http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nut...-you-need.html

Actually, the real reason bodybuilders on low carbs worry is because their lifts don't keep going up or even staying the same, which is why they go on low carb diets for a short period just to get that "ripped" look.

no sir.. fat cannot be converted to glucose :error:error:error

listen we are all arguing about the same thing.. all im saying is your brain needs a small amount of glucose, so do your muscles... EVERYDAY! if you do not provide that glucose one way or another, your body will convert dietary protein, then muscle protein, into the glucose it needs.

im all with you guys, im also a low carber, im 60% fat, 30-35% protein, and 5% carbs..


i eat about 200 calories of carbs a day, about 2000 calories from fat, then 1000 calories from protein.. something like that

i found out when i added the 200-300 calories of carbs a day, it was little so my body still burned fat for energy, but it made a huge difference.. i stopped being foggy brained, weak, my muscles looked fuller, i had more energy, and i was still lean as fuck..

people keep forgetting the body is a machine.. if you get "thrown out of ketosis", but subsequently end up feeding your body only fat/protein the next day, what do u think it'll burn?? the fat! the body burns whatever you feed it.. you dont have to struggle and pee on keto sticks to keep your body burning fat... just feed it a little carb and MAX out the fat, and it'll burn it..

ive researched done keto/low carb for over a year now.. so im not just pulling shit out of my ass..

i was on keto for 3 months, i felt weak, my brain felt foggy, then i started eating some baked sweet potatoes everyday.. around 200-300 calories worth.. i felt 10000 times better.. i had more energy.. i didnt have to refeed or any of that.. and i looked great..

do you think our ancestors had to do carb up days after chasing a wild rabbit in the forest?? nah man.. i try to eat like our ancestors ate.. they valued the marrow/fat/organs of animals..

so i eat a lot of fat, some protein, and some carbs... problem is our ancestors had wild fruits/berries, not the modified bananas/apples full of sugar we have now.. the wild fruits had a LOT less sugar...

i'm not here to argue.

nowhere in that article does it say that fats are directly converted to glucose....and i saw that article too. your dumbass didnt even bother to read the article.. it just sounded cool so u posted it...

like i said, fat is not converted to glucose in the body.. it is burned/stored....

If it were that easy, then you wouldnt have to carb up or eat carbs pre-workout.. you'd just let your body convert the fat to glucose...

This is primary school 101.. GLucose > Glycogen... Fat>Adipose tissue....

i dont even know why im arguing this with you.. anyone who went to grade school knows fat cannot be converted to glucose/glycogen

Actually its 11 grams. :2 cents::2 cents:

wow, name calling over the topic. aren't you a delight, too bad you can't discuss it in a reasonable, mature fashion.


I figured you already understood glycolysis enough to see the point of that article.

fact is, atkins diet and keto diets are built on the fact the body converts stored fat to glucose.

NO they are built on the fact your body converts stored fat to ENERGY

you seem to be confusing energy and glucose buddy.. thats what i think the problem is....

ENERGY = ATP..

Here:

Why can't fatty acids be converted directly to glucose??


When fatty acids are oxidized, the acetyl-CoA can enter the Krebs cycle, and one would think that the oxaloacetate generated by the Krebs cycle could be converted to acetyl-CoA, which could then be converted to pyruvate for gluconeogenesis. This can't happen, though, because even though oxaloacetate is made, there is no net increase in oxaloacetate (two carbons are lost in the Krebs cycle for every two in the acetyl-CoA coming in). Oxaloacetate can't be taken out of the cycle, then, because then the cycle would be depleted and the only way to replenish it is through one of the anapleoritic reactions, which involve products of glycolysis (PEP and pyruvate). If there is enough PEP or pyruvate around to replenish the oxaloacetate you're taking out to make glucose, chances are you don't need to make glucose in the first place. Pyruvate from glucose or amino acids can be used to make sugars before it is converted to acetyl-CoA, but the pyruvate dehydrogenase complex reaction is irreversible, so once pyruvate is made into acetyl-CoA it cannot be used to make glucose; it is committed to either fatty acid synthesis or the Krebs cycle.


Plants can make glucose from fatty acids, but this is only because they are able to use the glyoxlyate cycle instead of the Krebs cycle. The glyoxylate cycle bypasses the step in the Krebs cycle (the alpha-ketoglutarate dehydrogenase step) in which the two carbons are lost as CO2, so when plant acetyl-CoA enters the glyoxylate cycle there IS a net increase in oxaloacetate which can be used to make pyruvate.

atkins is build on premises that with enough carb restriction, the body would burn fat for energy, instead of burning carbs for energy... is it making sense now?

carbs = glucose.. energy =/ glucose

again, i'm not here to argue. i honestly couldn't care less what you understand or don't understand about it all. your comment about fruit sugar leads me to believe you don't have a good understanding of the topic though, on top of not understanding how a keto diet or atkins diet works.

sorry to the OP for going off topic, congrats again on the fat loss and i would not change anything up with your diet, it's working.

Congrats on your weight loss that great

right.. my comment is on point.. wild fruits have a lot less sugar than our modern day fruits..

and also fat cannot be converted to glucose in the body.. those 2 statements are true..

enjoy the weight loss OP

naaaa. Just work out hard for couple hours a day and eat whatever you want.

how does the "KETO" diet affect muscle tissue? Im in pretty good shape with years of muscle building behind me. Have some fat around the belly that I just seem to have problems getting rid of. But do not want to burn muscles.

Anyone know? Also, is there a good site anyone can recommend with the KETO diet on?

Thanks in advance.

Dyno Mo, is that you in your avatar?

If so, I'll take your advice on this topic any time.

thanks man!

yup, that me, i should post my before pic, lol.

btw, if you are interested in a super healthy food, please sign up for a free package of my superfoods cereal at www.facebook.com/takechargefood or hit up your buddy j$tyles for some.

Can you point me to some articles on it?

Dude you are in Costa Rica,
bang 4 whores a night thats your cardio.

Eat only meat and drink moderate scotch/tequila.

Winstrol V and Clenbutrenol.

Weights in afternoon.

When I first discovered I had an issue with Gluten, I slid in and out of keto due to finding issues with other foods and struggling to find the right foods. In my findings, I function my absolute best (mood, energy, focus) with around 30 to 50 grams of carbs a day. I usually eat a banana or two and sometimes black beans. I also eat a lot of spinach. Sometimes I have corn chips. But mostly I have found that if you will just stay away from processed foods (namely go paleo), you will lose weight and feel 100 times better.

The gluten is what my springboard was, but now its actually secondary to issues with processed foods.

I like this article, I have found I relate my struggle and eventual resolutions to it. I lost 35lbs. But its way more about how I feel, my skin, my general mood, and my focus.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5021601

And congrats on the weight loss.

You didn't lose "mostly fat" - when you deplete glucose stores because you stopped to eat carbohydrates, you become dehydrated because you retard you ability to store water (with glucose). You lost mostly water. Going forward, you will lose mostly fat.

And fat is not converted to glucose.

thank you for confirming that statement.. ive been preaching it and dynamo keeps doubting me.. this is nutrition 101.. u cant convert fat to glucose..

exactly what i said one page back.. i eat raw paleo and do best on around 30-50g of carbs a day.. do u eat raw paleo?

i eat raw meat/back fat/marrow..

how about u?

Atkins Research Center has discovered that aspartame inhibits your body from converting stored fat into glucose.

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The body can convert 10% of dietary fat into glucose
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Well, mine is sort of a mess, but since we are talking about it, I will break it down : )

I started learning that many processed foods really beat me up, so it was never really a weight loss thing. It was bloating, rashes, irritability, lack of focus. Those were the main issues I sought to remedy.

So I did an elimination diet. I did meat, veg, fruit. Nothing more, nothing less. Knowing Gluten was already the mother of all my issues, meaning, when I eat it, everything goes to hell, I learned that the following effected me: Soy (pretty much knew that already), Dairy (knew that), Fructose (this was the wildcard), anything that's super processed with high reined sugars....

So while I do paleo, I have to watch the fructose. Bananas, Grapefruit, oranges, certain veg, are fine. But at the end of the day, I found myself slightly below my carb bar. So I tried out black beans. I don't think black beans are on the paleo list? I also will eat the corn chips (the 3 ingredient ones).

I do not eat any sauces, I eat plane chicken breast. I eat salmon. I eat boiled eggs. Bananas. Spinach. Black beans. And an array of modest veggies.

So yeah, that's pretty much where I stand. I'd say its paleo, but maybe not by exact specification. Everyone speaks of carbs, but I always try to tell people that things like gluten will keep weight on way more than carbs. Refined sugars, as well. I believe its way more about what you are putting in your body, more than its about how much.

The times I went keto was due to lacking a food I could eat because I was forced to eliminate it. I felt better once I was able to put the bananas back in. I felt even better when I was able to add in some black beans.

And when you say "raw," are you speaking to the cooking process?

I lightly cook all veg. I have wanted to try it without, but have not went that road yet.

Anabolism and catabolism of glucose


Glucose metabolism involves both energy-producing (catabolic, shown in orange) and energy-consuming (anabolic, shown in green) processes.

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http://oi54.tinypic.com/209n9lx.jpg

yeah.. i actually eat raw muscle meats/ fats/ eggs.. i dont cook anything at all.. feel so much better with raw meat then cooked meat..

just make sure if u r gonna go this route u buy 100% grassfed beef and pasture raised eggs.. and google raw paleo and read up before attempting..

and dynamo ok u win.. :1orglaugh im not gonna waste hours arguing.. our body converts all the fat/alcohol/sperm/ to glucose.. happy?

anyway raw paleo is the shit

I have heard this before, I undercook pork if I buy it at Whole Foods.

What is the idea behind this? You just get more vitamins? As opposed to heating the meat up? And isn't it tough to chew?

I'd like to find anyone who went to grade school, who knows this piece of information, nevermind the fact that it's false.

there is a lot of bad/mis information out there, from fruit being bad for you to where glucose comes from. being diabetic for 26 years, i've spents a lot of time trying to understand glucose through my meetings with nutritionists, doctors, nurse practitioners and reading. so i'm up for learning everything i can, this isn't an argument from my point of view, i'd hoped it to be a discussion where peeps, including me can learn.


i have no issues with being wrong/updating my knowledge. but i've yet to have any info presented to me that shows the info i've provided, that the body can and does convert fat to glucose, is incorrect.

For sure you're right Dynamo. I've heard the "broscience" behind xxweekxx's posts numerous times and there's no real evidence for it.

This guy eats a ton of carbs daily:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/91/25...1475ee.jpg?v=0

broscience? i said protein CAN be converted to glucose in the absence of carbs if your muscles need it and u said its bro science..

at least dynamo can confirm that one is true.. PROTEIN is converted to glucose at an efficiency of 50%~ish

broscience, that's good! lolz.

we all should be able to get along, obviously we have the same interests. we're talking about some pretty complicated science.