Read:
Key words: "straight" down? Vertical "descents"? "Asymmetry"?

In other words, maybe one of the only three buildings ever to collapse from fire in the history of steel skyscraper construction could go straight down like a demolition against all odds. But three? Impossible.

If such collapses were possible - they would go down non-symmetrically, topple, crash sideways, tilt... not drop straight down.

IF pancaking weren't already discounted, by NIST most notably, then they shouldn't have crumbled completely down to their base - they would have stopped at some point and left a huge stack of concrete floors, not pulverized dust and match-stick piles of steel beams.

:D

I, simply pointed out that media wackos were forced to call an orb 'the plane'. That simple fact, raises reasonable doubt about the official 911 myth. Controlled demo is far more complicated and has plenty of room for debate and spin. The weird object is the just that, a weird orb with no wings or propeller.

good point. some minor diplomatic brouhaha can't be concealed nowadays, but there is not one hint of a conspiracy that needed the coordinated efforts of hundreds if not thousands from all sectors of society in the data dumps and leaks.

to believe in 9/11 conspiracies in this day and age is about the same as believing in the easter bunny or jesus.

Controlled Demolition

The Globalist Bankers and their Shadow Government. It was to commence The War on Terror i.e. a war on the Middle East and on the rights and freedom of Westerners

This is a thread that's just debating the basics as to if the official story is true or not, the conclusion is actually very complex and would require much reading, but not in threads like this. Kennedy was about to get rid of the Federal Reserve and he was keen to stop Israel's nuclear program; Hollywood deliberately try to confuse people.

The Shadow Government are not as careless as our own governments. The Bankers who they work for are ruthless. Every now and then there's a weak link, like when Nick Rockefeller told Aaron Russo (RIP) about 9/11 and the Globalist Agenda.

Rockefeller Reveals 9/11 FRAUD to Aaron Russo

There are certain laws that come in to effect during 'attacks' like 9/11. It can be difficult to report what you actually believe.


Wikileaks is actually a tentacle of the House of Rothschild (via their agent Soros), it's their tool for taking out powerful people who they don't have full control of.

^^^:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orgla ugh:1orglaughHoly shit, dude, you're fucking insane!

it's an intellectual dead end. look at the people who obsess about this stuff. you would progress your intellectual development more studying phrenology instead.

Anything is possible. It's not like I wasn't in the military.

Media Guy and I debate on the boards about this, and we both believe what we believe, but secretly we still chat on ICQ and I still consider him a friend.

The towers fell because the floors pancaked onto each other. The floors fell down; The floors didn't tip over. The building collapsed into itself.

Your asking the right questions...

1) Why? No one can give me a good reason. There's no fucking oil in Afghanistan, and the potential pipeline they talk about STILL hasn't been built. No one wanted to invade Afghanistan.

2) Where are the people that did this? Somewhere along the line if the planes were controlled by remote control and the towers taken down by demolition, there would have to be dozens involved. Let's just say the planes were remotely controlled - Are you saying the plane took off with no pilots? Who flew the planes by remote control? Who installed that hardware? Who wired up the towers with explosives? That must have been a massive job that would have taken weeks and attracted a lot notice... One would think that just ONE of these people would come forward and be a national hero for the rest of his life.

impossible to debate any of these types. if you counteract any of their claims with an explanation, they don't acknowledge it but just move on to half a dozen other unrelated "anomalies." that is their method of argumentation as witnessed in this thread.

of course you can't also debate with someone who is suffering from visual schizophrenic hallucinations. as seeing what is clearly a plane as something other.

A group of people attached bombs to every floor of a huge, crowded building. A huge fucking plane flew into the tower. Damaged i don't know how much floors. BUT didn't damage the bombs, not the wires connecting them all together. And then from somewhere outside someone was able to let the first bomb explode directly beneath the floor where the plane entered.
Yes, that makes so much sense. That must be the solution. Because that is way more likely than a building collapsing because of massive damage.


The fantasyworld of the average conspiracy nut.

The most insane, ridiculous, near impossible things are the most likely in their fucked up little fantasy world.
And a huge plane that takes down a building because of massive damage and fire, that's impossible according to them.

The stupidity...it's just neverending

Ors, ufo's, remote controled planes, missiles, 1000's of people involved, the media involved etc etc. It is no problem whatsoever to the truther. Think of the most ridiculous conspiracy and the truther will call it plausible. But a bunch of jihadmuslims hijacking a plane and flying it into a tower which results in a collapse of that tower. No, that's impossible. That is 100% impossible to these people.

Ironically, due to the war, companies that were supposed to build oil and gas pipelines through the region gave up on the idea. I guess the conspiracy isn't working out as planned.

"In 2010, US and Afghan government officials estimated that untapped mineral deposits located in 2007 by the US Geological Survey are worth between $900 bn and $3 trillion"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan

It also makes attacking Iran a lot easier

Please don't entertain morons like johnny and wehateporn anymore. It's really just a huge waste of your time and can do nothing but drag you down to their level.

Like most of us, I don't know one way or the other what REALLY happened, or more importantly, WHY, but just for shits and giggles, what can an organized group of people do for just a mere 4.6 BILLION DOLLAR$?

I've heard of plenty of stories about people who intentionally torch their own properties, cars, or businesses just to get out from under the debt, or more nefariously, to profit from insurance fraud. Sometimes an innocent person or two may die in such a plot, but they happen every single day.

Now let's pretend you stand to get out from under a bad investment PLUS pocket $4.6 BILLION in insurance money - what do you consider "impossible" ?

4.6 BILLION DOLLARS - $4,600,000,000.00

That's one big fucking lottery payout. This guy must be the luckiest man on Earth...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...lverstein.html

yeah it's totally impossible to believe that someone would insure a massive real estate investment. a total smoking gun right there.

It's impossible for you to debate against facts, so you ignore them. You can't counteract any of your claims with evidence because you have only fake evidence. You don't acknowledge facts, but move on to a half dozen things that have nothing to do with those facts that you must dodge." That is your method of argumentation as witnessed in this thread.

Of course you can't debate because you are suffering from visual schizophrenic hallucinations. As is proven by your inability to prove that an orb is anything other than an orb.:1orglaugh

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/a...GIFSoupcom.gif

so you try and counteract me with a gif of what is clearly a plane, that anyone who is not mentally ill will see as a plane.

discussing anything with you is as logical as debating string theory with a retard eating ice cream and wetting his pants in the middle of the food court.

you are fucking insane. take your meds and stop harassing people in public.

here's what happened:

19 radical muslims who hate our freedoms, four of whom supposedly flew the planes but couldn't even fly a kite.:1orglaugh They didn't fly planes simultaneously or hijack shit and didn't bat 875. That's would be 7-8.:2 cents: four different airplanes, stood down NORAD, hit three of their four targets, and took down 3 buildings with 2 planes...all while not even being on the flight lists while conspiring with a bearded man in a cave, with no laptop.:1orglaugh

so you try and counteract the facts with a gif of what is clearly a boeing, that anyone who is not mentally ill will see is a plane. There isn't one.:thumbsup

discussing anything with you is as logical as debating string theory with a retard eating ice cream and wetting his pants in the middle of the food court.:1orglaugh You are talking to yourself, you fool.:thumbsup

Looks like an airplane to me.

Could you make it a little bit more fuzzy? Yeah, that would help.

Then post a real plane next to it, if you think so.

My kid can fly a fucking airplane. Does it all the time on Flight Sim. With a small amount of flight training, anyone can fly a plane into a building. Might not be able to land or take off, but anyone can hit a tall building.

NORAD didn't stand down. NORAD didn't even get the call until it was too late.

Did flight 175 circle the towers in its final seconds? Did a 500 mph jet circle the towers before impacting the southeast corner of tower 2? Because that's what much of the fake footage shows.

listen retard, if everyone sees a plane but you, what does that say about your mental state?

Listen retard, the news anchors who saw it live either didn't see it, or mistook for a chopper, and only called it a plane afterward. There's no possibility it could be a plane or chopper.

A complete cock up indeed, China were never meant to get their hands on this. If China get a contract we're told it's bribes and corruption, then ministers are replaced with ones who will give future contracts to Western firms. Chinese firms are clearly unacceptable buyers

"The corruption that is already rampant in the Karzai government could also be amplified by the new wealth, particularly if a handful of well-connected oligarchs, some with personal ties to the president, gain control of the resources. Just last year, Afghanistan’s minister of mines was accused by American officials of accepting a $30 million bribe to award China the rights to develop its copper mine. The minister has since been replaced. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/14/wo...ewanted=1&_r=1

Who knows... who knows.... ?????



https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2jylj37aA

Lots of oddities. Plenty of coincidences.

Very strange indeed.

Definition of a Conspiracy Theorist = Someone who questions the information presented by confirmed liars.

The mineral deposits weren't discovered until 2007, though, We invaded Afghanistan in 2001. Here's another quote from that same article:

I'm quoting the article that he posted. Either the article is truthful or it isn't. You can't use one piece of it to support your point and dismiss the rest. Besides, China still has the mining contract, the article is irrelevant.

That's the standard MO for these lunatics. Mediaguy completely dismisses most of the NIST report and then later quotes parts of it to back up his crazy theories. It's absolutely amazingly stupid.

You posted a video where the news anchor said "There's police helicopters buzzing around, and, oh, another plane just hit".

Why not?

All of these fuckers had some degree of flight training. It's not difficult to fly a plane - Throttle, joystick, left is left, right is right, forward is down, back is up. Once an airplane is up in the air it's simple.

And when your aiming for the tallest building on the skyline that's over two hundred feet wide...

I worked on the airport ramp for years, thanks for posting all the images of the 767 rracy, it certainly convinced me it was really an actual 767.

when do the hollow earth aliens come into this tho?

yea its very easy.

:1orglaugh

Amazing, just amazing...

Dirty F won't put you on ignore, RRACY. He's having way too much fun in all of this.

Actually i did. Even i have my limits. I like to mess with fools but this guy is just 100% insane. Nothing funny about it anymore. Just annoying as fuck :1orglaugh

That is clearly a plane. You want to see an orb so that's what you see. I would love to see an orb and view a real smoking gun, but it's just a plane flying through and a crappy recording. Nothing more.

I have no doubt two planes hit those towers. WHY they hit them, I don't know. Do I believe Arabs with box cutters could take over multiple jets and with little flight experience fly them into targets... not really. But it doesn't matter what happened, nothing will change even if the truth turns out to be that Bush himself ordered it.

That said, Building 7 and the Pentagon are both worth looking into more. I do not believe the official reports on either of them. I don't have the answer, I just don't believe the reports based on the information I have seen so far. That said, even if it turns out Bush ordered a scud into the Pentagon and blew up building 7 with his bare hands, it wouldn't even matter. Americans are so lost and full of fear, they don't even know how to protest properly. "Peace" won't get them anywhere in today's climate except maced in the face and arrested while they cry "police brutality' for their YouTube video. How's "Occupy FAIL" working out for those pansy asses anyway?

Anyway... back to the point of the post, that's a plane.

Isn't it a little odd that two of the largest nations on earth have both gone to war with this tiny, uneducated, totally undeveloped country that just so happens to be full of resources and supplies something like nine-tenths of the world’s opium?

Probably a coincidence.

The world already knew that Afghan had incredible mineral wealth, the difference is now that the West is back into Afghan they can be more precise as to how much; enabling them to draw up contracts and make bank. It's a bit like if a burglar broke into a billionaires mansion; they might not know exactly what was there, but they'd expect it to be good.

"Geologists have known of the extent of the mineral wealth for over a century, as a result of surveys done by the British and Russians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining_in_Afghanistan

Knowledge of Afghan's wealth of resources even goes back to ancient times

"Since ancient times Afghanistan has been famous as a source of precious and semi-precious stones and above all its lapis lazuli, which has been prized throughout history both for jewellery and as a pigment."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

Different nationalities have been involved, including German, Italian, French and Soviet. They also received assistance from the United Nations (HQ in New York) i.e. it wasn't just secret Soviet knowledge

"A new epoch in the study of Afghanistan's geology and mineral resources began when the Government of Afghanistan inaugurated the National Geological Survey in July 1955. This marked the initiation of systematic surveys of the geology and mineral resources of the country, which continued over the next 25 years. This period was characterised by extensive mapping operations and, subsequently, by geological surveys and prospecting of mineral occurrences and more detailed evaluation of selected prospects. The Afghanistan Geological Survey under the Ministry of Mines and Industries conducted this work in cooperation with German, Italian, French and Soviet geologists. During the first years of the existence of the Geological Survey some assistance was also received from the United Nations organisation."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

In 1979 Afghan became closed to Western Geologists, however by then the geology of Afghan was known in more detail than any other region of the Himalaya.

"Geological investigations were severely curtailed with the Russian invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979, when the country effectively became closed to western geologists. Prior to the invasion, the geology of Afghanistan was probably known in more detail than any other region of the Himalaya, but from that time onwards outside interests were suspended and the Afghan geological community became isolated."
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/afghanminerals/about.htm

Now that the West once again have control of Afghan, modern concepts and methods are being used. They can now be more precise, doing formal explorations.

"Following the fall of the Taliban regime, the Government of the Transitional Islamic State of Afghanistan, with the assistance of the World Bank, began to formulate a mining sector strategy and policy. Amongst many things, this recognised the need for the rehabilitation and restructuring of the Afghanistan Geological Survey in order for it to perform as a modern geological survey and implement a programme of geological mapping and resource assessment using modern concepts and methods."

Whichever country they want to go to they fund some kind of terror/revolution and use the secret services to set off bombs in mosques, then head off over there to save the day.

"The War on Terror", Genius!

I don't really have any theories.

NIST went with pancaking, then changed their theory because they were called out on it.

NIST said WTC 7 did not fall at the speed of gravity, then changed their theory because they were called out on it - by a high school physics teacher.

NIST corrected their findings unwillingly several other times.

The 9/11 Comission report, and the administration's story, and most outlandishly the NIST report, are theories that go against basic physics, and so should be questioned.

Government and military inaction and the huge amount of coincidences that day, all the pre-9/11 warnings, the shut-down or obstructed investigations into the supposed hijackers before 9/11, the ties to the Saudis that were ignored and overlooked, the disposal of all the proof of what the FBI called a "crime scene", the FBI's own assertion they had no evidence tying Ben Laden to 9/11 and finally the fact that Ben Laden denied being involved multiple times - these are all good reasons to start doubting the official story, and to launch an actual investigation into what happened.

The government is the one with the crazy theories.

Do you think 2 of the largest buildings in the world were designed, in a worst case scenario, to take out all of southern Manhattan by falling on their side?

Phrenology is really pretty interesting if you're into medical quackery. I have a friend who has a bunch of original old charts in frames.