You need to get YOUR facts straight. Its documented and well known that the usa/cia armed both saddam and bin laden when it seemed to be in their best interests. That includes gas that iraq used against iran. Why do you think the usa took out/censored 8000 pages from the 12000 page report iraq submitted to the un? Fortunately there was another copy and turns out those pages contained the names of numerous western corporations who were instrumental in their supply. Including haliburton, chaired by DICK CHENEY. Reminds one of how prescott bush (jrs grandpappy) got caught dealing with the nazis circa ww2. This kind of stuff doesnt make you at least a little suspicious?
By the way, after removing the 8000 pages of that report, the bush administration then announced the report was incomplete!

Yes . Pakistan already has and we did not invade them since they are "supposedly" our allies. Pakistan sold chemical and biological agenst to the Taliban and Pakistani nuclear scientists were discovered to have given "dirty bomb" technology directly to Al-Qaeda.

So the anwer to your question is YES!

As for the US and their allegations against Iraq - the US supplied almost 90% of Saddam's WMD even as recently as the last 24 months!!!



We Armed Saddam!

My opinions and views seem to change a bit with each piece of "evidence" I see. And that does NOT consist of posts at "Guardian Unlimited" or by members of this board. There truely is a lack of knowledge by people on this board. You might want to educate yourselves on exactly what is at hand here, and what has happened in the past. You're blindly accepting "conSpiracist" theories that the US Government are the bad guys, and are "on the prowl to go get us some oil!!".

You can think what you want, but you're mixing two completely separate issues. The UN has pretty much come to an agreement that this is not about OIL or any of that (again, think what you want...the UN are a very intelligent group of people, it's not one huge conspiracy compromised of 180+ nations), it's about slowly removing the threat of terrorism.

Aside from regular retaliation bombings of Iraqi missile sites, the UN was not at all active in military action towards any of these countries. If you think that OIL is the main cause if this dispute, then why weren't we taking military action in 1994, 95, 96, 96, 97, 98, 99, 00? Because that IS NOT the issue. The issue is terrorism. The terrorist activities throughout the middle east, as well as the attacks on the US in September are simply the "last straw" for lack of better terminology. Steps are being taken to stop terrorism, and making sure WMD do not get in the hands of these people is one of these steps.

It is now proven, and factual that some of the higher ranking Al-Qaeda officers found refuge in Iraq (ohhh wait, nevermind, I guess the US Government fabricated those tapes, nevermind, my bad). Iraq is obviously in support of the Al-Qaeda network and WILL NOT hesitate to provide them with the necessary resources to carry out terrorist activites. Believe what you want, but the track record proves it all: Iraq will build lie upon lie to by themselves time and hopefully get out of the predicament they're currently in.

Its about as good as any of the reasons we are being given.

Texas is the reason that the presidents dead!

Funny.

It really got on my tits.

First of all, it's "Al Qaeda" not "Al Quada". And secondly, Al Qaeda is a CIA creation.

don't like it but in agreement....

yeah, i was driving down the main street of the city i live in, and i saw a bunch of anti-war protesters on the side of the road. ok, there were only 4 of them. had i saw them sooner, i'd have run them over. at least bumped them...

get a haricut, hippies! :321GFY

Wow I always thought U followed Q but your right!

Corrected. CAI creation eh?

Yes. Buy this tape. It will change the way you look at the world.

THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11

Not too interested in wasting money and supporting uneducated conspiracists.

Yeah, its all a part of the top secert plan to take all the oil in the world

In other words you are not brave enough to risk challenging your worldview. Fair enough!

:glugglug

It has nothing to do with oil. It has to do with the recovery of alien technology. If Saddam Hussein can back engineer it before we can stop him, the world might be his. Try doing a little research before you shoot off your mouth.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/01/31/42821.html

I'm a psychologist major, so I've learned to put myself in the idle position, and consider all view points, look at the pro's and con's of each, and take everything into consideration. I've thought a lot about all possible routes as far as this situation goes. I've 'challenged the worldview' in my own mind...yet the facts remain the same and the overall way things work is still pretty obvious.

Fucking bomb Iraq already - I am tired of reading these stupid news articles on Yahoo and threads about this douche bag.

:ak47: Saddam and his homies:321GFY

Hahaha, the Pravda rocks...

can't cope with freedom of speech? you might want to leave the US then ...

In English, yes. But unfortunately Al Qaeda isn't a bunch of men in bowler hats poking people with umbrellas.

grow up :)

dude, next time you come out of your bomb shelter, look me up so I can laugh in your face.:1orglaugh

LOLLLLLLLLLLLL:thumbsup

Interesting read. Like some predicted, the US is having a hard time in afghanistan (because of guerilla tactics) just like the USSR did:

http://argument.independent.co.uk/co...p?story=375608

The CIA blew up the space shuttle... Its some how linked to taking all the oil in the world, It has to be

what leftist drivel.
:1orglaugh

If you are a student try consulting a dictionary for info about the diff between "facts" and allegations. Allegations arent always wrong, but they aint FACTS. And if things are so "obvious" to you about all this you must be some kind of psychic.

by calling it leftist, you're showing your own bias and inability to be objective about important news matters

what he said may or may not be true. if there's evidence, then it is true

that's why it's important to have an open mind. if you can't even consider an event from a different point of view, some people call that narrow mindedness.

some people might even call it ignorance :)

That's about the mosted fuckeup statement you made. Give your sources for your reasons. You talk big about facts. PROVE IT :321GFY

Wrong. You are not informed.

That is not what the US said, that is what 1441 says. Resolution 1441 explicitly places the burden of proof on Iraq to prove that they destroyed the remaining WMD's that they had in their possession in 1998. The burden of proof is not on the USA, the UN, or the inspectors. The inspectors are not in Iraq to find WMD's, they are there to oversee the destruction of the remaining WMD's Iraq still had in their possesion in 1998, as well as to see that they have dismantled their capability of producing WMD's.

Iraq has stated that they destroyed the remaining WMD's from 1998 but have not presented one single piece of proof that they in fact did destroy the remaining WMD's from 1998. They claim that when they destroyed the remaining WMD's from 1998, they also destroyed the paper work for the destruction of the remaining WMD's from 1998. Do you buy that story?

Even if they did destroy the paper work for the destruction of the remaining WMD's from 1998 their would be in existence physical proof of the destruction. They have failed to provide this proof.

Even if they did destroy the paper work for the destruction of the remaining WMD's from 1998 their would be those scientists, engineers, personell in general, that helped to destroy the remaining WMD's from 1998. They have failed to produce the people involved in the destruction of the WMD's remaining from 1998.

1441 places the burden of proof upon them and they have failed to produce the proof, thus a major breach of 1441.

So do not tell other people to inform themselves, when you are just posting BS.

That was one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this board.

Good job! :thumbsup

I can't help it if you don't have the intellect to read something, see there are no facts attached to it and dismiss it out of hand.
Calling it ignorance only draws attention to your own limitations.


but hey, we can't all be me can we?

watching people who always think they're right, has a car crash quality to it

you know they're going to fuck up, but you just can't look away... :)

If you been in this business for any length of time, you'd have given up and looked away years ago, understanding it just won't happen.
being a know it all noob, you've yet to learn.

everybody gets it wrong sometimes

if you don't agree, then you're wrong about that

and that's a fact, whether you like it or not :)

I'm not "everybody" and I have 5yrs of proof backing me up :winkwink:

Would ANY of you treehugging, sealpupsaving, longhaireddopesmoking, flowepower, conspiracytheoryloving, commiepinko, givepeaceachancesaying, furcoatpaintspraying, oneworldgovernmentwanting, combustablenginehating, Berkleygraduated, vietnamveteranhating, pussies ever do anything to help protect your freedom.

Did 9/11 not prove to you that they will take the fight to us unless we strike first. You think this is about oil? You guys will always look for a reason not to fight, even if your life and liberty are at stake. But you will be the first to spit on the people who are willing to take a bullet so your sorry ass can continue to burn the flag.