oh...so that's why then been teaching you in school...."the evil soviets attacked us...so the nice nazis helped us"
you might not be as bad today...but back then you were the same as the nazi scum

Babehunter you don't know what you're talking about. When Russia attacked Finland FIRST and later Germany happened to attack Russia, do you think we should have gave up arms and let Russia invade our country so that no-one could call us nazis?
Unbelievable logic you got there..

hi ya all.

i'm from a third world country in south east asia.
i know you guys don't care about what i'm going to say so i'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

decades ago, USA helped our country by driving away this certain country that's trying to colonize ours. anyway, after they've finally forced out the said country, they said that they would leave already and that they really did "just want to help" us out.

But is that what the Americans did? No. They stayed and tried to colonize us as well. They helped us not because they were being kind-hearted but because they were trying to take over our small and helpless country as well by making us grateful and hopefully we'll take them whole-heartedly.

Yes. We owe a lot to America but I don't believe that was reason enough for them to take what is not theirs.

Right now, USA is having problems with Bin Laden. Why? Because supposedly Bin Laden was a part of the CIA during the war against middle east. Now, Afghanistan helped the USA in the battle against the middle east with the promise that USA would help them out after. But was that the case? No. USA left Afghanistan without even being grateful.

USA is too proud a country. They always say, "We're the best." "They're just jelous". etc... Well from my point of view, they're nothing but bloodsucking parasites that forget about a country after they've already gotten what they wanted...

just my :2 cents: ...
no hard feelings...

Are you fucking kidding? I don't give flying fuck about who hates Americans.

haha you are funny...keep thinking that way...i don't give a shit

Again, I think you see some of the draw backs to being so removed from other parts of the world. Not only geographically but in mind set too. Many Americans spend their lives looking only at what is in the US. It comes as a great shock to them that people hate us elsewhere. Their first reaction is defensive because most of them are just regular people that don't deserve to be hated on. They can't phathom why someone would hate them for seemingly no reason.

My hope is that over time the US will develop more of a global mindstate, but that will also require an open global dialog and acceptance on both sides. Look a this revolution that we're using now; the internet! :thumbsup

that was a good explanation..

America and its citizens

Hate is a big word, I don't think there are lot of people who use this specific word to describe how they feel about the USA.

I would have liked if you locked up Britney Spears, kept your RAP music on US soil and not killed our citizens with your MCDONALDS junk food, but you can't have everything....

Babehunter, you are an uneducated twat and no response is really worthy of going your way. You may want to look up the word "NAZI" in a dictionary and see what it really means.
Finland surely cannot be considered a "NAZI" country.

Some people need to get their information from multiple sources and understand that America's role in WW2 wasn't all that big as Hollywood wants to make you believe.

Do most Americans think that living in Europe is THAT much different from the USA? All your nice little gadgets and technological advancements have made it over the ocean. And don't forget that there are more highly technological nations on this earth that produce these handy tools.

God bless the Western world and its people.

You are suprisingly arrogant today.

Read this:

Despite Finland's contributions to the German cause, the Western Allies had ambivalent feelings, torn between their residual goodwill for Finland and the need to support their vital ally, the Soviet Union. As a result, Britain declared war against Finland, but the United States did not; there were no hostilities between these countries and Finland. In the United States, Finland was highly regarded, because it had continued to make payments on its World War I debt faithfully throughout the interwar period.
Finland also earned respect in the West for its refusal to allow the extension of Nazi anti-Semitic practices in Finland. Jews were not only tolerated in Finland, but Jewish refugees also were allowed asylum there. In a strange paradox, Finnish Jews fought in the Finnish army on the side of Hitler.

Fishfusion-x,

Where are you from? I assume it was Japan that was pushed out because we didn't do a lot of that in Asia until then.

This is extremely good thinking.

Now WHERE ARE your sources?
All you do is write a little message without showing us where you got the information.

Statements like that are worthless.

Hey Mika

Your are dead right, when a tiny country like Australia gets its wheat imports cut by that much, it reaaaaly hurts our farmers.

Iraq is our biggest wheat buyer by far.

Australia is also one of the only free trade countries in the world, and both England and USA have huge tariffs on our products which keeps our products out of these countries.

So again, yes, the wheat deal hurt us alot.

But I say again, Australia will "NEVER" not stand by our friends and allies "EVER".

Our concern like many countries around the world is that we want to make sure there is clear proof Iraq is building weapons of mass destruction. If they are, fuck you wont be able to stop us from going in there and blowing the fucking place up.

Australia believes in Freedom and democracy - more so than any other country in my opinion.

Another "for the record" point - Australia is the "ONLY" democracy not built or created from a war!

Australians are a peace loving nation of peoples from all over the world.

In this time of war on terrorism, God Save America - with a handful of Australians to help make sure ;-)

Wheat or no wheat - we are the closest of friends with our American mates

And now I say goodnight, as it is late in beautiful Brisbane Australia

:thumbsup

I believe you. I must say I checked my info and noticed that mainly some guys from the wheat association were warning against US support. Seems to me like government officially supports US.

But how it is in Australia? I would still guess that majority doesn't support an actual invasion of Iraq.

Bla Bla Bla

I know what nazi is...it's hitlers political party....
I don't need to prove anything...i'm just stating my opinion...

Multibill,

After reading your post I am moving to Australia!

Evidence of IRAQ developing weapons of mass destruction:

Where is the evidence, surely we are not going to believe Bush or Blair by just saying that IRAQ is currently developing these types of weaponry? Citizens with some intelligence will ask for HARD PROOF, something believeable.

We need to take out Saddam because he doesn't drink COCACOLA.

Well, I think we might need to import some wheat this year from the Aussies, god bless'em :thumbsup

night from Seattle too, guys and gals

You are weak.
Don't present your opinion as a fact when it isn't factual.

Here is your opinion

a. Finland fought against Soviets
b. Germany fought against Soviets
c. Finland and Germany were allies
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d. conclusion: Finnish were nazis

That's the most fucked up argument I've seen for some time.

Why?

It is like saying

a. Soviets fought against Germans
b. USA fought agains Germans
c. Soviets and USA were allies
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d. Babehunter's logic: USA were communist

who are you exactly? who gives you the right to say "don't present your opinion" ?

you are nobody...no 1 cares what you think...so you come here and bitch about it...it's just happens that i have a free hour right now so i don't care posting...

european union sucks, the UN sucks

GOD BLESS THE U.S.A!
GOD BLESS ISRAEL

:1orglaugh funny shit

At least it made you shut your uneducated mouth :1orglaugh

it's not shut...i'm leaughing...i'm just having fun...you are nobody so i don't need to argue with you

hmm, solid comeback ?

You are the one making up facts, not Mika.

btw: I understand why you think the European Union sucks, but the reason is not relevant to this thread ;-)

Quiet...you are somebody...hehe

Philippines

Fine with me.
Everyone can see how you stated that Finnish people (who include my past grandfathers) were nazis. I assume you are Jew, so your statement was EXTREMELY offensive to me.

Everyone can draw their own conclusion about how you handled this debate.

"On the Finnish Independence Day, the 6th of December, in 1944, President Mannerheim, Marshal of Finland, visited the synagogue in Helsinki where the memory of the Jewish soldiers killed in action was honoured. When Mannerheim died in 1951, the Jewish community raised a large sum of money which was donated to the Mannerheim Fund of Child Welfare as an expression of gratitude for the defence of the equal rights of Jews in Finland."


Jewish Finns fought side-by-side with other Finns. They were brothers in arms in the wars against Soviets.
I wish the Jewish Finn war veterans don't hear today's young Jews like Babehunter here talking such bullshit.

Let me tell you

1) Everyone hates US foreign policy. US thinks there is no countries beside US, they're the best! They don't care the world. They forgot they live in planet earth!

2) US don't care about saving world, cowboy bush declined Kyoto protocol! But in every US movie, an US citizen saves the world! WTF?!?

3) US trying to control all countries, by sending US agents. if any country like IRAQ declines that, US bombs it. same goes for Afghanistan!

4) US citizen don't know history or countries. They think life is beautiful everywhere. Like many US citizen thinks Turkey is an arab state just because we're muslim! LOL!

5) US send nuke bomb twice to Japan, even see first bombs result and suicide of innocent people! and with a proper propaganda, whole US citizens though JAPAN DESERVE IT! Come on what in the world can deserve such a dishonorable destruction??

6) US made innocent people suicide on Vietname too.

7) US soldiers still killing innocent Afghanistan people in the streets. There is 7-8 races living in afghanistan. Not only OSAMA!

8) US helping to israeli, to suicide of arabs. He let this war begin. And by selling weapons to Israeli US become #1 ally of Israeli. if there is no war, Israel won't need any weapons huh? Think who don't wanna stop this war!

9) US always support wars, beause they can sale weapons to gain lots of money! Do you know most money made from Weapon exchange?

XP,

OFF-topic question:

When will Turkey embrace Western values and start working to build a more democratic country?

I am wondering because Turkey wants to join the EU and all.

I've been living in NYC for 4 years which has been enough to understand what America is about.
America is a country with no respect for life starting from children.
America is a country very ill but the worse part is looking at the rest of the world admiring and emulating it.

Of course, America it is not only shit but as far as I am concerned I would like to see a "Global Authority" controlling America and Americans from birth to death.

A country with no respect for children and uncapable to protect them, it is not a country to respect.
A country where men are considered "Dicks with a wallet" doesn't deserve to be an exapmple to the rest of the world.

I am sorry for all of my american friends and for all american men.
You guys in that country don't count a shit. You are able to make money because that's the only thing you are allowed to do/think of.
Woman don't like you even in the bed. The look for Italians (or Europeans) for sexual satisfation.
I understand why, though. It would be like this even in my country, Italy, if women would be allowed (by law for example) to treat men like they do in America.

I never seen in my life before women treat men like peicec of shit.
I used to work as a waiter in restaurants, at the beginning of my life in NYC, and I swear to all of you that I would have liked to kill those bitches who treated men in the way I've seen 'em to.

America is a place for poor people with no resources or for super rich asses with enough money to have the best lawyers to be right even if they are wrong.

The middle class is paying and suffering to make the 2 categories above have a life.

Education? America has not time to spend in taking care of children education. Children in your country are sexually and mentally abused everyday. They grow-up living their lives in revenge and anger for what they experienced in childhood.
A judge needs to see phisical marks on a baby's body to decide to take him/her away from the mother.
To a judge, what counts, it is that the beby will be well taken care and fed properly. America has not time to think about mental bruises. They have too bigger shit to take care of. Education? Please! With all the children who's getting fucked and beaten everyday, who does have time to think about education?
I tell you who...THE REST OF THE WORLD!

You, America, produce BUGS who will be spread in the rest of the world causing pain and shit to those who, like me, grew up in a SANE (mentally and phisical) environment. Someone like me who didn't have a clue of what people could have been able to do, after they have been raised in a sick environment, like america is.

Adults bodies with messed up brains. This is what America produces. The rest of the world will pay for it!

This is one of the thousend of resons why many people around the world hate you, americans.

I have a son in America. I loved him and I love him like I never thought it was possible to love. I left America with a bad story on my back and the love for my son is the only reason why I am spending time in writing these lines.
I hope somebody, one day, will be able to fix all the shit America has within its borders.
I hope for my son. I hope for all the American babies who were born and for those who will come. I hope for all my american friends. I hope also for the American men, I don't even know.
I hope for the world.

World wake up!
Do somthing!

Gabriele

No time to teach the children proper english, grammar, spelling. etc..
some say people from other countries speak better english than Americans..
try reading the posts here and you'll notice mistakes like saying "your" when it's supposed to be "you're"
or "their" instead of "they're", etc...

babehunter, if you are a real man, you will back up this insult with some arguments

if you're an ignorant young boy who cannot defend his insult, then shut up forever and learn some manners

to who are you telling to shut up? haa?
i don't need a nobody to tell me what i can say or can't say...
i'll say what ever i want...true or not...you don't like it? well too bad...

Americans ask yourself this question ... what countries do YOU hate? Many of us say "I hate Iraq" .. or whatever country. There's probably a nice long list of Arab countries at the top of your list. Maybe Cuba. Probably some African country or another. Now, think of the people in those countries saying "Why do the Americans hate us so much? I haven't done anything to them." Which is true. Some guy working in Iraq breaking his back everyday to make a living for his family doesn't give a shit about you - nor you about him - but he feels YOU hate him. Somehow, you have hatred for a culture you haven't even lived in and probably don't know much about.

We humans automatically categorize entire groups of people, races, and any organization and then apply labels to them. Enemy, ally, hate, love.

Now, I love America. This is my home. This is my culture. Some people say that America is devoid of culture but they are completely wrong. American culture in the form of it's music, movies, food, drinks, and many more things are spreading and continue to spread around the world. American culture is a huge export. Cultural Diffusion. You can find Michael Jackson CDs in Afghanistan (it's a little slow). *I* am proud to be American. There is something special about America. Without even checking to verify, I feel pretty confident that America has taken in more immigrants than any other country in the past 50 years. Lots of people around the world obviously have a positive view of the US to come here - and continue to come here - even if some have a negative view. With 6 billion people on this planet there are going to be many different views.


I've seen some other parts of the world too and they are no better or worse than America (observation from my few visits anyway). Holland, Southern France, Barcelona, a few cities in Canada, Monaco, Puerto Rico. These are great places and I could live in any of them, depending on the season. Though, I will probably stay here.

As far as "The US helped this country .. why don't they like us?" A handout is great but it creates resentment. Look at the situation in Kuwait. The US/UN bailed their country out. The people were waving American flags and holding up pictures of Bush in the streets just ten years ago. Yet a recent CNN poll shows a large majority of Kuwaitis today with a negative attitude towards the US. I think a similar thing happened in France after WW II. This is a nasty habit of human nature. Not one that one likes when on the giving side but it does makes sense.

When you grow up in America, you tend to love America. When you grow up in Finland, you tend to love Finland. When you grow up in Australia, you tend to love Australia. Each has their own culture, separate and distinct from "Western Culture". That we should love our home countrie's
cultures should not surprise us either.

So do it .. and love me .. cuz I love you .. and do business with me cuz I am here at GFY only for that purpose. Money - the great equalizer across cultures.

I agree. But are you so ignorant that you cannot admit that you don't know the political and historical facts behind the history of Jewish Finns during the WW2?

If I was you, I would admit it and maybe get more knowledge. Instead you continue insulting.

You're making yourself look bad. You shouldn't insult someone without a reason. If you do, you should definitely provide a reason.

Because it's different to call someone an asshole, than trying to ruin the reputation of men, both Finn and Jewish Finn, who fought side-by-side in the war and DIED for my country. Now that is a real insult and I do not take it lightly.

Well...i might be wrong about finland...i know that Denmark, Sweeden and Holland helped jews in WW2...but i never heard anything about Finland helping or something...and since i DO know that they were figting with the nazis...so i might have came to a fast conclusion...

i still don't like the UN and the european Union....

GOD BLESS THE U.S.A
GOD BLESS ISRAEL

its not easy to change laws instantly. like US different than EU, TR different than EU too.
I don't believe EU will accept Turkey. Because we're muslim, different than all EU countries.

After kopenhang criterias, now they ask for madrid criterias. I think EU will ask about 300-400 criterias to decline Turkey.

But EU needs us. We have mostly youth population, EU don't!
I'm sure all big EU countries economy will die in 20 years due to old population.

Ok. That happens. Well, I hope you find this info useful:

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"When SS-chief Heinrich Himmler traveled to Finland in the summer of 1942, he reportedly asked Finnish Prime Minister J.W. Rangall about Finland's Jews. Rangall replied "We have no Jewish question." When Himmler raised this issue with C.G. Mannerheim, commander-in-chief of Finland's armed forces, the 75-year-old marshal confronted the issue head-on, declaring: "Not even one single Jewish soldier will be taken from my army to be turned over to Germany. That cannot happen except over my dead body."
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Good one, Mannerheim :)

Also,

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"The complexity of comradeship with the Germans became a serious problem only after the wars, when the extent of the Holocaust was revealed. First of all, the Norwegian Jews who had suffered most during the Nazi occupation questioned the policy of the Jews in Finland. I consider that two reactions to these questions illustrate the views of the Jews in Finland quite well. A former Jewish member of the women's voluntary defence services (lotta) told me: "We were very surprised because of these questions. We were proud that we were also accepted to join the other Finns." Another reaction was: an association called the Jewish War Veterans in Finland was founded in Helsinki in 1981 During the first year of the association's activity, 84 members, more than 10 per cent of the members present in the Community, joined the association. It is self-evident that this is a most valid piece of evidence in favour of the exceptional, independent nature of the war which Finland waged on the side of Germany."
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There is one single incident in which 27 people were arrested including 7 or 8 jews. They were sent to Estonia, which was under German occupation. Sadly, all jews ended up in Auschwitz, and only one survived. However, this was not systematic, only a one time incident, that could have been arranged by basically one corrupted state policeman.


Peace out