ARS might go back on the blacklist...
 

I just clicked a link on a gallery to AdultRevenueServices.com. I was cought up in a loop of exit-consoles. If people that click a banner are punished for that by getting slapped around with consoles I think they'll stop clicking banners soon, creating the kind of freeloaders that some people blame the free link-sites for.

Treat customers with respect, that is what made any company money in the history of doing business. Annoying 'em to tears with exit-consoles is NOT the way of making people take out their credit-card

I agree

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ARS is changing stuff way to often that is why people often see stats going up and down. They just can't let their sites alone for more than 24 hours. But they're my main sponsor because they convert best and pay on time. If you ban them, well I don't get stuff listed on the Hun anyway, all my last galleries where denied for "too much advertising", even with just 2-3 textlinks and nothing else on 20 pics gallery. No counter, blindlinks, recips, banners, popups, dialers.

Many times "bad ratio" is mistaken for "too much advertising". A gallery with 10 pics and 3 banners can look cleaner than a gallery with 30 pics and 1 banner...

I have actualy had a few sales from some of their popups. I guess they do work. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Nice to see a ratio of 1:0 for a site.

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I make more money out of nice simple sites Than cluted sites any day , dont give them to many options just seems to gets them confused. thats my too bob .
Bake

Good point, Bake. The surfers have a narrow attention span, they can "take in" but a few options at a time. Heck, I often find meself bewildered and confused when confronted with cluttered pages, which makes me lose interest in them...

The problem I see with this is the long term. People will learn that clicking on banners will kill 'em in consoles. That will definately hurt this business in the long run. There are a few big sponsors used by a lot of people that are doing things like these at the moment. All of 'em are very close to getting blacklisted. At the moment I'm working on a list of good alternatives. I don't want to turn down people without giving 'em a good alternative. There are a few sponsors out there that pay and pay on time and do not slap around surfers.

I agree,

Surfers have been getting away from clicking banners the way it is, they dont need console hell, after they click one, it just makes teh situation worse for all of us.

My first Post!

Hun,

Out of curiosity....What do you consider to be too many exit popups?

Is it the number of consoles that pop or the speed with which the pop over each other?

Thanks.

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To be honest I don't like exit-consoles at all. People click out of the sponsor's page, so they're obviously not interested. They shouldn't get another console pop up on 'em. I don't do too difficult about one console (if it's non-blind and easy to close). I understand people have to make money. It just shouldn't be squized out of customers

Elvismanson

!!! ONE !!!

In the background half size window or less with well thought out impact text.

And its about time people learnt how to stop pop ups repeating as visitors move back and forth in a site.


And another thing, people forget about whats linked off their page, they may get 2 off yours 1 off the next site and 3 off the next page - you have then killed each other off.


When a guy walks into a used car showroom looks around and walks out does the salesman club him over the head and say "get your fucking ass back in here and buy a car"

No, he probably goes to his manager and says "I think maybe we should change the layout of our showroom"


[This message has been edited by Susan (edited 03-30-2001).]

Hun, I agree with you 100% also, I could see maybe one more pop after the initial page closes. I'm sure that after someone closes up the sponsor link, maybe one more might still catch their attention, but after that, it's just a mad fight to keep them all closed up, he he.

You are also right about the long term affect that it could have on sponsors in the future. It'll be just like seeing thumbnailed pics on a site's mainpage, a lot of people are starting to learn that 99.9% of the time, they'll lead to other sites, you'd hate to rub the idea that most banner ads only lead to many extra pops.

I hate unexpected popups with a passion!

i agree with thehun people will actualyl close the popup and if they see more they will be annoyed.. and if the sponsors does that.. it makes us look bad.. i totally agree with thehun.. for my own paysite.. i never considered putting a popup i might will consider putting a banners on botom of the page (to my other programs or something.. but popups = NO WAY

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Poor horny free-loading sonabitch tgp surfer, poor poor surfer. How dare he get hit with more than one pop-up whilst surfing with his cock in his hand. Now he has to release his cock-grip to use both hands and hit Alt-F4. The travesty of it all!

haha i can actually click alt and f4 with 1 hand ¨g )

"The problem I see with this
is the long term"

That made me laugh http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
In the short term lets just flood net with free hardcore porn.Build more galleries with more pics and submit them to every TGP on the web.That is gonna help us in the long term

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pimp

You are a very smart guy - I am impressed

hey thehun i just noticed something..

"might go back to blacklist"

so u are saying they were on your blacklist before?

ARS - Bestsexhost made alot of blacklists while they were rebuilding their free servers system. It had a lot of problems with mirroring and 404's. Probably still on a lot of them.

I'm hearing ya pimp..i feel soo sorry for the poor surfer...hundreds of clean galleries full of free porn hosted at our expense, how dare our sponsor throw them a popup, two sites on from the Huns page itself. Hell, we might even make some dollars. Its time to get out of the TGP game when we are told what sponsors we can or cannot use.

I agree with the hun for pop-ups... but not on his advertising bs. We can't advertise good on thehun.com and we pay the pics/bandwitdh... now we will not be able to pick our sponsors? Gimme a break. I don't mind if ARS is banned, but I mind when someone tells me that 2 big banners on 15 pics is "too much advertising".

i agree too

its pop ups forever

We already have the ability to turn off Java in our browsers but what about smart code recognition, its being talked about and if implemented will allow you switch out the code that pops windows. This is nothing like the progs you can get to trap pop ups, this is built into the browser software.

Can you imagine how popular that would be with surfers. Its going to be red hot stuff for whoever does it first.

I agree with Bake on the ads, when I go to a site that has 3 banners before the title, I don't even see what they are. When I make a gallery I "focus" on one sponser - I talk my shit and show a banner of some type.

The Hun doesn't usually list my galleries because I make the center of attention the ad and the pics are like a "by the way, here's some pics..." Which is what I'm trying to do - I make ads with free pictures around them.

It's not like The Hun's saying "IT'S MY INTERNET, DO IT MY WAY OR I'LL RUIN YOU!" If he wants to ban everyone who isn't named Joe, he can. Everybody acts like he's monopolizing everything, and that's not really the case. Sure he has more juice than any other single TGP, but if you disagree with him, move on people.

I agree with the Huns views, but I make money off my galleries the way they are. I don't argue with him, I submit to the guys that list me and know that at any time I can change my layout and get listed on the Yellow Pages.

Also I understand Pimp and the crew being frustrated, but if you really hate the surfers and the state of internet porn, why are you doing this? Nobody's twisting your arm to post galleries are they?

How about offering a pop up killer right before the links for those that even care about the disturbance of pop ups.

A non adult program that I have been using has a terrible problem with pop ups. If anyone has heard of or uses Hitharvester.com , they offer this ad killer right at there log on page..
http://wwwwin.wplus.net/pp/fsc/killad.zip

Im not sure about the company that it comes from because it is a diffrent language then mine when I shortened the url to http://wwwwin.wplus.net/ ,but could possibly be posted freely at sights like thehun that want to control popups.

I dunno.. Anyways.. I havent used that ad killer so I dont know how good it is.. I use naviscop myself..

later..

<a href=http://www.hitharvester.com/referral.asp?ref=AutoLinkPro>HitHarvester link with my ref code</a>



[This message has been edited by MindWaste (edited 03-30-2001).]

speaking of popup-hells... i run my site fairly clean. check it out, i got one little non-bandwidth intensive popup on load to help my top 5 referrers. the other day a site ask for a link exchang and it had 9 exit popups! (i count everything, including javascript-error popups which some of us have to deal with. if you gotta press close on it, i count it as a popup.) anyway... if you check out my site, it's straight-forward, hardly any blind links at all, and people who click off my site, 95% of the time, get to go where they want to...

what my problem is, why send my good producitive traffic to another site that has a popup-hell so they make the money off of MY good surfers? i just don't know what to do about this.

i'm thinking about banning every site that has any popup at all. but i don't know if i have the power to still make any money doing that. are there enough non-popup sites out there to link to? the only alternative is for my to join hq's daily nude into popup-hell so i'm not giving out money i could make myself.

one idea i had was this: intice everyone to create an index2.html that has no popups at all. webmasters can code their site so that all popups are disabled when visiting via index2.html. it's not very hard to do this.

i'm starting to get annoyed at how 'my' scene is turning into shit... but i can only survive by linking to other sites so i can't just drop my links.

actually, right now i'm as fair as fair can get. my site gives a text link to every single last referrer on my site. even if you only send 1 hit you get listed. i'm starting to believe that being fair (to webmasters and to surfers) is not the way to make money and succeed.

anyone relate to what i'm saying??

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Traffic Trade?
http://www.hqdailynude.com/webmasters.html


[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 03-30-2001).]

Well, it was a matter of time before someone would made the post Rose did, wasn't it. Ok, here we go again. Link-site traffic is NOT freeloader traffic. Some numbers: I have 1,300,000 unique visitors on my main page according to WebSideStory. On a daily base I send 75,000 clicks on the banners on my site. Note that I do not allow blind banners. That is one in 17 visitors clicking banners. And that's a fucking lot of clicks. Link-sites don't take away business from the pay-sites, that's bullshit. I started the Yellow Pages 8 years ago with more than half the daily links going to previews of paysites. That's when the paysites started submitting their preview areas. And that's when affiliate programs came so other people started building the paysites preview areas. A free gallery can NEVER come up to the quality of a paysite. I haven't seen free sites with live cams, one on one chats, big quality movies, huge series of very fine quality pictures. I have seen those things on paysites. And that's all the paysite owners need to bring across. On my front page it says: "Paysites offer quality that a free site can never give simply because bandwidth is pretty pricy". I don't take away business from paysites. In fact, I think I make a lot of money for the paysites. Directly through my front page and indirectly with the traffic sent to the 80 galleries listed every day.

Any business, wether it's adult, non-adult or even non-internet, will make the most money if people are treated with respect. Killing 'em in blind adds and consoles is not respecting people.

Mindwaste... I think those programs also kill the banner-adds. And I don't think that's good for business either ;-)

X-web, ARS was one of the first to use entrapment, meaning that once people clicking on a banner they couldn't click "back" to where they came from. That caused them to go on the blacklist a while back. They stopped doing that and they dropped me an e-mail, so I gladly unblacklisted 'em of course. They pay on time and that's worth a lot. I do believe they're a good sponsor program covering almost every niche out there, I just don't agree with the consoles they pop up.

The Hun, you get 5% to 6% click-thru. that's really amazing for a tgp (from what i've seen)...

more and more i am starting to think like the hun. read my previous post in this same thread, it basically explains what i've been thinking.

what sucks is that i can start popping up my dailer with entrace and exit popups and double my income just like that. i hate popups. i wish they didn't fucking work.

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http://www.hqdailynude.com/

Traffic Trade?
http://www.hqdailynude.com/webmasters.html

[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 03-31-2001).]

The Hun,

wouldn't it be nice to have the new browsers come out with javascript/popup/status-bar-manipulateion/etc. disable? also, they should be disable by default.

funny how IE is the only program i use that does things i don't want to do. it's like opening up ms word to write a document and having ms excel popup on exit...

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http://www.hqdailynude.com/

Traffic Trade?
http://www.hqdailynude.com/webmasters.html

[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 03-31-2001).]

Anytime anyone starts talking about TGP's they bring up the "ruining the porn biz for all of us..." argument. The Hun's right, it's not like they're a new idea. The reason it's harder to make a handful of cash
then it was a couple years back is because there are so many more people trying.

And HQ, you're right - you're probably trading good for bad. The upside of this is the traffic you're getting from the popup sites probably really like your site in comparison. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

There are lots of sites out there running completely clean. Maybe you should make 2 versions of your site, one that trades with clean sites, one that trades with popups. Wolfshade does something kind of like that I believe.

I would more than double my income if I would pop up a dialer console on my site... but for how long? I'm pretty sure people would leave my site and never come back. So a quick hit and run makes me a lot of money, but for a very short period of time. I'd rather go for the long term. And the spin-offs of that are inmense. People know I do honest business. So when I start something like the Hun's Overflow it gets 80-90,000 uniques on the first day. And it stays there. There are many ways of making money on the web. I'm not saying my way is the only right way. But I am saying that screwing the "general public" with consoles and entrapments will start a lot of bad talk about the adult industry (that's already happening).

Link-site traffic is NOT freeloader traffic

I agree with you Hun, but your site is not
link site but TGP or you started linking
to warning pages? I didnt think so, that would be too hard for your surfers to actually LOOK FOR free content.

BTW Hun you started long time ago yes
You started linking to peoples Image directories.Which is same shit like hotlinking.Back in 97 I was one of those.
You linked to my image directory,stole my bandwith,I paid for that not you.I was newbie back then, didnt know much.
So someone who started by stealing from others shouldnt talk about Morals on the net

The Hun, good point. how long would the extra cash last after turning your site into a popup-hell?

i haven't been in the game long enough to realize the benefits of bookmark traffic. but i'm going to keep my site(s) clean for the next year? or whatever to see just how well it works.

the only problem now is that i'm only a free site, not a tgp. tgp's have new content each day. the same surfer can enjoy your site 7 days of the week. free sites do not have that amount of content flowing in each day and thus there's not as much incentive to bookmark them.

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http://www.hqdailynude.com/

Traffic Trade?
http://www.hqdailynude.com/webmasters.html

Free Content?
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[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 03-31-2001).]

HHHmmm who makes more money Me or the Hun? I think Ill listen to his wise words when he speaks.
Bake

You might wanna look at the Open Source Project http://www.junkbuster.com

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...When a guy walks into a used car showroom looks around and walks out does the salesman club him over the head and say "get your fucking ass back in here and buy a car"

No, he probably goes to his manager and says "I think maybe we should change the layout of our showroom" ...

But the consumer might also think "These people respect me, the showroom looked nice and clean and I will come back here more often and buy a car in the future because I have no money at this moment, I will even consider telling all my friend about this used car dealer and this nice salesman.

The Hun's Yellow Pages is the local daily magazine where the used car dealer puts out an ad every 3 days. The best thing.... advertising is free when he puts 15 of his used cars in the ad.
These pictures give people a good impression of what he is selling and the ad tells them the way he does business...
60.000 customers in his showroom every 3 days!!! He does not need a salesman!!!
Do you think he cares about the $50 of overhead a day (bandwith/coffee)?
Do you think he might sell a car?
Do you think he will sell cars in the future without any advertising?
Do you think his satisfied customers will come back?

The "funny" way some people spread there word in this thread tells me a lot about the way they do business.
Building a solid company is more than just making money today...

And Rose why are you on this thread? Just for the fun of it? Or can You tell us how you run your business and how it takes good care of its customers and your other business relations.
If you are changing subject here start another thread.