Rose, might indeed be a good idea to spend the day that way. Summertime was here last week indeed. And if you pay the sushi I might consider coming to Amsterdam after all ;-)

But anyway, this discussion was about the consoles. I'm pretty sure this thread will eventually make it to the sponsors in question. I hope there'll be a reaction...

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But the high quality will still be limited to paysites simply 'cause bandwidth is unaffordable for high quality with no access fee.

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I think the free hosting services take care of the bandwidth bill.

I have to agree on the too much free stuff part, it is taking away that tease trap. Much of the free stuff is provided by pay sites or content providers supported by paysites so maybe in the end it will regulate itself. Has anyone else noticed the very cheap content coming from the East, thats not helping either. I have a contact in Russia who will give me red hot hardcore at 25c/pic.

I personaly don't think Console Hell is the way to go...but neither is 100% surfer friendly free porn. There has got to be a middle ground.

As a web newbie, I surfed around looking for free porn. I quickly learned not to click on banners because of the never ending popups. I eventuallly discovered which sites offered content, and which were payprograms. I found free porn...but never enough to rock my world. The lack of quality and content led me to an AVS membership.

All was good untill I discovered the TGP's Hundreds of galleries of new daily free porn! I can truthfully say that I never used my AVS key again.

Now dont get me wrong, Im not trying to say that all surfers act in the same manner as I.
I just feel there needs to be middle ground based on the two extremes. Console Hell may catch a few people...but shun many away from ever clicking on a banner again. I no longer use banners on my sites, or on my galleries...they just don't convert very well.

I also agree that there is way too much free porn out there. I dont necessarily think it's the fault of the TGP's, but of the webmasters submiting the galleries. 99% of the galleries out there leave nothing to the imagination. They show everything the surfer wants. If the surfer can get off for free, he's not going to pay for more.

I agree with Susan about the free hosts...the free hosts take care of badwidth problem, so the quality of material availble for free is amazing.

I run a movie post site. Most movie sites are extremely clean...and IMO make it way to easy to get free movies (they are all hosted on Yahoo, so badwith is not an issue either). Im constantly debating with other webmasters about the meaning of "Quality Traffic" Is quality traffic the surfer sent to you who wants noting more than to download your free content? Or is "Quality Traffic" a surfer sent to you who buys into a sponsor?
How can you distinguish between the two? I really dont think you can. So that's why there has got to be a middle ground between "Fuck the Surfer" and "Give the Surfer Everything For Free" A little less consoles, and a little less free porn. Would do us all good.

Maybee "Give the surfer everything for free...then Fuck'em!" HaHaHa http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

We don't care to use consoles either but may add one here and there to see how they do.

And wait a sec.... you host adult movies thru a YAHOO acct?????????

Planning on doing a tour of all our programs soon to see who is being ridiculous with consoles. Maybe we should all post the results so that we can band together and tell the programs to calm it down or we quit using them. And we need to try and do something about the content sponsors provide us with too. If *all* they supply us with is pure hardcore, what else can we do to promote them but use it? TGPs surely won't post the gals with stars on them either even tho it will probably end up going to that whether they like it or not...

Exxxotica
Well said http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
That's what I was saying.All the surfer need is to bookmark 3 or 4 big Gallery posts
and Movie Posts and he never needs to pay for porn.He has more than he ever needs.
And if he pulls CC than he is braindead
or doesnt care about money.4 big TGP's
80 galleries ,20 pics or movies on each gallery,that's about 6 400 free daily pictures,mostly hardcore, 198 400 new pictures and movies every month.Do you really think he
needs more ?

First of all I'd like to commend all you kids on your excellent essays. Here's a couple smiley faces for you: http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Second of all, I'm sorry Hun I shouldn't compare you to a dictator because your more like a Senator, Senator Joseph McCarthy in fact. I wish you luck in hunting down those pinko pop up sponsors and putting them on your blacklist.

But you do dictate who gets linked to your website and you do dictate what sponsors your webmaster peasantry can use on their galleries. Personally I don't like big TGP's that place all these demands on webmasters who are dependant on them doling out the ol' bread ration. If ARS is not an acceptable banner for your webmasters to display then what's next? Amateur Pages? They got pop ups why not blacklist them? Pretty soon the only advertising these poor bastards can use is not what makes them money but what fits into you agenda.

You can do what you want. The internet is all about freedom and its not your fault alot of numbnut webmasters depend on you. But don't forget you depend on the webmasters. Your site has no content of its own its just a list of links. You create nothing. The only thing you have to do is copy and paste a couple links everyday. You should be grateful to your proletariat masses and give them some fair warning about the new laws you pass down. At least a couple of months in advance since thats how long it takes you to list their galleries.

I thought you were dead anyway. Did you have a clone cryogenically frozen and revived to take your place?

LOL Thunder. "user sweetjimmy" thats classic.
I think you've watched Tron one too many times. And calling people who post pictures of other people urinating on each other businessmen is even funnier.

If think you should sign your posts with "end transmission"

Well, since the original discussion was sponsors with pop-ups, I thought I'd throw in something that Adult Mega Cash does, a sponsor I use.

They currently have 3 different ways you can trade traffic, one is a link that gives you several pop-ups, yet they return different traffic to you.

Another is one that pops only one pop-up that lists all their sites,

The third option is one that has no pop-ups at all.

Maybe I lose sales, but I link to them using either the no pop-ups or the 1 consol tour. I like the fact they have that option. Do any of the sponsors do that?

Adult Mega Cash

In case you are wondering.

And I'm still new, but I hate pop-ups too. I think I have one dirty site that is on my link list that has one, but none of my other sites do.

My .02 worth.

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Exxotica, well said.


I think free porn should be used to lure people into paying.


I agree with Hun when he says if there were no free porn, then search engine traffic would be the only thing that paysites use to get customers.

Hun, I also agree that the sponsor shouldn't trap you with exit consoles. I also think the sponsor site themselves should offer some sample free pictures, most don't offer any content so you have no idea what's inside.

Hun, what I don't get is what is your definition of a hiqh quality picture?
I mean how more high quality can these photos get?
I already have to scroll to see the full image.
I'm using a 1024x768 resolution and the free pics are huge.
I don't understand how higher the quality of photos can get?
Are the pay sites supposed to offer 500K images?

Peace,
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My final word.

I hate popup nightmares but think about this.

You have 3 pay sites with varying teen content, a visitor goes to site 1 and leaves because he don't like what he sees. Ok you could put links to your other sites but he may not see them. Place your other 2 sites on a very small popup sitting in the backgroung and hey presto he makes a visit to site number 2.

I do exactly this in a 200x200 pop up - why 200x200 , because the annoyance factor is low and the curiosity factor high.

I have tried bigger windows and they don't work half as well. Also, you only get the window once, a cookie takes care of repeats.

This thread is very interesting and I had to post my opinion about it.

First of all let me say that I think TheHun has the right to do whatever he wants on his site, he wants to ban a freehost or a sponsor, that is his business and everyone should respect that. Even though I respect TheHun's choice to band ARS, I however strongly disagree with his motivations.

TheHun claims that ARS and other sites using chain consoles are giving the adult industry a bad name and that consoles are killing the economy and so on. In my opinion, this is not true. The reason why ARS, cyber erotica, cen and most big sponsors added exit consoles is because they had to in order to generate enough sales to keep the business rolling. Convertion rates and recurrings have been dropping and the huge competition is one of the reason why as TheHun says, but the main is reason is , sorry to say that, but TheHun himself.

His site is freeloaders heaven, hardcore, mature, teen,lesbian, voyeur, amateur, black, inter -race and even bestiality (sad but true) pics and videos are available for free! Very easy to navigate and a huge archive is available of everything freeloaders have always wanted which in my personal opinion makes it the hugest, cleanest and most nuisable adulte site in the porn business. In some some way , TheHun is the Napster of porn.

TheHun claims that his site is not as good as a paysite and that he's basically just a link site helping others. These 2 statements are false. There are more pics and videos on his site than needed to satisfy a big majority of free loaders on the net. And on top of that there is barely advertising on TheHun or in the galleries he lists. Most banners used on the site and on galleries are old regular banners which pull the less. Even pay sites are almost harder to surf than the hun, just sign up for a big pay site and you will see a directory of links to content packages with ads and stuff.

Link sites are good for the industry, but TheHun isnt one. If you look at Tommys-Bookmarks, you will see big ads, blind links in a good manner, enter pages with ads, top referer lists, link trades and free previews on many sites...This is perfect and thats how it should be. PersianKitty is also an awesome site and so many others. There is a very big difference between a link site and TheHun.

Free porn is good and will always be there? I agree with TheHun on this but again there is a big difference between offering a sample and giving away everything for free without any hassle. Everyone knows the company Tide which sells products to wash your clothes?. They sent me a sample of their product by mail a long time ago, my girfriend tried it and liked it. We remember the brand name and it was good avertising. But lets say Tide would start to send me a sample every week forever? Do you think I would actually pay for the product? Or maybe pay for another laundry detergent jsut because it might be a littlle better? And how others companies could sell their laundry detergent if Tide gives everything away for free? Sure Tide would get a huge exposure, lots of friends etc..and would probably still be able to make money with a the publicity you know. But wouldnt it affect the whole industry of laundry detergents? You dont think its a good example? Then how about someone open a sex shop with a free section that offers everything people need, but with also a pay section with some more cool stuff, sure some people would pay but most people would just get their freebies(actually everything being sold in other sex shops) and leave. The whole sex shop industry would be in big trouble dont you think? What I'm trying to say here is that the "new" industry(internet) and the old industry are basically the same. If you want to sell something don't give it for free. The only big difference is that on the net, you can give people free stuff without having to actually pay for this stuff. Tide or sex shops cant do that. No wonder why NASDAQ shows such low numbers. Everyone on the net is giving everything for free causing real companies to go bankcrupcy because they cant sell anything anymore.

The fact is that the more porn the surfers will get, the more greedy they will get, the more they will get used to the fact that they dont really have to pay to get what they want. This is business logic and I dont have anything personal against anyone.

Sorry about the long post http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif Apparently I had a lot to say about this http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif




[This message has been edited by nickd (edited 04-01-2001).]

Amen "nickd"

As a surfer or webmaster:
-I hate never ending consoles!
-I hate too many consoles!
-I hate the console that auto enlarge to fit the window size even it's only one console!
-One console with no other console is perfect. Two consoles and one of it should be shocked is good! Case is.. if surfers visit a mature site then when they close the page one console whose links point to rotten.com http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif shown up they will be shocked and start to give more attention to another consoles.


I don't like to push someone to follow my way! If they like the way they are doing now with their own site, fine! Debate is good but when it comes to push webmaster what to do with their own site that's unacceptable! If you agree with the hun then stick with his rules but if you don't... just keep away, as simple as that!!!

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I think the problem for a lot of people is that they think too short term, I have been involved in our industry for a few years, have seen many sites come and go, have been involved in fascinating projects and have built a lot of galleries, I know the value of thehun, have always profited greately from his traffic and have never complained about the bandwidth because it is very worth it if you know how to design a good gallery(one that makes money).
So my advice is to think long term and customer satisfacion has to be a priority in that context. that's my two cents, not many of you know me cause I keep to myself unless I feel strongly about something or I have to hear myself http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

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NickD. Then please explain to me the 75,000 banner clicks a day and the recurring banner advertisers we get every month? Sorry, but I have the numbers to show you you're wrong. The post right above this another example.

It's not as if my site took away any business from the paysites. Sure, I have a big chunk of the market come to my page, but how many of those people would sign up for a paysite? Most are afraid to even grab their card 'cause it is sometimes impossible to cancel memberships. And some don't want to pay 'cause of the credit card bill they get which is highly reviewed by the Mrs. Others simply can't spare 30 bucks a month to view porn.

And how is a paysite better? Niche for one. I link to various content. Low quality pics, high quality pics, but 300 picture series that I've seen in paysites have never appeared on my site. I just don't get them submitted.

As for Jimmy, please don't tell me how to run my site. YOU are the one trying to dictate someone what to do here, not me. I ONLY ban people from MY site. It's THE HUN's yellow pages, and THE HUN is me. Simple as that. I make the rules for my page, not you. I don't set a lot of rules, but I do refuse to list some advertising tactics out there. If people don't agree with that they don't have to. They are not forced to submit to me. Neither am I a public service that everybody should be able to use. I run a business and I run that business my way. And it has been very successful as well. Calling someone a dictator just 'cause he made rules ON HIS OWN SITE is just plain stupid and ignorant.

But again, BTW, this thread was about advertising tactics, not about how bad I am for this industry. Consoles, entrapment, blind links, nothing seems worse enough to show people some adds...

Granted, consoles make sales. Someone here said 30% of his sales came from consoles. That means they do make money. But think one step further. What would create a more satisfied customer? One that signed up out of frustration or one that signed up 'cause he liked the site and 'cause it offered the niche he's interested in? EVERY paysite knows that the most money is in the recurred billing. How do you do that? Give people what they want. I'm friends with the people from Club Seventeen, a big paysite. They make 70% of their money on recurring members. So even paysites know it's pleasing people and giving them what they want what will make 'em stick in the end. Club Seventeen is niche. They give away a lot of content, but on their site it's nicely put together. Stories with it, a preview of what's going to be on next month, movies, life chat, no adds, big series. All with one central topic: teens. Good luck finding the same quality on ANY free link-site, even if you visit them all...

But now even I go off subject again. Bottom line is that in my eyes honest advertising will give people more recurring traffic and will keep a surfer clicking banners. And that's still how money is made on the web.

Who let the dogs out? Woof..Woof...Woof!

You didn't answer my question, is that you or your cryogenically frozen clone?

Ok I did some research.
I installed Opera.
They have a feature (File, Preferences, Windows) which deactivates a sites ability to open new windows.

This means. No window.open, no targeting of new windows and even if you right click a link and say open in a new window it still opens in the same window.

This feature is too broad, if it were more specific then users might flock to opera to get away from Pop Up Hell. But this feature is very immature and might be good a few versions from now. You can however disable automatic redirection. Which is probably meta refreshes and javascript redirections.

There is however a very frightning feature available. You can disable Referrer Logging.
MEANING SITES CAN'T TELL WHO REFERRED YOU.
REFERRAL TRACKING IS THE BASIS FOR MOST FREE SITE LINK TRADES.


Ok this post is not in order. Back to the disabling of new windows from opening.
If someone disables your sites ability to open new windows and you have an entry console. They will just see the entry console.


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"Granted, consoles make sales. Someone here said 30% of his sales came from consoles. That means they do make money. But think one step further. What would create a more satisfied customer? One that signed up out of frustration or one that signed up 'cause he liked the site"
Hun
My opinion on the above ,maybe from
frustration, maybe that's why Top Lists
and CJ sites convert good, because they have NO content.Surfer looking for porn gets frustrated cause there is none so he pull
CC and get all he wants without consoles
on the pay site

Pete Dogg,

I think Opera has it wrong. if you click a link, the ability to have it open in a new window should remain. i actually wish more SEs would open new windows. i suppose no new windows what-so-ever would work as long as back-button manipulation was also disabled... but this hinders my ability to send out 2 hits from my site with the same surfer.

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[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 04-02-2001).]

OK, let's put in my 2 cents a minute http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

1) On a AVS site or paysite I think it's wise to go easy on the pop ups. After all with those type of sites you want members and the only way to get em is if they like to come back. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think many surfers would like to come back to pop up hell http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

2) CJ and free sites are a whole different cup of tea, those type of sites don't go for the "bookmarkers" they go for the fresh meat and squeeze as much out of them as they can.

There's no good or bad in those two types IMHO just a different strategy for a different type of site.

What am I saying with all this?

My point is that when sponsors start using pop up hell it's bad very bad, because most surfers will hate that sponsor so getting members will be harder and harder untill that sponsor goes belly up.

How I think it should work?

I think free sites should blast all the consoles they like, as long as they are their consoles and not from a sponsor. IMHO this will have the oposite effect that the Hun predicts because if anything, it tells the surfer the only good online porn experience is with a paysite, which should make people click banners even more http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

Consoles are great means for webmasters if used correctly http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

On my regular sites you will find a lot of happy surfers(no pop ups there) but on my CJ site whoa! watch them consoles as they make the $$$ on there http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

TGP's

The Hun has pretty special traffic, compared to other TGP's. He's the only TGP owner I submit to with clean pop up free pages. On all other TGP's I send the traffic to a second page with enter and exit pop up, and this for only one reason: 95% of surfers coming from TGP's are experienced surfers that come for the free porn and nothing but the free porn.

It's not a matter of quality like The Hun says that type of surfer will NEVER sign up for anything, and therefor that type of traffic is only suitable to slap around from CJ to CJ site.

Please keep in mind that I would never do this with traffic comming from search engines, linksites or resources like that, but with TGP traffic you bet I will slap them around.

My 2 cents http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by wolfshade (edited 04-02-2001).]

nicely put wolfshade. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Some numbers of last year:

I did a trial in May 2000 with only 3 sponsors in my banner rotation program.
Did my own hosting burning 648 Gig.

I took the stats from May last year to show what renewals can do for your business...

Posting 1 gallery every day and this is what came out:


Sponsor 1, CCbill acc.# 38343: No pop-ups,
13911 unique clicks sent
$27 per sign-up
136 sign-ups, 4 charge-backs, I made $3564,-

Sponsor 2, Payserve acc.# 23162: No pop-ups, $12,50 per sign-up
46765 unique clicks sent
54 sign-ups, no charge-backs, $12,50 for every renewal
I made more out of that one http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif
Still 11 of those sign-ups active!

Sponsor 3, ARS acc.#75187 : Using pop-ups,
21613 unique clicks sent
$35 per sign-up
19 sign-ups, of which 2 from the consoles

Same number of impressions per banner and per sponsor, only using 2 rotating banner spots in the gallery. A different layout every 3 days, pictures matched content of sponsors!
I used 5 different banners per sponsor.

Pop-ups did not realy work for me...and even the highest pay-out did not do any good too!

12clicks wrote:
lightning, this is the same old story now 3 years old. too much content vs too much advertising.
We should all learn where our own happy medium is.

Unbeleivable....
I thought I would never hear anything sensible come from him..

As far as the popups..
I beleive in showing the surfer a certain amount of credit for being smart ...

You think these ppl actually buy memberships to programs that cram tons of windows down thier throats?
You may get a few..but after 5 years..I have learned that they want a good quality reliable site that treats them with some sort of respect..

If they like what they see..and are looking for a program to signup with..then they do just that..but you can have the best content in the world...and lose a membership by pissing them off with too much advertising.

I post some of my own galleries on Library of thumbs..and you know what?
My best signups come from galleries with 10
pics and ONE banner ....Nothing else on the page...
The banner is "on topic" & goes to a program that easily allows them to return if not interested..
They may not buy this time..but will remember
it when they are ready to buy...

ok..thats my nickels worth



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Humbold, I'll have to agree with you http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif it's the first time I see 12clicks say something I'll agree with LOL..


I think nobody can be right or wrong on the subject.... cuz everybody is right if it works for them..

See, I think we DO need Shitty Console Hell sites, we Need Clean Tgps, and we Need Paysites... Free is definately good..


My idea of the perfect equilibrium is this..


you have Joe Surfer, goes arround, comes arround... needs porn. He finds a site named "IhaveFreePics.com" , which, unfortunately, is a Cj site that moves him arround.

The guy gets pissed, but finally comes down to a Clean Tgp, say TheHun, or LibraryofThumbs.

Well, They will surely bookmark those sites to keep on getting free stuff... that's cycle one.

In that cycle, you get the Cj sites benefitting from moving the people arround and beeing paid per exit consoles, and the likes... they're doing Good $$$...

Now, the tgps will see them as bad ethically... but they DO good as I explained earlier...


Now, then we have that Joe surfer that's been looking arround hun's listings, or Humb's listing... he's starting to get tired of the Same 'ol small Pics... OR he finally gets turned on SOOOOO much by one preview that he joins the paysite. Now, he's an happy member, and will stay there a few months.... and will eventually come back to hun's site, and buy again, cuz he trusts him...

cycle #2. Some people will say those established tgps give too much free stuff, that they kill ratios, nobody joins anymore, etc...

but once again, it's all about the perspective...

When I started in this biz, the guy that gave me room on his server in exchange of a banner taught me to always please the surfer. that it was key #1...

I followed that, been HIGHLY successfull up to the point I forgot about that, and started putting consoles up...

at first, when nobody had consoles (was seen as cheating) I did well without em.... then, I put up a console, did better, then it slowly went down..

from 1/100 wit my console, it went to 1/2000...

Then I learned what is now the way I look at this biz..

there are concentric circles of activities.

Crap sites, Good Sites, PaySites...

Never mix one with another... techniques wise...

consoles are good, for some type of sites..

for others, they're not... but in the end, we all have to find ourselves a WAY to please our surfer..

whether it's the CJ site that will please the guy by a way out to a clean site, or a tgp that will give a way to a good paysite, or a paysite with daily updates... you have to please 'em to different degrees..

mag

On the Free previews being bad..


This week-end, smeone I know asked me what was the deal with the free preview on the net..

he said that it was all crap, that they never showed what was INSIDE the paysite, but only Talked about it.

THe guy was pissed...


Wouldn't you think that if that guy was showed MORE than what was showed now, he might have joined more easily?


the way I work when I make my galleries is this .... I tell myself

You gotta make the guy horny, but not too much for him to loose interest (I.e him cleaning the mess he just made with his "motion" http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif )

how would you make someone horny enough to buy with text only, and no pictures?

i can't believe this gay thread is so big already. businesses don't need anyone's opinions or any new policies. everything will be sorted out by the invisible hand of supply and demand. if paysites with popups are so shitty then they won't be able to compete with businesses that do not have pop ups. if comrade hun wants to speed up the demise of these e-businesses all the power too him.

its funny to me that if joe shmo posted a lame thread like this one i guarantee it wouldn't get 110 essay size responses in three days. it's good to see the cult of personality is still alive and well even among porno webmasters.

HEIL HUN!

an observation more than an opinion

Hi - first post. I've been following the "Great Debate" as a complete newbie - actually "wannabe" since I don't even have a site yet.

Ten minutes ago I clicked on a site that opened 18 pop-ups. Actually one of them half-interested me so I tried to click on it. It immediately opened the same 18 windows and so on and so on and so on until my system crashed.

Is there anyone out there who REALLY thinks they are going to make money this way?

serious

Just got back from a 4 day trip in PA.
Was'nt expecting this type of post.
I don't worry about pop-ups or ads and shit like that.
Thats becuase I do sites for a hobby like and enjoy it.
If I make .10 cents or $100 makes know difference to me.
I just like doing it. I use a consoles on one free site.
Does'nt really make much of anything.
I like all the people on here and have no problems with anyone.
I do understand most of you rely on the porn business to pay your bills.
I bid you all luck.
I hope all this can be resolved with no casualties.
It's good to be back.
Take care fellow webmasters.
Please excuse the typos I'm on my medication.

Damm 12Clicks.. A "lightning Bolt" must have struck the ground near you.. It looks as if we are on the same path together.. Its about time, I'm glad to see it happen http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
As far as the topic of this thread goes, well it's like you said, most of us have been here and done this about a million times. There is no right or wrong answers in this biz, just many opinions. What works for 1 person does not mean it will work for the next person. This biz is all about trial and error. It's a constant battle (hopefully an Uphill battle).

Mark my words the topic of this thread will surly be brought up again, many times...

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Important topics need to be revisited http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Amen Lightning http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

lightning, screw you! I'm not here to agree with people. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Ok found one.

Hun, I know this is not a gallery you made or would even link to.

But check this out: http://ss4.sexshare.com/~magicianrule/index.htm

This is the kind of porn that some of us are saying make it hard to convert sales.

This is what I was talking about with the free hosting as well, no sane webmasters would pay for the bandwidth of all these pictures. Of couse the free hoster takes the good sites with the bad. This guy doesn't even have ads, if it weren't for the free host ads it would be totally clean of ads.

As a surfer that girl is hot and I'm glad to see all those pics of her.
That's too many for one load, if you know what I mean.

Peace,
Pete Dogg

ROFLMFAO!!
12 clicks....you better stop.

Ppl might get the impression your not so bad after all http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/tongue.gif

humbolt, I'm a prick and everyone here knows it.
Don't cloud the issue. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

Hey Humbolt Good to see you bro. I think If we don't quit, 12Clicks might go nuts...hahahah
12Clicks, your right, people might start thinking your getting nice, or old, or even
human.....LOL so Let me help get your status back to normal.....Go Fuck Yourself http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif...hehehe

OK Now to get back to the Original Topic, this question is for Hun,
So is ARS blacklisted on Huns or not???

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