pretty incredible huh. i just watched that too. i think the whole
situation is really unfortuneate. Iraq certainly cannot be accused of helping anything. :(

If it was done right, it should take no more than a day to take care of Iraq...


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The Iraq Speaker guy on CNN right now just called he US airships 'enemy aircraft' then he started to choke and cough.

I think he noticed he slipped and called us enemies on air already while trying to insist all Colin reports are lies.

hahaha

I cant wait.

Yah, funny fletch, just saw it too, he was coughing to cover it up.

I'm in Ohio and they just deployed some local friends that are a part of the moriarty operation. They don't do this up until the few weeks prior to war.

Two problems with powells evidence.
1. If they have had these types of photographs and recordings, why wait until now to release them? If they have known all along about various things (as they have acted) why not tell the inspectors where to find stuff? Is it so hard to imagine that the cia/nsa are behind these various audio tracks they keep coming up with (including bin laden), all of which are too low quality to technically verify? Go here http://www.ppu.org.uk/iraq/scared.html to see an example of obvious govt lying about "evidence" just before the first gulf war. Is it so hard to believe that politicians and power brokers in washington or elsewhere would lie?
2. To believe this you basically have to trust bush and his staff. To me its been obvious for a good while that they are intent on having this war and have been looking for a reason so they could sell it. I mean, do you trust politicians and political hacks or not? Thats what this really comes down to.

It's called track record. The US has a near flawless track record about presenting truthful information regarding these matters. Iraq on the other hand, has presented lie after lie. You tell me who you'd tend to believe (depite you being one of those anti-American conpiracists...from what I can tell).

Haha, I somehow knew someone here would post this pic...

I have only three things to say about Powell's "Evidence":

Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit

Back in Auguest they tried to make a case for invasion on the premise that Saddam had kicked out inspectors way back in 1998 and now needed to be dealt with. That didn't stick. So then the US aggressively lobbied for a new resolution calling for a return of inspectors, thinking that Saddam would not let them back in the country. He did. So then they said that Iraq was not complying with inpections. That didn't stick. Then they said that even if Iraq is complying, Iraq must bear the burden of proof and prove they have no WMD. That didn't stick. So now they are finally saying "Hey look! There's Al-Qaeda!".

Can you spell BULLSHIT?

If the terrorist angle doesn't stick the next thing the administration will say is that Saddam forced the two McDonalds in Baghdad to stop offering Big Macs. Fuck, let's invade!!!

Bulllshit. We want the oil and want to control the region. That's it. That's all.

Not even worth commenting on...

You are the kind of idiotic septic people that won't believe anything even if we show you the facts. You read a couple of editorials and that makes you an international analyst.

Saddam Hussein would launch an attack with his WMD and you would still not believe it.

I usually respect everyone's opinion, and never try to use insults wich usually kills any arguments in a discussion, but you are truly an idiot.

War is not the solution, USA hasnt really fuond anything from now.

What is VERY interesting to note is that until 8 or 9 months ago Powell was against any millitary action in Iraq. His view has changed quickly in the last few months starting with Iraqs bullshit disclosure.

Like I said before, if the inspectors were kidnapped tomorrow. Most of the world would deny it and blame the US. :1orglaugh

Kind of hard to find things when they are moving them around the country on trucks.

But you don't beleive that so what's the point.

You are from France:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Wrong! The difference is that I am informed. You are clearly not. Anyone who gets their geopolitical information from CNN or ABC 30 second soundbits does not have a clue what is really going on. You are being lied to and if you want to believe those lies that is your problem. You are like the Soviet citizen circa 1973 who proudly waves a copy of the state run newspaper, Pravda, and proclaims it to be truth. Entire populations CAN be duped by the powers that be. It has happened all throughout history and is happening again today.

Spend at least two solid years reading every book you can find on the CIA, NSA, Wall Street, the media and the military. Until you do that, you, like so many others, are just lemmings blindly following the leader and heading toward the cliff.

Government, Media and Military are ONE in this country. The only difference between America 2003 and the Soviet Union circa 1973 is that at least the Soviets knew the government was producing the news. Most Americans don't even get that much.

You cant possibly be serious. Politicians (bush, saddam, clinton, etc) would lie about their mommas if they thought it would benefit them. Not to mention cia operatives. Are you really that gullible? Do you remember when they said they had irrefutable evidence about bin laden/9-11? But they couldnt show us? Then when other countries demanded to see it, turned out it was a bunch of circumstantial stuff that wouldnt hold up 10 minutes in a court of law. Why do you think they announced the secret military tribunals instead of actual courts of law? Is it because they really dont have real substantial evidence? I dunno, but neither do you. I never said it was a lie, i dont really know and you dont either. I was simply saying there is plenty of room to doubt. Still, if a bunch of politicians start saying they know things but cant say, then when they do say its not verifiable, well........... But hey, you go right ahead and swallow whatever bush and his handlers say. Lets kill tens of thousands of innocent people to get one man and present only highly questionable evidence to justify it. Sure, thats gonna stop terrorism. Just trust the politicians. Really.

If I wish to document my self a little bit more, instead of just blindly accepting what is said as truth, do I also become a " anti-american conSpiracists" ?????

Everyone accepts that the LA and NY police departments regularly make up and plant evidence and lie to get convictions, but suddenly some people are willing to believe anything and everything that the federal government says.

Interesting situation, no matter which side of the issue you are on.

Yes you are informed, and I am King of England:1orglaugh

And as for "Terrorist Cells"...

Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Canada, Italy, Spain, UK and the United States have all been found to have active Al-Qaeda cells within their borders. Should the US invade itself and these other countries as well?

Yeeehaaa! Bombs Away!!

What struck me about that report was that, despite the 'facts' (at least 1 or 2 were outright lies), despite the photos (a couple of many thousands prolly), despite the 'conversations' (again, prolly one or two of hundreds), he still couldn't point to anything specific.

It's all rumour, speculation and scaremongering for the couch potatoes. He still didn't actually report anything solid, nothing, nada!

Jesus christ... do you really belive we are gonna roll in there and take all that oil?? You think Europe, Russia ect. wont get their fair share of this? get off the fucking oil bullshit.

Saddam is 21st century Hitler who rapes and tortures his own people. Could the people who post here that are against any attack against iraq atleast post some reasons why this guy should not be assasinated???

Do you seriously think that those countries would provide WMD to terrorist cells? Get your facts straight.

I'm against the war. The USA/Inspectors have come up with jack-shit so far.

I am for Saddam, and (especially) that Uday son being assassinated.

They are not the same thing. In the former, 100's of thousands of innocents will die.

Uhhh. Excuse me... Who do you think sold Iraq Anthrax, Ricin, Botulism, Sarin gas and a whole host of other chemical and biological agents? Who? Who?

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT'S WHO!!!

I suggest you look that up on the archives of ANY major news organization such as CNN, MSNBC, The New Yorks times. Even these media outlets at least admit as much.

It is YOU my lemming friend who needs to get his facts straight.

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Obviously you do. Bush has repeatedly said you are either with us or against us. And you know what he really means.

That's what Hitler said. (Not that I'm comparing a war-mad president to a madman).

And it is truly amazing how the American people can so easily fall under the illusion of Orwellian newspeak.

"Topple the Iraqi leader" really means "Invade a nation, kill 500,000 civlians and steal that nation's oil".

Because you will replace him by worse. like you did in Chile ...
Your man: Pinochet!
Panama: Noriega
Nicaragua: Somoza

All great defensors of freedom ... lol

Then there are those who refuse to consider any other possibilities, even when "facts" are presented before them. As you mentioned, interesting.

What I find more interesting is watching the opinions of several world leaders, and even members of this board, change over the past few months, weeks, and even hours. It's obvious people are not just staring at the TV screen and repeating what's said, they ARE actually thinking. If they weren't thinking, why would their opinions change so suddenly?

OK, lets all get lobotomy and follow Bush ...

US claim dismissed by Blix

The chief UN weapons inspector yesterday dismissed what has been billed as a central claim of the speech the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, will make today to the UN security council.

Hans Blix said there was no evidence of mobile biological weapons laboratories or of Iraq trying to foil inspectors by moving equipment before his teams arrived.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...889135,00.html

Who to believe?

Dont try to sound so important:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

This could also be said by Sadam Hussein....

Those words are of a dictator ...

If you would pay attention you might realize we arent talking about assasinating him. We are talking about INVADING and OCCUPYING an entire country, probably killing 10s of thousands of (relatively) innocent people. Then installing a puppet govt etc. All under the foolish notion (even if they arent lying) of fighting terrorism. But what nobody, especially bush, is talking about is how saddam (not to mention bin laden) got to be such problems. Can you say reagan/bush/cia boys and girls?

YAWN!

I didn't ask you who made or sold anything to Iraq. You were asking a dumb question about why aren't we bombing other countries that have terrorists cells. I am asking you again, do you think that those countries would knowingly provide WMD by their government to those terrorists cells?

Who's the lemming now?

You of course.

Just get over it, war is coming and there is nothing you can do about it. All this talk will not change a thing.:1orglaugh

I think we should just leave Iraq alone. All that fake information was clearly a part of the top secert US plan to fool the world and take all the oil. Sadam is all about peace just follow up on his history. A guy like Sadam wouldnt associate with a terror organization such as Al Queda. This entire situation is nothing more then the secert evil american plan to take all the oil in the world. The whole world is being fooled by their fake ridiculous notions of threats from biological/chemical terror. I mean seriously why should they be concerned with that?

I am aware, i should have worded that differently but in any case if he isn't taken out thousands of those innocent people you are referring to will be murdered raped and tortured on a regular basis.

You don't think he will be able to build a nuke within 5 years if he is allowed to stay in power? Lets say he does get some and launches an attack on a neighboring country and turns this world upside down. The what will ya say then? oh shit ...we shoulda, coulda, woulda...by then its too late