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Varius 10-06-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by strobi (Post 17580416)
How come that bodybuilders who are cutting, and eat LOADS of carbs still get to the 8-9% BF? Most people who want to lose weight and retain muscle go for the 50/35/15.

(50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat)

So that's exactly the opposite, loads of carbs, loads of protein, a little bit of fat.

Also, how can you do a decent workout on that amount of carbs?

Not dissing at all, but if I don't eat a decent carb rich meal + a banana, I surely can't deadlift or squat!
Working out, I'll be able to answer that question next week :winkwink:

However, I will then have 30g carbs pre- and 30g carbs post-workout, that don't count towards my daily goals as they will be burned completely by the workout.

That said, I feel strong and with more energy this whole month (aside from first few days/week) and even playing 3 hours of intensive hockey find myself faster and with more endurance than before, with no carbs.

dyna mo 10-06-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by strobi (Post 17580416)
How come that bodybuilders who are cutting, and eat LOADS of carbs still get to the 8-9% BF? Most people who want to lose weight and retain muscle go for the 50/35/15.

(50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat)

So that's exactly the opposite, loads of carbs, loads of protein, a little bit of fat.

Also, how can you do a decent workout on that amount of carbs?

Not dissing at all, but if I don't eat a decent carb rich meal + a banana, I surely can't deadlift or squat!
it's my understanding that it is due to the insane amount of energy they expel in training.

i can say from my experience, at 50/30/20, i'm not adding fat. and i eat more than a maintenance level of cals (~3000).

The Demon 10-06-2010 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by strobi (Post 17580416)
How come that bodybuilders who are cutting, and eat LOADS of carbs still get to the 8-9% BF? Most people who want to lose weight and retain muscle go for the 50/35/15.

(50% carbs, 35% protein, 15% fat)
Different diets work for different people, especially depending on the amount of insulin resistance a body possesses. Also, most of the bodybuilders I've met actually RECOMMEND doing keto until you get under the 10% barrier, then start stacking up on carbs with a ratio some thing like yours.

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Also, how can you do a decent workout on that amount of carbs?
Easily. It may not be as intense when you first start out but once you start carbing up and replenishing your glycogen levels, your workouts are going to own.

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Not dissing at all, but if I don't eat a decent carb rich meal + a banana, I surely can't deadlift or squat!
And when I eat carbs, I get sleepy/drousy throughout the day. On Keto I'm fully alert.

Cory W 10-06-2010 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580202)
I am doing 500 calories under my maintenance, so ~2100-2200 a day.

If you are eating low-fat as you mentioned, yeah I would think it's hard for all-natural foods to add up - I'd suggest adding stuff like natural peanut butter or olive oil in moderation to boost your cals maybe ?
I do the olive oil, that does help. The peanuts give me issues. I used to take that natural peanut butter and mix it with water for shakes. Did not work well for me, which sucks because that's easy calories....

strobi 10-06-2010 04:23 PM
Interesting stuff guys! Looking into this!

dyna mo 10-06-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580432)
Working out, I'll be able to answer that question next week :winkwink:

However, I will then have 30g carbs pre- and 30g carbs post-workout, that don't count towards my daily goals as they will be burned completely by the workout.

That said, I feel strong and with more energy this whole month (aside from first few days/week) and even playing 3 hours of intensive hockey find myself faster and with more endurance than before, with no carbs.
Take Charge will be PERFECT for you to take pre/post wo then. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

dyna mo 10-06-2010 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17580447)
I do the olive oil, that does help. The peanuts give me issues. I used to take that natural peanut butter and mix it with water for shakes. Did not work well for me, which sucks because that's easy calories....
avocados.

Varius 10-06-2010 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17580453)
Take Charge will be PERFECT for you to take pre/post wo then. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
Yeah, actually my gf is going to Orlando tomorrow so she will try and bring it back with her and I might have it then just in time :)

dyna mo 10-06-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580482)
Yeah, actually my gf is going to Orlando tomorrow so she will try and bring it back with her and I might have it then just in time :)
cool cool, i wish i would of sent ya a couple then. :)

dyna mo 10-06-2010 04:48 PM
Varius, here's a link to a very good thread re: 5x5 and how it works.

http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6213

it helped me understand how the program works, prior to reading it i was not aware the growth from the program really comes on in the deload/intensity phases of the program, not the volume. this crucial point is overlooked in many 5x5 workout descriptions

i want to thank tony199 again for pointing me to the 5x5 too.

thanks tony!

minicivan 10-06-2010 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17580421)
This is humorous considering you'll get better advice from the bodybuilding forums than 99% of the books you read regarding "diets". I know because I'm certified.

That's not why you carb up after two weeks. It takes around that time to get into keto for the first time and deplete your glycogen levels..

Perfect example of someone that wants to talk about something they know nothing about and pass themself off as an expert when they can't even make sense. No one said you had to "carb up after two weeks". That has no relation to your brain trying to adjust to the lack of glucose and new fuel sources in the first couple weeks of being in a state of ketosis.

You certified at what? Changing tires? You saying you have a degree in nutrition or a certification in physical training? If you bring the word "certified" into it... I doubt you are very qualified to talk about anything related to biochem and molecular biology.

Not sure where you get the idea that someone is going to go low carb and they have to "carb up" after two weeks to deplete glycogen levels. That doesn't make sense. Within a few days of restricting carbs, you will be in a state of ketosis and glycogen levels are down and glucogen levels are up. Carbing up causes the opposite to be happen - something you seem to not understand. There is no point to "carbing up" unless you are on a cyclical ketogenic diet and trying to lift at the same time and you need to increase sugar stores/hydration levels - which is not what this conversation is about.

Trust me when I say you can cross politics and bio chemistry from your "things I am good at" list.
;)

The Demon 10-06-2010 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17580801)
Perfect example of someone that wants to talk about something they know nothing about and pass themself off as an expert when they can't even make sense. No one said you had to "carb up after two weeks". That has no relation to your brain trying to adjust to the lack of glucose and new fuel sources in the first couple weeks of being in a state of ketosis.
Nobody said anything about carb up? Actually, I believe I was the one that said something about it. You really don't know what you're talking about.

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You certified at what? Changing tires? You saying you have a degree in nutrition or a certification in physical training? If you bring the word "certified" into it... I doubt you are very qualified to talk about anything related to biochem and molecular biology.
Wonderful, someone who manages to regurgitate "bro science" articles is going to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.:1orglaugh

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Not sure where you get the idea that someone is going to go low carb and they have to "carb up" after two weeks to deplete glycogen levels. That doesn't make sense. Within a few days of restricting carbs, you will be in a state of ketosis and glycogen levels are down and glucogen levels are up. Carbing up causes the opposite to be happen - something you seem to not understand. There is no point to "carbing up" unless you are on a cyclical ketogenic diet and trying to lift at the same time and you need to increase sugar stores/hydration levels - which is not what this conversation is about.
The part that I bolded, I had to read again because either you are "slow", or you're committing a strawman. The carb up is BECAUSE of depleted glycogen levels, not TO deplete them. At least TRY to sound intelligent.

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Trust me when I say you can cross politics and bio chemistry from your "things I am good at" list.
;)
That's ok, it's too easy spotting an idiot, especially an idiot that's challenging your superior expertise.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

xxweekxx 10-06-2010 08:32 PM
Stop arguing with the demon.. i said "your body can convert dietary protein to glucose", and he said thats bro science.. i stopped listening to him after that..

i learned that shit when i was 12yrs old...

anyway minicivan seems like me and you are on the same page... for me personally i do best on LOW carb high fat/moderate protein.. but i dont do well on NO carbs/Carbups..

i just eat anywhere from 50-200g of carbs a day.. usually end up around 100g ~ 400 calorie mark in carbs.. i feel great.. my brain gets the glucose it needs.. my muscles get the glucose they need.. my workouts dont suffer.. all is well

Cory W 10-07-2010 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580432)
Working out, I'll be able to answer that question next week :winkwink:

However, I will then have 30g carbs pre- and 30g carbs post-workout, that don't count towards my daily goals as they will be burned completely by the workout.

That said, I feel strong and with more energy this whole month (aside from first few days/week) and even playing 3 hours of intensive hockey find myself faster and with more endurance than before, with no carbs.
So you do have 60g carbs a day?

That's right at what I have myself.

Varius 10-07-2010 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584200)
So you do have 60g carbs a day?

That's right at what I have myself.
I didn't for my first month, as I was not yet working out so didn't require the additional energy/glucose for my muscles.

Now that I will add working out starting Monday, yeah I will have 30g pre-workout and 30g post-workout (mostly mixed in a protein shake). As those should be completely used up by the workout though, they don't count towards my daily totals.

Cory W 10-07-2010 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17584235)
I didn't for my first month, as I was not yet working out so didn't require the additional energy/glucose for my muscles.

Now that I will add working out starting Monday, yeah I will have 30g pre-workout and 30g post-workout (mostly mixed in a protein shake). As those should be completely used up by the workout though, they don't count towards my daily totals.
I am not sure how much carbs really matter for working out (forgive me if that's been up for debate in this thread already). But a lot of pro-athletes say its overrated. I surf, I play basketball, I do windsprints, I don't need a whole lot of carbs. I never run out of energy.

Lots of articles say you don't need them at all.

dyna mo 10-07-2010 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584240)
I am not sure how much carbs really matter for working out (forgive me if that's been up for debate in this thread already). But a lot of pro-athletes say its overrated. I surf, I play basketball, I do windsprints, I don't need a whole lot of carbs. I never run out of energy.

Lots of articles say you don't need them at all.
links to these articles?

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 11:21 AM
Cyclic ketogenic diet really works, its the only diet I do when I want to lose fat without loosing much muscle. What was your exact plan? I always avoid carbs from monday to friday, my body is in the ketogenic phase around late tuesday or wednesday. Then after friday's training I start with carbs, I drink 2 big maltodextrin drinks, each around 100-150g, one right after the training, one one hour later, after another hour I start eating normally(with carbs) and do it until sunday evening. I know it works better if I did the ketogenic phase until saturday, but I'm happy with losing 1kg of fat per week. It only works for 3-4 weeks, though, then its better to get a rest and start over in 4-6 weeks, if there is still some fat left.

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17580421)
That's not why you carb up after two weeks. It takes around that time to get into keto for the first time and deplete your glycogen levels..
I did urine tests, it takes me 2-3 days to get into ketosis. My work out is hard even without eating carbs, though. First week, its quick, I'm in ketosis usually tuesday evening, second week its wednesday and third week I'm happy with wednesday evening, thats why I don't do it for more than 3 weeks in a row, when I see how the body adapts to it.

Varius 10-07-2010 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584240)
I am not sure how much carbs really matter for working out (forgive me if that's been up for debate in this thread already). But a lot of pro-athletes say its overrated. I surf, I play basketball, I do windsprints, I don't need a whole lot of carbs. I never run out of energy.

Lots of articles say you don't need them at all.
I agree with I don't think the body needs carbs; but from what I have read, it seems there are a few ways it helps that most people agree with:

- Post workout, your body may break down muscle tissue to replenish glucose in the muscles; if you supply it some, then it won't do that.

- Carbs create an insulin spike which helps to move nutrients into your muscle tissue quicker.

- If consumed quickly enough, it's a good time to get supplements in that you otherwise wouldn't consume which also aid in muscle growth and recovery like dextrose and creatine.

The pre-workout shake may not be necessary; some people probably do without, while others swear they need it to push themselves to max lifts. Probably one of those things that ends up being different for everyone.

Cory W 10-07-2010 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17584254)
links to these articles?
Let me dig around, its mostly in blurbs. I could totally be wrong, but based on my own body, I do way better at around 60g.

Peanut butter was a great energy source for me, made me feel great, but it doesn't completely sit right with my body.

jwerd 10-07-2010 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17577939)
Here's an example non-workout day:

Breakfast: 3 eggs, 2 strips bacon, 1 tbsp philly cream cheese, 56g pepperjack cheese

Snack: 4 stalks celery, 1 tbsp crunchy peanut butter, 4 tbsp ground flax seed in water

Lunch: 11oz boneless, skinless chicken breast, 7oz white mushrooms, 28g cheddar cheese

Snack: 28g pepperjack cheese, 3 slices pepperoni, 4 tbsp ground flax seed in water

Dinner: 1 can tuna in oil, 28g cheddar cheese

~2100 calories.

I still eat out fairly often though, so lunch/dinner are always changing but paying attention to the macros.

I also am starting to experiment with some recipes, like yesterday for lunch, I made breaded chicken tenders + cheesy hot sauce. Breaded the tenders by dipping them in beaten egg, then rolling them in flax seed and frying it.

Next up is pizza crust made from dried cauliflower.
Try pizza from coconut milk, flax seed (since you are already using it) and coconut flour and of course eggs: .. coconut oils are amazing to cook with as well, if you want to switch up the healthy fats :) I'm doing Primal/Paleo (they are close, but primal is more about high fat) right now, which I guess is close to what you are doing.

The Demon 10-07-2010 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17581144)
Stop arguing with the demon.. i said "your body can convert dietary protein to glucose", and he said thats bro science.. i stopped listening to him after that..

i learned that shit when i was 12yrs old...

anyway minicivan seems like me and you are on the same page... for me personally i do best on LOW carb high fat/moderate protein.. but i dont do well on NO carbs/Carbups..

i just eat anywhere from 50-200g of carbs a day.. usually end up around 100g ~ 400 calorie mark in carbs.. i feel great.. my brain gets the glucose it needs.. my muscles get the glucose they need.. my workouts dont suffer.. all is well
Sure you did kid. It's a wonder why nobody's responding to you or minicivan and instead, taking my input. You see, you have to actually know what you're talking about or at least pretend, and neither of you morons are capable. :winkwink:

The Demon 10-07-2010 11:40 AM
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Cyclic ketogenic diet really works, its the only diet I do when I want to lose fat without loosing much muscle. What was your exact plan? I always avoid carbs from monday to friday, my body is in the ketogenic phase around late tuesday or wednesday. Then after friday's training I start with carbs, I drink 2 big maltodextrin drinks, each around 100-150g, one right after the training, one one hour later, after another hour I start eating normally(with carbs) and do it until sunday evening. I know it works better if I did the ketogenic phase until saturday, but I'm happy with losing 1kg of fat per week. It only works for 3-4 weeks, though, then its better to get a rest and start over in 4-6 weeks, if there is still some fat left.
See, when I first started CKD I actually gained some muscle. At the very worst, I haven't lost any and really, there's no reason you should be losing muscle on CKD. If you're lifting heavy (which I do), and consume at least 1 gram of protein per 1 pound of LBM, you should be maintaining muscle while burning off the fat.

Varius 10-07-2010 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584336)
Let me dig around, its mostly in blurbs. I could totally be wrong, but based on my own body, I do way better at around 60g.

Peanut butter was a great energy source for me, made me feel great, but it doesn't completely sit right with my body.
I think it may depend on the exercise type as well.

Playing hockey for 3 hours straight, on only my 12g of carbs I was having, wasn't a problem this past month. Just as you do many activities on low-carb.

However, weight lifting specifically, may work differently than mostly cardio-based activities (in that your goal is to create micro-tears of the muscle which must then repair themselves) and why the right types of carbs immediately after the workout can help.

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17584385)
See, when I first started CKD I actually gained some muscle. At the very worst, I haven't lost any and really, there's no reason you should be losing muscle on CKD. If you're lifting heavy (which I do), and consume at least 1 gram of protein per 1 pound of LBM, you should be maintaining muscle while burning off the fat.
I lose some strenght, not much, though...its like I'm at 95% of what I have lifted before CKD. And the power quickly comes back later, just the fat doesn't. :)

The Demon 10-07-2010 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 17584422)
I lose some strenght, not much, though...its like I'm at 95% of what I have lifted before CKD. And the power quickly comes back later, just the fat doesn't. :)
Yea that's to be expected. I find my best workout day is the day after the carb up when my muscle glycogen levels are replenished. So Monday and Tuesday I would think. But yea generally on CKD you have to sacrifice some strength because of the lack of carbs/energy. That's why every 3 months I switch from CKD back to strength training.

Varius 10-07-2010 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jwerd (Post 17584353)
Try pizza from coconut milk, flax seed (since you are already using it) and coconut flour and of course eggs: .. coconut oils are amazing to cook with as well, if you want to switch up the healthy fats :) I'm doing Primal/Paleo (they are close, but primal is more about high fat) right now, which I guess is close to what you are doing.
Hey J, yeah Jen saw on your FB you were doing something similar :)

I'm not much of a coconut fan, but willing to try it out - thanks

minicivan 10-07-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17580824)
Nobody said anything about carb up? Actually, I believe I was the one that said something about it. You really don't know what you're talking about.
Look douche. "Nobody said..." as in "that was not part of the conversation between me and someone else" which YOU decided to chime into with unrelated remarks. And we were not talking about cyclical diets but the simple issues surrounding process of fat oxidation and fueling the brain while in a state of ketosis.

You apparently were replying to me - not within the context of anything i said, but in the context of something you said which I didn't even read - which made no sense to me being it had nothing to do with our discussion. And you are just regurgitating the usual bodybuilding board bullshit and dismiss some of the worlds foremost authorities on keto diets and cyclic keto diets (the two authors i mentioned specifically in addition to every medical study i could find was Dan Douchaine and Lyle McDonald, both who are experts on the topic) as "bro science". Odd that you are such an expert on the topic and have no idea who these people are.

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Wonderful, someone who manages to regurgitate "bro science" articles is going to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.:1orglaugh

The part that I bolded, I had to read again because either you are "slow", or you're committing a strawman. The carb up is BECAUSE of depleted glycogen levels, not TO deplete them. At least TRY to sound intelligent.
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That's not why you carb up after two weeks. It takes around that time to get into keto for the first time and deplete your glycogen levels..
No idea what "articles" you are talking about. I was talking about books on the topic by body builders and published studies by physicians and medical researchers.

Again, you said it took 2 weeks to get into ketosis - when it typically takes 48-72hrs. Anyone that has even done it knows that. A prime indication that you are a dipshit largely making things up as you go based off shit you skimmed from a board of overheard in locker rooms. Then you said you needed to Carb up after two weeks (the same point you say you are entering ketosis). Saying that basically, once you are FINALLY in ketosis, you then completely reverse the process and put yourself back to the beginning, requiring another two weeks (according to you) to get back into ketosis. More indication of your ignorance. Furthermore, cyclical diets are most typically done in 7 day cycles, not 14. 3 days to deplete glucose, 3 days to burn fat, 1 day to carb up and repeat. So again, you're lost. And all of that has nothing to do with the brain fog i mentioned that one will usually start to experience in the first two weeks or so due to your brain trying to adjust, down regulate and use a new fuel source. It goes hand in hand with being in ketosis.

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That's ok, it's too easy spotting an idiot, especially an idiot that's challenging your superior expertise.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Yeah... I have an education and you have a "certification" - so who could question you and your 4 week internet course you completed to be able to meet the insurance requirements to train people in a gym? Good god.

dyna mo 10-07-2010 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584336)
Let me dig around, its mostly in blurbs. I could totally be wrong, but based on my own body, I do way better at around 60g.

Peanut butter was a great energy source for me, made me feel great, but it doesn't completely sit right with my body.
if you get a chance and find some, that would be super. i love learning more about nutrition!

:thumbsup

dyna mo 10-07-2010 12:11 PM
also, i eat ~450g carbs daily. no starches though.

The Demon 10-07-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17584533)
Look douche. "Nobody said..." as in "that was not part of the conversation between me and someone else" which YOU decided to chime into with unrelated remarks. And we were not talking about cyclical diets but the simple issues surrounding process of fat oxidation and fueling the brain while in a state of ketosis.

You apparently were replying to me - not within the context of anything i said, but in the context of something you said which I didn't even read - which made no sense to me being it had nothing to do with our discussion. And you are just regurgitating the usual bodybuilding board bullshit and dismiss some of the worlds foremost authorities on keto diets and cyclic keto diets (the two authors i mentioned specifically in addition to every medical study i could find was Dan Douchaine and Lyle McDonald, both who are experts on the topic) as "bro science". Odd that you are such an expert on the topic and have no idea who these people are.





No idea what "articles" you are talking about. I was talking about books on the topic by body builders and published studies by physicians and medical researchers.

Again, you said it took 2 weeks to get into ketosis - when it typically takes 48-72hrs. Anyone that has even done it knows that. A prime indication that you are a dipshit largely making things up as you go based off shit you skimmed from a board of overheard in locker rooms. Then you said you needed to Carb up after two weeks (the same point you say you are entering ketosis). Saying that basically, once you are FINALLY in ketosis, you then completely reverse the process and put yourself back to the beginning, requiring another two weeks (according to you) to get back into ketosis. More indication of your ignorance. Furthermore, cyclical diets are most typically done in 7 day cycles, not 14. 3 days to deplete glucose, 3 days to burn fat, 1 day to carb up and repeat. So again, you're lost. And all of that has nothing to do with the brain fog i mentioned that one will usually start to experience in the first two weeks or so due to your brain trying to adjust, down regulate and use a new fuel source. It goes hand in hand with being in ketosis.



Yeah... I have an education and you have a "certification" - so who could question you and your 4 week internet course you completed to be able to meet the insurance requirements to train people in a gym? Good god.
You had to write an essay to show people your reading comprehension skills suck and to attempt a bunch of humorous yet simple minded insults? ROFL. Nice strawman arguments though.:1orglaugh

http://www.ipandora.net/wp-content/u.../epic_fail.jpg

Cory W 10-07-2010 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17584554)
if you get a chance and find some, that would be super. i love learning more about nutrition!

:thumbsup
I am pretty new to the realities of it all, to be honest. I never read GFY anymore, but when I did, this has been pretty much the only thread I cared about.

I just turned 35. When I was around 27, I started doing Atkins. I took a lot of crap from people. Lots of people telling me how unhealthy it was. What was strange? I felt and looked amazing. I had a bad issue with facial and stomach bloating and that all somewhat went away on Atkins (not full, but I got in about 4 good days week). Looking back, what actually happened was that I was minimizing things like Gluten that made my puffy and distended.

After that, I began realizing that my initial instincts were right, I just didn't know exactly why. Now I go by how my body feels and don't listen to popular beliefs. So I love this thread, and while debate has ensued, I consider it more of a like-minded affair.

Cory W 10-07-2010 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17584560)
also, i eat ~450g carbs daily. no starches though.
Are his carbs more or less what you would expect of him?

http://www.befreeforme.com/blog/?p=2110

dyna mo 10-07-2010 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17584580)
Are his carbs more or less what you would expect of him?

http://www.befreeforme.com/blog/?p=2110
yes.

while i am not sure what the gluten-free items consist of, he including grits and potatoes and rice into his diet.

and tons of fruit, which i am a big fan of. i am a bit surprised re: the amount of soy protein in his diet, as it is an incomplete protein.

but i like how he consumes mangosteen, it's a terrific berry loaded with antioxidants.

good article, thanks for sharing that.

jwerd 10-07-2010 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17584506)
Hey J, yeah Jen saw on your FB you were doing something similar :)

I'm not much of a coconut fan, but willing to try it out - thanks
awesome, yeah. it might be a little tastier than just cauliflower :p although i've learned to really enjoy heaps of veggies in my food now (main source of carb intake, actually).

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17584446)
Yea that's to be expected. I find my best workout day is the day after the carb up when my muscle glycogen levels are replenished. So Monday and Tuesday I would think. But yea generally on CKD you have to sacrifice some strength because of the lack of carbs/energy. That's why every 3 months I switch from CKD back to strength training.
How often do you do CKD? For how long?

I love the first carb up day...when I'm pumped up after the work out and fill my body with carbs...I feel huge at that moment.

TeenSluts 10-07-2010 12:59 PM
keto makes my piss smell reeaally bad

try some carb cycling when your lifting weights

andrej_NDC 10-07-2010 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TeenSluts (Post 17584794)
keto makes my piss smell reeaally bad

try some carb cycling when your lifting weights
Carb cycling is a nightmare...you need to calculate your carbs for every day in advance, then weight every food, its pretty much a full time job, you won't have time/energy for anything else. Its just too complicated with the same or even a little worse result than with CKD.

The Demon 10-07-2010 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 17584773)
How often do you do CKD? For how long?

I love the first carb up day...when I'm pumped up after the work out and fill my body with carbs...I feel huge at that moment.
I've been on CKD for almost 3 months now. I'm going as long as I need to get to 10% body fat (I'm at about 14% now). Before that I did strength training. I lost most of my gains in favor of supersets and fat loss so after CKD I'll get back on strength training.


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