Chris Wilson is standing up for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY and this is what he gets...
 

We all know most people are pussies. And being pussies we all know that most people would have shut their sites down completely pending trial while they were shitting their pants hoping not to go to jail.

Here's a clue for some of you. This industry NEEDS people like Chris now more than ever. It NEEDS people bringing attention to themselves and challenging the fucked up system. It NEEDS people that leave their site up even though it has put them on trial. Chris had the balls to do something very few would do and he gets shit on for it.

Would I close my site in his situation? Why yes, yes I would. I would also be scared shitless of being locked up by some backwards ass hillbillies regardless. That doesn't change the fact that what he is doing should be supported 100% by this industry no matter where the fuck you live. Everyone should be behind him and trying to get a number in the win column. As soon as this industry is together on issues like this it will be much harder for anyone to fuck with it.

But alas, everyone likes to do their own thing and not give a shit about anyone but themselves. When the government decides to piss on your parades guess what, nobody will be there to support you either.

You people should be fucking ashamed.

I'll take a seat... and I agree on most of those points

I agree with a LOT of your points...and this was content PROTECTED in a member directory do not forget.....not some stuff just floating around on pages for free....this could be ANYONE in this biz if this guy loses this case.....it will be open season....

Pleasurepays is obviously speakling out of his ass.....

Well I understand the point people make about he should have shut down if he didn't want to go back to jail. That just doesn't take away from the fact that he is fighting an industry fight all by himself. Who cares if he pissed the government off, he knew what might happen so that was his decision to make. He still has to fight a battle that's pretty important and everyone focuses on him ignoring the hicks in his hometown.

Is there anyone on GFY who thinks that everyone who the government tries to silence should just shut give up their constitutional rights and shut their entire legal business down without being convicted of a crime?

This looks like a government attack on free speech and on his business. They would like nothing more than to simply have him shut his entire business down for the years it could take for this to work its way through the court system and appeals.

How many people here would be willing to shut down their entire legal business and give up their free speech rights just because some local government anti-free speech activist doesn't liike adult content?

Should Larry Flynt have completely shut down Hustler Magazine just because the government tried to silence him a few times?

Adult entertainment is a highly risky business from a legal perspective. It used to be run and controlled completely by organized crime families, so that should tell you a lot about the true nature of the biz.

Then the Net came along and changed the entry dynamics and enabled lots of young guys to come in thinking cool, now I can be a porn pimp too. There's been blatant disregard for the laws since day 1.

Now people see people they know getting clipped and its whoa, uh-oh, oh shit time.

So why should I or anyone else be ashamed like you say? Reality is a bitch. Wake up and smell the x-rated coffee. This isn't a fucking game of checkers we're all playing. Its porn. And the risks and liabilities of playing are huge.

Another begging thread.

Very good post and one more boring time this isnt the government , its polk county that doesnt like porn ,they never liked porn and Chris made a discussion to run his business there. I feel bad for him and wish him the best but he was a law enforcement officer there so he knew the legal climate there. People have to wake the fuck up there isnt a its not fair clause in the law .We work in a very gray business and people want to ignore that and then cry its not fair.

Great post

Good post, just one fact I'd like to correct. It wasn't the net that liberated the adult industry from any connection to organized crime... It was the VCR and the video camera that make every swinging dick a porno producer.

Everyone give him $100, thats the least you can do

Polk County needs thier asses handed to them and im sure Mr. Walters can help arrange that. Polk County thinks they so special, lets see how special they feel with some Case Law named after thier hillbilly asses. And that sheriff there needs to lay down that badge and especially that gun and choose a different line of work, like maybe a pastor at some redneck baptist church and that D.A. can be one of his little deacons...

How difficult would it be to start a protest near the jail? Just curious..........

No one will defend pleasurepays if he/she ever gets in trouble with the law..that's for sure. As a matter of fact, we will probably laugh

I agree with everything you said, chagini

and why?

lots of kids here miss the point as usual.

this case is not about obscenity per se. IMO polk county is being pushed by the feds to shut down this guy's modus operandi, and if you kids had any sense you would understand why.

images of brutality in iraq ostensibly at the hands of westerners fuels additional mindless terrorist activity...

just the same as images of iraqi prisoners being abused in american captivity.

and this MINDLESS violence needs to be diffused.

the "obscenity" issue is simply the most expediant way to get this website closed and urge the operator towards a different hobby.

Chris isn't standing up for the system - Chris is trying to save Chris' ass and while anyone is his position would certainly be doing the same.... there really isn't anything noble about it.

If the U.S. government is censoring the free speech rights of U.S. citizens because they are afraid of offending foreign terrorists, then haven't the terrorists already won?

Extremist muslims and extremist christians are both offended by nude human bodies. Both groups, through the years, have committed acts of "mindless violence" because of their belief that "porn" is evil. Should all porn be banned for fear of offending terrorists or should Americans fight for their constitutional rights?

The true nature?? So then you agree that porn is bad, and should not be available on the net.

Porn on the net is nothing more than digitized items of things that happen in bedrooms across the world every day.

The same could be said of Larry Flynt and others who have been wrongly attacked by the government. However, the legal fights that Flynt won benefited all Americans.

Salem witch trials?

"Obscenity" and "sexually explicit" are protected by our First Amendment rights only as far as the "prurient interests" of those in a community will allow it.

We, as vendors of such things, walk a slippery slope and must be mindful that we can't vend anything we want on the internet.

What we see as "ok" may not be seen the same way by others. It's gray. It's complicated. It's sketchy.

It's the way it is, and sadly, when walking a slippery slope, some can fall. I neither agree with what's happening with Chris Wilson or disagree, because I haven't followed the case enough and don't know of the content that's under scrutiny to make my own decision.

Realize, it's people making decisions on what's right and what's wrong, what's appropriate and not for our First Amendment rights. And those people aren't you.

Right or wrong, that's how it is.

of course not, but you miss my point. this ain't about "porn"...this is about practicality. porn and "obscenity" just provides the way to get this site closed.

right now the USA is spending BILLIONS fighting a mindless irrational enemy that cannot easily be reckoned with.

this case is NOT about "obscenity"---if it was about "obscenity" there are 50,000 MORE obscene websites operating in the USA today.

this is about getting a website shut down that gives free porn memberships to soldiers who can supply images of people being mangled and killed and dismembered in the middle east.

every crazed camel jockey in the world with an axe to grind against the western "infidels" can go online and see his fellow rag head dismembered because this knucklehead in florida is publishing these images so he can get some easy traffic to push his mediocre smut.

someone way higher up (federal govt) wants this site shut down because by doing so will actually save people's lives.

it ain't about dirty pictures---it's about trying to prevent another dune coon from strapping plastic explosives to his belly and walking into a market in bagdad and blowing his guts out and the guts out of a bunch of other innocent people.

i know this is complicated for many here.

The constitution makes no exception for speech that offends other people. A few bad Supreme Court cases, which need to be overturned, are the problem. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, who cares if some people are offended?

How can you not be on the side of legal free speech featuring consenting adults?

Did you read the article? The defense tried to present an expert witness and the judge refused, agreeing instead with the prosecutor who said something like, "we don't need any experts to tell us what we saw."

Free speech threads on GFY are always sad.

Good post.

Most here probably agree with you that this comes from higher up. But for some people, that makes them want to fight it even more.

I'm just trying to say that rights privileged under the Constitution are rights that are debated and agreed / disagreed upon by individuals. What we think should be right may not be the same for someone else. Any other way, and you have a dictatorship with a predetermined set of rights that can't be challenged.

I really dislike what's happening with our Constitutional rights (being in the USA), especially after the wiretap Bush thing. And I'm sure there's many more who feel like I do. However, there's also a large group who don't feel like I do, which makes me fucked.

And until they no longer exist in the country I live, and no longer support those who disagree with how I feel, what the fuck am I to do; other than continue to try and influence others with my viewpoint and change the system.

We have a names for censorship when it comes from above and the content isn't obscene:

"Oppression" and "Prior Restraint"

IMHO

i didn't know someone was "fighting for me". i thought it was just some idiot in SisterFuck USA thumbing his nose at the law... again and again and again.

two points.

1) this is a healthy discussion even if you think i am a dick.

2) i am tired of his situation being mischaracterized and turned into something its not followed by "please send money"

its simple. he lives in a risky place. doing risky shit. doing some clearly stupid shit and bragging about it. then gets all excited that CNN is going to interview him about war dead and porn access. then gets charged by prosecutors which only a retarded 5 yr old would not have seen coming. then as i understand it, a condition of his bail was that he stop operating the site pending the trial (which for all of you in denial is quite normal - no judge is going to say "hey, go ahead and operate your meth lab, we will figure it all out in court 6 months from now), he didn't and went back to jail. he lives in THE worst place in the USA to be connected to porn. i dont know him, but so far he has proven himself to be an idiot on so many levels that i feel no sympathy for him.

its not rocket science. him going back to jail is not a constitutional issue. its not about free speech. its about one guy who made a long string of terrible choices and is paying for them. not my problem. not my fight. stop asking me for money.

He was hosting in the Netherlands, and this is more proof that just because you move your hosting out of the USA it doesn't ensure you're safe. SO many people feel they can host outside the USA and say "fuck you" about 2257 and other laws.

No, no, no, you have it all wrong my friend.

This clowns attorney is a free speech attorny therefore, it is a free speech issue ergo, they need 'donations' as usual :winkwink:

I mean sheesh, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to see that :winkwink:

Regards,

Lee

you dont understand because you are quoting this out of context. it was a response to the other dipshit saying that the site was ordered to be shut down pending a trial by the judge and he was arguing that nothing has been deemed obscene or illlegal so its infringing on his rights somehow to make such an order. its not. its normal procedure. you dont get arrested for doing something illegal and then told "hey, go on ahead and keep doing it until we finally have a trial a year from now". typically the judge demands that these activities cease as with this case. he did. chris knew that. he did not stop. judge revoked his bail and had him arrested. nothing unusual about that either.

if you want to argue that his site does not break the law or whatever, thats all debatable and fine. but if you want to argue that there was anything odd about him being put back in jail, and then try to make retarded arguments that the judge was wrong because he had not been proven to have broken the law, then you need your head examined.

I think his point was that if chris was going to throw himself to the lions, that he shouldnt be complaining if they bite him... :winkwink:

When he should have just been complaining that they were lions :)


For some people standing up for something is the same as saving your own ass or at the very least they go hand in hand. I have seen nothing to suggest chris is sacrificing anything for our well being.. he is fighting because he was attacked, thats the only option when your attacked ( or lay down and die )

Im not saying chris is a bad guy or his fight isn't "valid" i'm just saying we shouldn't be suprised that 2+2 = 4 .

I hope things go well for him and he wins and gets out of jail. I hope the laws become more clearly defined. And i hope for world peace :) lets hope for 3 out of 4 anyways

I'm not Islamic, but while we're hoping, I'm going for the forty virgins who were stellar porn star babes in their previous life.

:)

No that wasn't the point of this post. You can think he's a crazy fucker for thumbing his nose at the government, lots of people feel the same. My point is his fight is beneficial regardless if he is doing it to stand up for his freedoms or if he is just too retarded to know what will happen. He shouldn't be getting a "fuck you" from anyone for doing something that really needs to be done. Balls or stupidity make no difference.

Smokey-san, "I hope the laws become more clearly defined" This case is, at least to me, exactly how it happens. Also, I'm all for the world peace :)

Also, if one doesn't want to make donation for Chris' plight...one shouldn't.

sorry.. but i dont agree with you. he put himself in a terrible spot by making a long string of incredibly stupid decisions... then started calling attention to it and was even bragging about CNN coming to interview him. That was not for my benefit or anyone elses.

frankly, from what i know, it looks a lot like someone acting like an immature teen smartass who got popped for it.

your don't tell judges and the federal government to fuck off and then complain you are being picked on.

i dont think he is a crazy fucker for anything. when you hang a big piece of meat around your neck and dance around in front of wolves... you get attacked. end of story. its not my fight. its not our fight. its the fight of one person who did a lot of stupid shit and the fact that his bond was revoked as a result of his failure to comply with a court order, was the final proof of the fact that he has absolutely no clue whatsoever... and your posts and others supporting him calling that an infringement of his rights and a constitutional issue is the final proof that you have no grasp on the reality at all.

sorry... i am not one of those tin foil hat kinda guys. some of you fucking freaks sound like you are posting from your underground bunkers in northern idaho while cradling your M-16 waiting for the revolution to come.

one last thing that annoys me about you people...

NOT ONE OF YOU "PLEASE HELP CHRIS" JERKOFFS HAS ADMITTED THAT HE HAS ANY RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL FOR ANY PART OF THIS.

Chris should have stopped when he was told to, and fought it out in court. No website is worth going to prison for.

Also, he should have moved if he knew how redneck the justice system is where he lives. Why do you think I moved to Vegas? Do a search sometime on Smith County, Texas and see some really corrupt and redneck government.

Your entirely right , laws get defined by how they are instituted ( prosecuted ), i was just meaning "entire industry" isnt the case :) and that chris may not do whats "best" for the industry.. who's to say he doesn't settle for a guilty plea and they give him no charges and 5 million in cash .. :) obviously that aint going to happen but i'm just saying he could do that and it would "screw" the industry right..

I would need to know a few more details before i donated , but i'm not at all against donating :thumbsup

Here is the news article about Chis' hearing if you are interested in learning more:

Net Porn Owner Back In Jail

You know they are fucking with him when he had to post 301 seperate bonds, one for each charge.

Bonds Article