Colin Powell Speech
 

I'm not going to cover every detail, but how convincing was that? Skeptic or not, some pretty substantial evidence was shown.

Bullshit, Colin powell is a fucker

Those intercepted recordings were chilling to say the least.

Presented a good case imho.

Colin Powell is a gangster

:glugglug

Is that you Saddam?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hell yaaa :boid :boid :boid

I will say this once more time - USA are after Iraqi oil & they want to control the price of oil in the middle east & europe.... Bush & Powell are the terrorist......

photoshop.

Good... Does that mean you won't be spewing your bullshit anymore??
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:1orglaugh Bye Bye Camel Fuckers :1orglaugh

Saddam had the votes because nobody would run against, nor vote against him out of fear for their lives..

But I do agree with the Bush deal..

Damn that's a scary picture...

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I was extremely skeptical until powel presented his case, not sure how much was propeganda, and how much was fact but i thought it was a compelling case none the less.

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Thrawn$,
Kind of useless talking to someone that beleives 100% of ANY people would vote for any ONE leader.

But you go right on living in La La Land :thumbsup

it may be dissapointing to those who oppose war... or encouraging to those who would like to see him go.

no matter what side of the fence you are on or what you beliefs are, you would have to be living under a rock to not see this moment coming.

the simple fact of the matter is that NO ONE on the UN Security Council which unanimously passed Resolution 1441 AS A FINAL WARNING THAT HE MUST COMPLY COMPLETELY OR FACE SERIOUS CONSEQUENCE, is accusing Saddam Hussein of being open, honest or of being in compliance.

he has not been in compliance for 12 years with the agreements to disarm or the 16 previous Security Council Resolutions. he is not compliant today and remains defiant though he stated that he would comply with Resolution 1441 "unconditionally"

from the weapons inspectors:

Hans Blix (on Chemical and Biological Weapons)

"Unlike South Africa, which decided on its own to eliminate its nuclear weapons and welcomed the inspection as a means of creating confidence in its disarmament, Iraq appears not to have come to a genuine acceptance, not even today, of the disarmament which was demanded of it and which it needs to carry out to win the confidence of the world and to live in peace.

"It is not enough to open doors. Inspection is not a game of catch as catch can. Rather, it is a process of verification for the purpose of building confidence."

On Iraq's 12,000-page report

"Regrettably, the 12,000-page declaration, most of which is a reprint of earlier documents, does not seem to contain any new evidence that will eliminate the questions or reduce their number."

On chemical bombs

"The [Iraqi weapons report] document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi air force between 1983 and 1998, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tons. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for."

On chemical rockets

"The discovery of a few rockets does not resolve but rather points to the issue of several thousand of chemical rockets that are unaccounted for. The finding of the rockets shows that Iraq needs to make more effort to ensure that its declaration is currently accurate."

On biological weapons

"There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared and that at least some of this was retained over the declared destruction date. It might still exist.

"Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC [U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission] supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was indeed destroyed in 1991.

"As I reported to the council on the 19th of December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kilos, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as reported in Iraq's submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999.

"In the letter of 24th of January this year to the president of the Security Council, Iraq's foreign minister stated that, I quote, 'All imported quantities of growth media were declared.' This is not evident. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 liters of concentrated anthrax."

On missiles

"There remain significant questions as to whether Iraq retained Scud-type missiles after the Gulf War. Iraq declared the consumption of a number of Scud missiles as targets in the development of an anti-ballistic missile defense system during the 1980s, yet no technical information has been produced about that program or data on the consumption of the missiles."

On recently discovered documents

"The recent inspection find in the private home of a scientist of a box of some 3,000 pages of documents, much of it relating to the lacing enrichment of uranium, support a concern that has long existed that documents might be distributed to the homes of private individuals. This interpretation is refuted by the Iraqi side, which claims that research staff sometimes may bring papers from their workplaces.

"On our side, we cannot help but think that the case might not be isolated and that such placements of documents is deliberate to make discovery difficult and to seek to shield documents by placing them in private homes."

On scientist interviews

"Today, 11 individuals were asked for interviews in Baghdad by us. The replies have been that the individual would only speak at Iraq's Monitoring Directorate or at any rate in the presence of an Iraq official.

"This could be due to a wish on the part of the invited to have evidence that they have not said anything that the authorities did not wish them to say. At our recent talks in Baghdad, the Iraqi side committed itself to encourage persons to accept interviews in private, that is to say alone with us. Despite this, the pattern has not changed.

"However, we hope that with further encouragement from the authorities, knowledgeable individuals will accept private interviews in Baghdad or abroad."

A great power will rise from the west and harvest the power of the sun.

Why don't Kill Saddam Only??

Still in denial? Wake up already. The evidence is there.

Do you promise this is the last time? :)

many people are trying to kill him all the time. The Mossad has been after him for years among others.

i think that apart from the issues of international law, no one has managed to get close enough to do it to him.

he has countless doubles
he never sleeps in the same place twice
he does not tell anyone where he will be and when except his closest guards at the last second
he will not even see his own children without a written request.
he never stops moving around and he is never in the same place twice.

The Mossad is the favorite to take him out. they made a few attempts and failed.

The US fired a missile at his bunker during the Gulf War - which pissed the world off since he was hiding under the Al Rashid hotel where most foreign journalists were staying. if i recall correctly, the missile went right through the front door and into the lobby.

i think that if concerned parties could take him out, they would. but killing Saddam Hussein does not necessarily change the regime in place or its policies.

I was a bit on the fence before the presentation today. Now, I'm worried that they know tons more than they let on. Iraq's link to Al Qaeda is scary. We should kick their ass.

That's called solar power

The UN countries speaking seem to be repititious, nobody is really making any valid points or taking a stand. They all seem to be "we can probably work this out, Iraq must comply, if not we'll have to take action". Aside from France which basically said war is NOT an option, they WILL comply diplomatically.

even if this were true, it still does not change any of the relevent facts at hand. the power to make war happen or not today, is within Saddam Husseins hands. he could easily get enough world support today, to stop whats happening if he was truly interested in compliance with his obligations and with averting war.

I agree. No one is responding to Powells report. They are just reading prepared statements.

I just posted this on another board but think it's totally relevant here as well...

Okay remember this? Bush Sr. told the Kurds in 1988 that if they stood up to defend themselves against Iraq that he would make sure we would be there to help them if they needed it.

Well they stood up against Iraq, they started getting killed off, pleaded with Bush for help and for some reason we never went over to help them as Bush had promised.

Dubya's dad is as much to blame for those killings as Sadaam.

I'm as patriotic as the next guy, I just think it's underhanded to use this in our favor right now.

or nuclear weapons

scary, but I agree with that

however, it must be very difficult to allow other powers to run freely over your country as they wish

especially if you come from the mindset of a dictator, who literally gets everything his own way

what's important, is what are saddam's objectives?

I saw the interview with him, and he didn't look very healthy. perhaps he doesn't have long.

Actually nuclear fussion is the exact same reaction that fuels the sun. The sun can be thought of as one big hydrogen bomb taking millions of years to explode.
Eventually when all off energy is fueled by it including power plants, cars, jets, etc. The world will begin to rapidly fall apart. Natural resources will be replaced. Countries banned from the technology will fall in ruin.

I been on one hell of a drinking binge.. time to sleep

If USA attack IRAK , it will be the WW3 and everybody will be killed, so no more porn, no more signup :ugone2far

You're against war because you could lose $35? lol :thumbsup

Where have I heard that before....

Oh..

1991 the Gulf War.

in 1991 there was no ousama bin laden, imagine if that fucker could have nuclear weapon!!

imagine muhamar kadafi + ousama bin laden + north corea + irak + China+ couple of arabic country etc....

Seems like some people are already thinking about Gulf War 3...
http://www.whois.sc/gulfwar3.com

Imagine if......

Regards,

Lee

Wow, not only did the Iraqi spokesperson to the UN Security Console call Colin Powell a liar and that he fabricated the voice recordings, he says that Israel should begin disarming nuclear weapons (unless I misunderstood it)?

Can't believe he quoted a NY Times person...everybody in the room sat there with a smirk on their face like "is this guy serious?"