Business Thread... Am I the only paysite owner fed up of blogs misusing my content?
 

I've kept quiet about this long enough. Blogs are running wild taking our content and promoting AFF and others. They put a simple banner at the bottom to Twistys and think that makes it OK! Not in my books. Am I the only one fed up with this practice? The worst part is arguing with these blog owners. They are telling me I'm wrong :Oh crap

This is for other paysite owners that have high quality content. For Ftv Girls, Atk, Karups, Met Art, Hegre, Scoreland, MediumPimpin, Sapphic Erotica, 1byday, Matt's Models, Danni.com, Penthouse, Lensman Playboy and others. How do you feel about blogs taking your content and using it like this.

Example 1: fusker style with links between pics to other sponsors
http://www.bodsforthemods.com/galler...-With-Faith-4/
http://www.bodsforthemods.com/galler...-Modelos-Babe/

Example 2: taking the content and just putting a banner at the bottom. AFF above content and link back to the blog below content
http://www.galleries.badgirlsblog.co..._all_over.html
http://www.galleries.badgirlsblog.co...utdoors .html

Example 3: one link before content and then AFF links below content
http://babes.timekiller.com/index~sh...62~spn~ndn.htm

Example 4: Pure rip of content no links to the source
http://www.allthepink.com/album.php?id=224

Example 5: more fusker style using Penthouse content to promote AFF and others
http://glam0ur.com/gals/penthouse/je...er_emerson.htm

Example 6: more penthouse content theft. Links to another sponsor up top, misleading thumbs below gallery and just a small penthouse banner at the bottom (just to make everything ok :mad: )
http://nudeparadisehotel.com/the-perfect-ass

So the question to paysite owners is simple, Do you think this is acceptable?

Shap,

Off Topic but can i get a pass to Twistys?

that sucks that they are doing that

you have to also factor in that when you click a picture and get the bigger page, you will get this:
http://www.galleries.badgirlsblog.co...48/03e208.html

and when you click the pic, you get the actual sponsor.

I'd be pretty bent... Primary sponsor should be the content providers program if they are going to use the content in the first place.

Not a paysite owner, but a blogger. would like to say that...

Whenever I host a picture from content on my server, I always link to the hosted gallery with similar or exact content. I consider this "large thumbing" practice. Nothing wrong there. I also include links to the paysite.

I do also have an AFF banner flying on my sidebar.

Where do you draw the line, is my question. Should I have to create a blog that ONLY promotes twisty's ? Cant imagine that'd be that great for either your program, or surfers.

Fair practice is to promote the site the content came from.

Fair practice is to make sure the content is watermarked well so EVERYONE who views it sees its from your program.

and unless they're removing watermarks, or not including at least some attempts to promote where it came from, then I say they should be left alone

Bingo. Shit I forgot to mention NScash there too.

Everytime I see this it drives me nuts.There are a few that listen to my advice and change to follow our rules. Others now think they are above the law. They don't realise how much we are spending on content and it's not so they can make money with AFF.

Here is a guy that took it upon himself to take MY content to make a banner for his site
http://www.bodsforthemods.com/randomlinkplug.jpg

:mad:

Shap, I am curious, how much do you make off of type in traffic? How about people searching for "twisty's"

all of these people giving away your content are creating buzz and word of mouth.

they're building the twisty's brand. If they're interested and dont have a direct link to click they will search for it.

Simple question for you. There are 6 examples above, do you think they should be allowed to do that?

That's more babe log style sites that are doing that, nather than blogs. I'm not a paysite owner, but I've seen that practice and I think it's wrong. In defense of blogs, most real blogs don't give away much content, but rather link to tours, single pictures or galleries.

I've often wondered why affiliate programs allow it to happen. I've played around with the babe log style galleries on my own sites to the point that I add my top list to the gallery page. However I'd never put ads to other affiliate programs on the gallery pages. Makes no real sense to me.

About the only thing I think might be somewhat acceptable is maybe throwing up a fleshlight add or something in the gallery. Something that doesn't compete with the actual sponsor, and it would need to be clear the main focus is the content providing affiliate program.

llol this is funny

http://glam0ur.com/gals/penthouse/je...er_emerson.htm

it basically promotes AFF in 95% of the page and a banner of playboy at top and one at the very bottom more likely nobody will reach

to me its the same as using your quality thumbs as bait for traffic trading..its not right..but its the only way these guys can grow a site..

So are you making sales from blogs or not?

I'm not one of the industry dinosaurs that doesn't believe in branding and the power of it. I'm very well aware of it. However there are many other factors that come into play here. I was once a newbie as well. I know the tricks to taking good content to make money promoting another sponsor. I know the tricks of using good content to get bookmarks to get the site growing. These guys aren't interested in spreading the name of Twistys. They are interested in AFF sales and bookmarks for their blog. They are using 1999 tactics in 2006 and thinking because it's blogs they should be allowed to get away with it. WTF is that?

Example 1: yes. because of watermarked and branded content.

Example 2: borderline, no watermarks on content, unclear where it came from. I've seen TGP galleries and free sites that do this or worse for years tho. Seems acceptable practice, but I wouldnt do it.

Example 3: yes, has a TON of links to nextdoornikki. Every page you click on has one. Some dozen or more links to the sponsor.

example 4: not great. But this is ripped from a magazine? With the current legal landscape they can do this until they recieve a C and D.


Example 5: one of the largest watermarks I've ever seen + several links to the sponsor, seems fair game to me.

example 6: massive watermarks again, every large sized image has a link to penthouse. Borderline but why not? Penthouse is getting brand recognition, buzz, and typeins from it as well as banner clicks.

The other issue I see with babelog style sites is using free content thumbs to link to trades. It maybe a productive way to build traffic trades, but it's not fair to the content owners.

skim TGP's do it, but at least with TGP's you can eventually get the gallery.

Exactly. And they think that is 100% acceptable.

just contact their hosts....

I agree 100%

I'll put it this way.

Is it 100% moral or right? Obviously not.

is it legal? Probably.

Is it damaging to the paysites it came from? I dont think so. do you?

Ultimately I avoid doing this as a whole, but, take a look at my blog. no page is missing an AFF bar. I still make 5 times as many sales to the sites I'm promoting than AFF tho. I think you're grossly overestimating the amount of traffic they're sending to AFF

Wait...here's my solution...if it is such a big deal for you, go ahead and cancel bodsforthemods/allthepink/badgirlsblog/etc's accounts.

Well you are always going to get the typeins if you watermark your content. Also how much time are you willing to take to chase down these people not like they are acutally cutting out your watermark totally. All that time could be used to make more money.

Thats a good comment - I have a 3-1 rule... 3 links to me for every one to a non competing sponsor if your going to use my content in blogs. The lack of "selling" has taken a shit too. "CLICK HERE FOR MORE" or "VISIT TWISTYS" is stupid. If your going to use the content SELL IT!

Take my tagline please:
TWISTY'S IS THE NEW VIAGRA! YOU WILL BE SPANKING SO MUCH TO THE 1000's OF GIRLS ON TWISTYS YOU DICK WILL BE RAW!

:1orglaugh

This is the problem. Content is to be used to promote the sponsor that provided the content Watermark or no Watermark. A watermark is not a clickable link. In bed with faith did not give them that content to promote AFF. I don't see how you can think that is acceptable. I mean come on it's common sense. I guarantee not a single paysite owner would allow that.


You are missing the point. The content is being used in a misleading way. People read top to bottom, right? At the bottom of this gallery are links to other sponsors and none to nikki.

I bet penthouse hasn't seen this yet. No paysite owner would allow this unless they were desperate.

Boogie you are obviously new to the industry and very unaware of how paysite owners feel. I have a feeling this thread may be an awakening for you and it will give you a heads up on what paysites feel is acceptable. That will allows you to be ahead of the other sites and compliant and making money.

I agree.

I have a very strong gut feeling he's making way more money from blogs then he will ever lose. When my blog was running properly, 95% of the sales came directly from the galleries and the corresponding links, not the header and footer links. I'm pretty sure most others will have a very similar story.

Bingo. 3-1 rule is perfect. We have it as well but people aren't following it. I hate to be a dick but a bunch of first and last warning emails are going to be sent out this week.

Anybody not following our rules will be terminated and not allowed to use our content. Sales or no sales.

No, i'm quite the opposite, not new to the industry. I've had my fingers in it since 97, from time to time. I know quite a few paysite owners and know how quite a few feel on this very issue.

I do understand your point though, I've agreed that its immoral and that I wouldnt do it.

But its easy for you to take action here.

1) rewrite your 'free content' rules to include this clause
2) shut down accounts that dont follow the rules.

but claiming you know my background and what I know and dont know about the business is asinine and I would refrain from it in the future. For what its worth I do love twistys and your content, its some really hot shit. Been looking to start promoting it for a while and will probably end up signing up for it today.

Personally, i fucking despise babeblogs, I think its the worst thing to happen to the industry since TGP's :) and the worst thing to happen to blogging as a whole.

to think they'd use unfair or undesirable practices is no shock to me.

so, the question is, are you shutting down bodsforthemods account today or not?

I'm curious how much money people like badgirlsblog bring into twistys in the illegal way:
http://www.galleries.badgirlsblog.co..._all_over.html

I think these blogs pollute their sites and junk up their look with 1000000 links because they aren't making enough money to pay the bw bill and that's the only way they can survive. If you can't pay your bw bill by promoting sites the proper way then you are doing something wrong. And if you have trouble paying the bw just do us all a favour and quit.

dude, I get so sick of that too man....people will put up 10-15 pics of tabitha and then a link that says "tabitha's toybox"....i mean come on, who the fuck knows what a tabitha's toybox is? SELL THAT SHIT PEOPLE!!!!

this is a strong point as well, blog readers ignore the header/footer and quite often the sidebar. they are quite attuned at focusing on the content.

which is what makes babeblogging counter productive in my opinion, if all of your content is just pics and you rely on the header/footer for sales.

the content should be a mix of photos and text that sales, sales, sales. that's how it works for me. and check alexa, My sales for traffic ratio is pretty outrageous.

smartest thing I've heard all day! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

My apologies on the assumption.

To answer the question 1 and 2 are being worked on right now :thumbsup

Bodsforthemods has been contacted. If you notice he has already removed all links and all Twistys content. He prefers to not promote us instead of follow our rules. That's fine by me. Anybody who can't follow our rules won't be using our content. Whether they send 0 or 100 sales a day.

We'd be glad to have you as a Twistys affiliate. I get the feeling we won't have any problems with you :thumbsup

I can see why a paysite may not like something like this. It isn't blogs only doing this though, a lot of TGP galleries do it as well.

I was referring to something like this: http://www.thewhorenextdoor.net/amanda-paige.php

Give em hell mate. ;)

but just be aware that he WILL find a sponsor who doesnt care so much about this, whether it be some smaller company who is just glad for the traffic and sales, or one of the other big guys like you who just dont care.

that's the nature of the business and the legal atmosphere we have now with fair use laws.

You're fighting a very uphill battle and even if you hired a rep to do nothing but police the use of your content I think you'd find that job too overwhelming to achieve.

Best of luck either way though, your content is way above par and I'd be pretty careful with it too, I'm sure you pay a fortune for it.

as a former babeblogger, i know that the majority of the traffic that views the galleries is total crap. the only way they make money is by slangin' AFF or putting PPC ads in the galleries. yank the accounts if you want. you won't see much of a difference sales wise.

The only people that make any real sales are the major players like bods.

As I said there is more to it. By not taking a stand against it I am encouraging more people to misuse our content. Once one person does it people think it is acceptable and then it becomes a Major problem. For the past 4 months we've been getting alot of emails asking if they can do that as well. It's to the point where I'm going to be tough on those using promo content. We are very fair and give more content than any other sponsor. All I ask is that our affiliates follow our rules. Those that can't won't be a Twistys affiliate and as a result those that are affiliates will probably enjoy more success with our promo content :thumbsup

I have mixed feelings about such practices.
I dont see anything wrong with throwing up an aff iframe on the same page though. Increasing your traffic return > all else.