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Ground zero church
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...icials-forgot/
It seems that the Muslims have more pull than the only church destroyed by the 9/11 attacks. |
why the fuck should a church be allowed to be rebuilt right next to the WTC site when a mosque that's two blocks away is catching so much flack.
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Maybe because it was already there, and in being so should be rebuilt |
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the catholic church is responsible for ruining the lives of a lot more people than 9/11....
why are poeple not up in arms about catholic priests molesting children... :2 cents: . |
I don't see why there can't be a place for all places of prayer. Maybe a learning center that teaches the differences between the different religions? A place where people can learn to live together.
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no one protested christian churches when a white christian males blew up the murrah federal building
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Did you forget Obama is a Muslim?
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I also find it equally amusing when I see people actively involved in a porn-fueled business-community and yet they pretend to be religious (small conflict there? perhaps?) |
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In addition, it wasn't until around 1955 it became the official U.S. motto... it's certainly NOT something that the forefathers of the nation envisioned let alone endorse. Note that "E Pluribus Unum" was the defacto motto of the U.S. from the days of George Washington, but political leaders of the 1950s (time of the Red Scare, Cold War, and Nationalism) sought to push the Christian God into every aspect of one's life and hence the legislation for the "In God We Trust" motto, as well as, the rewording of the Pledge of Allegiance to make it more U.S.-centric and adding "God" into it. Again, point is that motto was NOT always there nor did the forefathers ever envision its use - they truly felt government should be separate from religion, and for good reason. Ron |
The fux news article says "The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild it in a new location -- in addition, the authority was willing to pay up to $40 million to construct a bomb-proof platform underneath."
I think you should be more upset that taxes are being used to subsidize a religious institution. $60 mil???? |
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I also have to disagree totally with your statement about the Catholic church. Every organisation suffers from can colloquially be called the "bad eggs". Its natural that deviants such as the paedophiles in the Catholic Church would want to gravitate somewhere in a position of authority where they could get away with their acts. Being part Irish I know exactly what I'm talking about in this respect. Traditionally in Ireland, priests, bishops etc had a TREMENDOUS amount of power. Its mind boggling just how much sway they had on a community. Such abuse would be easy to carry out. Doesn't mean its' a problem with the religion, though looking back with the glories of hindsight it damn easy to be critical about the way it was treated, but a problem with people as a whole. Other figures that compare to it...........abuse in other religions, institutional abuse (foster homes etc), adoption......The list goes on. Fundamentally the Catholic Church has shaped where we are today. It has left an indelible mark on our entire society, a branch being protestantism, and has given us a society in which freedom is finally possible with or without religion. Take a look in some middle eastern countries and suddenly Catholicism, with all its flaws and problems, suddenly doesn't look half as bad. |
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That is badly needed. If I had Sergey Brin cash I would do that myself. :thumbsup |
Oh, and to another post above... Child molestation is the LEAST of the Catholic church's past atrocities.
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Republicans, Conservatives, Right Wingers and Nut Ringers are against the Constitution.
They're willing to bend/amend the Constitution to not allow the Mosque but don't think it's right to bend/amend the Constitution when it comes to gay marriage. Some serious jacked up ideas in these peoples heads. |
The land of the free...
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Fuck Faggots See they are the same thing. Learn to double negative CockDoc. :thumbsup |
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Where did I say anything about BARRY? Just that one religion has more pull than another, get a fucking clue MORON. The only thing tiresome is you jumping to conclusions and not opening your fucking eyes, which is truly the sign of an idiot |
'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html |
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In fact if you read your history, you will see it was the Catholic monks and their monastery's who saved most of the literature. Without that, progress would have been far slower. Do not think that I am blindly defending Catholicism, I just want to draw a distinction between the religion and the people. People have always been capable of good, evil and necessity. Fact. People have always used some banner (be it patriotism, religion, bigotry, idealism) to try and exert power and influence. Its no different for Catholicism. The religion, is actually very peaceful and when examined (as I have done indepth along side my English degree) from a historical and theological viewpoint is extraordinarily wonderful in its teachings on fairness and equality. When you get into Christological research you see this highlighted even more. Quote:
The study of religion is absolutely fascinating. I would love to do it for a living but for the fact that I like fast cars and beautiful women :1orglaugh |
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As far as I am concerned there should be no religious structures built or rebuilt near the twin tower site. Putting these churches and mosques there doesn't spark questions and dialogue, it sparks contempt and hate between people with differing religious views. :2 cents: |
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There are currently 1,500,000,000 muslims. You don't many percent to have a real problem. Not to mention that yes, not all muslims are radical, lots want simply to live their life. However a fair percentage gives indirect support by not absolutely condemning not only terrorism, but the proselytising element for which islam is well known for, both in modern day's and certainly historically. I was there in London on 7/7 (different story, but I would usually have gone on that tube :helpme) and hearing some of the complete mother fuckers refuse to condemn (they said they did not condone) showed me just how hardened some peoples hearts are, backed up with their fervour. |
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isn't that the guy thats trying to bring sharia law to the US? |
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But as a religious matter, maybe a building of prayer for all faiths would be more appropriate? |
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Where did I say all islamic people? I was referring to the assholes that attacked New York, you know, those fucking people. Just like not all Muslims believe that a mosque should go there, the Koran teaches respect for others and putting it there shows insensitivity to the 9/11 event |
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I have a harder time debating with a garage door then you : the door is smarter : it shuts the fuck up ...:upsidedow |
I think we should build a dry cleaners at ground zero. :)
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The media that creates all this bigotry and hatred and ignorance in their uneducated followers should be held accountable. These are dangerous seeds.
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When I woke up this morning and sat down at my workstation, I thought to myself "Hmm, I wonder if Vendzilla replied to my post? If so, I wonder if he merely made an intelligent rebuttal, or if he just resorted to name calling?" Unfortunately, you disappointed me. Notice how when I made my comment, I did not personally attack you or label you? I even took care to state that it was your stance and posting behavior that I took issue with, and that I wasn't branding you personally as an idiot, since you may very well be a very intelligent person with a poorly thought out worldview. Even though I gave you that respect, you unabashedly attacked me (instead of my stance), which is a disappointing testament to your intelligence and character. In the future, if you want people to actually take anything you have to say seriously, I would suggest brushing up on these things. :2 cents: |
I think ALL religions are fucking stupid, retarded, brainwashing fairy tales, used to control people and push agendas, whether they be land wars, oil wars, water wars, or whatever.
That having been said, all of the fairy tale religions SHOULD be treated equally here in the US. Here in the US we have the RIGHT to ridicule, mock, make fun of, and laugh at whatever political and religious figures we wish to. If you are practicing your fairy tale religion in our country, we get to make fun of Muhammad in ANY fucking way we want to, just like we get to make fun of Jesus, or whoever. You want to worship your idiotic faith in the US, and we CAN'T make fun of Muhammad, then you get the fuck out of this country, we don't need your stupid ass shit here! And take your goofball face masks off too - you don't have the right to HIDE here in the US. There! That's my semi-racist rant for today. Thank you for your time. |
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I've tried this approach here. It doesn't work. I've since adapted & devolved myself and my posting styles to better fit the dynamic of GFY. |
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hardly. i too studied the history of religion in college and learned exactly opposite of what you are stating. in fact, 10s of millions have died/been murdered due to christianity & catholicism. |
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Moreover, there was an overwhelming desire to ‘surrender to divine powers forcing men inwardly’ and ‘a need for’ supernatural revelation. As a result, the thinkers of the area were not much interested in -- even discouraged from -- investigating the physical world. Contrariwise, the supreme task of Christian scholarship was to apprehend and deepen the truths of revelation. Christianity during this time actively rejected scientific inquiry. This is just a small sampling of the attitude that permeated the dark ages when the Church was replacing the State… Ambrose, Bishop of Milan on the study of the heavens said: “for wherein does it assist in Salvation”. Justinian, on the thought that philosophical speculations aided heretics, closed the Platonic Academy in Athens. John Crysostom, Arch Bishop of Constantinople said: “Restrain our reasoning, and empty our mind of secular learning, in order to provide a mind swept clear for the reception of divine words”. By the 600's all but two of the learning centers were closed. This is indicative of what you got during the dark ages from the Church. The East during this time were far more innovative and productive. Quote:
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The real question is whether the supernatural claims are true and I find no evidence for that. I see a long line of change, promulgated by the Church, and ending in something far removed from the Christology you mention. |
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People for a segregated melting pot. Jesus H fucking Christ. |
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