Don't Ask Don't Tell repeal fails!
 

With the 56-43 vote, Democrats fell short of the 60 votes needed to advance the legislation.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gays_military

sad

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that's good for the gays in the long run. At some point this country will have a draft again, and they won't have to go get killed at some useless war.

Whats wrong with don't ask don't tell?

extortion

So straight can lives out their lives like normal, but gays have to keep everything secret?

Another promise broken by the current administration. But at least the recession is over.

It would have went through if the Dream Act crap wasn't attached to it... it failed because assholes tried to attach bullshit legislation with it thinking people would just vote yes because of the nature of the bill.

Nice to see that the US military can subvert the constitution that they're in place to defend. i.e. Didn't some court say that the law is unconstitutional?

Yeah, sucks to break a promise when trying and work with congress/military on this, sucks they hold the cards. In the reverse, if it was the other side the idea wouldn't have ever made it to paper.

I'll take the failed promise attempt over no attempt at all... and yeah, glad the recession is over as well, nice to see things slowly turning around.

It's nice to see when there is one president in power, the liberals call bullshit but when they have their own in power, they rally around him like dogs and believe anything he says, especially if all of the evidence points to the contrary. But nobody claimed those morons know anything about economics. :)

What's funnier is those moronic liberals parade as "objective 3rd party voters"

What did he say? Who rallied up and supporting him here? What are others believing he said that he lied about? Evidence to what? What economics are we talking about here? I couldn't find the quote, "objective 3rd party voters" who said this or anything related to it?

Just trying to figure out wtf the point of your post was.

Obama said the recession was over. Your response? "Yup, glad that's over". It's hilarious how easily you criticize the conservatives but when it's a liberal doing the talking, he MUST be telling the truth. It's also hilarious how you don't think for yourself or do any kind of economic research. 9.6 unemployment rate before you even adjust it, which would put it around 16%. Every month Obama reaches a new high for debt as well as trade deficit. Consumer spending is at an all time low, the dollar is still kicking the bucket, but yea, we're out of the recession doc:thumbsup

Actually, you may be on to something here. You're right, we are out of the recession. We were "out" a year ago when we entered a depression.:1orglaugh

It is not the military and it is not the Congress...nor is it a lower court judge that determines the constitutionality of laws...it is the Supreme Court that decides what is constitutional and what is not...and they ruled many years on DADT.

Your big ass response to me was over agreeing that the recession was over? Damn....

Looks like you need to go back to school and learn what a recessions and depressions actually are... maybe try attending school, not posting so much basically?

And yeah, we're out of a recession.. consumer spending doesn't have to be normal, dollar doesn't have to be rocking, jobs don't have to return right away - and yes, the recession can still be over with all this.

Again, get your ass back to school, educate yourself.

We are not in a depression...and have not been in a depression since the thirties,,,but have been through more than one recession since the thirties.

I would suggest the same to you but it's obvious you weren't intelligent to pass school, seeing as how you don't know what a recession or depression are, just taking Obama's word for it.:1orglaugh

THen what's a recession doc? Entertain us? You like to make shit up without any factual finding, make us laugh one more time. I can't wait for the next post full of deflection and misdirection. Oh well, this is what I get for dealing with the intellectually inferior.:1orglaugh

"The longest recession the U.S. has endured since the Great Depression ended in June 2009, a group that dates the beginning and end of recessions declared Monday.

The National Bureau of Economic Research, a panel of academic economists based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, said the recession lasted 18 months. It started in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. Previously the longest post World War II downturns were those in 1973-1975 and in 1981-1982. Both of those lasted 16 months.

The NBER decision makes official what many economists have believed for some time, that the recession ended in the summer of 2009."

It depends on what you call a depression. Ironically, it's the mainstream economists who believe we were ever in a recession and are now out.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2010/0...-a-depression/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_694638.html
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2010/0...sion-just.html
http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/3421

Just a few links there for you to read. I can explain to you my idea of a depression using charts and what not.

Yea, those are the same people that believe stimulus spending and quantitative easing is the answer to our prayers. Basically, the same morons like Greenspan and Bernanke. Or they're trying to raise consumer confidence with these random announcements, as well as constantly downgrading the economic outlook. It's a shame that the bullshit isn't working because the only thing they're getting out of the stock market is low volume trading.

Why would a gay enlist in the army? "So, you want me to kill others, plus put my life on the line for you everyday, but I'm not allowed to tell anyone my sexual orientation?".

Uhhh, yeah... fair trade, for sure.

Do strait people go around telling others like to be spanked, fuck a goat, have submissive slave? No. So why do you need to tell people you're gay?

Because your job is to kill others and put your life on the line while not bothering people with your feelings diary?

From my brief look into it, the supreme court has not upheld it as it wasn't directly challenged. What was challenged was whether or not the governement could withhold funding from universities if they refused access to recruiters based on DADT. However, the recent court ruling is a direct challenge to it... Am I wrong in this? Never looked into its history before.

Odd how everyone on gfy disagrees with you but The Demon, again.... is correct.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh A true moron!



Too stupid to know what a recession is? Here let me shoot you a url....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession

And for depression check this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(economics)


Weeee... as we can see our GDP is not falling so both Recessions and Depressions spewing from you are bullshit as usual. Let's just cover a couple of the quick points, consumer spending isn't dropping more, investments aren't dropping, business profits are growing...

Please, for the sake of gfy... please, please please shut your cock holster and educate yourself. I won't even entertain the depression statement you made... it's a laughable joke.

What a horribly sad day for America.

:(

well, if we're not in a recession nor a depression, we need a new fucking word for what we're in.

Odd how everyone makes fun of TheDoc and watches thedoc squirm his way out using denial and stupidity.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh





Oh perfect, thanks for proving my point. The economy is contracting and all Obama has to show for it is artificial growth. Do you know what artificial growth is? I mean we all know you're a moron so I'm not sure if I should be stepping into dangerous waters. We wouldn't want you embarrassing yourself all over again.:1orglaugh

Good lord, you just keep getting your ass handed to you on a daily basis.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Consumer spending:
http://247wallst.com/2010/09/09/cons...d-cant-get-up/
Business profits are lower than ever adjusted for inflation. Capital investments are down and aren't going back up. So you see, this is what happens when a middle aged moron and failure tries to talk about something he doesn't understand. It was fun kicking your ass again doc. Now go back to making us laugh, clown. I definitely enjoy making you look stupid. Perhaps you can do us a favor and stop coming here to get embarrassed on a daily basis. The collective IQ of this forum is sure to go up. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

all it means is nothing has changed.

none of you are any different now than you were 3 hours ago.








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Well you said that Obama said the US is out of a recesion whereas he's just relaying what the "experts" tell him.

Regardless, no one really knows where things are heading. They all have lots of ideas and opinions but something could happen tomorrow that could blow it out of the water. If they get it right they slap themselves on the back and tell everyone how brilliant they are and if they get it wrong they make up some excuse like they didn't take into account xyz. Both sides do the same thing.

You're stupid. How did he break his promise? Obama is the president not king. CONGRESS passes legislation. All he can do is propose laws.

No, many intelligent people have a great idea where we are heading. We have astronomical debt and we hardly are a manufacturing power anymore. We are now a service economy, which means our trade deficits will keep on growing. The morons in congress and mainstream economists practice a flawed theory where they think throwing money at the problem solves the problem, and that consumer spending powers the economy, rather than capital investments and manufacturing. So we're going to continue the quantitative easing, further devaluing the dollar and pushing precious metals up. At least the Great Depression was a deflationary depression.. Everything was cheap as balls. We're going to get an inflationary/hyperinflationary collapse.

repression? decession?

It is not just about telling. Say for example there are two guys in the military. They both live off base and go home at the end of every day. Guy#1 is straight. One evening he and his girlfriend decide to go to the movies. While they are standing in line they are holding hands. A senior officer sees them. He would think nothing of it. He might even praise the guy that he has girl. If Guy#2 is gay and he does the exact same thing with his boyfriend and he too gets seen, he could be tossed out of the military for being gay.

So it has little to do with telling anyone anything. Supposedly they can't ask you if you are gay, but if they find out you are, then you are done.

Aren't you the same moron who blamed Bush repeatedly? Suddenly Obama is in power and it's all Congress. What a dumbass rofl.

In fact it has been challenged multiple times coming at it from a different angle each time and has yet to be shot down. IIf I am not mistaken...most recently some lower court judge ruled against DADT from the angle of attack that was presented...so it will probably go back to the Supreme Court and who knows what the Supreme Court will say. I suspect that at some point in time a challenge will present the correct wording and it will be shot down.

Well again, because The Demon says it, it's true... :1orglaugh what a pathetic joke.


If you removed the artificial growth (in jobs?), we're still not in a recession... all the fake job growth in the world, still wouldn't put us in a recession, hell we could still be losing them and we still wouldn't be in a recession - idiot...



haha... read more idiot "Generally, periods labeled depressions are marked by a substantial and sustained shortfall of the ability to purchase goods relative to the amount that could be produced using current resources and technology (potential output).[2] Another proposed definition of depression includes two general rules: 1) a decline in real GDP exceeding 10%, or 2) a recession lasting 2 or more years.[3][4]"

Looks like you're wrong, again...

It doesn't have to increase/return idiot... it just has to stop dropping. Being that it's not dropping through the floor, your theories are yet wrong again.

GO BACK TO SCHOOL.....

fuck you. How about all these republicans against the DREAM Act because Obama is for it yet it was actualy THEIR idea to begin with?

I'm not disagreeing with you all, actually I agree with a lot of what you are saying. Most of the manufacturing jobs that we are losing are being replaced with lower paying service and retail level jobs or higher paying tech jobs which will require the workers to go back to school.

That said, what do you think we need to do in order to right the ship? We can't simply start manufacturing stuff without some kind of protective tariffs because we simply can't compete with third world countries when it comes to labor force wages. So if you were in charge and whatever you said would go, what would you do?

Like the chick at the town hall meeting said to Obama the other day...I'm tired of defending his ass too. This should be a simple no-fucking brainer for the folks in Washington.

Politics as usual....

Can I hijack this to be an epass thread now Doc? :1orglaugh