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JConway 09-09-2002 03:41 PM

Why does everybody hate America(ns)?
 
It seems that every chance that other countries have to rag on America and it's citizens...they do. What the fuck? Are we like that big sports dynasty that just dominates the world and is easy to not like or what?

It seems like we are constantly helping the underdogs, albeit, slightly meddling, but none the less helping.

Why does everybody hate everything associated with Americans and America, except Americans?

salsbury 09-09-2002 03:44 PM

before you think america is all great and wonderful for helping other countries, consider that america doesn't help countries unless it benefits somehow. that is, america isn't a giving nation.

it's not really helping to replace one dictator (individual leader) with another (the us government).

tree 09-09-2002 03:47 PM

everyone hates the lead dog....they always have to look at his ass....jealousy pure and simple.

[Labret] 09-09-2002 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by tree
everyone hates the lead dog....they always have to look at his ass....jealousy pure and simple.
Tree is a perfect example.

Martin 09-09-2002 03:50 PM

Quote:

Why does everybody hate everything associated with Americans and America, except Americans?
I would say that you have a few Americans that hate Americans and everything American..

tree 09-09-2002 03:50 PM

ya labret... like your not the poster child ignorant redneck yourself....do you have a mullet or drive a camero ??

Brown Bear 09-09-2002 03:51 PM

I think any country that creates a TV show like Jerry Springer deserves to be hated.

Vendot 09-09-2002 03:52 PM

> Why does everybody hate everything associated
> with Americans and America, except Americans?

Not everybody does but in other parts of the world its the American fast food, porn, excess and the aggressive culture that gets people down.

Having said that, there is an element of jealousy there... people always make jibes about Microsoft because they're the biggest and most successful. Same applies here in some respect.

In China and in the Middle East they hate the Internet because they believe its an instrument by which we proliferate that culture into their homes. For China I guess theyre worried about democracy too.

I think some of their complaints are justified when America, for example, takes unilateral military actions or makes policy decisions based on self interest but most of it is fairly trivial and in my opinion, irrelevant.

minimouse 09-09-2002 03:54 PM

America is the evil empire, the country is controlled by the rich white people (I'm not racist but thats the truth and you all know it) who don't give a damn about anything except their money.
the middle class americans are shallow people who don't understand shit about life.. they know only how to buy stuff from brand names coca cola nike etc...

Some times it's fun to be an american after the 11th of september
because americans JUST LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS (example hollywood.. have you seen a movie with a sad ending?)
and they love to strike all over the world, to prove over and over again how powerful they are..

anyways I can go on and on... but fuck it who cares..

[Labret] 09-09-2002 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by tree
ya labret... like your not the poster child ignorant redneck yourself....do you have a mullet or drive a camero ??
I was always under the impression that "rednecks" were always quite patriotic. Country music loving proud to be an amerikun good ol boys with pickups and American flags on their gun racks.

I love my country, I just hate the people who live here. And it is people like you who cannot seperate the two that are truly ignorant.

No. I have a shaved head and a Jetta. I bet you drive a Mustang 5.0. Dumbfucks always do.

sexyclicks 09-09-2002 04:06 PM

I don't hate Americans - I know they are just people like me and you with their own problems and concerns.

I hate the American policy for all the nasty things they have done in the world.

There is an interesting book listing all the cases where the American Goverment has interfered for the last 50-60 years. You can see the preview here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...03#reader-link
The author is an American journalist in an American newspaper just listing the FACTS and quoting many interviews of American leaders.

DarkJedi 09-09-2002 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by JConway

Why does everybody hate everything associated with Americans and America, except Americans?

Cause some dumb ass rappers in america can buy a house for 10 mil USD and install everything out of gold there (i seen it on MTV) whyle some family in africa lives a whole week on 1 Dollar

MaxDent 09-09-2002 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by minimouse
America is the evil empire, the country is controlled by the rich white people (I'm not racist but thats the truth and you all know it) who don't give a damn about anything except their money.
the middle class americans are shallow people who don't understand shit about life.. they know only how to buy stuff from brand names coca cola nike etc...

Some times it's fun to be an american after the 11th of september
because americans JUST LOVE HAPPY ENDINGS (example hollywood.. have you seen a movie with a sad ending?)
and they love to strike all over the world, to prove over and over again how powerful they are..

anyways I can go on and on... but fuck it who cares..

America is the evil empire? Compared to who? Iraq? China? Where there aren't many freedoms. America cannot be compared to a single country because we are a melting pot of pretty much everyone. If we were truly so terrible then why are there so many people trying to get in? Life is better here. Standards of living high, it is simple to get a basic education, and only here do people actually have the hope of being successful. The middle class in this country support the rich and the very poor by paying high taxes. Mostly to fund glut in entitlements for the poor and pork projects for all members of government. I'd agree that most Americans don't have a clue but we do value freedom, freedom of speech, and human rights, something that is a unique value system. I don't know of another country where these values are held as high as the US. As far as the brand name and such that non-Americans have access to, those products are probably the staples of their entire economy and are probably produced locally which provides jobs.

Sometimes it is fun to be an American after Sept 11? I can't and wouldn't want to turn on/off my citizenship like a light switch. I'm very proud of who I am and where I'm from. I pitty that you are taking the narrow view. However, I would fight and die to protect your 'freedom' to speak your views even if you wouldn't return the favor.

Just my :2 cents:

JConway 09-09-2002 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi


Cause some dumb ass rappers in america can buy a house for 10 mil USD and install everything out of gold there (i seen it on MTV) whyle some family in africa lives a whole week on 1 Dollar

But this is one of the many things that makes America great. Hope.

From an American perspective, a higher quality of living is a good thing not a bad thing.

ADL Colin 09-09-2002 04:20 PM

Labret us DEFINITELY not a redneck. HaHa.

Joe Sixpack 09-09-2002 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by JConway
Why does everybody hate everything associated with Americans and America, except Americans?
Maybe its got something to do with the colossal arrogance of the US and its citizens. Ever heard of humility?

Tex Willer 09-09-2002 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by JConway
It seems that every chance that other countries have to rag on America and it's citizens...they do. What the fuck? Are we like that big sports dynasty that just dominates the world and is easy to not like or what?
i don't hate american citizens
politicians are always to blame

i'd send all politicians to work in mines or fields
or let them try adult online biz if they prefer
let them see what 1:2500 conv. ratio is =)

JConway 09-09-2002 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Martin


I would say that you have a few Americans that hate Americans and everything American..

Why don't they leave? Seriously...why don't they leave?:BangBang:

hahmike 09-09-2002 04:23 PM

:BangBang: hix.

JConway 09-09-2002 04:25 PM

It just seems like half the people in other countries who are "USA haters" would certainly not turn down the opportunity to live here. And by golly we allow them to move right in?

Terenzo 09-09-2002 04:41 PM

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Originally posted by MaxDent


America is the evil empire? Compared to who? Iraq? China? Where there aren't many freedoms. America cannot be compared to a single country because we are a melting pot of pretty much everyone. If we were truly so terrible then why are there so many people trying to get in? Life is better here. Standards of living high, it is simple to get a basic education, and only here do people actually have the hope of being successful. The middle class in this country support the rich and the very poor by paying high taxes. Mostly to fund glut in entitlements for the poor and pork projects for all members of government. I'd agree that most Americans don't have a clue but we do value freedom, freedom of speech, and human rights, something that is a unique value system. I don't know of another country where these values are held as high as the US. As far as the brand name and such that non-Americans have access to, those products are probably the staples of their entire economy and are probably produced locally which provides jobs.

Sometimes it is fun to be an American after Sept 11? I can't and wouldn't want to turn on/off my citizenship like a light switch. I'm very proud of who I am and where I'm from. I pitty that you are taking the narrow view. However, I would fight and die to protect your 'freedom' to speak your views even if you wouldn't return the favor.

Just my :2 cents:

freedom in america ??? hehehe.. i have been living there, in a middwest town in southern illinois near the indiana border. very kind people, but freedom???

freedom compared to china, russia, yes that might be true, but in my fucking country the highest politicans or bankers can travel by train, they don't have to be scared by terrorists, and if you say that switzerland is fucking tiny, smaller than one of your bigger cities, yes that might be true!! but our banks still control more private equity than everyone else!

man, i like america, i like americans (unlike labret does). but some folks overthere are fucking clueless and naive. i have seen interviews of gi's in afghanistan! fuck, they really believe they help someone else besides their own government which want to secure that oil pipline in northern afghanistan.

i tell you, i am fucking scared of the us goverment. the us should start to respect international treaties then it would get back political respect. the us could make a worldwide peace, but some governmental fucker just dont want.

foe 09-09-2002 04:54 PM

they are jealous

salsbury 09-09-2002 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by JConway
Why don't they leave? Seriously...why don't they leave?:BangBang:
because in general, the US is one of the best places to live.

just because it is the best doesn't mean it is good, though. would you rather the critics ignore the US's problems? does that seem like the ideal "American Way" to you?

LiveDose 09-09-2002 04:57 PM

I think it is great that everyone hates us. Now maybe all these haters will stop trying to immigrate here.

mika 09-09-2002 05:02 PM

I get an impression that there are a lot of American cry babies here.
The fact is, if you look at the posts in this board a LOT MORE Americans are crying about how Europeans don't like Americans than Europeans saying that America is doing something wrong etc.

I try to be as objective as I can, and I can hardly find anyone blaming USA, instead I see MANY AMERICANS who seem to be very worried about what people in other countries may think about them.

Maybe Americans are having their periods or something ;)

cosis 09-09-2002 05:02 PM

everyone always hates the best

JConway 09-09-2002 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by mika
I get an impression that there are a lot of American cry babies here.
The fact is, if you look at the posts in this board a LOT MORE Americans are crying about how Europeans don't like Americans than Europeans saying that America is doing something wrong etc.

I try to be as objective as I can, and I can hardly find anyone blaming USA, instead I see MANY AMERICANS who seem to be very worried about what people in other countries may think about them.

Maybe Americans are having their periods or something ;)

This board is comprised of more Americans than Europeans. Of course there are more Americans posting. If you don't think many other nations dislike America and it's people, you are the naive one.

JConway 09-09-2002 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by salsbury


because in general, the US is one of the best places to live.

just because it is the best doesn't mean it is good, though. would you rather the critics ignore the US's problems? does that seem like the ideal "American Way" to you?

I didn't say America is perfect, but it is certainly one of the "easiest" nations to live in. I understand that we aren't perfect, but to me imperfection doesn't translate into evil?

FrankyW 09-09-2002 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by salsbury
before you think america is all great and wonderful for helping other countries, consider that america doesn't help countries unless it benefits somehow. that is, america isn't a giving nation.

it's not really helping to replace one dictator (individual leader) with another (the us government).

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. You wouldn't do anything unless you had some kind of advantage to it, unless it's your family or a close friend.

And yes, it is fucked up that US is trying to act as a policeman, that is, if it's really the case. I think they are just interested in trying out new military tactics to further establish their power.

LiveDose 09-09-2002 05:39 PM

Actually the only Americans who give a shit about what other countries think are Bush and the pussies in congress.

The majority of us really don't give fuck what you all think. However we are entitled to defend ourselves against verbal attacks aren't we. Oh, or is that just one more thing that makes us devils...

Tell us about Finland Mika...

Frank W 09-09-2002 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by [Labret]


......
I love my country, I just hate the people who live here. And it is people like you who cannot seperate the two that are truly ignorant.

.......


Isn't it the VALUES that Americans have that created America? If other people in the world had these values they can create a similar society regardless of natural resources and geography? Isn't all about Human Capital? Isn't it the PEOPLE that constitute America?

If you have people with differing values inhabiting the geography of the US, you wouldn't have the same results.

mika 09-09-2002 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by LiveDose
The majority of us really don't give fuck what you all think. However we are entitled to defend ourselves against verbal attacks aren't we. Oh, or is that just one more thing that makes us devils...

You just proved my point.
There are dozens of people in this board who keep repeating the same sentence "don't give fuck what you all think"

Why do you assume I give a fuck? I don't
I don't give a fuck about what America does, yet I see comments like yours lol

mijoon 09-09-2002 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Martin


I would say that you have a few Americans that hate Americans and everything American..

Thats for sure. A month or so ago , during the jazz festival , I seen a band from NEW YORK take the stage and the asshole singer spent the first 10 mins. of the set running the USA into the dirt (in 3 languages) . I walked away , I had come to hear music , but instead I got a leftie lecture on world politics .
:feels-hot

Frank W 09-09-2002 05:50 PM

By the way, JConway, great use of the "CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC" message spam technique. Great for getting your SIG noticed as well as maybe a shot at a DVD player.

[Labret] 09-09-2002 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LiveDose

Tell us about Finland Mika...

You really dont want to go there.

Definitely a higher standard of living than the USA.

More literate, no homeless, no crime. All white and the women are the most beautiful women I have ever seen.

Finland was nothing short of amazing when I was there.

[Labret] 09-09-2002 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Frank W


Isn't it the VALUES that Americans have that created America?

An American with values?

Americans cant agree on jack shit, to declare we all have a common system of values is a joke.

I love the principles this country was founded upon, unfortunately we have strayed from those principles. Badly.

JConway 09-09-2002 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Frank W
By the way, JConway, great use of the "CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC" message spam technique. Great for getting your SIG noticed as well as maybe a shot at a DVD player.
What the fuck are you talking about? I never used the words "CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC" in my title. This thread was in response to another thread about basketball, in which everybody was US bashing. And what the fuck are you talking about a DVD player?:321GFY

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=76097

Frank W 09-09-2002 06:31 PM

Your post fits a spam type I dubbed "Controversial Topic" where the poster writes a controversial post about a person or a widely held belief or other mainstream issue and proceeds to bash it. Other posters wittingly or unwittingly join in and the thread grows. You create the longest thread for the week and you win a free DVD. But better than a DVD, if your topic is controversial enough and gets bumped long enough you get thousands of webmasters checking out your message and looking at your SIG.

I have no problems with clever marketing. I just find great amusement in pointing them out and categorizing them.

For other amusing spam post types, check SleazyDream's thread on "Intelligent Spam"

Quote:

Originally posted by JConway


What the fuck are you talking about? I never used the words "CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC" in my title. This thread was in response to another thread about basketball, in which everybody was US bashing. And what the fuck are you talking about a DVD player?:321GFY

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=76097


[Labret] 09-09-2002 06:34 PM

Has anyone actually received a DVD. Everyone likes to throw that around, yet I dont recall anyone getting one. I think it is an urban legend.

And is there anyone here who doesnt have one yet?

corvo 09-09-2002 07:04 PM

is it just me or do americans seem to think that everyone hates them and wants to move to america?
i don't do either. after all, the doublespeak the american g'ment participates in is evident in all countries regardless, be it in europe, asia, or here in oz.


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