exactly my point. Shap, u named off one of the biggest babe sites. You probably make an extra grand or more a month from his site. Babe sites/blogs are unique in which they are set up however the site owner feels is comfortable for him. As long as it stays within the rules where no one is using ur content to promote another site/company it shouldnt be a problem. Maybe im wrong. I do not agree with the glam0ur site with that 95% AFF.

If someone links the content directly to your paysite with their affiliate code, that would be ok? I agree it is not honest to use the paysite content supplied by the owner to promote his/her site to promote some other site.

One thing Shap do you screen new affilates?
Maybe if you pulled there accounts and stoped paying them they may stop useing your content.
How did they get the content in the first place?

These days most Paysites seem to give away to much content to stupid newbies who have no idea in how to market.All you seem to do to be able to get access to a shitload of content is simply signup to the affilate programe.

Maybe its about time paysite owners start looking at the amount of free shit they do give away.

Anyone with half a brain know's that 5% of your affilates base make you 95% of your affilate sales.
The rest are just used as sheep to brand name your shit out there.
If you dont like it then do something about it.
Ive even had paysites owners tell me when I have reported thiefed to them thats its ok because they left the watermarks on.

Well it's simple ... in the article, there should be only links to twisty. there can be a header, side bars and footers, but there gotta be at least 25 % of the article's space spent for advertising.

And by 25 %, I mean 25 % of the total space the blog is taking ... like most galleries. Not just a small banner at top and bottom.

Im just really appalled that this is how a program owner with a problem was conducted. Contact people 1 on 1. If you have ever dealt with bods you would know things get accomplished very fast with communication. Blasting someone who is as upstanding as he is, is completely uncalled for. With that said im sure twistys just lost a crapload of sales due to other blog owners now reading this, no matter if they are galleries are fine under twistys rules. I feel that this is a open attack because people do not understand the whole "Blog" thing. TGP's have been doing worse for years and no complaints. But my advice to shap and twisty's is either talk to the owners of these sites and more you find, or just close the accounts. No need for this whole outburst.

Amen my man. Nothing more to say!

Most of these so called "blogs" are nothing but a mix of tgp's with cj's (when it comes to sponsor link-farms)...

I can understand the issue with some of those sites, but I don't see the badgirlsblog as being all that bad. You click the thumb, you get the full size pic, you click the pic you get the sponsor. Yeah, the "selling" aspect is practically non-existent but frankly I don't see it much different than all the TGP galleries out there with links that are barely visible or that are limited to 1-3 by the TGP rules. And those crap TGP galleries get seen by a shit load more freeloaders than the majority of the babelogs. Most of the people in this biz don't sell.. they slap some shit together, shove it out the door and hope it makes some money.

As for the other banners (AFF) on the page. Come on... For YEARS people used free hosts with a shit load of other banners on the page as well. As a marketer, my job is to get the surfer to buy something to make me some money. So yeah, my main focus on a page is to try and get them to buy from the primary sponsor. But not putting up a couple links for other things like dating sites, enhancement products or similar themed pay sites etc. is just idiotic. Yes.. They shouldn't be the main focus of the page and should be limited in quantity, but if they don't buy from the main promotion, I need to try and get them to buy something else.

They would probably feel the same way they do as when sponsors put email collection boxes on FHGs and try to sell videos and dvds to surfers prior to the purchase of a membership. They would say screw that sponsor I'll just make my own galleries. Oh wait a minute -- that is what these "babelogs" are doing.

Just fyi blogs make up less than 2% of all our signups. Truth is blogs could not send me another sale and I would not lose any sleep at night. That is a fact. There is not a single blog that is even near our top 10 biggest affiliates.

This thread came after months of the same shit happening over and over. I got fed up and had to post to see if I was alone feeling these babelogs were getting way out of hand.

You are wrong. The examples I posted are breaking most of the rules those sponsors have in place. Ask penthouse if they like their content being used that way.

If there is nothing wrong with what they are doing then there is nothing wrong with me posting their links. Right?

Well... I guess that's where we're different. I would infact ASK PENTHOUSE, 1 on 1 through their contact information and not make a thread on GFY whilst dragging their name throught the mud.

I guess that's how we're different in business. You find it logical and ethical to mistreat people that are attempting to promote your site, even if you don't agree with how theyre doing. You find it to be good business to label them scammers and fuskers on a public forum, rather than having your staff email them.

The fact that your site has any growth with these morals is beyond me, but once again, that's how we're different.

You also believe its Good Business to LOSE INSTANTLY an alleged and projected 2% of your sales without losing any sleep over it. That doesnt reflect someone that has any kind of intergrity or... place any value into their affiliates.

If you anlienate the babeblogs... whose next? Like I said... you have every right to do anything you want with your content. But how you handled the situation was a definate "F- Wouldn't Buy Again, Buyers Beware."

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So you closed the Twistys affiliate accounts of the sites you posted here in this thread?

LOL :1orglaugh Do some research on me. If I'm someone you aren't going to do business with because I'm a jackass and I don't know how to handle my business then I think you'll run out of people to do business with in a hurry. There are not many people in the industry that care for affiliates, surfers and for the good of this industry as much as I do.

Thanks Linkster. I believe in being reasonable. I started as a cj site. I know what goes thru the minds of free site, cj, tgp, blog, owners. I try to accomodate their needs as best I can. I personally believe sponsors getting their panties in a bunch over a 100x150 thumbnail are going a little overboard. My position is simple as long as you send 60+% of the clicks to the gallery of that thumb I'm cool.

I find that ironic since you essentially told 2% of your sales to fuck off. You basically told babe bloggers that you could care less if they promote your content. That doesnt seem like you care for your affiliates that much.

I'd like to see some evidence that it's just 2%.

All the bloggers have come out to call me out and say I handled this the wrong way. Hey look back at the first post. I stated my opinion on the subject. I posted examples to see what other paysites thought. This has been bothering me for a while and I wanted to see what the rest of the industry thought. I didn't call anyone names. I just asked what others thought. If the links I posted were ok then there would be no issue and I'd look like a moron for posting them. Obviously since you are all upset because I'm touching on something you feel you have to defend.

LOL where did I tell 2% of my affiliates to fuck off? LOL.

You can pick on me all you want. Instead of attacking me why don't you research the posts I've made in the past and sitback and learn something. I'm sure you'll see I'm someone not worth wasting time attacking.

Flu,

If I didn't care about my affiliates and if I was an asshole I'd terminate their accounts and keep the money. I don't do that. Instead we contact each of them one by one and explain what we are looking for and work with our affiliates to make things right. In this thread I did not sling shit at one single Twistys affiliate. All I did was post links. Please show me one example where I talked shit and told a Twistys affiliate to F off.

We work day and night for our surfers and affiliates. There are not many other companies that care like us that I can 100% guarantee. That is why I'm sitting here debating and replying to posts. Most other companies would have said f-off newbie or ignored the negative comments. Instead I'm replying and with every reply working to understand the mindset of those that disagree.

Through all of this we've already developed a number of potential solutions to what I feel is a problem (abuse of promo content use) and none of the solutions involve us telling anybody to F off.

That's strange. Because, you say..

Yet, you called the sites fusker sites/galleries. And I clearly posted this was purely name calling. So, if you would as you say "research the posts I've made in the past and sit back and learn something". You would see you did indeed name call.

well.....

Its funny how AFF pops up everytime there is problems with stolen content, I guess they accept everyone into their program

btw... Flu you are a young guy breaking into the industry. I can tell by your work that you have some talent and that you are original and like to try new things. That's real good. Now I know you think I'm the big bad wolf here but I'm not. You made assumptions in this thread that were very far from the truth and I believe were made simply because you might not know better.

With or without blog sales we are doing very well. I did well before blogs came out. I'll probably do well well after blogs have matured and are no longer the fad. My point is I don't need blogs to be successful. That doesn't mean I'm turning them away. That means they don't play a huge role in the success of Twistys. You made a post indicating you felt blogs were a big part of our sales. They are not. In fact here check out the stats I posted earlier this year. These were taken way before any porn blogs existed.
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=558484

You agree to comparing the babeblogs to the forums/communities that post and allow stolen and ripped content. :helpme

jesus. i'm not "dissing" anyone, nor am I kissing anyones ass. bodsforthemods IS one of the better babeblogs and as far as I know, a lot of the other babeblogs are crap. Never once did I name names or talk shit about anyone else. Read into what I said all you want. But the truth is that what I said is MY opinion. It may be wrong, but that's what I think.

Don't know how to sell anything? :helpme

Dude I'm not even going to waste time nitpicking on this anymore. Honestly we both have money to make and discussing what i called a fusker and what wasn't and blahblahblah is not making either of us a dime.

When i said research i meant research stuff like
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=558484

and

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=473292

I'm wasting my time debating with two guys named potter and flu. <sigh> I'm losing my touch. I've gone from the Mallicks, JoeEs, 12Clicks to potter and flu. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

If you don't see how you saying "i wouldnt lose sleep if I lost 2% of my sales" telling babeblogs to fuck off, then I'm just at a loss for words. That's definetly not "tuned in customer service".

I'm not going to continue this discourse, I don't feel like arguing point and counter point on the same topic all night long. I feel how you handled this situation was uncalled for and wrong. You say you contact your affiliates 1 on 1 but you didnt do that here.

Anyway... you have every right to do what you want, it's your content, you could cancel accounts posting more than 1 pic in galleries for all I care. Just try to be a bit more tasteful and tactful from now on.

Babe blogs drive sales. It may be a fact that you and a lot of people in the industry aren't ready to admit yet, but its true. If you don't understand the marketing theory behind how blogs reach a potential that is possibly light years ahead and superior to that of TGPs and Free Sites when it comes to conversions, then you have a lot of catching up to do.

The only proof I need in this statement rests in all of the other programs that validated your claim that initiated this thread and agreed with how you called out those blogs today.

Anyhow, Mr Potter, Mr Flu and anybody else that has anything they'd like to tell me is invited to email me. My email is shap at twistys dot com. I'm going to get back to making our affiliates money :winkwink: I've spent too much time on this. The good thing is this thread helped us come up with solutions that should make everybody happier (including Potter & Flu). Besides that anybody with a problem, concern, praise, attack, insult, compliment, or sexy picture to send me feel free to do so by email. :thumbsup

Thanks. Like I said, I agree that you have every right to regulate your content in anyway you feel fit. It belongs to you and your word should be final. But these blogs, regardless of your opinion on their worth, deserve to be treated better than just mere fads.

Bods makes enough money to support his family with his babe blog. I can promise you that badgirlsblog and glam0ur do as well. Calling them out like that isn't like calling out a scammer or a hacker or a spammer, you're calling out someone that might be breaking a rule that could easily be fixed with a little communication.

You may see them as running a fad, but theyre really running a successful business.

That's fine. I know what actually went on today and what you have done outside of this thread. That's all that matters to me. A GFY reputation is not on my list of concerns.

1:226 to that sponsor is fine, but how many clicks and how much money was made with the other sponsors / sites / ad systems from that page? How much did the sponsor providing the content make from those other sales? How many of those other sales would have happened on a blank page without the image(s)?

It is sort of the question of how much money was made because of the sponsor's content that won't be shared by the sponsor - basically money made with the content without paying for the content.

It isn't to poke - it is really a serious question about the finances and viablity of these sorts of sites.

Alex

I know you think what i did in this thread was wrong.

I'm guessing you feel what was done outside this thread was right. Is that correct?

Were is your term's page Shap?

Here are our terms from the affiliate area regarding use of promo content
A few rules that we require all affiliates to follow:
- Galleries should never contain more than 20 pics in them
- Our watermark is never removed from the pictures
- The galleries may not promote another site or program.

I'm going to be going into detail and updating the rules page this week.

Don't listen to this fake ricky martin where is the real ricky martin aka nlyz at

actually the first gallery I got when I clicked that link had a shit load of links to other sponsors.. The very first add you saw was for "girls gone wild" There looked to only be 1 link to Ariel Rebel on the entire gallery.

I clicked it a second time and it went to a gallery that was pushing Ariel Rebel pretty heavily.. several links to her site and any other ads were at the bottom.

So whats the deal did you change the gallery? Because what I see now isn't what I saw the first time.

Hey shap you got icq ? I wanna get my account up and running tonight:)