Where did Hun go?

and Hun, is there a way you could put some kind of thehun.net/blacklist/
or something, so we know what sponsors are, and which aren't.... say other than trying to submit?

hey hun, you have 1,000,000 people a day come to your site because its FREE.

Key word there, FREE. Good quality shit, FREE. FREE, FREE, FREE.

I cant stress that enough, FREE. Take you 1,000,000+ users a day, jerk them around a little, give them NO FREE shit, thats a 1,000,000 people that will now HAVE to PAY for porn.

1,000,0000 x $40/month membership is an extra $40,000,000 a month for the industry.

Now I ask you this: How much are YOU making a month?

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Thats my fucking 2 cents.

i dont get it?

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I might not have made it clear.

No free shit = surfers have to PAY.

the hun does the exact opposite of what you say. he doesn't jerk them around and he does give them free shit.



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Kong. So now I'm costing the adult industry 40 mil a month? How many of those people would sign up in the first place. I don't get it. One minute I'm being accused of having totally unproductive traffic, the other I'm being accused of holding back 1,000,000 memberships for the adult industry. Sorry, but things don't work that way.

Granted, My traffic does demand a good approach. Quality mainly. With shitty content and quality you won't make sales, easy as that. So in that matter I might make people smart. I am definately competition to those who build an AVS site with some galleries they found on the web. But I'm not even close to competition to the big paysites.

Just look how much trouble Pete Dogg had to find that gallery. Pete, BTW, I must say that I never saw a gallery like that on a free host. And I definately haven't got a gallery like that submitting over the past 8 years. But it took you a couple of days to find it. Ok, you found it in the end, but show 10 more of these in one place, updated every month, with chats and everything. You won't find it. Or it has a very high level of advertising on it. But this is two threads bound together. Getting confusing.

Bottom line is that I'd like to see sponsors pushing more than just one program. One with consoles, another without. It's getting hard finding good honest sponsors, though I'm working on getting something together. It shouldn't be too hard for a sponsor to build a copy of his regular page that doesn't have the console codes. Problem solved. Especially for sponsors who pay per signup.

Lensman, you're a big paysite, and I'm pretty sure you're reading this thread. How would you feel about a program with consoles and one without. Same stats, same payout, just a different HTML-page where traffic is sent to so people won't see consoles?

Hun, I wasn't really looking for that page I just came upon it. You are right though, that is an extreme, and it does take time to find porn like that.

Most of the free high quality porn isn't in one spot, I'd have to find other galleries other places. Then somewhere else I might find streaming videos.
But you are right they are not all in one place and that is what a pay site can offer.
Most pay sites don't have pics that are that high quality though http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

Here's where you can get tons of streaming video: http://www.bestofsex.net/index02.htm
You have to pay to chat. But that's a skill most of us don't have.
Lots of tgps at their site as well.


Here's my example of free porn, done at it's best: http://www.hotsex.com/samples/

That's where I used to get all my free porn. About 20 pics updated once a week. I never signed up cause I didn't have a credit card then. And now I got more porn than I need, but I'll sign up their one day.

Those pics used to look big when I had a 640x480 resolution. Now they are tiny.

Oh, I think $40 Million is an exaggeration.

Peace,
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he's standing out by his mailbox waiting for his DVD player to arrive. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Hun, I didnt really mean your costing the biz $40 mil a month, but when does the amount of free content offered end? As bw prices go down, whats stopping people from submitting everything for free? Then there is no reason to pay anymore.

And dont take my post as me saying your traffic is not good, I get double the signups per visitor off a listing with you then others. Your defineatly doing something right.

I agree with your no console plan, it might decrease signups a little in the short term, but surfer's are'nt going to click anymore when they learn its a death trap. To the surfer, its like hes being punished for clicking. Hell, I dont even like checking out the tours of paysites before I start promoting them.

Kong

The guy see free porn at The Hun and signup for paid porn. One time I got 12 stiffycash signups (10 first, 2 second day) with The Hun. He offer porn. We are the sellers. If we are good enought or have a lucky day we will sell good signups, if the gallery isn't well designed or it isn't your luck day you wont have any signups. So The Hun help us to sell memberships offering "free porn".

He's like a free magazine. We send the artciles to him, but with embed ads.

You can't get too much month-to-month advertising with PAID services, but you can with free. If the visitor likes the article, he'll buy something described there.

Jer

if it has to become all free, than be it?

take radio, newspapers, etc..

you have it all for free... yet, they're making money out of it... what's wrong with that?

Hun,

I can't speak for most sponsors...only for myself...I have deals running with other pay sites and free sites where I have removed the exit chain from the site...or limited it to one or two pop ups in the exit chain.

If it is the difference between getting good quality traffic from a WM by us taking off the exit chain, or not getting the traffic at all...it is a bit of a no-brainer.

To get the exit chain removed all someone has to do is ask.

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if ars makes money for the webmasters and for themselves who gives a fuck how they do it. there's not a paysite out there who doesn't bounce around their traffic to try to make a residual sale. I don't think blacklisting ars is going to change anything about paysites using consoles. the huns sponsors may not have consoles, but the huns sponsors suck and unless you have 3 million uniques a day (like the hun) your not gonna get someone to sign up for Teen Bosnia. Who in their right mind would trust a Bosnian with their VISA #?

The bottom line is like Elvis says: make money period.

Hun
About 1-1/2 to 2 years ago (AceP)I beleve we talked about this. SO HERE GOES:

Webmasters such as myself do not have prepaid click throughs to make our money. We have to use per sign-up or click thrus, etc. That means for us to make money we have to use sponsors that work hard for our traffic. When dealing with TGP traffic this is even more important! Personally I hope ARS and join4free, etc do not change their ways for it would hurt thousands of webmasters to only benifit you.

I mean I don't really care what you do with your site.. after all its your site. However since I'm not a regular TGP poster I can point things out to you honestly and leave out the kiss ASS. In short, when you do this you hurt the people that make your site what it is. Its not the surfers who make your web site what it is, its the webmasters.

-Ace
Wolfsporn.com

I don't know what's with these TGP guys, they all seem to be in a battle to give people the most amount of free porn for the least amount of advertising.

First they don't allow ANY pop consoles.

Then they allow only ONE banner per gallery.

And worste of all, they stop allowing freeservers so you have to pay out of your fucking ass for a shitty virtual account on an overloaded web server that charges you 100 dollars extra a month because the hun sent you 12gb of traffic and you only made two signups and you gotta pay those fuckers two bucks a gig.

Your fucking lucky if you find a sponsor that actually converts. The ones that don't convert are a dime a dozen and they waste everyone's time.

My point is we are here to make money. We're not here to give fucking surfers endless free pictures. There are 16 minutes of advertising for every hour of television. But on your page there are 20 pictures of girls for ever 1 piece of advertising.

The Hun: 1:16

Television: 1:3.75

Who do you think knows better what's the right amount of advertising? The Hun or decades of television research?

Ultimately he just makes less money for everyone including himself.

Being a good salesman on the net you have to constantly have the surfer looking at advertising. We're not here to give people free pics. We're here to sell memberships to paysites. How are you going to get signups if you don't allow a decent amount of advertising. Surfer has to have to that advertising in his face ALWAYS.

As long as a site is navigable and quick to load i don't see why it matters how much advertising is there. The advertising is just as dirty as the thumbs.



[This message has been edited by sweetjimmy (edited 04-18-2001).]

I agree with sweetjimmy.
Well said man.

Indeed SweetJimmy... the first sensible post I heard from you. Good points. And you're right about some things. But not about all. First of all I don't allow just one banner. I do link free hosts. And I do link to a lot of ads. And I do turn over a shitload of money on the web. We're here to make sales, you're right about that. But we're not here to fuck people over.

Marketing should be finding out who your customers are and how to earn money from 'em. It's not about finding out where they are and blantly taking their money. If you read my posts right I'm NOT AGAINST ADVERTISING. I'm against too agressive ways of advertising, that's a whole different story Jimmy...

Just read this amazing thread, and couldn't help commenting eventhough this is my first post it's pretty long!
I think it's ok to blacklist certain overaggresive sponsors, no prob, but, hun, if you were conseqeunt and really meant it you should stop posting freehosted galleries as should everybody! imo they are causing some paysites to make aggresive ads. not posting them would hopefully bring them out of biz asap! Here is why they should be avoided:
The problem is not the free porn, from mpow you can give away as much as you want, as long as you'd have to pay your bandwithbill
The grand problem is the free hosts. And I don't mean the usual 20 pix tgp-galleries, I can live with that. But the smart poor webmaster makes a megasite with 100's of stolen high quality pics, put a few ct-sponsors and one e-mail proggie on it announce it on a few of those annoying boards we all know bianca, e-groups, trianca and so on. whoops 50.000 hits a day, just like that. Ok, the income might be miserable related to the many visitors, but let's say it's 300 bucks a month. For a student that's a lot of money for doing nothing, and if he get canned, well, wtf, worth the try, sign up another place and here we go again.
Take a look at these scumbag boards and you'll find single sites containing 100's of 150 k pics from ddgirls, amk, earl miller, foxes, matrix and so on. And the problem is not the scumbag boards, the problem is it is soooo easy finding free hosts to serve the stolen pics.
Another example: I saw a post on awi a few months ago, and I don't think it was ironic, the guy was happy, he'd made 9 bucks harvesting e-mails, and had 50.000 visitors to his gallery. He'd posted the link, and I took a look, 50 100 k pics from ounique, probably stolen, and on a free host. Let's say he'd actually have to pay the bandwith for that 5 mb gallery - 10 gigs (that's very low estimated) at 2.50 - 25 bucks, now he would be down 16 bucks and he would use his brain just a little before posting the next time!
One last example related to the hun and free hosts and my own experience: a few months back I got a 5'th placement on the hun and made 25+ sign ups on the gallery (paid host), great, a few weeks later I got a 3'rd placement with the same template and same sponsor, I made 4 sign ups. Ok, fluctuations, date and so on plays a role, but the funny thing was that the guy that had the 2'nd placement had a framed gallery (on a free host of course) with links to 25 other clean galleries, that made a total of 600 hasslefree pics, and those pics were good, and all he did was harvesting e-mails. If he'd have to pay the bandwith for that he'd be down at least 50-100 bucks and would never do it again. But my own theory on the huge difference in my sign ups between those two galleries goes like this: the surfer looks at that 600+ pic gallery, then he opens the next link, mine, wtf, that mean bastard is only giving me 20 compressed pics, outta here, maybe the next link, will take me to another 600 good free pics, why should I sign up to a paysite!

Another huge problem is paysites and contentproviders, that simply does not enough when they face copyright infringements, every webmaster knows that all what happens, when they post stolen pics is an e-mail notification, that tells them to take down the pics immidiatly, and if they do that nothing happens - I've always paid for content myself, and I don't care what others do - but I simply don't get those paysites and contentproviders - going through those boards and some tgp's you can be pretty sure you won't find stolen pics from playboy, als-scan and suze randall, because everybody posting with just two braincells intact know they'll get a heavy lawsuit immidiately if they're discovered. But other than that everyting appearently goes! what has this to do with the freehosts, well, I'm pretty sure 97 % of the stolen pics are on free hosts!

Looking at the free hosts own ads you can see that they get more and more dirty, most take up half the screen for advertising, and their advertisement methods are imo just as bad for the business if not worse than those pop ups and traps, that annoys thehun so much. Links to disguised dialers and socalled free passwords sites is dominating. They don't have the guts to tell the surfer that they have to pay to get inside a quality paysite, or that they are actually downloading a fucking expensive dialer.
So let's get rid of those freehosts, and have paysites and content providers getting more aggresive facing copyright-infringements, and I'm sure there would be no need for paysites to make pop up hells and being overaggresive in advertising, cause every surfer would know that he'd had to pay to get a satisfying amount of good quality porn!

so, hun, be an example and be consequent, stop posting free hosted galleries http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

ha! I know this is utopia, and not exactly popular, just couldn't help posting it here!

http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Sasja

"A warning: read the small print. If you install a program you downloaded, read ALL the small print. Don't just click 'ok' without reading what you're approving of. It might be a dialer program that charges $7.99/min when you use it... Be warned!"

what is that on your front page?

I realize it's your page and you can do as you like. I can understand not listing galleries with dialers, not allowing dialer companies to advertise with you etc.

Yes, I run a dialer company, that is one of my businesses. You are against dialers. That is cool with me as well.

Are you now going to make a list of things that the surfer should stay away from according to the Hun?

Sufers beware:

The list below consists of things I do not like and that you the surfer should stay away from, truly yours, the hun:

Never click on a pop up.
Never use a dialer.
Never believe anything you see until you hear it from me.

Are you going to make a book called "Things to stay away from on the Internet according to the Hun"?

Run your site the way you like, but why inform YOUR surfers about things that don't have anything to do with YOUR pages like the dialer?

Since when did you become the town crier?

Also, you have a pink4free banner in your rotation on your front page and when I click on it, I get a shitload of blind movie images that all link to dialers, then I scroll a bit to find the pink4free content.

You're against them and tell your surfers to stay away from them which I think is wrong, but then you advertise them? I don't get it.


[This message has been edited by Brian (edited 04-19-2001).]

Good points sasja.
The one good thing about free hosts however is they allow you a chance to learn without losing a bundle of money.


Here's more free porn:
Example 1: Acceptable free porn http://206.58.131.2/index1.shtml?API...SITEID=dante22
This site teases you, you can chat with the girls, but they only do nasty stuff if you pay and when someone pays the image gets so small no one could get off.

Example 2: Bad for the biz. http://movies.amsterdamlivexxx.com/index.cfm?movies
If you can't blow your load to this, then you have a problem. There is so much free streaming porn here. And paysites generally do not offer higher quality feeds then the ones you see here.


Peace,
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[The one good thing about free hosts however is they allow you a chance to learn without losing a bundle of money.

yeah, I did my first galleries on free hosts too (double moral, maybe) and as I said I don't mind those 20 pix galleries on tgp's, it's the heavy 100-1000 pics sites (with noncompressed 100-200 k pics) that pisses me off, and there's a freakin' lot of em outthere, and with search engines putting more and more relevancy on link popularity, and since those sites are heavyli linked to, they are sooooo easy to find even for a newbie! Just try a few popular searches and you'll see those sites pop up on page 2 or 3!!
http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif S

Hun you are too damn polite, you and wolfshade. I guess it must be all the milkmaids and windmills and shit you got over there. I'm gonna stop razzing you from now on. I just do it to bother the brown nosers more than to bother you.

It's true you do have the Amsterdam of the internet, and it is YOUR webpage. It's true. That's why you shouldn't tell webmasters what to do with THEIR webpage. They're in a tight spot trying to pay bandwidth bills and don't need to have their best sponsors blacklisted. ARS uses just as many pop ups as Amateur Pages and you us e amateur pages yourself.


As for free hosts with 1000's of pics they are usually slow as fuck because the server can't handle the downloads. I don't think they're real competition. Remember time is equivalent to money.

ARS has so many niches its a good sponsor.

it is? Ill give em a try.

I joined Ars a week ago. So far the conversion ratios suck! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/mad.gif

ARS has pretty much all niches, they're a great sponsor... We're getting to a compromise I'm sure...

Amateurpages doesn't have an andress loop of exit-consoles BTW. They do have more than one, but there's a difference in fighting something I don't like and just being a stubborn ass...

Brian... just pointing out to READ THE DISCLAIMER. I head all people that are in favor of dialers that it says in the disclaimer what it costs. So from that point of view no dialer company should have any problem with me pointing out what they already claim to point out to people so clearly. I encourage people to sign up for sites. I always have been endorsing the quality of most paysites. But I don't endorse not encourage people to let themselves be ripped off

Ars might suck for mainstream surfers but if you for the odd gay surfer or surfer who's into freaky shit I think they're good. I wouldn't use them for anything mainstream though.

i still haven't been cut throat enough to use dialers on my site. I know dialers are a complete ripoff and not just a dissappointment like some paysites.

Ok just realized that you probably couldn't see the second example on my last post.

So go to this page: http://www.viper-x.com/livefeed.htm
And Click on Live 4.


Peace,
The Free Porn Finding King http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

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This is true jimmy.........Nice words

Hun,

I do agree that some of the dialer prices are way too high for the surfers. I do know of a few good people working on that. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Do you also list other sponsor program's flaws on your site? Like hidden or hard-to-find recurring charges on pay sites?

You're not saying that some pay-sites don't screw the surfer by trickery and crooked sales tatics are ya?

I'm not tryin to harp, just seein what I can pick out of your brain. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Brian, I did have a thing on that a while back indeed... but the dialers are a little less obvious. With creditcards people have to fill in things. They're kind of alert already when doing that. A lot of people install and run dialers without knowing what they're doing. I still see a lot of dialers that use terms like "download this free program"... I don't think that's good business..

Look, I'm not saying all advertising is bad. I'm not warning people to stay away from sponsors. I'm telling people to be alert. And if paysites are running an honest business they shouldn't have any problems with an alert visitor...

pete dog said "So go to this page: http://www.viper-x.com/livefeed.htm
And Click on Live 4."

well, amsterdamn xxx doesnt officially want that to be free, take a look at this exerpt from their signup email

Interclimax "You must use the links below in the URL you specified as your members area."

Additionally, I had to provide a url from which the links should originate and a login/pass to the members area of my site.
"to ensure they are behind a password or adult protected site..."

Just thought I'd clear that up about the amsterdam feeds.

As far as the cen link you posted Is that also meant for members and geared for upsells also or is it intended to be totally free?

btw Im alias
nice to meet u all, Go FUCK Y0`SELf

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[This message has been edited by alias (edited 04-22-2001).]

Thanks for the info Alias. Can you post the url where I can read about those feeds?

Peace,
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http://interclimax.com/
there are specific terms but the feed that was being used on the viperx site is supposed to be in a members area.

their free feeds are here http://interclimax.com/promo.cfm

All we need is a browser feature that turns off opening new windows automatically -- I usually surf w/ javascript turned off because I hate mouseovers and popup windows... I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the different javascript functions can be disabled -- I know some browsers like Opera let you disable javascript referrer info and wow I just found an option "allow documents to create windows" -- anyway Opera is a very tight browser -- I highly recommend it.

As for exit consoles -- i think most surfers know how to deal w/ them -- it's nothing new, but the infinite loop ones are real dangerous -- I sometimes I got hate mail when a surfer followed a link (and got tricked by a freehost redirect) and got trapped in an endless loop of exit consoles -- then their computer crashed and windows died and they supposedly had to reinstall windows. This sounds impossible and stupid, but I've heard of this on more than one occasion. Also it used to be easy to stop an exit console -- just press escape -- but now the computers are faster, the connections are quicker -- MSIE can open windows fucking faster than you can close them ;)

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You'd be susprised how few people even know ALT-F4 closes a window... so when a full screen console pops up they're just trapped in it. I get many reports from people that have to reset their machine to get out (simply 'cause they don't know ow to get out of the consoles otherwise)...

i have the speed problem - 512k cable modem and a 600mHz chip = more pop-ups than i can catch by hitting keys!
Actually, i might just go and check my sites' banners and see which of my sponsors give pop-up hell...

Well, I must say I was shocked to find out Hun is not excepting ARS anymore. I have been submitting galleries every 4 days and have been waiting and wondering why I have not been getting listed. So I try to make a differant gallery and submit again, which now I find out has been a waste of my time. I am a single mom ,new at this business and at this point in my life I can not afford to pay for hosting. I plan on staying in this for the long haul but I need my free hosting to get me started until I learn more and would be able to make enough money to cover the bandwidth.
I don't feel that ARS has to many consoles, when I get my linking code I check to make sure it has the 1 tiny pop up that stays in the back and the 1 exit console that has a list of other ARS niches and that's it.
I am VERY grateful of the times I got listed on The Hun, it was the ONLY time I ever got any signups, which equaled to a grand total of $700 for this year. Defiantly not enough money to pay for bandwidth.
I try to make good, clean galleries, and I do pay for my content, or get it from a friend that has leant me some of his paid for content.
Until I get better with HTML and learning what is the best selling niches ( which is always changing) I feel I NEED free hosting and I NEED to be able to get listed on places like The Hun.
I hope this can get resolved soon.