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It seems that the Muslims have more pull than the only church destroyed by the 9/11 attacks.
It seems that the Muslims have more pull than the only church destroyed by the 9/11 attacks.
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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why the fuck should a church be allowed to be rebuilt right next to the WTC site when a mosque that's two blocks away is catching so much flack. -
Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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the catholic church is responsible for ruining the lives of a lot more people than 9/11....
why are poeple not up in arms about catholic priests molesting children...
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I don't see why there can't be a place for all places of prayer. Maybe a learning center that teaches the differences between the different religions? A place where people can learn to live together.
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no one protested christian churches when a white christian males blew up the murrah federal buildingComment
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Did you forget Obama is a Muslim?Comment
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Your constant whining and pussymoaning is really tiresome. All you do on GFY is post about Obamanation this, or Obamacare that, or whatever other grains of sand you can grasp to bitch about the fact that Republicans barely have a voice right now. I'm not a hard leftist (I'm a moderate), and I don't know you personally so I don't think you're an idiot or anything, but come on man. Give it a rest.
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U know .. sometimes I think you are mentally-hilarious as ur avatar depicts HOWEVER I MUST agree with that point u just made.
I also find it equally amusing when I see people actively involved in a porn-fueled business-community and yet they pretend to be religious (small conflict there? perhaps?)Comment
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Only since the early 1900s has it been required to be on U.S. money.
In addition, it wasn't until around 1955 it became the official U.S. motto... it's certainly NOT something that the forefathers of the nation envisioned let alone endorse.
Note that "E Pluribus Unum" was the defacto motto of the U.S. from the days of George Washington, but political leaders of the 1950s (time of the Red Scare, Cold War, and Nationalism) sought to push the Christian God into every aspect of one's life and hence the legislation for the "In God We Trust" motto, as well as, the rewording of the Pledge of Allegiance to make it more U.S.-centric and adding "God" into it.
Again, point is that motto was NOT always there nor did the forefathers ever envision its use - they truly felt government should be separate from religion, and for good reason.
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The fux news article says "The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild it in a new location -- in addition, the authority was willing to pay up to $40 million to construct a bomb-proof platform underneath."
I think you should be more upset that taxes are being used to subsidize a religious institution. $60 mil????Have you ever seen a "Harley" parked in front of a Physchiatrists Office?Comment
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Last time I looked, people WERE up in arms about the Catholic Church.
I also have to disagree totally with your statement about the Catholic church. Every organisation suffers from can colloquially be called the "bad eggs". Its natural that deviants such as the paedophiles in the Catholic Church would want to gravitate somewhere in a position of authority where they could get away with their acts.
Being part Irish I know exactly what I'm talking about in this respect. Traditionally in Ireland, priests, bishops etc had a TREMENDOUS amount of power. Its mind boggling just how much sway they had on a community. Such abuse would be easy to carry out.
Doesn't mean its' a problem with the religion, though looking back with the glories of hindsight it damn easy to be critical about the way it was treated, but a problem with people as a whole.
Other figures that compare to it...........abuse in other religions, institutional abuse (foster homes etc), adoption......The list goes on.
Fundamentally the Catholic Church has shaped where we are today. It has left an indelible mark on our entire society, a branch being protestantism, and has given us a society in which freedom is finally possible with or without religion.
Take a look in some middle eastern countries and suddenly Catholicism, with all its flaws and problems, suddenly doesn't look half as bad.Email: Jaypas {:at:] hot mail {:dot:} comComment
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Oh, and to another post above... Child molestation is the LEAST of the Catholic church's past atrocities.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Republicans, Conservatives, Right Wingers and Nut Ringers are against the Constitution.
They're willing to bend/amend the Constitution to not allow the Mosque but don't think it's right to bend/amend the Constitution when it comes to gay marriage.
Some serious jacked up ideas in these peoples heads.
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What a fucking MORON, the post was about one church that was already there and other that is building, I never mentioned the "BARRY in charge", but you're too fucking "JUMP the SHARK tank STUPID" to see that
Get off your fucking soapbox shit for brains
Where did I say anything about BARRY?
Just that one religion has more pull than another, get a fucking clue MORON.
The only thing tiresome is you jumping to conclusions and not opening your fucking eyes, which is truly the sign of an idiotCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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'Ground Zero Mosque' Imam Helped FBI With Counterterrorism Efforts
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_685071.html ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Hate to break it to you chief... But not all muslims are radical fundamentalists. in fact only a very small percentage are. So railing against the muslim faith as a whole doesn't make you a good patriot.. it makes you fucking scumbag bigot or typical amerikkkan. take your pick. hthComment
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Actually the dark ages were called the dark ages because of the fall of the Roman empire which basically set the clock back.
In fact if you read your history, you will see it was the Catholic monks and their monastery's who saved most of the literature. Without that, progress would have been far slower.
Do not think that I am blindly defending Catholicism, I just want to draw a distinction between the religion and the people.
People have always been capable of good, evil and necessity. Fact.
People have always used some banner (be it patriotism, religion, bigotry, idealism) to try and exert power and influence. Its no different for Catholicism.
The religion, is actually very peaceful and when examined (as I have done indepth along side my English degree) from a historical and theological viewpoint is extraordinarily wonderful in its teachings on fairness and equality. When you get into Christological research you see this highlighted even more.
One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." (NIV, Mark 12:28-31)
The study of religion is absolutely fascinating. I would love to do it for a living but for the fact that I like fast cars and beautiful women
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uh, how exactly does a religion have more pull than another when the issue at hand is related to a structure? Maybe (just maybe) the Muslim people behind the mosque project had/have better negotiators to get a deal hammered out?
As far as I am concerned there should be no religious structures built or rebuilt near the twin tower site. Putting these churches and mosques there doesn't spark questions and dialogue, it sparks contempt and hate between people with differing religious views.
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Small percentage?
There are currently 1,500,000,000 muslims. You don't many percent to have a real problem.
Not to mention that yes, not all muslims are radical, lots want simply to live their life. However a fair percentage gives indirect support by not absolutely condemning not only terrorism, but the proselytising element for which islam is well known for, both in modern day's and certainly historically.
I was there in London on 7/7 (different story, but I would usually have gone on that tube
) and hearing some of the complete mother fuckers refuse to condemn (they said they did not condone) showed me just how hardened some peoples hearts are, backed up with their fervour.
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America's backbone is that of a Christian entity, hence I would support the indigenous cultures native religion, even though its NOT the countries religion.uh, how exactly does a religion have more pull than another when the issue at hand is related to a structure? Maybe (just maybe) the Muslim people behind the mosque project had/have better negotiators to get a deal hammered out?
As far as I am concerned there should be no religious structures built or rebuilt near the twin tower site. Putting these churches and mosques there doesn't spark questions and dialogue, it sparks contempt and hate between people with differing religious views.Email: Jaypas {:at:] hot mail {:dot:} comComment
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Since it was Islamic Extremist that destroyed the Church, as a building I would say it should be rebuilt.
But as a religious matter, maybe a building of prayer for all faiths would be more appropriate?Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Hey Shithead, there you go putting words in my post
Where did I say all islamic people?
I was referring to the assholes that attacked New York, you know, those fucking people.
Just like not all Muslims believe that a mosque should go there, the Koran teaches respect for others and putting it there shows insensitivity to the 9/11 eventCarbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
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sure does .....
US president George Bush has said that he was instructed by God to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new BBC series.
The claim comes from the first meeting between the US leader, the Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (also known as Abu Mazen), and his then foreign minister in June 2003.
The ministers say that Bush also revealed to them that he had been told by God to create a Palestinian state.
Former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath, now the information minister, describes the meeting with the US leader, in the BBC2 programme, Elusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs. He says: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan'."And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.
"'And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it."
Abbas, who was also at the meeting in the Egyptian resort of Sharm al-Sheikh, recounts how the President told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."
I have a harder time debating with a garage door then you : the door is smarter : it shuts the fuck up ...
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
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I think we should build a dry cleaners at ground zero.
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Soapbox? I'm not the one who makes daily posts crying boo-hoo about everything.
I was referring to your overall rhetoric. Shall we examine your post history?
The fact that you so quickly resort to personal attacks is - as most intelligent people know - a hallmark of poor debating skills, low intelligence, and insecurity when weathering public criticism.
When I woke up this morning and sat down at my workstation, I thought to myself "Hmm, I wonder if Vendzilla replied to my post? If so, I wonder if he merely made an intelligent rebuttal, or if he just resorted to name calling?"
Unfortunately, you disappointed me.
Notice how when I made my comment, I did not personally attack you or label you? I even took care to state that it was your stance and posting behavior that I took issue with, and that I wasn't branding you personally as an idiot, since you may very well be a very intelligent person with a poorly thought out worldview. Even though I gave you that respect, you unabashedly attacked me (instead of my stance), which is a disappointing testament to your intelligence and character.
In the future, if you want people to actually take anything you have to say seriously, I would suggest brushing up on these things.
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I think ALL religions are fucking stupid, retarded, brainwashing fairy tales, used to control people and push agendas, whether they be land wars, oil wars, water wars, or whatever.
That having been said, all of the fairy tale religions SHOULD be treated equally here in the US. Here in the US we have the RIGHT to ridicule, mock, make fun of, and laugh at whatever political and religious figures we wish to.
If you are practicing your fairy tale religion in our country, we get to make fun of Muhammad in ANY fucking way we want to, just like we get to make fun of Jesus, or whoever.
You want to worship your idiotic faith in the US, and we CAN'T make fun of Muhammad, then you get the fuck out of this country, we don't need your stupid ass shit here! And take your goofball face masks off too - you don't have the right to HIDE here in the US.
There! That's my semi-racist rant for today. Thank you for your time.Last edited by BFT3K; 08-18-2010, 07:06 AM.Comment
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In a perfect world....Soapbox? I'm not the one who makes daily posts crying boo-hoo about everything.
I was referring to your overall rhetoric. Shall we examine your post history?
The fact that you so quickly resort to personal attacks is - as most intelligent people know - a hallmark of poor debating skills, low intelligence, and insecurity when weathering public criticism.
When I woke up this morning and sat down at my workstation, I thought to myself "Hmm, I wonder if Vendzilla replied to my post? If so, I wonder if he merely made an intelligent rebuttal, or if he just resorted to name calling?"
Unfortunately, you disappointed me.
Notice how when I made my comment, I did not personally attack you or label you? I even took care to state that it was your stance and posting behavior that I took issue with, and that I wasn't branding you personally as an idiot, since you may very well be a very intelligent person with a poorly thought out worldview. Even though I gave you that respect, you unabashedly attacked me (instead of my stance), which is a disappointing testament to your intelligence and character.
In the future, if you want people to actually take anything you have to say seriously, I would suggest brushing up on these things.
I've tried this approach here. It doesn't work. I've since adapted & devolved myself and my posting styles to better fit the dynamic of GFY.SIG TOO BIGComment
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That's right, but the change that occurred after Christianity was declared the State religion cannot be swept under the rug. The fall of the empire was in some part due to Christianity -- a weakening from within.
This is simply not true. Most of the literature was saved because it went East, where Arabs were busy accumulating the works of Aristotle, etc. The Monks did however save Christian literature, but on the whole they were not interested in literature that did not support their view.In fact if you read your history, you will see it was the Catholic monks and their monastery's who saved most of the literature. Without that, progress would have been far slower.
Moreover, there was an overwhelming desire to ‘surrender to divine powers forcing men inwardly’ and ‘a need for’ supernatural revelation.
As a result, the thinkers of the area were not much interested in -- even discouraged from -- investigating the physical world. Contrariwise, the supreme task of Christian scholarship was to apprehend and deepen the truths of revelation.
Christianity during this time actively rejected scientific inquiry. This is just a small sampling of the attitude that permeated the dark ages when the Church was replacing the State…
Ambrose, Bishop of Milan on the study of the heavens said: “for wherein does it assist in Salvation”.
Justinian, on the thought that philosophical speculations aided heretics, closed the Platonic Academy in Athens.
John Crysostom, Arch Bishop of Constantinople said: “Restrain our reasoning, and empty our mind of secular learning, in order to provide a mind swept clear for the reception of divine words”.
By the 600's all but two of the learning centers were closed. This is indicative of what you got during the dark ages from the Church. The East during this time were far more innovative and productive.
Agreed. Unfortunately, you cannot remove human nature from the equation. It is pretty clear that the Church was just as guilty of trying to secure their own power and influence. And, the world got what they gave us during the dark ages, which for the most part was not pretty.Do not think that I am blindly defending Catholicism, I just want to draw a distinction between the religion and the people.
People have always been capable of good, evil and necessity. Fact.
People have always used some banner (be it patriotism, religion, bigotry, idealism) to try and exert power and influence. Its no different for Catholicism.
That's fine and all. I don't take issue with most of the ethical and moral teachings of Jesus, although there are some teachings that I find amusing to abhorrent.The religion, is actually very peaceful and when examined (as I have done indepth along side my English degree) from a historical and theological viewpoint is extraordinarily wonderful in its teachings on fairness and equality. When you get into Christological research you see this highlighted even more.
The real question is whether the supernatural claims are true and I find no evidence for that.
I see a long line of change, promulgated by the Church, and ending in something far removed from the Christology you mention.Last edited by wig; 08-18-2010, 07:25 AM.Comment
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