attitues changing in the business..webmaster vs sponsor

[Phoenix]

when i first got into the business, it seemed that landing any webmaster was a good thing.

Traffic was traffic, and the more you got the better.

with the spread of free content to the point that unless you want high quality stuff, you can now find almost anything on the tubes...it has certainly changed the landscape

the new breed of sponsor undercut the old group...they cast out 200 million to make 20 million...just throwing numbers out there.

now with the industry changing again, it seems sponsors now feel it is a privilege to work with them...some are certainly free to think that...its a free country and all that.


however, that now makes them feel like whatever they do is correct...so say someone owes you 6k or so, and just says...fuck you...we aren't paying, because of another circumstance....and in the same breath..says in a couple weeks...we have something else you can push though..lol (they believe this is ok, i seriously think they do)

is that the privileged part? the part where they fuck you in the ass, and then want more business...i mean sending them business for years, was a charity act from them i guess...they didnt make a fortune off it or anything.....its a privilege to work with them right?

beware who you send your joins to people

there is an active under current to show as many people as possible the door it seems these days.

[Alprazolam]

time for affiliates to get off the high horse. it's a 50/50 road now. like it or not.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

time for affiliates to get off the high horse. it's a 50/50 road now. like it or not.

50/50 on everything would be fine with me

but since that isnt the case..pps will be around

dont need ridiculously high payouts...just good conversions

[Alprazolam]

i feel yah. keep up the good fight man.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

beware who you send your joins to people

Good advice.

[wild johnny]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

beware who YOU send YOUR joins to people

I agree too, very good summary and advice.

[topsiteking]

Originally Posted by wild johnny

I agree too, very good summary and advice.

True that.

[Agent 488]

kill or be killed.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Alprazolam

time for affiliates to get off the high horse. it's a 50/50 road now. like it or not.

how is a sponsor not paying an affiliate a 50/50 road? Really now. If you want to change the terms, pay what is owed and change the terms. This bullshit where sponsors hold a few thousand dollars for some bullshit excuse then offer the affiliate another thing they can promote is ridiculous. WHy in the fuck would you want to promote anything from teh guys who just screwed you for thousands in owed commissions? CJ/Godaddy pulled that shit on me for $3k. Froze all my commissions and told me I was welcome to continue promoting them. FUCK THAT. Eventually I did get paid months later, still not going to promote them again...

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

50/50 on everything would be fine with me

but since that isnt the case..pps will be around

dont need ridiculously high payouts...just good conversions

Exactly, mainstream commissions are even lower. Anywhere from 4-15% usually, and that is fine, at least the shit sells...

[Alprazolam]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

how is a sponsor not paying an affiliate a 50/50 road? Really now. If you want to change the terms, pay what is owed and change the terms. This bullshit where sponsors hold a few thousand dollars for some bullshit excuse then offer the affiliate another thing they can promote is ridiculous. WHy in the fuck would you want to promote anything from teh guys who just screwed you for thousands in owed commissions? CJ/Godaddy pulled that shit on me for $3k. Froze all my commissions and told me I was welcome to continue promoting them. FUCK THAT. Eventually I did get paid months later, still not going to promote them again...

ask anyone who promotes any program. they all do shady shit. the same programs who are giving away everyone's shit are the same ones that many of the retards around here pat on the back every chance they get.

fake motherfuckers.

[Va2k]

Wow something I agree with here! But a lot of aff's want you to give them everything build them everything host everything and collect the money! We have been around for over 8 years and it's always 50% sometimes we even go up to 65% and add trials if asked! We have a lot of good things and mores coming! Just don't make sense anymore the way it has gotten!

[fatfoo]

It is true that longer existence allows time to separate people into the ones that pay and the ones that don't pay.

[Allison]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

50/50 on everything would be fine with me

but since that isnt the case..pps will be around

dont need ridiculously high payouts...just good conversions

given certain trends, seems like pps is the way to go. What happened to lifetime payouts on revshare when those programs cut out? And others who cut people from 60 to 25%

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by Allison

given certain trends, seems like pps is the way to go. What happened to lifetime payouts on revshare when those programs cut out? And others who cut people from 60 to 25%

I'd still go with revshare. for a couple reasons. pps programs shave like fucking mad. and you only need 2 or 3 rebills to hit what most PPS pay out. odds are you'll outlast 2 or 3 months before the program shafts you out of of your revshare. even if they do drop you down to a lower revshare, it's still better than zero...

[Agent 488]

revshare sucks balls. makes no sense anymore. the only people rebilling now are people who died and their relatives are keeping their cc alive in a ruse to hide their death and collect their pension payments.

don't feel bad for the program, they are raping the card and personal info in every way to pay for it.

[Agent 488]

revshare worked in 2005. it's almost 2011. then 2012 comes and i am out out of this dimension anyways.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

revshare sucks balls. makes no sense anymore. the only people rebilling now are people who died and their relatives are keeping their cc alive in a ruse to hide their death and collect their pension payments.

don't feel bad for the program, they are raping the card and personal info in every way to pay for it.

People are still rebilling fairly well actually. Don't forget that average price points are higher these days. In the past $19.95 was most common. Now $29.95 is very common with some going for $39.95 with certain niches. 50/50 revshare with a $29.95 price point is $15. All they need to do is rebill once to break even with a $30 PPS.

Many revshare programs have a $79.95 - $99.95 1 year option. Get a few of these and it adds up quickly. I LOVE those along with the guys who rebill for over a year. What's really awesome are the few who do yearly or quarterly recurring....I love those too.

[Blingbaby]

We were getting raped by programs in 2000 you are still getting raped, what's changed exactly??

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

I'm still collecting CCBill checks right on time every time, and I haven't even had a site live in in probably a solid 5 months. Probably been around ayear and a half at least since I even actively promoted anything adult beyond that. Can't argue the revshare model in my mind. If someone is willing to pay for the first month, and you're promoting a product with value, they will be willing to signup a second month. Go with revshare.

[Paul Markham]

Sitting on the side lines and observing this is what I saw.

In the beginning it was a mad rush to get any affiliate to throw up galleries, links or anything else. If he sent 1 sign up a month or 1 a day it was all good. If he sent 50 a day he commanded his price. Everyone believed;

The more free content on the Net = the more sign ups there to be got.

The cost was high and the direction it took the Adult Net was not customer friendly. Pop ups, trading, scamming to pay for traffic, sites full of crap content (even if it was exclusive) led to customer dis satisfaction. The only thing holding it together was the lack of options the customer had.

Then Tubes blew the whole thing out of the water.

They showed traffic was the easiest thing in the world to get. Within a couple of years they went from very little to millions of hits per day. And sign ups went the other way. All without spending a fortune to get traffic. Traffic doesn't - sign ups!!!!

It suddenly became obvious the more free content given out the less sign ups got. It only worked if you could keep ahead in the sign ups race and that was tough and expensive. Now it's prohibitive in cost to try to stay on top. The Tubes do it for peanuts.

The adult Net has to change. Customers have to be God, King and Queen to keep them. Sites HAVE to compete with Tubes. It's no good throwing up another site full of content that's the same as 100 other sites, even if it is exclusive it's still the same old stuff. And it's to be found in bucket loads for free.

The reason why few customers retain today is so fucking obvious it's a joke. The content isn't fucking good enough to keep him for another month. Who expects a member to stay to see more of the same cheap content that's already on the site? No matter how much you add, if just with another girl going through the same motions as the girls already on the site, would you stay?

All sites have suffered because of Tubes, the ones giving their members a bit more have suffered less and those giving the customer a lot more have suffered less still. And by a bit more I don't mean numbers.

[Agent 488]

paul we can't go back to vhs tapes and mags in plastic bags. move on dude.

[tranza]

Name names..........

[FuzzyDunlop]

You have some value points. We value our affiliates and work with them to make the mist out of heir traffic. I will say that of every 10 affiliates that submit an application to join our program we only approve 1.
I would love to approve more however most just don't reply to the email we send out asking fir additional information.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

paul we can't go back to vhs tapes and mags in plastic bags. move on dude.

99% of the people in the adult Internet business would love to turn the clock back 5 years. Even 2 years would please them. So your comment is stupid.

Back in the days of VHS tapes and Mags in plastic covers, we didn't give away the shop to scrape a sale. The Internet invented that.

[Rochard]

This industry has changed. Ten years ago any affiliate was a good affiliate who would send tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of hits a day - and a fair number of joins daily. These days good affiliates are hard to come by.

Sponsors aren't much better. The entry barrier couldn't be any lower; Anyone with a few thousand bucks can open up a website and a program.

[flashfire]

I am very careful who I send traffic to these days but the places I do have been great to work with as usual