Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 17579728)

I love exercise/diet threads on gfy :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17579104)

Fat to Glycerol to Glucose
500,000 results

http://www.google.com/search?q=+Fat+...ient=firefox-a

Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17579785)

Really? Search engine much? ;) You just searched for "Fat" and "glycerol" and "glucose" and "to" and brought up 500,000 random result which do not match your query.

If do it correctly and put the phrase in " " - you see only 2 result.

Fat is not converted to glucose and burned as glucose for energy. Glycerol is not glucose. They are both forms of sugar but glycerol only exists for a brief part of the WHOLE process and the final result is not glucose.

This is one argument against ketogenic diets - that your brain run on glucose and fat oxidation does not create glucose which is the prefered food for your brain. This is why when you starting ketogenic diets, it takes usually 2 weeks to adjust and you get foggy and cant think well... becuase you brain adapts to new fuel type (ketones)

Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17579785)

Really? Search engine much? ;) You just searched for "Fat" and "glycerol" and "glucose" and "to" and brought up 500,000 random result which do not match your query.

If do it correctly and put the phrase in " " - you see only 2 result.

Fat is not converted to glucose and burned as glucose for energy. Glycerol is not glucose. They are both forms of sugar but glycerol only exists for a brief part of the WHOLE process and the final result is not glucose.

This is one argument against ketogenic diets - that your brain run on glucose and fat oxidation does not create glucose which is the prefered food for your brain. This is why when you starting ketogenic diets, it takes usually 2 weeks to adjust and you get foggy and cant think well... becuase you brain adapts to new fuel type (ketones)

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17579797)

100% on point.. thats how i felt when i went ketogenic.. so i added a few carbs everyday and i feel much much better. thanks for chiming in man....

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17579847)

Question for you all. I eat alot of spinich, mostly as a salad. Chicken breast on top of baby spnich. However I buy the baby spinich that comes in those bags, is that OK or should I buy the stuff not in bags?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17579855)

this?

http://www.homestyle.com.au/Images/h...pinach-bag.jpg

it's perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17579841)

. and your brain can use ketones in addition to glucose

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17579873)

:thumbsup

Dyna mo you are the man! Been learning alot from you. I dont need to lose alot, about 10lbs but you've helped me alot. Cheers

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17579900)

a quick search does reveal that the brain can get energy from ketones, good to know!

The brain gets its energy from ketone bodies when glucose is less available (e.g., when fasting). In the event of low blood glucose, most other tissues have additional energy sources besides ketone bodies (such as fatty acids), but the brain does not. After the diet has been changed to lower blood glucose for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies.[4] After about 40 days, this goes up to 70% (during the initial stages the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain). In time the brain reduces its glucose requirements from 120g to 40g per day.[5]

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17579812)

i'm going to let you slide on your comment stating ketones are energy for the brain.

(ketones are by-products of converting stored fat for energy)

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17579900)

a quick search does reveal that the brain can get energy from ketones, good to know!

The brain gets its energy from ketone bodies when glucose is less available (e.g., when fasting). In the event of low blood glucose, most other tissues have additional energy sources besides ketone bodies (such as fatty acids), but the brain does not. After the diet has been changed to lower blood glucose for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies.[4] After about 40 days, this goes up to 70% (during the initial stages the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain). In time the brain reduces its glucose requirements from 120g to 40g per day.[5]

Originally Posted by D-Money (Post 17577959)

Anyway, good job with the diet. Do you have to piss on the stick to see if you're in ketosis? I remember doing that, the stick turns blue or something if you're in ketosis. Pretty weird to piss on a stick every day.

Originally Posted by xxweekxx (Post 17577964)

why skinless? get the damn skin in there for the chicken.. its a great source of fat.. why would u eat bacon, then not wanna eat chicken with skin??

p/s read that link i gave u.. the best way is to eat some carbs every day so that your body doesnt have to convert protein into carbs.. your brain does need some carbs and your body can make it, but its easier to provide it to prevent muscle catabolism unless you are eating a shit load of protein already

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17577969)

You gotta check out some of the keto recipes on the bodybuilding forum. They're phenomenal.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17577978)

Yea I suppose that'll work. Just watch carefully if your 2nd week of lifting isn't as "fulfilling" as the 1st. If it isn't, you'll know why. If it is, more power to you. I wish I didn't need a carb up day.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17577992)

right on. you've got it all squared away, if i were you i would not mess with my diet in the slightest, it's working.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580028)

Lots of people do, but I don't bother with checking. I do get the metallic taste in my mouth often which is one of the signs of ketosis; I think as my carbs are extremely low, and I'm visually losing fat, as long as that continues I don't need to worry about using stix to check my progress.

Congrats on yours as well and yeah if keto didn't work for you to stick with, everyone si different. I'm finding this kind of diet extremely easy to eat, even eating out often.



Skinless mostly for convenience, almost every grocery store here sells them skinless; rarely do I see breasts with skin unless you buy a whole chicken OR go for some of the marinated types that I'm not a fan of (prefer to make them myself how I like).

I have read through the link you posted, it does slightly go against other stuff I have read, but I'm not qualified to really say who's right or wrong in that whole debate (and the one here between you and dyna mo / the demon) - so for the moment at least, I will stick with what's working for me.

Aside from the first few days, I actually have a lot more energy, sharper brain and am even waking up much earlier than I used to (I used to hate mornings). So it would appear at least my brain is getting the glucose it needs at this time.



I have been, have a list of some to try out :)



Yeah I'll be starting the lifting next week - so we'll see after a few weeks how it goes. I plan to follow a 5x5 routine I found, increasing weight 2.5 lbs per week.



The only change I am planning to make (aside from adding in the pre and post workout meals) is to try and make every meal be 65/30/5 and spread the fibre out more as opposed to lots of fat in one meal, then little in another, then lots in another, etc... just to see if that improves anything.

Originally Posted by mizmiz (Post 17578807)

Can you point me to some articles on it?

Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA (Post 17578852)

Dude you are in Costa Rica,
bang 4 whores a night thats your cardio.

Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17578929)

When I first discovered I had an issue with Gluten, I slid in and out of keto due to finding issues with other foods and struggling to find the right foods. In my findings, I function my absolute best (mood, energy, focus) with around 30 to 50 grams of carbs a day. I usually eat a banana or two and sometimes black beans. I also eat a lot of spinach. Sometimes I have corn chips. But mostly I have found that if you will just stay away from processed foods (namely go paleo), you will lose weight and feel 100 times better.

The gluten is what my springboard was, but now its actually secondary to issues with processed foods.

I like this article, I have found I relate my struggle and eventual resolutions to it. I lost 35lbs. But its way more about how I feel, my skin, my general mood, and my focus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5021601

And congrats on the weight loss.

Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17579025)

You didn't lose "mostly fat" - when you deplete glucose stores because you stopped to eat carbohydrates, you become dehydrated because you retard you ability to store water (with glucose). You lost mostly water. Going forward, you will lose mostly fat.

Originally Posted by rewn (Post 17579921)

keto is not very healthy, try something like p90x

Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 17579943)

before and after pics?

Originally Posted by Alky (Post 17580026)

i didn't read the entire thread, but you should be eating more then 12 carbs a day on keto.... just make sure they are from fiber.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17580057)

good stuff, which 5x5 are you going with?

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580087)

BurningHeart's one posted at bodybuilding.com, that won their 5x5 competition. Looked through it and seems like a good place to start, also fits my schedule:

Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri (as I have Wed for hockey and the weekend to rest/relax/activities).

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17580109)

right on, i'm not familiar with that one, i will read up on it. i wasn't aware of a 4 day 5x5.

i'm in month 2 of the madcow 5x5 and love it, crazy hard work.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580115)

I see on her guide, at the bottom it points to Madcow's if you are an advanced trainer - so her's is probably more for beginner/intermediate.

Originally Posted by Cory W (Post 17580135)

How many calories a day do you keto guys get?

I struggle getting the supposed daily caloric limit on non-processed.

Originally Posted by bossku69 (Post 17580146)

congrats man :thumbsup

ive done this diet a few times and pretty difficult to do when you are traveling frequently... people always look at you weird when you order 8 sides of bacon and a water

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 17577819)

I have a question...

just what the fuck are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17580087)

BurningHeart's one posted at bodybuilding.com, that won their 5x5 competition. Looked through it and seems like a good place to start, also fits my schedule:

Mon, Tues, Thurs, Fri (as I have Wed for hockey and the weekend to rest/relax/activities).

Originally Posted by minicivan (Post 17579826)

Best book on the subject is The Ketogenic Diet by Lyle McDonald for explaining the real science of it, backed by peer reviewed medical studies... not just random and wrong opinions of "bros". Even if you go to big bodybuilding forums, you get as much shitty and wrong info as you would get if you asked how to rank number 1 in google for "porn" on this forum. 1,000,000 people has opinions but only 10 people are doing it... of those 10, only 3 did it on purpose ;)