Exactly :thumbsup

Some don't seem to get the fact that he is the one in violation.

I am leaning more and more towards "Invading Iraq"

:eek7

Very interesting read that America's success (or lack there of) in Afghanistan isn't quite what people believe it to be. But the overall gist of this article was that even if we could justfiy attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq, we couldn't win the battles - this is just not true.

To all the MassiveCocks on this thread.

http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/2002/sc2002.htm

Read 1441.

We ARE going in, and there is NOTHING you can do.

Carry on bitching now :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Perfectly stated.

No point in the 'carryiny on bitching' stuff...but their link to 1441 isn't working (probably over loaded). Can anybody paste it here? Or AIM or ICQ me?

I think I speak for everyone here, when I say that I'm delighted you made the effort to register, just so you could post that.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

you're so jealous

I've never seen a clearer example of penis envy

:1orglaugh

See that was funny :thumbsup

Ahh, you mean like bush, who is (evidently) a DESERTER; http://www.awolbush.com/
Or cheney, lott, delay, gingrich, limbaugh, and the rest of the chicken hawks who want this war (slaughter) so bad? http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html
Is that who you mean?

I new I should have saved it the other day :(

Try it tomorrow, it's an interesting read to say the least. And it CLEARLY puts the onus on Iraq.

12clicks -- I challenge you.

Please state your predictions here, in this thread, on what will happen during the next six months regarding:

North Korea
Iraq

How does that sound?

I'll book mark it, and check back in August.

If you're correct, no one on this board should *ever* question you again about anything.

How does that sound?

If you're always right, then here's the litmus test. Personally, I'm intrigued... :)

Nevermind, just got it...took 3 minutes or so to load.

Here's another link to it. It loads much faster.

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02110803.htm

Yer full of it. How in the world does anyone prove a negative? If I destroyed something 5 years ago, how in the world do I prove that? By showing some paperwork? That proves that I destoyed it? You say they should show physical proof of the destruction. Like what - some melted down scraps of iron?

The UN was totally and completely bullied into resolution 1441 by the US. The US is the 800 lb gorilla of the UN. As much as Russia, France and China whine about it, they know that in the end they have to go along if they want to at least have a nibble at the spoils of war (oil!). So they go along with these ridiculous resolutions. They know that the US plan is ultimately to invade.

And if UN resolutions are so sacrosant, what about the UN resolution that condemned the US invasion of Panama in 1988? Is the US only required to follow those UN resolutions that it agrees with? What about the endless string of UN resolutions that have been passed against Israel but which the US and Israel continue to ignore? Should the rest of the world invade Israel and the US for their decades-long flaunting of UN resolutions?

Doe the word hypocracy mean anthing to you?

It is time for to change your handle from theking to thejester.

:Graucho

Your ignorance keeps showing more and more, I don't even know where to start...so I won't. Take a look back and look at what you're saying, logically. You act like all these nations are in on one huge worldwide conspiracy to get some oil; give me a break.

They are but it's not exactly a conspiracy. It's all out in the open. All major industrialized nations need oil in order to sustain their economies. Oil is a rapidly depleting resource. The middle east has the largest remaining oil reserves on the planet. And you are surprised that the strong nations are bidding to grab it?

Read your history books. Nations and empires have ALWAYS warred for the control of naturual resources. America itself would not even exist if Columbus was not trying to optimize spice routes in the 15th century. Whether it's gold, diamonds, spice or oil - war is about grabbing as much of the primary resource as possible in all historical periods.

Here ace, do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Start by reading books, dammit.

Read this book by Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor. He pretty much lays it out in terms that even GFY webmasters can understand!

The Grand Chessboard

Are you so slow that you don't yet get it. They agreed to this. So now they are bound by it. This was the UN if I am not mistaken. So since he was dumb enough (surrendered) to this because he felt that "Hey, what a deal, I will just sign this and say I will but I won't . Dumb contract.

Problem is the jokes on him, as well as you. You are so full of this we never landed on the moon malarky it's almost a pity :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

This is about national security. It is about a country being ran by a dictator who is a known mass murderer, a known human rights violater, who happens to have enough biological and chemical weapons to kill millions. Its about a country ruled by a dictator that ignores the international community. Its about the threat of terror. Can we really afford to take the chance of having a terroist organization obtain weapons of mass destruction from a unstable country?
The oil in Iraq may play a issue in the cost to rebuild Iraq. Nothing more.

Oh. You mean George Bush? Then why are we invading Iraq instead of the US?

:winkwink:

North Korea????

Syria? Libya?

Actually bush is doing his job. After 911 with extremly high support he vowed to defeat terror. The war has just started. Would you rather see someone in office who ignores the situation completely, letting the terror networks grow to a even larger problem?

If this prevents even the smallest chance of me turning on the TV and having to watch 1000s of innocent men, women, and children dying from a biological terroist attack with weapons from Iraq, then its worth it. The chance of this happening doesnt need to be possible, no matter how small of a chance.

Pakistan first.

Ok, your concerns are notable. But do you really have any reason to believe that whatever govt we INSTALL there will be any more stable? After all, it doesnt appear that saddam has done anything aggressive in the last dozen years, maybe because he knows he would be crushed if he did. And do you really think that doing this will result in less terrorism and not more? Nobody is saying saddam is a cool guy, but think about what you are saying here. This will result in more trouble, not less.

fighting terrorism is not a 'war', it is a daily social reality

terrorism will always exist, just like drugs

society and politicians have to adjust to those realities, and minimize or live with them as works best

as an example: the 'war on drugs' isn't exactly being won is it now? :1orglaugh

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our Number one priority and we will not rest until we find him!"
-- George W. Bush, September 13, 2001
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
-- George W. Bush, March 13, 2002


"I'm tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired and shot, nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded, who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell."-- General William T. Sherman Michigan Military Academy June 19, 1879

Reguardless, the current goverment in Iraq has been given enough chances to comply with the demands of the international community. It has become unfortunately obvious that Iraq has no intentions of following the resolutions.
Sadam doesnt have to be aggressive as far as anyone here knows he could of already disturbuted weapons to terrorist groups. The point is that he shouldnt have them.
As far as a new goverment that we install being more unstable, that is unlikely. But for example if you hire a employee that doesnt do the job and replace him with a worse one. Eventually you will find the man for the job. I guess I can put it that way.

jammyjenkins,
Terrorism works because we allow it to.

Perfect example: In the 70's when hijackings started big, they usually had a list of prisoners that they wanted to be let go. What they should have done was found all the people on the list and put a bullet in their head. But they let them get away with it instead.

It is now time to find these people where ever they are and kill them!

You can't compare drugs to terrorism. It's two different things.

If I was worth a billion dollars I could disappear too. We cant stop everything, ignore everything until we find one man. And dont think they arent still looking.

And what is wrong with that?

Rather the Americans then the ragheads.

My :2 cents:

my analogy was that both are unwinnable wars

unless America is going to resort to Soviet style control of it's borders and population, terrorism can never be stopped

terrorism is really just crime anyway, just with political motivations, and usually on a larger scale

But it is just crime, and for that reason, without 100% popupation control, can never be completely stopped.

But a large percentage of it can be prevented, Prevent what you can, that is all that can be done.

there has to be a comprimise somewhere

you can't (or wouldn't want to) control the population 100%

starting 'wars against terrorism' can inflame an already bad situation, if handled the wrong way

by bringing so much attention to itself, the US is directing even more negative feeling toward itself

this can mean that for every one terrorist killed, two new ones choose to take his place

as big as the US is, it only has finite resources

low-key operations and working to win the 'hearts and minds' of the public in other countries can be a lot more effective

life is never 100% safe anyway. get used to it

and I'm merely stating a fact here:

US troops in the Middle east, and unflinching US support of Israel is causing an awful lot of bad feeling in the middle east

And what upsets many people is the fact that iraq is breaking UN resolutions and gets an army on it's doorstep, ready to invade

Israel breaks UN resolutions and absolutely nothing is done

That double-standards is fueling even more hatred against the US and is making a bad situation worse

Getting into this in a very detailed aspect, the big picture of US involvement in the middle east. The middle east is very wealthy with natural resource (oil of course). The United states and other nations police the middle east to prevent wars between the nations. If the middle east became one it would dominate the world. It would become a monopoloy in the world economy. Not good for any country besides the super power middle east.
The terror is a direct result of the heavy US involvment in the middle east. There will always be countries in the middle east that hate the US because of this. There is nothing that can be done except for handling the situation in the best interest of the US and the world.

The War on Terror is a great lie. Osama is a CIA asset, always has been always will be. The US administration set up, financed and trained Osama and his minions during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. After that, the US administration worked hand in hand with the Taliban to launder money from the heroin trade. The Bush and Bin Landen families have close business ties and operate The Carlyle Group, one of the biggest defense contractors in the world. Bin Laden Construction built all the US military bases in the middle east. Two of Osama's brothers live within a few miles of CIA hq in Virginia. Bush Jr. obstructed the FBI from investigating these brothers.

The War on Terror, The Patriot Act, The Homeland Security Dept., The Office of Information Awareness is all one big giant lie to get Americans to give up their freedoms in exchange for "security". It is the start of a facist state. It is right out of hitler's playbook.

The facts are all scattered in the mainstream press.

And it's all summarized in the video links I already posted, if anyone actually gets off their butts and gets educated.

Wake up before it's too late!!!

:BangBang:

You mean WAS a cia asset. He will never be found because they cant afford for him to be. At least not alive. Dunno what happened to him but he will never be found.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wonton
[B]The War on Terror is a great lie. Osama is a CIA asset, always has been always will be. The US administration set up, financed and trained Osama and his minions during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan. After that, the US administration worked hand in hand with the Taliban to launder money from the heroin trade. The Bush and Bin Landen families have close business ties and operate The Carlyle Group, one of the biggest defense contractors in the world. Bin Laden Construction built all the US military bases in the middle east. Two of Osama's brothers live within a few miles of CIA hq in Virginia. Bush Jr. obstructed the FBI from investigating these brothers.




So then the US was behind 9/11, the Cole bombing, and the Embassy bombings in Africa as well.

Fuck me.
I just got it. Thanks!