Don't bother with logic here.
They want things to be a conspiracy. So they come up with the most insane theories. As long as they can call it a conspiracy. It's like a sickness.

It's about controlling the flow of oil, the oil isn't for the US to consume.

9/11 lead us to Afghanistan, a land locked country that has no oil.

We already control the flow of oil in the Middle East, and we have multiple naval bases in the area. If we wanted to shut down the flow of oil in the Middle East, we could should the the Persian Gulf instantly. By the US going into Iraq we've done just the opposite - destabilized the price oil through out the world.

No really, forget the facepalms - tell me who and how those lobby victims could determine (or rather investigators since its obvious the victims couldn't know) where the fire that erupted in the lobby could determine the source?

:D

There's no "theory" about it. Can you honestly look at the footage of Building 7 coming down and say it was anything other than controlled demo? It wasn't "kind of" like a demo job, it wasn't "similar" to a demo job, it was exactly like a demo job in every single way, shape and form because it was a demo job.

Even the owner of the building (Larry) said they "pulled it". The building went straight down into it's own footprint at free fall speed which is only possible as a result of a controlled demo. There is no other explanation. FEMA couldn't explain it, the 9/11 Commission couldn't explain it, Engineers still can't explain it.

In fact, the only "theory" in this entire debacle is the bullshit theory the "so called" experts had to come up with to explain how a steel structure could collapse into it's own footprint at free fall speed.

This is indisputable evidence.

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And I would like to add, the conspiracy is not just the technical bullshit that everyone wants to argue about (planes, metallic particles, gravity, etc.), but WHY 911 happened to begin with, and who knew about it, and why Bin Laden was never questioned, and why his family was allowed to fly out of the country right after 911, and why the insurance claim is important, and what entities owned the buildings, and who made money from this, and why the Patriot Act was written up BEFORE 911, and on and on...

Don't be confused, it's always been about oil. The reason? That's all they have that we want/need. We don't give two shits about evil dictators. If we did, we'd have troops in Darfur.

The US wants to build a pipeline through Iran so why do you think they're in the news lately.

Our troops will never be pulled out of the Middle East, just like we haven't pulled out of other countries like Japan and Germany. They might not have bases in Iraq, I'm not sure what the arrangement is with the exact logistics but there will be large US bases very close to keep an eye on things.

I'm not confused at all. We've been ignoring Africa for decades and don't care, but if anything happens in the Middle East it's front page news. It's true, and I get that. But our oil doesn't come form the Middle East - It comes from Canada and Mexico. On top of that, the US is the world's third largest oil producer itself. The Middle East is important to Europe and China, not the US.

9/11 landed us in Afghanistan, a land locked country that has no oil. 9/11 has nothing to do about oil.

And this surprises you WHY?

News flash, the US had plans to invade Canada. The US has plans for every possible contingency. They have plans in the event there are mass protests and they need so suspend the U. S. Constitution, plans for mass evacuations in the event of a disaster including feeding them and housing them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline

And I guess nobody in the US is benefiting from the high oil prices though. :winkwink:

So why are troops in Iraq? Why were we there is the first place and after ten years, why are we still there? What started this war?

Sushi? :)

This is the only live shot with a plausible flight path that exposed the north face and they screwed it up big time. There are a few theories as to why it happened, but I think the fake image came out faster than they thought, and that's what prompted the fade to black, an attempt to hide the blunder. NO HOLE exists where the fake image came through, proving conclusively that WNYW and Chopper 5 aired and created the black plane hoax.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6McmbkBIKw

Whomever Cloud turned his footage over to added a black blob. Clifton, did not hear nor see a plane. It would have been coming from his left. Clifton, debunks all video fakery shown on 911. Advance to 2:00 for his real-time account. He says it over and over and over and over. He didn't see a plane because there was no plane to see. The blob cannot be seen south of where it magically appeared. He was about a mile east of the towers and slightly north. HE CALLED HIS CO-WORKER.

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, no plane hit nothin', the building exploded from the other tower floors down."

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=A2unTcZnY30

Dick Oliver described a drone aircraft that is guided electronically to its target without having a pilot. He was on the ground and saw something consistent with the several live shots that recorded the foreign object that floated from the west to behind the towers. The circular object was filmed by nbc, cbs, wb11, and ny1. It had no physical components of a chopper or plane and was much smaller than a helicopter.

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Dick Oliver Says Plane Was Remote Control Drone - YouTube

Oh joy, it's back.

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Seems to me a plane hit the building, went partially through it... And pieces came out the other end. What you are seeing isn't a solid object, but more of a cloud of debris.

i believe hologramic inomations in gif secret code language

There is no hole for anything large to be ejected. That means that anything like an engine found blocks away, north, did not come out of tower 2. That's conclusive by looking at the north face photographs.

I see... A video of a plane hitting a building.

If no plane hit the building, where is the plane. And more importantly, where are the people. Are you saying the US government / military is behind this, and they killed hundreds of people to pull this off?

Who did the killing? And how was it kept secret?

If a zillion people see a plane hit a building, and the plane and all of the people are missing.... It's a safe bet that the plane hit the building, and not anything else.

Just because some jackass thinks otherwise means nothing to anyone.

So you show a cropped image of the building and no hole and?

We all saw a plane hit the building. We all saw what came out. Showing us a grainy cropped image of a small section of a building covered in smoke... Shows us pretty much nothing.

I see a few gaps where piece of an engine could have come out of. Maybe the hole it came out of was higher, covered by smoke.

This is a new argument, I'll give you that. Never heard this one before. But sorry, we saw a plane go in, and we saw what came out. Can't argue with that.

If you got something not showing a fake image coming through, then post it. The videos were just uploaded to youtube. They are what they are.

You know nothing about about this, or how to articulate logically what you are denying. Are you saying that 175 was flying over 500 mph when it was travelling on a straight west to east path and managed to turn left/north in less than two seconds before the north face exploded?

It was an inside jorb!

Exactly, but on 911 the MASS MEDIA was used and participated in this obvious hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLVxWUbPDU

I've shown a handful of people the orb and all said without hesitation that it wasn't a plane. The same type of replies would come from 90 percent of folks viewing this damning footage for the first time. They have no reason to deny reality or pretend that it could be a plane and that is what separates the few trolls online from the real world of 'believing what you're seeing'. Once a person understands the weird object passed east of the first tower less than two seconds before the second tower explodes, their minds would confirm that it couldn't be a plane. Had it been a plane it would've either crashed into the west side of T2 or flew past/east of the towers. One could easily think the chopper clip was in slow motion but no, the orb was floating at a pace of 70-100 mph.

911truthncDotOrg 2 years ago
I found it very strange. She watched the explosion then acted like she wasn't positive about what she just witnessed. "It seems like it was in the other building from here". I am paraphrasing. No emotion at all.

It definitely does NOT look like an airliner.

zrocks2001 2 years ago
thats the ball she didnt even acknowledge that she saw a plane approaching she just saw an explosion in the other building.

imo there were bombs planted and a missle which is probably hard to see naked eyes if your not looking for it.

it sure didnt look like a plane

CuteCatFaith 2 years ago
It really looks small. It just doesn't look like a big commercial jet liner. She doesn't say, "Here comes a plane!" Bill Blackolive in Texas will be speaking on Mike Palacek's radio broadcast later this month. It has been postponed. Please read GUESTS OF THE NATION by Palacek. Thank you for posting this. Can anyone explain why the HOME RUN systems were not used to stop ANY of the "planes?"

CuteCatFaith 2 years ago
I went hysterical, which is incredibly rare for me. Shock reactions differ. Anyway, she doesn't say, wow, here comes a plane! Why do you think none of the HOME RUN systems kicked in on any of those planes? I hope you read GUESTS OF THE NATION by Mike Palacek.

Blake00711 1 year ago
She didn't even know that another aircraft had hit the south tower

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i guess someone paid off their internet bill finally... bet he's been waiting for months to post all this crap haha

looks like a plane.
planes hit the buildings.
the real conspiracy is how they were allowed to? who had the airforce standing down?
Who needed building 7 down no matter what?
Where did the gold go at the bottom of the WTC complex?
How come the NIST report was denied access to wreckage? why was the wreckage shipped off never to be studied?
Who authorized the removal of bomb sniffing dogs 6 months before the towers came down?
Explain dust covering monitors in the buildings each morning when people came in for work.Enough for people to complain about it.
ETC ETC
Dont confuse the issue by trying to say planes didnt even hit the buildings. People saw the planes with their own eyes.
The plane in the field, very fishy.

If it looks like a plane then show a plane next to the orb. You won't do it because it doesn't look like a plane or chopper in any way.:1orglaugh

Your maybes and excuses are rejected. There is no hole in the north face to accommodate the engine found on church and murray, sorry.:thumbsup

interesting the drills that were going on before both 9/11 and 7/7

dont feed the trolls

lol i hear you

but the drills did happen

and i have a lot of questions about it

The most credible eyewitnesses did not see a plane hit the south tower, or hear one approaching which would have been obvious, because there wasn't one that did. THERE'S NO APPARENT HOLE IN TOWER 2, and that smoke and debris seen coming out the rear most likely cannot be produced from any video footage because the impacts were edited. A GOOD ZOOM WOULD LIKELY RENDER NO LARGE HOLE.

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"And then heard this noise that seemed to come from everywhere but didn't...had no idea what it was and then the south tower just exploded, it just it just, it just blew up. And somebody said that was a plane and I was like, "I was underneath it, I was looking at the tower, I had my camera in my hand, I heard the noise, I never saw the airplane."

BRINGIN' ON THE HARDACHE:1orglaugh

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Yeah, clearly I know nothing about this. I have an engineering degree, do you?

Two planes hit two buildings. Period. There is just no debating that at all. You can discuss drones and orbs all you all way, but at the end of the day all you have is a vivid imagination. You have zero proof of anything. All you are doing is trying to shoot down fact by encouraging doubt.

More bullshit.

Key words here are "had no idea what it was". This means, in perfect English, they didn't see it. So this witness didn't see anything. Means they aren't a witness at all.

NO plane hit the south tower, Period. There is just no debating that at all. You can discuss fake images with missing wings and pretend they were real planes till you die but at the end of the day all you have is simple denial of video facts. You have zero proof of anything. You aren't trying to shoot down video facts because you know you'd fail.:thumbsup

He didn't see a plane because there wasn't one there. THAT'S LOGICAL. Combine that with my first post today, and it's factual.:thumbsup

I was looking at the tower, I had my camera in my hand, I heard the noise, I never saw the airplane."

He heard the explosion start to erupt, but saw no approaching plane or the sound which would be unmistakable.

You have a degree in engineering? I have noticed you don't wear your ring.

I have a B.Sc.Mathematics. What is your degree exactly?

The air force wasn't standing down. It wasn't even tracking the planes. There are thirty thousand flights in the US daily, and these are all handled by civilian agencies - not the military. The WTC flights crashed before the FAA was sure there was even a problem.

No one had a reason to have those buildings destroyed.

Is gold missing? Did it melt in the six month underground fire?

Was someone denied anything? I never heard the NIST report was denied anything.

Were bomb sniffing dogs removed? I never heard of that. Maybe someone decided it wasn't cost effective. No matter, because it's wasn't a bomb that took down the towers. It was a plane.

We could question every security change in the past year prior to 9/11 until we are blue in the face. Doesn't mean jack shit.

Never heard of this.

The WTC was a city in itself, and constantly under construction. Maybe there was dust that morning. Who knows.

You got nothing. All you are doing is trying to encourage doubt.

I'm not really wanting to get into this thread but all you did was sidestep each question I posted.
The stand down was well documented as they were running drills that morning. How you are not aware of this I don't know. When you learn that fact we can continue.

About time when someone called me out on that.

I have an AA degree in Computer Tech and an AA degree in Electrical Engineering from a small business school here in California. In fact, it was Heald College.

Does this qualify me to debate 9/11? Not any more than anyone who didn't go to college. But it cracks me up when the conspiracy theory nuts say "The Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth group all believe this was an inside job". Well, I have degree in engineering, and that doesn't mean shit. I have a friend of mine who went to Notre Dame and is a Architect, yet is so fucking stupid his engine seized up because he didn't have enough oil in it. I have another engineer friend who went to UC Berkeley, and she has a great job... Huge degree, and now she is a "construction site dirt engineer". That's right, she drives up and down a job site making sure no one steals dirt.

Sorry, no matter what anyone says there is no one shred of evidence that 9/11 was anything more than what it was. We all saw it with own eyes. This fucker here is talking about drones and orbs, yet every last one of us saw a fucking airplane hit a building.

There wasn't a stand down.

There was a drill. In fact, there was multiple drills. There are drills daily held by cities, local governments, our miitary, NORAD, The FAA, etc.... Here's a partial list of some of the civilian exercises done prior to 9/11....

I'm pretty familiar with the NYC tri-state area.... Setting aside National Guard, I would guess McGuire Air Force Base would be closest to NYC... Did they stand down? Did any of the National Guard units? Did any Air Force units in NY, NJ, CN, or PA stand down?

No.

Then you can also argue that the departments that were having drills that day would be better staffed than on days they didn't have drills? And they would have been able to respond better to a crisis?

"THEY, THEY BLEW THAT BUILDING UP". "A'INT NOTHING HIT THAT BUILDING, NOTHING HIT THAT BUILDING". "IT BLEW UP JUST LIKE THAT".

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Nothing hit the Bay Bridge either, and it still fell.

I want to fly a plane into this thread.

Will start a small fire, burn a few posts, then go out. :2 cents:

If gold melted because of fire, then there suppose to be a lot of melted gold, right?

are you total NUTS? no plane hitting towers and other bulshit

who gave them to hit it and rest is something we will never know but this bulshit of how no airplanes hit it, are you that nuts? :)

This guy did it!

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