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brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSenator

Rush Limbaugh already spewing that the judge is a Clinton appointee.

she knows the law i hope. granting this temp order will calm them. 100 running illegals!

SpongeBub · 07-28-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin

I wish Joe Arpaio was part of ICE.

I wish he ran the whole damn thing! That guy is the closest thing we have to an American hero anymore.

SpongeBub · 07-28-2010, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's a good point, what do i know about american rights

i guess i could quote your founding fathers, but why laugh

i guess i could quote the WW2 propaganda, but why cry

so no, you're right, i have no idea what rights you guys do or don't have

i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on

Canada ... leading the world in being just north of America.

sperbonzo · 07-28-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

For those of you who are pissed off at the judge, keep in mind that this is just a preliminary ruling, and it was to be expected.

In a challenge to a statute like this, the party bringing the lawsuit always asks for a TRO against enforcement of the law pending adjudication. The court then looks at the statute and the challenge to it, and rules based on whether the plaintiff has a reasonable chance of prevailing at trial. The standard is not all that high, and the court tends to error to the side of caution, particularly when the statute in question is highly controversial, and opposed at the executive level of government.

ANY time the case involves potential for federal preemption of state law, the court is pretty likely to put a TRO against enforcement in place. This is because the feds, historically, have come out on top of such arguments a healthy percentage of the time.

In short, this is a procedural ruling, NOT necessarily an indication of what the court will eventually decide.

It's just judicial business as usual folks, nothing more. In the end, this same court/judge may well rule for Arizona, entirely. This is also Step 1 of MANY to come. Settle in for a long ride... this case is not going to resolve quickly; it is going to be appealed by the losing side (whichever side that turns out to be) every step of the way.

Outstanding post.... I'm not sure why it was seemingly ignored on this thread, unless it's because it completely negated the immediacy of this entire issue and rendered it to the "wait and see" column.

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brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Outstanding post.... I'm not sure why it was seemingly ignored on this thread, unless it's because it completely negated the immediacy of this entire issue and rendered it to the "wait and see" column.

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already knew that. i went to the court house. ill be there tomorrow watching people act crazy and get arrested. damn i might even film it.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

already knew that. i went to the court house. ill be there tomorrow watching people act crazy and get arrested. damn i might even film it.

I may run into you...LOL

Sheriff Joe said anyone who tries to block the jail in tomorrows demonstrations will be going to tent city and that he will have 0 tolerance for any civil disorder.

I have a feeling tent city is going to get full real fast.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Outstanding post.... I'm not sure why it was seemingly ignored on this thread, unless it's because it completely negated the immediacy of this entire issue and rendered it to the "wait and see" column.

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Oh, it wasn't ignored and it's probably one of the best thought out post I have read in a long time ;)

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I am sure what you have posted here are stats from "LEGAL" Mexican American?s or Chicanos who own businesses that pay taxes and not "ILLEGAL" Mexican's/Chicanos who mooch and drain the system in each and every state they squat in, along with not paying taxes.

I believe he is referring to ILLEGAL'S that do not pay into the system.

well, you mean income taxes, as anyone in your country still would pay sales tax

and the reason i posted this was because someone stated that most of the Hispanic population is on welfare

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SpongeBub

Canada ... leading the world in being just north of America.

that's unique

Vendzilla · 07-28-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

You certainly don't have to be a liberal to believe that it is a good thing that we have in this country a process for subjecting statutes to judicial scrutiny. (And if you work in the porn industry, you sure as shit depend on that process for your continued professional survival.)

Let's suppose that someday in the not too distant future, an anti-gun political action group in some state/municipality or another manages to muster enough signatures to get a measure on the ballot to simply outlaw guns in that state/municipality, and let's say that measure then passes by a popular vote.

Let's further suppose that a federal court then rules that state/municipality's new gun law unconstitutional (which it would be, IMO).

Would you complain that the court in the above hypothetical had violated the will of the people, or would you applaud the court for upholding the Constitution? I suspect you would be glad the court had the authority to review the law, and glad that it overturned it, as I would be.

Judicial review of legislative and/or voter action is a good thing, whether or not you or I like any given decision the courts make.

Do judges sometimes (or even often) rule in ways that are contrary to the intent of the Constitution and/or case law/precedent? Of course! Judges are human, and as such they are subject to biases that can cloud their judgment. This is a big part of the reason why our system has multiple checks and multiple layers of overriding authority built in.

At the end of the day, all we can do is set the system up to strongly discourage judicial bias, and have review of lower courts by higher courts in order to increase the likelihood that we catch and correct instances in which political subjectivity has tainted a given court's/judge's decision.

It ain't perfect.... but if you stack our court system up against that of other countries, I think you'll agree our system comes out of that comparison looking relatively good, really.

Very well said, and I believe in the constitution

Obama restored a requirement that the federal government spend only what it can afford ? a day after authorizing $1.9 trillion more federal debt.

Then when the GOP asked where they are getting the money for extending the unemployment benefits, they were branded the "Party of NO"

At the same time Arizona passes a law by a wide margin to just ask what country are you a citizen of and without even reading the bill, the American voter is ignored by filing a lawsuit against the bill. To me it's as simple as the residents of Arizona want to protect themselves and the Obamanation is telling them they can't do that. Where in the constitution does it say illegal aliens have the right to throw rocks at cops? where does it say that we will provide healthcare for free to anyone that can climb a fence?

And I'm asked why I hate Obama so damn much?

I think it's the job of the president to make sure that the citizens of the US are protected from crime from another country, that's why he sent more troops to Afghanistan isn't it?

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well, you mean income taxes, as anyone in your country still would pay sales tax

and the reason i posted this was because someone stated that most of the Hispanic population is on welfare

Federal Income, Social Security, and State.... Food is not taxed, welfare buys food.

charlie g · 07-28-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

that's a good point, what do i know about american rights

i guess i could quote your founding fathers, but why laugh

i guess i could quote the WW2 propaganda, but why cry

so no, you're right, i have no idea what rights you guys do or don't have

i'll just say i am pointing out the blatant racism that is going on

Maybe if things keep going the way they are, Americans will cross the border to the North to have their babies, get free medical care, get jobs and pay no taxes, and over burden the educational system. Then you get to pay more money to support them and to protect their rights.

I think what your missing here is the part "illegal". The constitution protects "American citizens" rights, not Canadians, Mexicans, or any other nationality. This has little to do with skin color, as the "legal" Hispanic immigrants are more pissed than american citizens over illegal immigration. But play the race card because it's popular and makes you seem intellectual.

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

Maybe if things keep going the way they are, Americans will cross the border to the North to have their babies, get free medical care, get jobs and pay no taxes, and over burden the educational system. Then you get to pay more money to support them and to protect their rights.

like during the vietnam war? or more like the underground railroad? i'm confused to which instance you were referring

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Originally Posted by charlie g

I think what your missing here is the part "illegal". The constitution protects "American citizens" rights, not Canadians, Mexicans, or any other nationality. This has little to do with skin color, as the "legal" Hispanic immigrants are more pissed than american citizens over illegal immigration. But play the race card because it's popular and makes you seem intellectual.

alright, explain to me clearly how your police officers are going to be able to distinguish between mexican hispanics and amercian hispanics

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

Maybe if things keep going the way they are, Americans will cross the border to the North to have their babies, get free medical care, get jobs and pay no taxes, and over burden the educational system. Then you get to pay more money to support them and to protect their rights.

I think what your missing here is the part "illegal". The constitution protects "American citizens" rights, not Canadians, Mexicans, or any other nationality. This has little to do with skin color, as the "legal" Hispanic immigrants are more pissed than american citizens over illegal immigration. But play the race card because it's popular and makes you seem intellectual.

Thank you!

We have friends that are Mexican and some came with their families years ago "The legal Route" and some that went through the process by themselves....you should hear what they say about the illegals and some of the names are truly funny coming from a Mexican.

We are all affected by the influx of illegal immigrants but the legal Mexican's are losing their jobs to the illegals who will work for nothing.

Vendzilla · 07-28-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

alright, explain to me clearly how your police officers are going to be able to distinguish between mexican hispanics and amercian hispanics

Drivers license, Visa, ID, fingerprint going thru a database, you pick

charlie g · 07-28-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

Businesses

1.6 million
The number of Hispanic-owned businesses in 2002.

* Nearly 43% of Hispanic-owned firms operated in construction; administrative and support, and waste management and remediation services; and other services, such as personal services, and repair and maintenance. Retail and wholesale trade accounted for nearly 36% of Hispanic-owned business revenue.
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Counties with the highest number of Hispanic-owned firms were Los Angeles County (188,422); Miami-Dade County (163,187); and Harris County, Texas (61,934).

Triple
The rate of growth of Hispanic-owned businesses between 1997 and 2002 (31%) compared with the national average (10%) for all businesses.

$222 billion
Revenue generated by Hispanic-owned businesses in 2002, up 19% from 1997.

44.6%
. . of all Hispanic-owned firms were owned by Mexicans, Mexican-Americans and Chicanos.

29,168
Number of Hispanic-owned firms with receipts of $1 million or more.

Wow, what is wrong with you? This is about illegal immigration... not hispanics. Please understand, this law is about stemming the tsunami of illegals wreaking havoc over the wester/southwestern part of the country (and elsewhere too).

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Drivers license, Visa, ID, fingerprint going thru a database, you pick

ah, i'm not sure i understand you.. cause that would sound like the distinction has been made

unless you guys have signed affidavits from all your legal mexican friends saying they don't mind proving their citizenship whenever the police see fit

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Very well said, and I believe in the constitution

Obama restored a requirement that the federal government spend only what it can afford ? a day after authorizing $1.9 trillion more federal debt.

Then when the GOP asked where they are getting the money for extending the unemployment benefits, they were branded the "Party of NO"

At the same time Arizona passes a law by a wide margin to just ask what country are you a citizen of and without even reading the bill, the American voter is ignored by filing a lawsuit against the bill. To me it's as simple as the residents of Arizona want to protect themselves and the Obamanation is telling them they can't do that. Where in the constitution does it say illegal aliens have the right to throw rocks at cops? where does it say that we will provide healthcare for free to anyone that can climb a fence?

And I'm asked why I hate Obama so damn much?

I think it's the job of the president to make sure that the citizens of the US are protected from crime from another country, that's why he sent more troops to Afghanistan isn't it?

So you hate every President... Not just Obama, that's how you should say it.

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

Wow, what is wrong with you? This is about illegal immigration... not hispanics. Please understand, this law is about stemming the tsunami of illegals wreaking havoc over the wester/southwestern part of the country (and elsewhere too).

you must have missed the message i was responding to

for your quick review:

'Weird, considering the majority of that "population" DOESNT pay taxes..'

you will realize this has nothing to do with you and you should pay attention to the question i just asked

charlie g · 07-28-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

like during the vietnam war? or more like the underground railroad? i'm confused to which instance you were referring

alright, explain to me clearly how your police officers are going to be able to distinguish between mexican hispanics and amercian hispanics

LOL, fucking hypocrite. Burns you up our hippies crossed in the 60's and 70's.

They will distinguish the same way they do everyone else. I MUST carry my driver's license when driving. And I have never gotten pissed when a cop ha asked to see my ID (which has happened many times throughout my life).

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

ah, i'm not sure i understand you.. cause that would sound like the distinction has been made

unless you guys have signed affidavits from all your legal mexican friends saying they don't mind proving their citizenship whenever the police see fit

They make them prove they have an ID, and not a single one I have talked to has a problem with that, and not all are citizens but they are here legally.

When I was in Canada, working legally. I was pulled over, and was asked if I had a passport or visa, after I gave them my ID. As well Immigration visited our office, make sure my papers were up to date.

If my papers weren't correct, they would have criminally charged the owners.

You do realize your laws are much like AZ's right?

bdjerk · 07-28-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin

"including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places."

You've got to be kidding me ... the undocumented workers is put on hold?

I wish Joe Arpaio was part of ICE.

you do huh? you are such a yippy lap dog sometimes. when was the last time you looked around and saw all the undocumented workers filling positions in society that american's are too fucking lazy to do. you should get more educated before you open your trap.

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

LOL, fucking hypocrite. Burns you up our hippies crossed in the 60's and 70's.

They will distinguish the same way they do everyone else. I MUST carry my driver's license when driving. And I have never gotten pissed when a cop ha asked to see my ID (which has happened many times throughout my life).

that's not what we're talking about, we're talking about the FULL confirmation that they are citizens

remember, identity fraud.. just cause they have the ol'D.L. means they have to provide more than the one document for identification

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

Wow, what is wrong with you? This is about illegal immigration... not hispanics. Please understand, this law is about stemming the tsunami of illegals wreaking havoc over the wester/southwestern part of the country (and elsewhere too).

Don't even try, he won't get it...I am sure of that.

charlie g · 07-28-2010, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

you must have missed the message i was responding to

for your quick review:

'Weird, considering the majority of that "population" DOESNT pay taxes..'

you will realize this has nothing to do with you and you should pay attention to the question i just asked

no, I got what you were insinuating, that all hispanics are here illegally, which i dead wrong. The plain fact i that many illegals work for cash money, and do not pay taxes.

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

They make them prove they have an ID, and not a single one I have talked to has a problem with that, and not all are citizens but they are here legally.

When I was in Canada, working legally. I was pulled over, and was asked if I had a passport or visa, after I gave them my ID. As well Immigration visited our office, make sure my papers were up to date.

If my papers weren't correct, they would have criminally charged the owners.

You do realize your laws are much like AZ's right?

funny, when i was in AZ they could have cared less for my passport

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bdjerk

you do huh? you are such a yippy lap dog sometimes. when was the last time you looked around and saw all the undocumented workers filling positions in society that american's are too fucking lazy to do. you should get more educated before you open your trap.

How about all the Companies they bust that hire illegals that are using fake ID's to get the job? Do you not think Americans would fill those jobs?

In Oklahoma they made it Criminal to hire illegals, the illegals left the State and the Citizens took the jobs back. That's right, it didn't hurt the construction, labor, housing, farmers, etc. - Because Americans took the jobs.

You should try reading up before you make yourself look stupid again.

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by charlie g

no, I got what you were insinuating, that all hispanics are here illegally, which i dead wrong. The plain fact i that many illegals work for cash money, and do not pay taxes.

i'm not insinuating anything, i just sent some stats showing that for the majority of the Hispanic population, business is booming

he stated they were on welfare

his opinion and government census seem to clash

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

funny, when i was in AZ they could have cared less for my passport

That's logical... the law isn't going yet. But that still doesn't change the fact that they do in Canada. Something your against, which your Country does.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

funny, when i was in AZ they could have cared less for my passport

Why would they care about your passport? Passports are checked when you leave the country or enter it. And I am sure you had to show some ID to get your tickets or board the plane.

If you get pulled over here, you better have some sort of ID if you are driving or your going to tent city

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's logical... the law isn't going yet. But that still doesn't change the fact that they do in Canada. Something your against, which your Country does.

actually i don't have much problem checking for citizenship of a country.. i initially said months ago, that all that needed to happen was a sensitivity school needed to be set up for Canadians, and you guys were in the clear

however, since this is more about mexicans than immigration

here we are

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Why would they care about your passport? Passports are checked when you leave the country or enter it. And I am sure you had to show some ID to get your tickets or board the plane.

If you get pulled over here, you better have some sort of ID if you are driving or your going to tent city

wouldn't that happen anyway?

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

wouldn't that happen anyway?

You make no sense. What does that mean?

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

actually i don't have much problem checking for citizenship of a country.. i initially said months ago, that all that needed to happen was a sensitivity school needed to be set up for Canadians, and you guys were in the clear

however, since this is more about mexicans than immigration

here we are

It's not about Mexicans, it's about Illegals which more happen to be Mexicans here. I'm sure all those Mexican-Americans that helped create the law are.. racist, I mean.. that's logical. And the majority of the state being Mexican-American and the majority of the State supporting it, crazy I know... all that self racism.

And the Police here are going through training... no worries.

Your Immigration laws are more about Asians, for damn sure in BC... what's the issue with ours?

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

You make no sense. Why wouldn't what happen anyway?

well driving without a license would result in:

having your car towed

going to jail

going home then to the police station with said license to avoid ticket

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

It's not about Mexicans, it's about Illegals which more happen to be Mexicans here. I'm sure all those Mexican-Americans that helped create the law are.. racist, I mean.. that's logical. And the majority of the state being Mexican-American and the majority of the State supporting it, crazy I know... all that self racism.

And the Police here are going through training... no worries.

Your Immigration laws are more about Asians, for damn sure in BC... what's the issue with ours?

again, the problem here is racial discrimination

no one can offer up a solution on how a police officer distinguishes between an American Hispanic and an Illegal Hispanic.

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

again, the problem here is racial discrimination

no one can offer up a solution on how a police officer distinguishes between an American Hispanic and an Illegal Hispanic.

Oh I know, I know... they do it exactly like they do it now! The police do bust illegals now, they just call ICE to take them away rather than booking them. It's not like the police officer didn't know the person was illegal, or they wouldn't have called ICE.

I would also bet it's much like Canadian Police knew I was American, they asked for an ID and I gave them one. However they didn't know I was working, yet asked if I had a Visa/Passport as well. Or I bet it's the same way they know an Asian is illegal in Cananda, they ask for an ID and papers.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

well driving without a license would result in:

having your car towed

going to jail

going home then to the police station with said license to avoid ticket

Then what was your point in making this comment

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

funny, when i was in AZ they could have cared less for my passport

You act as if you were pulled over or did something wrong and they did not care about your ID/passport which also makes no sense......

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Then what was your point in making this comment

You act as if you were pulled over or did something wrong and they did not care about your ID/passport which also makes no sense......

they took my bc driver license..

Vendzilla · 07-28-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

ah, i'm not sure i understand you.. cause that would sound like the distinction has been made

unless you guys have signed affidavits from all your legal mexican friends saying they don't mind proving their citizenship whenever the police see fit

All my Mexican friends have drivers licenses, even a couple from Guatemala, they don't need affidavits

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

So you hate every President... Not just Obama, that's how you should say it.

I focus on the present, it's not what happened in the past, it's about what's Barry doing to fix it!

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Oh I know, I know... they do it exactly like they do it now! The police do bust illegals now, they just call ICE to take them away rather than booking them. It's not like the police officer didn't know the person was illegal, or they wouldn't have called ICE.

a system of checks and balances..

_Richard_ · 07-28-2010, 05:15 PM

anyways, i guess i obviously will never get it

and either will the US Federal government for that matter

best of luck!

TheDoc · 07-28-2010, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

a system of checks and balances..

You mean like the lawsuits going on?

Or the legal system all illegals go through before deported to make sure they're illegal?

Logically the American/legal person is going to say they are, have a reason for the lost id, papers, passport or tell where they are. Give an address, work location, relatives, a phone number, maybe even a bill.

Personally, I would laugh at the person that didn't say anything and tell them they deserved it for being stupid.

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

anyways, i guess i obviously will never get it

and either will the US Federal government for that matter

best of luck!

The Fed Gov will get it once the State wins the Lawsuit.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

they took my bc driver license..

Arizona took your drivers license? If you did not have that, they would want your passport ;)

brassmonkey · 07-28-2010, 05:33 PM

wilcox is a nasty fat nasty

Why · 07-28-2010, 05:36 PM

im all fo the law and support it 100%. when i travel and when i lived legally in other countries i ALWAYS carried proof of citizenship, whether that be a passport or a visa. I would never even contemplate leaving home without my ID and would not be offended if asked to show it in another country, or my own.

to have a great nation you have to protect it, or you lose it. besides, if you're here legally, is it really a bother to show your ID? you have to go to a bar, buy a drink, buy cigaretes, fly on a plane and tons of other shit.

how this is even an argument in america is proof enough to me that this country is fucked. my ancestors came here legally. how that process works may have changed but thats life.

Nikki_Licks · 07-28-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

and either will the US Federal government for that matter

I don't think there are too many Americans left who gives a fuck about the federal government or what they think.

They are the key failure in the illegal immigration issue.

theking · 07-28-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Very well said, and I believe in the constitution

Obama restored a requirement that the federal government spend only what it can afford ? a day after authorizing $1.9 trillion more federal debt.

Then when the GOP asked where they are getting the money for extending the unemployment benefits, they were branded the "Party of NO"

At the same time Arizona passes a law by a wide margin to just ask what country are you a citizen of and without even reading the bill, the American voter is ignored by filing a lawsuit against the bill. To me it's as simple as the residents of Arizona want to protect themselves and the Obamanation is telling them they can't do that. Where in the constitution does it say illegal aliens have the right to throw rocks at cops? where does it say that we will provide healthcare for free to anyone that can climb a fence?

And I'm asked why I hate Obama so damn much?

I think it's the job of the president to make sure that the citizens of the US are protected from crime from another country, that's why he sent more troops to Afghanistan isn't it?

The constitution in Article I, Section 8 in creating the authority of the Congress, ?To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.? Thus from a Constitutional stand point it is the responsibility of Congress to establish all laws and rules of naturalization or immigration...not the states.

Ultimately it will be the Supreme Court that decides...if states have the power to pass laws that involve immigration...be it legal or illegal immigration.

As a believer in the constitution you should be pleased that our courts have a review process and that the Supreme Court decides what is constitutional and what isn't.

Vendzilla · 07-28-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by theking

The constitution in Article I, Section 8 in creating the authority of the Congress, ?To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.? Thus from a Constitutional stand point it is the responsibility of Congress to establish all laws and rules of naturalization or immigration...not the states.

Ultimately it will be the Supreme Court that decides...if states have the power to pass laws that involve immigration...be it legal or illegal immigration.

As a believer in the constitution you should be pleased that our courts have a review process and that the Supreme Court decides what is constitutional and what isn't.

that being said, they have set the rules, they are called illegal for a reason, they violate federal rule and law by not being here legally, the Arizona law only reinforces it.
It's also the sanctuary cities that are violating those rules, Arizona is being hammered because of political reasons.

If ultimately the law is turned down it will serve one thing that the citizens are fed up with politics as usual, which has become a trend

theking · 07-28-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

that being said, they have set the rules, they are called illegal for a reason, they violate federal rule and law by not being here legally, the Arizona law only reinforces it.
It's also the sanctuary cities that are violating those rules, Arizona is being hammered because of political reasons.

If ultimately the law is turned down it will serve one thing that the citizens are fed up with politics as usual, which has become a trend

The Arizona law does more than reinforce it...if the law is approved by the Supreme Court...which I do not think that it will be when it gets to them in a year or so...the Arizona law makes an illegal immigrant subject to a state law and they can be arrested/convicted and put in jail...simply for being an illegal immigrant.

The Arizona law does not provide the state with the power to deport (as only the federal government can deport but the federal government cannot arrest/convict and incarcerate someone simply for being an illegal immigrant...the federal government can temporarily incarcerate only for the purpose of deportation)...it only gives the state the power to arrest/convict and incarcerate.

If the law is not found to be constitutional by the Supreme Court...that would not be politics as usual but the Supreme Court doing its job...which is to decide what local...county...state...federal laws are constitutional or not.

07-28-2010, 05:33 PM	#145
brassmonkey Pay It Forward Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Yo Mama House Posts: 77,258	wilcox is a nasty fat nasty __________________ TRUMP 2025 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law! DACA ENDED - SUPPORT AZ HCR 2060 52R - email: brassballz-at-techie.com

07-28-2010, 05:15 PM	#142
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	anyways, i guess i obviously will never get it and either will the US Federal government for that matter best of luck!

07-28-2010, 05:36 PM	#146
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	im all fo the law and support it 100%. when i travel and when i lived legally in other countries i ALWAYS carried proof of citizenship, whether that be a passport or a visa. I would never even contemplate leaving home without my ID and would not be offended if asked to show it in another country, or my own. to have a great nation you have to protect it, or you lose it. besides, if you're here legally, is it really a bother to show your ID? you have to go to a bar, buy a drink, buy cigaretes, fly on a plane and tons of other shit. how this is even an argument in america is proof enough to me that this country is fucked. my ancestors came here legally. how that process works may have changed but thats life.