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Does my 9/11 stance offend you?
Thoughts On The Anniversary of 9/11
(NOTE: These are thoughts about the post-9/11 world, NOT about the lives that day. I respect the emotions surrounding the event, but want to share a different stance) There have always been wars. There has always been treachery and corruption. The law of nature is that every living thing must strive CONSTANTLY to stay alive. Death and violence is the setting in which all life takes place. It is hard, but we need to accept that. And then we need to make reasonable efforts to stay safe, alive, and out of the path of violence. But do not start believing that it is possible to create a world free of risk. And CERTAINLY do not start to believe that you can use force to try to stop violence long-term. As MLK said, ?Wars are poor chisels to carve out a peaceful future.? One man?s terrorism is another man?s freedom fighting. And since I can never understand what it would be like to see my brother killed at 12 in Somalia or my Father shot in Iraq, I can do little more than theorize about the personal perspectives of America?s ?enemies.? But I know of no country righteous enough to declare their murder to be fair, and another?s? to be unfair. In fact, that attitude only ensures that fighting will never cease. So you can choose to live in a state of constant fear? Or you can re-calibrate your world view, accept that there are always risks, and then try to enjoy the Now as much as possible. To live in fear is to trade your present for a worst-case scenario of the future. Think about that. What reasonable things can you do to avoid violence? Do those things and then turn off FOX News. We are in no more danger than we ever have been. That is to say, we are ALWAYS in danger. So re-adjust baseline, and then get back to living. Living, loving, laughing, remembering, and mourning. |
doesnt offend me its just laughable
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Do you think you are safer due to the post 9/11 actions of the US? Do you think we have benefited from the Patriot Act, etc? Or do you mean it is laughable to think we are not Just in our killing? |
may have to read it again to fully understand but a good post you got there :)
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God damn, Hippys crack me up.
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Do you think we are any less safe than we were before the attack?
- feel less safe Do you think you are safer due to the post 9/11 actions of the US? - ibid. Do you think we have benefited from the Patriot Act, etc? - no. they were probably doing that shit before and used 9/11 as an excuse to officially put it on the books. Or do you mean it is laughable to think we are not Just in our killing? - my view's inherently hypocritical, but i think all the intolerant should be be wiped from the face of the planet. |
I like taking my shoes of at the airport! It lets my wigglies breath before a long flight!
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I'm with you 100%,I have no reservations about saying that. |
Not offensive, you are just have a hug-a-tree hippy view.
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Halcyon I think your views are good. Thank you.
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I too support peace through peaceful means, moral persuasion, and passive resistance.
"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men and women who refuse to fight." - Albert Einstein Just got back from placing some flowers in front of my local fire station... ADG Webmaster (former Petty Officer, United States Navy, 6 years) |
Hal, it is your capacity for detachment that makes you a freak and a genius. The trouble is, to those who don't share your gift, this reads like disaffected, objective logic -- something necessarily contemptible to the grieving heart. 2hp |
Your views are your own to believe as you wish.Your views offend me no more than my views should offend you
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I guess it has become so hard to be considered patriotic while not acknowledging the IMMINENT THREAT of TERROR. Being a patriot is much more than supporting our role as world police. |
Well put!
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I just see it as another opinion and everyone's entitled, but there are good ideas there. |
Hal.... i agree with you 100%.... there will always be danger no matter from where or what level...
great post! |
i don't feel more safe, but i feel as though more fear has been thrown at me by our government than ever before - so i choose to ignore it. stop trying to scare me into not flying. yes, i'll follow your pain-in-the-butt rules to get on a flight, but don't think they make me feel more safe - i just choose not to be afraid of getting on the flight in the first place.
i agree with your tree-hugging hippie views, i'd rather hug a tree than be blown to bits by bomb that i worried about for years before it ever came because the media and gw 'told me to'. if i'm meant to explode, well then, i'm meant to explode. i like people who think for themselves, if your thoughts bring you to hugging a tree, i'm cool with that. what's the opposite of being offended? i'm that - about you using your brain and thinking for yourself. :2 cents: :thumbsup |
Nicely said, Hal.
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Here's the issue though. The group that attacked us on 9/11/01 is behind 22 of the 23 wars currently going on in the world today. They're fucking locusts who would take your pink slippers and lifestyle away from you in a heart beat if they could. In fact, the US turned the other way several times through out the 90's and what did it bring us ? 9-11-01 The locusts need to be stomped and killed ! |
I set 2 AAA batteries side-by-side on a rail at night on a hot porch downundah. Flash! Then I photochopped-in some towers and some fire. 2hp |
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nice posts and no offense taken :thumbsup
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It would be nice if our generation as a whole planet of people was the one generation that said enough of this war/terror/anger/killing shit, Let's try on peace for a while and see how it looks on us.
The progress that we would make as a united people would be mind blowing if we all threw in together and said, lets do it. Think of the things that could be eradicated: -AIDS -Cancer -Diabetes -Hunger -Illiteracy -and the common cold :winkwink: To me, it just makes more sense to try to make things work out right than to think of who can I blow up next since my imaginary friend is better than yours.... Just give peace a chance, its sexier than war. :thumbsup |
Actually we're safer than we've ever been. Health care, standard of living, etc etc all contribute to us living longer healthier lives. We don't have to live expecting a good percentage of our children to be dead within their first year of life. Or losing wives/mothers before they're 35. We don't have to worry if we get a simple infection or fever.
But instead of being happy in our less-worrying lives. We create more fears to replace them. Whether those fears are founded or not. Crime, terrorism and even dust mites are bigged up into more of a threat to us than they actually are. It seems we can't be happy as a species unless we have threats to worry about, whether real or imagined. (not even going to get into the fear/control angle of politics and religion who play on our fears). I for one choose not to fear too much, and enjoy my journey through life until my time comes. |
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constant war always forever the end
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http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv2.html http://www.religioustolerance.org/curr_war.htm http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/musl...conflicts.html http://www.uga.edu/islam/jihad.html |
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Violence is never the solution, but it's always part of the solution. You have to embrace all means to your end and be willing to use any of them in order to be effective. I won't even go into the Patriot Act because I know there won't be one person here that has read the whole thing including myself, much less most of the people in congress so that's debating something that we don't have all the knowledge about which isn't that smart. Killing is justified sometimes and so is violence whether you like it or not thats just reality. What's laughable to me is that you nearly miss the whole point. The masses of people don't care or know about what happens in most of the world. Religious fundamentalism and thinking that you are somehow smart enough to tell others how they should live their lives in the real enemy and that enemy is here and there. It's not a debate about if somehow a radical religious nut is sometimes justified. |
"if my answers frighten you, perhaps you should cease to ask scary questions."
it just seemed appropriate. i'm refreshed by a post on this board that isn't conspiracy theory or fear/hate-mongering. thanks again. |
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I think our society has been sucked in by fear on multiple levels. First, our government constantly fills our mind with fear as it is easier to rule over people with fear than it is to rule with no fear. Our government has proven to be incompetent on so many levels, which has caused them to use fear as a means of fooling the public and staying in power.
On top of that, we live in a society of ratings and television stations get more ratings from scaring the public with the next big potential threat than a story about the economy, public schools, or something else. It is easier to grab attention with big shiny graphics that say NEWS ALERT when someone leaves their purse on a plane and the city is evacuated. I think the most interesting part of 9/11 in our society is how different it is treated than other situations. We lost thousands of lives on that day, and it was one of our nations worst days. We have started two wars now because of it, sacrificed thousands of young men and women, spent billions upon billions of dollars, and upset a majority of the world in the aftermath of 9/11. Then I look at another tradedy, Katrina. We saw the loss of thousands of lives, we saw our country devestated moreso than on 9/11 (in a monetary sense), the loss of an entire major city, and yet we have done little to nothing in its aftermath. Have we completely reinforced the levies so that this will never happen again? Have we done everything in our power to ensure that events like this will never happen again? Have we setup our government to function completely different so that they can be more helpful in a time of crisis? My answer would be no. I guess my stance on 9/11 is why certain disasters receive more preference than others. I think 9/11 has been used by politicians to not only instill fear, but to remain in power. My stance is that my life hasn't changed. I don't fear life anymore than I did before 9/11. |
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