Well so much for my paysite...
 

I'm not sure who here has been following my progress or seen my threads... but i'm 18.... been living on my own since and supporting myself since 16.... so this whole situation has put a big fucking dent in my current living..... Initially i had a model named Julia who i was supposed to do a solo site with.... then last minute she backed out and referred her friend mandy.....everything was great, she agreed to do a SOLO SITE remember... this is very important.. she agreed to do a SOLO SITE...

so i get all my shit together.... i buy all the equipment....

lights - 1600 dollars
mini dv camera - 1300
Canon rebel - 700

so... so far before i start shooting the costs are 3600.... Now... i know she does webcamming.. and i don't want to come off as a snake.. so i talk to her camming boss... and ask his permission to shoot her... he said he was cool with it.. AS LONG AS I DIDN'T STEAL HER FOR WEB CAMMING i agreed... and said if i find girls for camming i would refer him to him.... and if he found girls for shooting he would refer them to me... he said that after my first shoot with mandy if everything went okay that he would let his other models know that do camming for him that they should come do shoots with me

and that is steve from www.adultwebcamworld.com who i talked to.... known on icq as "huey"...

now... everything is going cool.... i meet mandy for the first shoot.... at a hotel....

so now the costs are 350 for hotel and 20 bucks for her taxi ride there.... she gets there... everything is going great... i told her she can bring her friend with her (makeup artist) and i would pay her for doing her makeup... (to be nice) .... now i also pay a photographer 200 for the day to be there....

im having a nice time just sitting on the couch chatting with her friend while the photo guy and her are doing the shoot...also ordered them food to eat..... now im saying all these details so everyone knows every single aspect of what has happened to date....

the shoot goes great, i get along with everyone.. everything is fine....and we schedule another shoot for the coming friday, since she can only shoot on fridays because of school.....

now during this shoot...she kept going on about how her ex boyfriend ben could hook up a cheaper NICER hotel for next shoot... i didn't pay it much attention but she mentioned it a lot.... so i took down his number

i call him right before the NEXT shoot the friday after... and im like hey i need a room blah blah blah.. he sets it up.... everything is done... now he calls me 20 minutes after... and is like hey... do u mind if me and mandy keep the room after the shoot... and im like yah shouldn't be a problem....

now we didnt get to the hotel till about 5pm... a little later then scheduled....and her ex boyfriend the one that hooked up the room is IN the room... so i think to myself.. should be okay so long as he doesnt get in the way.... ( BIG MISTAKE ) .... i mention to him that my photographer lives 5 hours drive away and is gonna need to keep the room sorry.... and hes like okay... i go in the other room... to help my photographer set up his equipment.... and i hear a bunch of bitching in the other room coming from mandy, her makeup artist friend... and ex boyfriend.... i had a feeling they were talking about me... but didn't think they would be rude enough as to be talking shit about someone while they are so close... so i go in to see what the problem is... and they are all ganging up on me about the room and it being part of the deal... and are being extremely rude about it.. though i wanted to punch out her boyfriend... i hid it and was like alright cool... u guys can keep the room..... even though it wasnt aprt of the deal...

now her boyfriend is a 31 year old loser who is in a punk band... and hes sitting on the table rolling joints and smoking them in the room.... now do u see why i wouldn't want to be letting him keep the room in the first place? lol... but anyways i was like okay .. photographer can crash at my house tonight... enjoy the room.... i was even nice enough to pay her makeup artist 160 for makeup .. even though im sure mandy could have done it herself and looked the same...

now at this point... mandy already knows that i am doing a solo site... and that i need her every possible day shes free to shoot content.. but since she goes to school... we agreed on every friday.....

nearing the end of the shoot... she mentions something about lightspeed... im like wtf? so i go home and talk to lightspeed steve... and hes like... "what? she has a site coming up? i cant use her then..." .... and then i come home to my icq filled with messages from her camming boss... and the model on MSN.... saying i fucked them over blah blah blah....

the model was FREAKING out.... saying i fucked her over and that she didn't know it was for a solo site.... (bullshit... 2 fulls days of shooting and scheduling every free day she has to shoot) ... now im wondering if her camming boss made the deal with lightspeed after i already had a deal with the model....

either way discussions start happening so that i will sell it to them, since i have no option because the model wouldn't want to shoot with me now that she knows of lightspeed and how much money they would give her...

and they say... 2500 ....

and at this point i have this invested

3600 in equipment....

850 for the model
160+80 for makeup to her friend...
300+150 for the hotel rooms
misc food taxis etc for the model
400 webdesign
another 300 webdesign
150 dedicated server etc
plus roughly 30-35 hours of my time...

so obviously i say no....

and they are like... okay we wont use her.... then i talk to the model... and shes RAGING....

lightspeed repeatedly tells me to work it out with the camming bosses from www.adultwebcamworld.com and that he hopes to hear that we come to a resolution where i don't feel fucked...

now i understand that i didnt have an exclusive contract with the model..... but its just about ethics.... and whats right... and i think they know that... thats why they try to resolve it..

however i keep getting put off daily by the guys.... and keep getting told tomorrow... tomorrow... tomorrow... etc... then finally we start talking...

and they are like... we are firm on 2500.... a day or so later... we negotiate some more...

and they are like 3500 and you have to sign a non disclosure agreement so u cant say "we stole the model" ....and to me thats unfair.. and i ask for 4000..... and then they retract it altogether.... and im like wtf? u are retracting an offer midway through negotiating? and they are like... "we will suggest to mandy that she work with you" ... yah my ass... there is no way in hell she would work with me after lightspeed has offered his this much money and then told her im the reason they wont use her...

either way.. i feel fucked..... some of you know how hard i have worked for this shit... and this is gonna hurt me financially a lot... but i have run into some luck because of this... i have met a great group of people who have offered to help me out with some content and ideas for paysites etc.... now i am just posting this so u guys dont make the same mistakes i did...

oh and a quick snippet from my conversation ...


Steve Lightspeed (3:49 PM) :
then LAUNCH THE MOTHER FUCKING SITE -- CASE CLOSED
Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) :
you WIN
sonofsam (3:50 PM) :
how does that mean i win ? i don't win... she doesn't shoot for some reason
sonofsam (3:50 PM) :
and its not something that was on my part
Steve Lightspeed (3:50 PM) :
use your BUSINESS SKILLS to SOLVE THE PROBLEM
sonofsam (3:51 PM) :
someones letting their "emotions run"
sonofsam (3:51 PM) :
maybe you should take your own advice
Steve Lightspeed (3:51 PM) :
yeah, thats true, i'm tired today -- so I'll let you speak to my attorney from this point if you need anything from us



now i know this could very well be the end of me on gfy from all the bashing im going to get... but i want to say thanks to all the people who have helped me along the way.. and i am going to keep trying to succeed... and have decided to purchase some content from aaronM to launch a paysite... but now im kinda fucked for site design and traffic and that kind of stuff since i was relying a lot on some of that money for the mandy site....


i have a site made for her... but only 26 sets of photos and 6 short vids... if anyone has any suggestions i would appreciate it... im kinda stuck.... should i just launch the site and offer a lifetime membership or soemthing since i cant update it or? .... i know i can give the content toa content store but i kinda need the return fast then that...

thanks

Mike...

launch the site dude

promote the fuck out of it

don't offer trials

make your money back

i am lost, how is lightspeed involved with all this? i kind of got the jist, but am still lost...was lightspeed going to make her a lightspeed girl?

lightspeed and the girls webcaming boss (www.adultwebcamworld.com) had a deal i guess for lightspeed to use a bunch of his girls....

man keep your head up

it will get better, you can only get so low before you start to build again ;]

That's pretty heavy.... there's gotta be something that can be done.

How about just selling the shoots you did do to Lightspeed? Let him have the content and he can still do his deal... and you get your $$ back, or part of it?

Take the model and throw her off a cliff

:2 cents:

On the plus side...

If Steve was going to be using her as a Lightspeed girl, you KNOW she would have sold so do as Steve said, launch the site :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

You should take their offer if they are still offering it. You'll at least get most of your money back. The camera and lights cost isn't something you should take in to account since you can use them in the future on different models. Let her shoot with Lightspeed, you can't have a solo site with an unhappy, unwilling model. Next time have a contract upfront before you shoot.

and now she won't shoot with you cause of that agreement?

sounds like she is the flat out idiot here...and sounds like she is the reason for your drama

fuckin women...

launch the site, no trials, promote the fuck out of it, make your money back

once you make your money back, sell the content in a blowout sale for some cheap price on some site like contentblowout.com...and let it ride for a few months...make more money back

That's fucked up man

Ugh... I hate to say it, but I agree with Lee on this one.

I feel dirty.

thanks for the advice guys

start a site and shuffle in bought content to stretch out the 26 pic sets as "friends"
updates are updates and ive seen this work for a few sites

yeah that model sounds like a real hahahaha. You should see the friggin logs of her convo with sam. Holy shit, she's as sharp as a sock full of soup!

dude, launch the fucking site. don't let anything stand in the way of you and a good opprotunity.

thats fucked up.. did the model sign the contract for the solo site? not sure if its usually done, i dont do paysites

T-eaze...haha says:
LOOK IM NOT GOING TO UPDATE UR SITE IM STILL SHOOTING WITH Lightspeed... u can do whatever u want with the content i couls care less..but i am going to let u know one thing a piece of friendly advice GOOD lUCK in this industry its a BITCH aint it
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
no need to get so upset
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay the thing is.. i can offer you the same deal steve has given you... he even suggested me to.... hes not going to shoot you
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
i suggest you call huey and ask him
T-eaze...haha says:
im on the phone with him at the moment actually an dhave been for like 10 mins
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
okay and whats he saying?
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
lightspeed told me they arn't going to use you...
T-eaze...haha says:
the exact same thing i just told u
T-eaze...haha says:
look THIS doesnt concern u
T-eaze...haha says:
good luck with ur site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
actually it does concern me
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
you were supposed to make a solo site
baniboy [Rest in Peace Mike] says:
and you flaked
T-eaze...haha says:
ur going to need it
T-eaze...haha says:
please dont call me
T-eaze...haha says:
anymore

best suggestion so far :thumbsup

Thats what I would do. You have a bunch on money into it already another 750 for a ccbill account seems like a no brainer. Then, buy more content as your site sells and fill it in content wise with "friends".

I agree with brother Jace :)

im gonna go get some air, i'll check back in a little... been a really stessfull day.. thougha great learning experience...

Why not take the lower price as don't you get free camera shit then to do this all over with?

For the most part contracts will never do jack shit. If they break them and somehow you do get a judgement good luck seeing any of the money. If they are of the non-competition variety you better have damn good luck and attornies since it is near impossible to prevent someone of their lively hood.

damn dude

what is that chicks model name...that way when she eventually does go with some other program or want to do any more work, we know who to say no to or not promote

that shit is fucked up

i would be suprised if lightspeed even wanted her after all that...they don't need that kind of drama

site of the model www.adultforum.ca/skinnymandy

its being re touched up by a nother designer

that is the line that gets me the most...that is some cold ass shit

thats some fucked up shit, I would just launch the site and promote the hell out of it anyway you can. who cares about updates and shit. just try and make your money back. I know how much work, time and effort you put into this and to see it come to this really sucks. Good luck bro. :thumbsup

god damn she is hot

thanks bro :thumbsup

OK.. #1 your 40 hours of time I will give you $1000 credit for.. Plus expenses $3500 total. YOU SHOULD HAVE ACCEPTED THAT OFFER! The expenses for the cameras and lights are not one time useage. So you can't claim them as a loss on this project alone.

In the future. GET EXCLUSIVE MODELS!

Now... open the site, put up 16 sets and then 1 per week for 10 weeks. Then in the mean time, find another girl! Put her on the site too by week 6. Then make it known that Mandy is out and the other is going to take over. Walla.. done.

lesson learned... keep in mind it was my first time doing a site.... i've only even heard about tgps 5 months ago..

i thought i had everything pretty much under control... boy was i wrong lol.. actually come to think of it everything was going pretty smoothly as far as production was going..

I think the 4000.00 counter offer was fair. That would basicly cover his out of pocket expenses not including the equipment. Reasonable counter-counter offer would of been 3750.00 and from what I see above I think sonofsam would of taken it.

Hence my suggestion- pls see post #6

Sent you an ICQ

The reason why I disagree with that, is because you dont work your ass off to break even. Assuming his total expenses were $3500 or $4500 or whatever, he still put a couple months of work into this. At the end, if hes going to get fucked out of his model at no fault of his own.. dont you think he should be able to walk away with a little profit? I'm not in the paysite game, but if I was in his position, I would never take $3500 to walk away from 2-3 months work. If you want to buy me out, buy me out. Don't give me allowance money and expect me to run off skipping and be happy go lucky.

believe me at this point i would even take the 3500... right now i have a few grand worth of content coming over... but not even enough money to promote it etc.. i was just trying to negotiate what i thought was a fair price.... and then they just pulled the offer completely and gave me the cold shoulder...

Seriously, get THAT in writing from her ASAP!

Then, as she told you that you can do whatevr you want with the content, give it away for free... at the local colleges where she lives, with her name on it and a url to a site you own.

Mail a couple of the pics to her parents, to her boyfriend, to her place of work.

She sounds like a bitch but, thankfully, paybacks a motherfucker :thumbsup

Regards,

Lee

That's what you get for dealing with flakey webcam sluts. Best of luck to ya.

to be honest, i was a bit worried about posting this since i thought i would get flamed to death... nice to see everyone so supportive :)

That sounds like a good plan.