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dyna mo · 08-18-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Totally true of course to anyone with their eyes even slightly open.

People for a segregated melting pot.

Jesus H fucking Christ.

i agree. but-
the media covered several republicans making it an issue, at least that's how i recall it all getting started.

wig · 08-18-2010, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

me thinks you chased him off with these!

I hope not. It wasn't my intent.

BFT3K · 08-18-2010, 09:32 AM

We don't need your radical shit going on here in the US.

If this is the future of "tolerance" them you can label me "intolerant"...

Ron Bennett · 08-18-2010, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

Airplanes did this? Fuck off Bush

Airplanes, or whatever one wants to believe started it, but gravity did the ultimate damage, as shown in the photo.

What goes up, without support, will come down with the combined kinetic energy that went into raising it ... consider how much power it took to raise all that steel, pipes, air conditioning units, facade material, furniture, etc several hundred feet (all the mass of the buildings above the respective impact points) into the air over many, many months ... when the support failed, gravity took over releasing all that power in an instant. It's the same principle behind implosions - knock out some key supports and gravity does rest; there's nothing mysterious about the destruction.

Ron

tony286 · 08-18-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

well that explains a few things

isn't that the guy thats trying to bring sharia law to the US?

nope thats just extremist bullshit. Come on Vend you are a smart guy Im surprised you believe everything they spoon feed you.

Amputate Your Head · 08-18-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

there's nothing mysterious about the destruction.

Ron

Of course not. Det charges do the job quite effectively.

tony286 · 08-18-2010, 09:53 AM

Once again the right needs this to win because they have no plan to save the country its all go back to the same shit that made it fail. So they jump on this bullshit. I got to give W credit, he never took that road. He said openly that it was a religion of peace and visited mosques and said what the manics didn't reflect on the rest of muslims.

BFT3K · 08-18-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tony299

Once again the right needs this to win because they have no plan to save the country its all go back to the same shit that made it fail. So they jump on this bullshit. I got to give W credit, he never took that road. He said openly that it was a religion of peace and visited mosques and said what the manics didn't reflect on the rest of muslims.

I agree that Obama's mosque comments are being used as a political football, but I also think Obama should keep his 2 cents out of polarizing issues. He needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.

Between this issue, the "police acted stupidly" statement, and so on, he just needs to keep his opinions out of petty controversial issues. No good ever comes from it. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. It is a matter of perception and emotion.

I am a huge Obama fan, but even I'm getting pissed off by some of his shit now. Just shut the fuck up, and get some stuff done already!

tony286 · 08-18-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I agree that Obama's mosque comments are being used as a political football, but I also think Obama should keep his 2 cents out of polarizing issues. He needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.

Between this issue, the "police acted stupidly" statement, and so on, he just needs to keep his opinions out of petty controversial issues. No good ever comes from it.

I am a huge Obama fan, but even I'm getting pissed off by some of his shit now. Just shut the fuck up, and get some stuff done already!

I agree and he needs to grow a back bone. When cheney was asked there is a growing deficit his response with a smirk was so. Then asked a large number of Americans are against the war in iraq this was 4 yrs in and again his response was so. I respect that , its like we won it all and we will do what the fuck we want to do.
Where my party is the party of fucking wimps. the right is minority and they still run the message, I blame obama for that.
And robert gibbs gets pissed off at progressives for judging the president.maybe its time for them to wake the fuck up.

dyna mo · 08-18-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

I agree that Obama's mosque comments are being used as a political football, but I also think Obama should keep his 2 cents out of polarizing issues. He needs to shut the fuck up sometimes.

Between this issue, the "police acted stupidly" statement, and so on, he just needs to keep his opinions out of petty controversial issues. No good ever comes from it. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. It is a matter of perception and emotion.

I am a huge Obama fan, but even I'm getting pissed off by some of his shit now. Just shut the fuck up, and get some stuff done already!

i'm torn on this issue. on one hand, he's the pusa, it's his job to set the tone. on the other hand, his *tone setting* is more along the lines of politicizing the issue and perpetuating the left v right bullcrud.

Ron Bennett · 08-18-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

Of course not. Det charges do the job quite effectively.

And so does fire ... steel significantly weakens well below its melting point...

The twin towers were built with economy in mind and some of those trade-offs made them even more vulnerable to fire than some other very tall structures, such as the Empire State building or the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.

In particular, the twin towers had large open floor plans with minimal steel used with minimal fire protection compared to that of buildings utilizing box construction, such as the Empire State building, which contains more steel, much of which is well fire protected, than both of the taller, more spacious twin towers combined!

Once one floor fails, it pancakes on to the one below it, which in turn fails due to that extra mass on top of it, followed by more pancaking rapidly leading to building collapse.

Placing explosives would be far more difficult than people realize - sure it doesn't take much, relatively speaking to bring down a building, but one can't just place them haphazardly. The amount of time and effort required would have been considerable, as well as very noticeable, especially if placing them so high into the structure.

I'm amazed what people believe and post without at least thinking it through a bit first. But then this is GFY so perhaps that's par for the course

Ron

dyna mo · 08-18-2010, 10:19 AM

come on, let's not make this a 9/11 conspiracy thread eh.

2c :-)

tony286 · 08-18-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

And so does fire ... steel significantly weakens well below its melting point...

The twin towers were built with economy in mind and some of those trade-offs made them even more vulnerable to fire than some other very tall structures, such as the Empire State building or the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.

In particular, the twin towers had large open floor plans with minimal steel used with minimal fire protection compared to that of buildings utilizing box construction, such as the Empire State building, which contains more steel, much of which is well fire protected, than both of the taller, more spacious twin towers combined!

Once one floor fails, it pancakes on to the one below it, which in turn fails due to that extra mass on top of it, followed by more pancaking rapidly leading to building collapse.

Placing explosives would be far more difficult than people realize - sure it doesn't take much, relatively speaking to bring down a building, but one can't just place them haphazardly. The amount of time and effort required would have been considerable, as well as very noticeable, especially if placing them so high into the structure.

I'm amazed what people believe and post without at least thinking it through a bit first. But then this is GFY so perhaps that's par for the course

Ron

the empire state building had a plane crash into it and only that floor and the poor people on it were fucked.

DamianJ · 08-18-2010, 11:13 AM

if Muslims can't build a Mosque near GroundZero, Catholics can't build a church near a playground

Bryan G · 08-18-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

if Muslims can't build a Mosque near GroundZero, Catholics can't build a church near a playground

Amputate Your Head · 08-18-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

And so does fire ... steel significantly weakens well below its melting point...

The twin towers were built with economy in mind and some of those trade-offs made them even more vulnerable to fire than some other very tall structures, such as the Empire State building or the Willis (formerly Sears) Tower.

In particular, the twin towers had large open floor plans with minimal steel used with minimal fire protection compared to that of buildings utilizing box construction, such as the Empire State building, which contains more steel, much of which is well fire protected, than both of the taller, more spacious twin towers combined!

Once one floor fails, it pancakes on to the one below it, which in turn fails due to that extra mass on top of it, followed by more pancaking rapidly leading to building collapse.

Placing explosives would be far more difficult than people realize - sure it doesn't take much, relatively speaking to bring down a building, but one can't just place them haphazardly. The amount of time and effort required would have been considerable, as well as very noticeable, especially if placing them so high into the structure.

I'm amazed what people believe and post without at least thinking it through a bit first. But then this is GFY so perhaps that's par for the course

Ron

I've been "thinking it through" for 9 years. Believe what you want. I believe it was blown.

alessergod · 08-18-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i'm torn on this issue. on one hand, he's the pusa, it's his job to set the tone. on the other hand, his *tone setting* is more along the lines of politicizing the issue and perpetuating the left v right bullcrud.

He came as POTUS and stood up for what the 1st Amendment clearly states, then when the right wing starts hollering muslim lover, campaign issue, etc, he waffles and says because they can doesn't mean they should. I think steps back because he still thinks he can swing the right to work with him, which they never will. I agree, He should say what he thinks and be like Cheney and "SO".

topnotch, standup guy · 08-18-2010, 12:04 PM

"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"

Those were the last words recorded on the cockpit voice recorder of Flight 93, and the very same words that will be chanted five times a day at the Ground Zero Mosque should it be built.

Say what you will about religious freedom and such but that's just plain wrong.

Very wrong.

Brujah · 08-18-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony299

Come on Vend you are a smart guy ...

Some of the threads lately, and you really still think that?

mechanicvirus · 08-18-2010, 12:31 PM

I'm gay, how come no one is debating that???

Brujah · 08-18-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

I'm gay, how come no one is debating that???

but are you also trying to get married? We're very serious when it comes to our words. We don't want any of you gays using our words. The word "Marriage" belongs to us straight peoples.

EZRhino · 08-18-2010, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

the mosque protests are just amerikkka's bigotry rearing it's ugly little head.

Wow this country is really bigoted, maybe when we have a black president maybe we can get away from the stereotype.
As a country and culture America does not tolerate racism. Its not accepted in our media, justice system, religion or government. Can that be said in even moderate Muslim countries?
The Imam that is involved in the Ground Zero mosque won't condemn terrorists groups.

tony286 · 08-18-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino

Wow this country is really bigoted, maybe when we have a black president maybe we can get away from the stereotype.
As a country and culture America does not tolerate racism. Its not accepted in our media, justice system, religion or government. Can that be said in even moderate Muslim countries?
The Imam that is involved in the Ground Zero mosque won't condemn terrorists groups.

'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute told the Huffington Post. "He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam.

stopping buying rightwing boogieman talk

TheDoc · 08-18-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino

The Imam that is involved in the Ground Zero mosque won't condemn terrorists groups.

Is this what fox news is reporting now, well.. not really reporting, basically this is the shit they're spewing now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

"Imam Feisal ..... He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam...." P.S. in that article he helps our Government too.

The video of him speaking to the news about this, he says his group and 99.9% of all Muslims condemn terrorism.

http://www.asmasociety.org/home/p_press_16.html
NY Times Article: Imam Feiasl said, "condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

A Nexis/newsday article (pw protected) has Rauf saying after 9/11 "categorically condemned suicide bombers."

I don't really care either way, but I do hate fox news so....

alessergod · 08-18-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Is this what fox news is reporting now, well.. not really reporting, basically this is the shit they're spewing now?

"Imam Feisal ..... He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam...." P.S. in that article he helps our Government too.

The video of him speaking to the news about this, he says his group and 99.9% of all Muslims condemn terrorism.

NY Times Article: Imam Feiasl said, "condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

A Nexis/newsday article (pw protected) has Rauf saying after 9/11 "categorically condemned suicide bombers."

I don't really care either way, but I do hate fox news so....

uh oh Doc, pesky facts, tsk tsk

Vendzilla · 08-18-2010, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyandin

Soapbox? I'm not the one who makes daily posts crying boo-hoo about everything.

I was referring to your overall rhetoric. Shall we examine your post history?

The fact that you so quickly resort to personal attacks is - as most intelligent people know - a hallmark of poor debating skills, low intelligence, and insecurity when weathering public criticism.

When I woke up this morning and sat down at my workstation, I thought to myself "Hmm, I wonder if Vendzilla replied to my post? If so, I wonder if he merely made an intelligent rebuttal, or if he just resorted to name calling?"

Unfortunately, you disappointed me.

Notice how when I made my comment, I did not personally attack you or label you? I even took care to state that it was your stance and posting behavior that I took issue with, and that I wasn't branding you personally as an idiot, since you may very well be a very intelligent person with a poorly thought out worldview. Even though I gave you that respect, you unabashedly attacked me (instead of my stance), which is a disappointing testament to your intelligence and character.

In the future, if you want people to actually take anything you have to say seriously, I would suggest brushing up on these things.

So you're saying you were calling me names first thing because of other threads? What a fucking moron

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Originally Posted by tony299

nope thats just extremist bullshit. Come on Vend you are a smart guy Im surprised you believe everything they spoon feed you.

He is a big backer of Sharia law and I read something about him wanting to change somethings about Muslims in the US to be under Sharia law, I don't think that will ever happen, it was probably a opinion piece

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Some of the threads lately, and you really still think that?

You're still mad at me because my opinion doesn't conform to the Obamanation of beliefs?
Dude, look at the polls, I'm not the only one!

EZRhino · 08-18-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Is this what fox news is reporting now, well.. not really reporting, basically this is the shit they're spewing now?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html

"Imam Feisal ..... He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam...." P.S. in that article he helps our Government too.

The video of him speaking to the news about this, he says his group and 99.9% of all Muslims condemn terrorism.

http://www.asmasociety.org/home/p_press_16.html
NY Times Article: Imam Feiasl said, "condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

A Nexis/newsday article (pw protected) has Rauf saying after 9/11 "categorically condemned suicide bombers."

I don't really care either way, but I do hate fox news so....

You know what I decided to look up any past quotes from the Imam before this controversy. All I found was 1 video promoting his book and 1 with Tom Brokaw (2006).
Sounds like he is saying what everyone wants to hear. I would love to hear or see all his condemnation for terrorism before 2009. If anyone can dig that up, I'll be a convert about his motives.

TheDoc · 08-18-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EZRhino

You know what I decided to look up any past quotes from the Imam before this controversy. All I found was 1 video promoting his book and 1 with Tom Brokaw (2006).
Sounds like he is saying what everyone wants to hear. I would love to hear or see all his condemnation for terrorism before 2009. If anyone can dig that up, I'll be a convert about his motives.

http://www.islamfortoday.com/60minutes.htm

60 minutes trans script, dated: Sept 30, 2001 he said: "Fanaticism and terrorism have no place in Islam. That's just as absurd as associating Hitler with Christianity, or David Koresh with Christianity."

On Google to the left is more search tools, you can enter a data range and it will pull up news/articles, etc from those ranges, somewhat at least.

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Hey Shithead, there you go putting words in my post
Where did I say all islamic people?
I was referring to the assholes that attacked New York, you know, those fucking people.

Just like not all Muslims believe that a mosque should go there, the Koran teaches respect for others and putting it there shows insensitivity to the 9/11 event

wtf did those that want to build that thing have to do with 9-11? not one fucking thing that I've seen. ALSO..

IT'S TWO FUCKING BLOCKS AWAY FROM WTC.

what the fuck is insensitive about that? not one god damn thing

so what are you left with? making a bunch of fucking noise about nothing because YOU are fucking bigoted against the muslim faith. that's it.. that is all you fucking have.

directfiesta · 08-18-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

wtf did those that want to build that thing have to do with 9-11? not one fucking thing that I've seen. ALSO..

IT'S TWO FUCKING BLOCKS AWAY FROM WTC.

It would be 3 blocks, or 4 blocks= tea baggers would still be on it ... after all, what they they have concrete to run on ?

Vendzilla · 08-18-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

wtf did those that want to build that thing have to do with 9-11? not one fucking thing that I've seen. ALSO..

IT'S TWO FUCKING BLOCKS AWAY FROM WTC.

what the fuck is insensitive about that? not one god damn thing

so what are you left with? making a bunch of fucking noise about nothing because YOU are fucking bigoted against the muslim faith. that's it.. that is all you fucking have.

600ft is too close, it's insensitive, if you weren't such a raging asshole you would see that, in the Quran, it teaches differently

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

It would be 3 blocks, or 4 blocks= tea baggers would still be on it ... after all, what they they have concrete to run on ?

is your translation software buggy or something?

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

600ft is too close, it's insensitive, if you weren't such a raging asshole you would see that, in the Quran, it teaches differently

what the fuck ever. the only people being insensitive are foxnews fanboys like yourself.

they have every damn right to build a house of worship any god damn where they want.

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:29 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

Vendzilla · 08-18-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

what the fuck ever. the only people being insensitive are foxnews fanboys like yourself.

they have every damn right to build a house of worship any god damn where they want.

I never said they didn't have the right, but without reading anything about what I post you had an answer, you're just another ignorant troll

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I never said they didn't have the right

No you've just spent you time on GFY since this issue came to light behaving as if they didn't... so you must be the troll here.

and when did I say you said that? talk about not reading.. typical fucking troll move right there pal.

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:40 PM

Vendzilla = foxnews obsessed, right-wing fanboy troll

plain and simple.

Coup · 08-18-2010, 06:42 PM

dude's here day in day out harping on every god damn fox news talking point. it never fucking fails.

Theo · 08-18-2010, 06:48 PM

I'm a Greek Christian Orthodox, yet not that religious. Just from the fact this is a historical building something should be done about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nic...rthodox_Church

Vendzilla · 08-18-2010, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup

No you've just spent you time on GFY since this issue came to light behaving as if they didn't... so you must be the troll here.

and when did I say you said that? talk about not reading.. typical fucking troll move right there pal.

You said they have the right to build anywhere they want, well in broken english, I never said they didn't, is that vein in your head about to burst?

Try really hard not to be a troll, I know it's hard for you

08-18-2010, 12:04 PM	#68
topnotch, standup guy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Here and there. Posts: 1,562	"Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!" Those were the last words recorded on the cockpit voice recorder of Flight 93, and the very same words that will be chanted five times a day at the Ground Zero Mosque should it be built. Say what you will about religious freedom and such but that's just plain wrong. Very wrong. __________________ A hard dick has no conscience.

08-18-2010, 06:29 PM	#83
Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,931	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States Last edited by Coup; 08-18-2010 at 06:30 PM..

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I'm a Greek Christian Orthodox, yet not that religious. Just from the fact this is a historical building something should be done about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Nic...rthodox_Church Last edited by Theo; 08-18-2010 at 07:03 PM..

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BFT3K Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Narnia Posts: 10,764	We don't need your radical shit going on here in the US. If this is the future of "tolerance" them you can label me "intolerant"...

08-18-2010, 09:53 AM	#57
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Once again the right needs this to win because they have no plan to save the country its all go back to the same shit that made it fail. So they jump on this bullshit. I got to give W credit, he never took that road. He said openly that it was a religion of peace and visited mosques and said what the manics didn't reflect on the rest of muslims.

08-18-2010, 10:19 AM	#62
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 65,384	come on, let's not make this a 9/11 conspiracy thread eh. 2c :-)

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DamianJ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land Posts: 15,808	if Muslims can't build a Mosque near GroundZero, Catholics can't build a church near a playground

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mechanicvirus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,883	I'm gay, how come no one is debating that???

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Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,931	Vendzilla = foxnews obsessed, right-wing fanboy troll plain and simple.

08-18-2010, 06:42 PM	#87
Coup 🚨 PBBC International 🚨 Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: /👁\ Posts: 9,931	dude's here day in day out harping on every god damn fox news talking point. it never fucking fails.