
----

yeah sure. Also you forgot to add that god didnt like to save your husband and so he let them kill him...so god saved your life but he let them kill your husband. for some reason, maybe he was trying to show you your husband was not the right one for you?. God kept you alive so you can live in misery from now on, mourning you dead husband and ruined life..now lets pray for this miracle he gave you when he kept you alive...

Don't forget the killers are also scott free and will stay so because of God's protection. Man, God is handing out candy like it was Halloween!

[HeadPimp]

To me, this feels like Mexico has unofficially declared war on us. If armed people from one country in any other part of the world started shooting people from the neighboring country, it would be international incident. So WTF is up with the USA. Do we not have the balls to shoot back?

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by HeadPimp

To me, this feels like Mexico has unofficially declared war on us. If armed people from one country in any other part of the world started shooting people from the neighboring country, it would be international incident. So WTF is up with the USA. Do we not have the balls to shoot back?

Not as long as the White House is occupied by The Chosen One.

[brassmonkey]

here in Arizona they were saying crime dropped a great deal. the spokesman was acting like he was afraid to say since most illegals are gone crime has dropped greatly. At the end he affirmed that the big drop in illegals was the factor in the drop in crime.

[Sly]

LOL. I knew a few of you would pick out the God comment and go crazy with it. Some just find it absolutely impossible to understand how others have different beliefs. Very tolerant of you.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by HeadPimp

To me, this feels like Mexico has unofficially declared war on us. If armed people from one country in any other part of the world started shooting people from the neighboring country, it would be international incident. So WTF is up with the USA. Do we not have the balls to shoot back?

How is it a declaration of war? It's a known problematic gang issue that Mexico is trying to fight but cannot deal with it. This isn't like Hezbollah or Hamas fighting with Israel. The drug cartels are not part of the Mexican government (aside from bribes and corruption.)

[seeandsee]

mexico is on fire

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

here in Arizona they were saying crime dropped a great deal. the spokesman was acting like he was afraid to say since most illegals are gone crime has dropped greatly. At the end he affirmed that the big drop in illegals was the factor in the drop in crime.

Can't say anything like this around the Democrats though!

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by campimp

...the only way to reduce the violence at the border is to legalize marijuana in my opinion

Yep, exactly.

Prohibition of popular substances brings violence. Legalize cannabis and treat addiction (mere use does NOT equate to addiction) as a health issue - keep law enforcement out of it.

Ron

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Yep, exactly.

Prohibition of popular substances brings violence. Legalize cannabis and treat addiction (mere use does NOT equate to addiction) as a health issue - keep law enforcement out of it.

Ron

Except marijuana isn't the only thing the cartels are smuggling in. Legalize everything? Cocaine, heroin, weapons, people?

[minicivan]

Originally Posted by Sly

LOL. I knew a few of you would pick out the God comment and go crazy with it. Some just find it absolutely impossible to understand how others have different beliefs. Very tolerant of you.

Why she thinks God was protecting her but God allowed her husband to get shot in the head? Does she and God have a special agreement that her husband and God didn't?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Yep, exactly.

Prohibition of popular substances brings violence. Legalize cannabis and treat addiction (mere use does NOT equate to addiction) as a health issue - keep law enforcement out of it.

Ron

Yes because legalizing pot will stop the gangs from smuggling cocaine, heroin and meth across the border. . Did legalizing booze stop the mob? No they just moved on to other things. So unless your for legalizing every single drug ever made you're not stopping drug violence.

[campimp]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes because legalizing pot will stop the gangs from smuggling cocaine, heroin and meth across the border. . Did legalizing booze stop the mob? No they just moved on to other things. So unless your for legalizing every single drug ever made you're not stopping drug violence.

i think, although i do not have concrete facts, that a reason why legalizing marijuana would indeed drop the violence at the border is because there are a lot more "mexican gangs" involved in the marijuana trade, while the heroin and cocain trade is a bit more specialized, with the violence involved being more constrained to within mexico and not spiling across the border.

the cocaine and heroin cartels are not sending hundreds of smugglers across each day. they are better financed, and more interested in doing "smart" smuggling. marijuana smugglers have more of the "they cant stop us all" attitude and therefore try to push as much through as they can all the time, because if they lose a couple shipments now and there its not that big of a loss, and therefore there are more of the lower level men located close to both sides of the borders which is where the majority of the violence is coming from.

i could be wrong, thats how i would imagine it plays out though

but maybe we will get lucky and our next president will not be like "the chosen one" and will start a war with mexico... that would probably work out pretty good for america

[Sly]

Originally Posted by campimp

i think, although i do not have concrete facts, that a reason why legalizing marijuana would indeed drop the violence at the border is because there are a lot more "mexican gangs" involved in the marijuana trade, while the heroin and cocain trade is a bit more specialized, with the violence involved being more constrained to within mexico and not spiling across the border.

the cocaine and heroin cartels are not sending hundreds of smugglers across each day. they are better financed, and more interested in doing "smart" smuggling. marijuana smugglers have more of the "they cant stop us all" attitude and therefore try to push as much through as they can all the time, because if they lose a couple shipments now and there its not that big of a loss, and therefore there are more of the lower level men located close to both sides of the borders.

i could be wrong, thats how i would imagine it plays out though

Let's say that you are right. So we go ahead and legalize marijuana. Americans no longer need Mexican shipments. Do you really think the drug cartels would be okay with that? They would just take the massive financial hit, walk away, and get a job at 7-11?

No, they would find something else. There is no personal investment in marijuana for them, they like the money. That's why they do it.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by campimp

but maybe we will get lucky and our next president will not be like "the chosen one" and will start a war with mexico... that would probably work out pretty good for america

Even if the USA did "start a war with Mexico", it would only last about an hour-and-a-half, besides, it's pretty apparent that Mexico has already repeatedly attacked the USA or it's citizens with or without the approval of its pathetic, corrupt and ineffective government.

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by Sly

Except marijuana isn't the only thing the cartels are smuggling in. Legalize everything? Cocaine, heroin, weapons, people?

Yep, cocaine and heroin too. Heck, cocaine can still be legally prescribed. Treat addiction as a health issue.

With that said, much of the smuggling involves cannabis, so legalizing that alone would go a long way towards reducing drug war violence.

Ron

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Yep, cocaine and heroin too. Heck, cocaine can still be legally prescribed. Treat addiction as a health issue.

Ron

All the teabaggers and republicans don't want sick kids to have health insurance who is going to pay for addicts to get treatment? Addicts don't have the cash.

[Ron Bennett]

Originally Posted by GatorB

All the teabaggers and republicans don't want sick kids to have health insurance who is going to pay for addicts to get treatment? Addicts don't have the cash.

Sadly many don't think this stuff through ... so lets spend tens of thousand of dollars per year instead to lock them up in prison, plus then pay for government housing, food stamps, etc for them when they get out, since they won't be able to get a job most anywhere due to having a criminal record ...

And to top it off, it's highly likely many will re-offend, often committing a more serious crime - one who has nothing, has nothing to lose - it's no wonder it's a war zone in many places.

Addiction treatment, heck even if it's at an in-patient facility, is often cheaper, and certainly better for society than prison.

Ron

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Or let our people start shooting back!

The couple were sightseeing on Jet Skis on the Mexican-side of Falcon Lake on Thursday when Hartley says several boats of gunmen opened fire, striking her husband in the back of his head.

Sad that the dude got shot but they were in Fucking Mexico.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by alessergod

Sad that the dude got shot but they were in Fucking Mexico.

So that makes it OK for Frito Bandito to whack the guy?

It's a lake with the border running right through it.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by leg4

Most Mexican people a good, nice people.

But I want the ones here to be in our Tax system and trackable.

As for now...Stay away from the Mexican border... these are ruthless Drug gangs that have no care for Human lives.

Yes, most of them are wonderful, kind people. But there is a huge drug war going on in Mexico and it's centered right around our border, where they smuggle the drugs into the US. That's got to be the last place in the world anyone would want to be.

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by campimp

they tried with the wall...

it has done a pretty good job... at increasing immigrant deaths, running up huge budget problems, and increasing fear among millions of americans

unfortunately... it has also resulted in NO decreases in drugs or immigrants making it into the US


the only way to reduce the violence at the border is to legalize marijuana in my opinion

No, they didn't try a wall. They tried putting a line of popcorn that was 6 feet tall.

A wall of mexican bodies, seperated by bodypart, heads here, arms and legs here, intenstines over there, complimented by rows of marines and tanks that WE pay for, ordered to shoot on sight, now that would be a wall.

[camperjohn64]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Addiction treatment, heck even if it's at an in-patient facility, is often cheaper, and certainly better for society than prison.

Ron

Addition treatment has been shown to be very effective in countries like Switzerland and Sweden where it is truely considered to be an addiction, not a crime.

Punching an old lady in the face is a crime. Compulsive behavoir, be it eating too much chocolate, or drug addiction, is just a fact of the way the brain short-circuits itself.

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

So that makes it OK for Frito Bandito to whack the guy?

It's a lake with the border running right through it.

I didn't say it was ok, but in your safe bastion of Kansas you don't have to worry bout it. For us that live in border states it is well known that ya better watch your ass along the mexican side of the border. Been that way for years, it is not something new.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Can't say anything like this around the Democrats though!

well it's a fact. they may even trim the police department. looked like the officer was worried low crime equals layoff.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by alessergod

I didn't say it was ok, but in your safe bastion of Kansas you don't have to worry bout it. For us that live in border states it is well known that ya better watch your ass along the mexican side of the border. Been that way for years, it is not something new.

I take it that you have never heard of places like Garden City, Kansas, which place has an illegalalien population of some 15,000 plus, the Argetine area of Kanas City, Kansas with an unknown illegal population which is suspected to exceed 25,000, Dodge City, Wichita and a blevy of Kansas towns infected with the scourge of illegals and the associated violence?

And just how are people on that lake supposed to know exactly where the border is? I mean, I don't know; do you? Is it makrded in some way with buoys?

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

I take it that you have never heard of places like Garden City, Kansas, which place has an illegalalien population of some 15,000 plus, the Argetine area of Kanas City, Kansas with an unknown illegal population which is suspected to exceed 25,000, Dodge City, Wichita and a blevy of Kansas towns infected with the scourge of illegals and the associated violence?

And just how are people on that lake supposed to know exactly where the border is? I mean, I don't know; do you? Is it makrded in some way with buoys?

Garden City Population
White alone - 13,922 (48.7%)
Hispanic - 12,765 (44.7%)
Asian alone - 1,015 (3.6%)
Black alone - 467 (1.6%)
American alone - 276 (1.0%)
Two or more races - 137 (0.5%)

from
http://www.city-data.com/city/Garden-City-Kansas.html

So your saying all the hispanics in Garden City are illegal. And if so, why haven't the local authorities done something about. I'm pretty sure the area is pro rebublican and anti-illegal immigrant. On Lake Flacon you should know where you are as only on small arm of it is in Texas and the rest of the lake is in Mexico.

[SallyRand]

Originally Posted by alessergod

Garden City Population
White alone - 13,922 (48.7%)
Hispanic - 12,765 (44.7%)
Asian alone - 1,015 (3.6%)
Black alone - 467 (1.6%)
American alone - 276 (1.0%)
Two or more races - 137 (0.5%)

from
http://www.city-data.com/city/Garden-City-Kansas.html

So your saying all the hispanics in Garden City are illegal. And if so, why haven't the local authorities done something about. I'm pretty sure the area is pro rebublican and anti-illegal immigrant. On Lake Flacon you should know where you are as only on small arm of it is in Texas and the rest of the lake is in Mexico.

Didn't say that.

Illegals do not show up on the records. That's why they are called illegals. Is the border marked in any way or do you just throw the bones and determine your postion from they way they fall?

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by adult-help

"I'm alive because of God's protection. There is no other reason," she told The Denver Post.
----

yeah sure. Also you forgot to add that god didnt like to save your husband and so he let them kill him...so god saved your life but he let them kill your husband. for some reason, maybe he was trying to show you your husband was not the right one for you?. God kept you alive so you can live in misery from now on, mourning you dead husband and ruined life..now lets pray for this miracle he gave you when he kept you alive...

God was probably doing the husband a favor(mercy kill)
The wife sounds like a bible thumping nagger

[Vendzilla]

I don't understand, where was the warning sign the Obama Adminstration put up to protect us at?

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Sadly many don't think this stuff through ... so lets spend tens of thousand of dollars per year instead to lock them up in prison, plus then pay for government housing, food stamps, etc for them when they get out, since they won't be able to get a job most anywhere due to having a criminal record ...


Ron

Most America are too stupid or lazy to se the "big picture" they want sound bite answers. Just like Obama care. All idiots see is "$1 tillion cost" even though in the long run it saves $1.4 trillion. Funny how the same people that claim to care about passing debt onto their grandkids wants to not save them $1.4 trillion.

[alessergod]

Originally Posted by SallyRand

Didn't say that.

Illegals do not show up on the records. That's why they are called illegals. Is the border marked in any way or do you just throw the bones and determine your postion from they way they fall?

So is the 15K a guess, shot in the dark?

Yes the border is clearly marked.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Most America are too stupid or lazy to se the "big picture" they want sound bite answers. Just like Obama care. All idiots see is "$1 tillion cost" even though in the long run it saves $1.4 trillion. Funny how the same people that claim to care about passing debt onto their grandkids wants to not save them $1.4 trillion.

so everything the CBO says, you ignore?
http://www.cbo.gov/publications/collections/health.cfm
About $124 billion of that savings stems from provisions dealing with health care and federal revenues.

You know what federal revenues are right?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-88458137.html
Or do you think that 16.5k new IRS agents are going to be a good thing?

[beerptrol]

Nothing surprises me anymore, for all I know she could have planned it with others so that her husband would be killed. Never say never