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kane · 07-17-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

he wants me to do all the operational changes and cover the cost out of my share

so there is absolutely no way that is going to be true.

remember the 5k each is the profit i am making, because the base fee covers the cost of doing all the training setup.

there is no cancelation, since it a percentage so there is no need to replace old clients.
new clients is all i have to worry about aquiring.

each time i teach the class it grows bigger.

so it an arithmatic sequence (5+10+15+20+25.....)

so that kind of growth is not that hard.

first of all the building blocks are interchangeable/recombinable so the number of income streams is massive.

i have only taught 20 blocks so far out 543. Every year i keep discovering new blocks, and new combinations.

as a result the average income has been growing with each year. i don't see a problem with hitting those numbers

your talking about my time vs support peoples time.

i teach because if questions come up, you can't really have they guy say i don't know i will have ask someone in the company.

when the support and hand holding stage comes around, that kind of statement is ok.

as they answer question, as the bank of faq answers get built up they ask us less and less.

that why i only teach one new module a year (it generates n! new potential revenue streams so that may slow in the future).

docs offer is an uphill battle even if he did it my way.

each building block can combine together with each other building blocks to create new revenue streams.

each one of revenue streams have to perfectly balanced in a nash equilibrium.

Now granted i know some that work already (because of testing) and i know some that logically should work (because of what i have learned during the teaching and refinement process) but there is a lot of work i need to do.

it was worth it, mainly because the membership stuff that could be learned if we work together could add new building blocks to teach (muscians don't have membership sites like you guys do so adapting them to their market would create new revenue streams)

but doc took those advantages away in his re-write of the deal.

the money offered is less than what i can get from any affiliate program i want at any time. with no agreement and no downside risk.

the upside is a tiny fraction of the upside i can currently get from what i am doing

and if i hit critical mass, i will have valid publishable stats, which means i can simply come here and say. Here the proof, do you want me to do the same thing for you.

what docs offering is not only less than what i am currently making
is not only less than i can get from any other affiliate program on the market
but money i can get in the future once my plans hit critical mass.

So then let me ask you this: Why are you here? Most of the people on this board think you are full of shit. Most of the people on this board think you are nothing more than an self-entitled downloader who feels he should have access to any content he wants any time he wants without paying for it. Most people hear think your techniques haven't made you anything more than beer money. So why waste your time?

I could understand it if you were here trying to sell your service. But you aren't. I could understand you wanting to make a point by showing proof, but you never have shown any proof. But what makes me wonder the most is this: If you really have discovered what you say you have and it is so valuable you are willing to turn away from a deal that could make you millions why are you here talking about different parts of it? Contrary to what you may believe there are some very smart people on this board who have made millions and been part of some major online innovations. If they read your posts and start doing their own research they might just figure out what you are up to. One truism of business is that no matter how smart and talented you are, there is someone out there that is smarter and more talented.

So why bother? It isn't like you have changed any minds.

What else makes no sense is that (if I understand it correctly) you are willing to share your techniques with the full board with the stipulation that if Robbie uses them he has
to release all of his content into the public domain. If your techniques are so valuable why would you just give them away to prove a point? Also, there is no way for you to enforce this agreement. If Robbie uses your technique how are you going to force him to put all his content into the public domain?

It seems to me that if I had some kind of formula that made me a lot of money from traffic and users that almost everyone writes off as worthless I would keep my mouth shut, keep my nose to the grindstone and cash in as much as possible before the word gets out, the technology changes or the gravy train comes to an end.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 06:21 PM

Basically as stated... in "our industry" how things work - which some people are still making millions and even hundreds of millions a year from - Gideon can not perform.

That was the actual point. He can't take a product like CM and generate a fresh 100 sales a day.

He has "his own business idea" which we all have or have had (ie: we're here) and he thinks it's better than the next guys. Even though some parts have already been proven to not work and are 10+ year old ideas already in our Industry.

As originally stated, "Think you can pump 100 sales a day?" I now know Gideon can not produce a 100 sales a day. He doesn't know how and does not have the knowledge to do so.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Did I quote that part or bring it up? No..... why do you twist what was written? I was clearly talking about our deal, not what you said you would be doing in this thread.

so that the only solution i present, and now your saying you want me to prove that my solution works, without using my solution.

wow how exactly is that going to work.

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It's really not that hard to understand watermarking... I have been making money openly in the piracy sources for 15 years, you trying to educate me on this is kind of a joke - but it's not hard to alter either way so it's not like I wouldn't take your input. I'm sure the video guy can handle the 15 seconds it would take to change anything.

so why try and exclude it from your operational costs. (1 down)

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Exactly... being that you know how to set it up properly you will be doing it. Again, we don't need to know what you do - that was the point.

so you will transfer the copyright to all the content produced to me so i can legally do this.

as well as hand over all the customer information so i know what accounts to create

your really trusting me if that the case since i could simple say sucker and walk away with a bunch of free content.

only the copyright holder can setup a tracker properly that the point. that why i said it was your operational cost to do it.

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No, it's hard to do product placement when you have nobody to do product placement.

so obviously ther would be no work to do on this if i fail to show you how to do it.

The only way there is operational work for you to maintain is if i can do "impossible"

again why avoid the operational cost then.

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Do you not understand how business works? You split it 50/50... if you're going to take part of our business and spend money on it, like I will be doing - then you will need to split the money 50/50 that we make from it.

Porn girls in porn shoots don't do live interaction, they shoot porn in a studio and go home. It's not like I have a studio setup for live cams or chat and for damn sure the storage required by law and all the other equipment, the people to manage and get girls that will do that, the ability to broadcast them online, maintain that, etc.

Now if you want that, I will help you make it go live on the 'net.

Simply put... this is not opening a paysite with content and you sending 100 sales a day.

The deal was very basic and simple... I would get us content, open a site, manage all that. You would get us a 100 sales a day. That's very different than spending 10 million dollars on a live cam/chat setup.

99% of paysites don't have self live cams, shows, or chat. The biggest sites in the world through the biggest programs, do not offer that is a feature they created, they use other peoples services and integrate them into our site - just like we would.

live interaction doesn't have to be a million dollar setup

ibangpornstars.com has a style that would work too as a base, that one computer, and a chat happening while the girl is there doing the shoot.

if combined with bought services (voyeurdorm etc) that should be enough.

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Take a screenshot of the sent mail to me with the mail headers showing, post that here to prove you're correct. Then forward me the email again, like anyone else would do that said they didn't get the mail from a person.

Zero programs pay him 50% of the total program 'net - ask any affiliate, zero affiliates get paid 50% of the total pgorams 'net. They pay him 50% of what he produces - you get 50% of everything produced.

I will gladly pay you 60 or 70 even 75% as an affiliate if you like.

but you said i was responsible for all sales, so there would be nothing else.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so that the only solution i present, and now your saying you want me to prove that my solution works, without using my solution.

wow how exactly is that going to work.

Yours isn't a solution, it's an idea that has already been done. You said your efforts could produce a 100 sales a day... that isn't true.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so why try and exclude it from your operational costs. (1 down)

As stated we would do any changes you wanted, this isn't a change that costs money, it takes 15 seconds to do and chances are we already do it far more advanced than what you would recommend doing it.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so you will transfer the copyright to all the content produced to me so i can legally do this.

as well as hand over all the customer information so i know what accounts to create

your really trusting me if that the case since i could simple say sucker and walk away with a bunch of free content.

only the copyright holder can setup a tracker properly that the point. that why i said it was your operational cost to do it.

As stated, I don't need to know what you do. If we have an agreement to do business together and are partners in the project, then it's equally as much your content as mine. As well you will have access to the customers, through the program.

If you have the software to setup your version of a tracker it wont have any operational costs.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so obviously ther would be no work to do on this if i fail to show you how to do it.

The only way there is operational work for you to maintain is if i can do "impossible"

again why avoid the operational cost then.

You would need to get the clients to do product placement. Being that we have done it before, it won't be anything new to us. What would be new is people that are willing to do it with a porn company and it being worth our while as a business, which isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

live interaction doesn't have to be a million dollar setup

ibangpornstars.com has a style that would work too as a base, that one computer, and a chat happening while the girl is there doing the shoot.

if combined with bought services (voyeurdorm etc) that should be enough.

Great, get the models, get the setup in place, get the manager for the girls and setup and have at it. I will be investing and putting my own money up on the other side. It's more than fair you take this side that you seem to know so much about.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

but you said i was responsible for all sales, so there would be nothing else.

Remember to send that email to me with the headers and take a screenshot for here.... everyone would love to see that email.

If you're responsible for all sales and we spit the total revenue of the program it means you will get paid on the natural sales, search engine sales and any other sales produced across every possible income stream.

That is vastly different than any affiliate has in our Industry, probably because you wouldn't be an affiliate - you would be a partner.

Reminder: I offered to pay you for the statistics to prove me wrong, and that failed too.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 07:00 PM

Gideon you can not produce a 100 sales a day.

Gideon you have never tested 'your ideas' in the real markets in porn or outside of porn.

Gideon you do not make money online, other than maybe some beer money.

Gideon you have never produced more than 100 sales total online. Not just in porn, everything online, ever.

Fuck... I would pay you just to prove me wrong. But that would turn into some stupid twisted deal that even a fool would embark on. I've offered to pay for stats and build a site together, hell just prove me wrong with the email would be an amazing first step.

At this point, you're a joke, a nobody, a stain. I'm jumping on the Robbie wagon and just ragging your ass on every single post you make, I'm asking Kane and the others to join in. I'm done talking to you until you prove you can actually live up to any single, micro part of your mouth.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

So then let me ask you this: Why are you here? Most of the people on this board think you are full of shit. Most of the people on this board think you are nothing more than an self-entitled downloader who feels he should have access to any content he wants any time he wants without paying for it. Most people hear think your techniques haven't made you anything more than beer money. So why waste your time?

I could understand it if you were here trying to sell your service. But you aren't. I could understand you wanting to make a point by showing proof, but you never have shown any proof. But what makes me wonder the most is this: If you really have discovered what you say you have and it is so valuable you are willing to turn away from a deal that could make you millions why are you here talking about different parts of it?

i learn something from every experience
for example i added the "i can't use it money back guarrentee" to our offer and it increased signups significantly (and so far no one has ever taken up the offer yet) because of the back and forth with robbie.

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Contrary to what you may believe there are some very smart people on this board who have made millions and been part of some major online innovations. If they read your posts and start doing their own research they might just figure out what you are up to. One truism of business is that no matter how smart and talented you are, there is someone out there that is smarter and more talented.

the cost of doing the same research would be astronomically high so i doubt that would happen.

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So why bother? It isn't like you have changed any minds.

i learn something from everything here (see above)

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What else makes no sense is that (if I understand it correctly) you are willing to share your techniques with the full board with the stipulation that if Robbie uses them he has
to release all of his content into the public domain. If your techniques are so valuable why would you just give them away to prove a point?

because he goaded me into making the offer and i am now honor bound to do it if he accepts. I am only giving away 5 of 543 building blocks so i still have stuff to sell.

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Also, there is no way for you to enforce this agreement. If Robbie uses your technique how are you going to force him to put all his content into the public domain?

think about for a second the safe harbor provision give total immunity as long as you obey VALID take down request

one of the conditions of a valid take down request is a declaration of a good faith belief of infringement under penalty of perjury.

if he was to agree, then i could simply ignore any take down request he make to me, and still be 100% protected by simply pointing the post he agreed to public domain status and demanding an explaination why he has a good faith belief that public domain content is an infringement.

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It seems to me that if I had some kind of formula that made me a lot of money from traffic and users that almost everyone writes off as worthless I would keep my mouth shut, keep my nose to the grindstone and cash in as much as possible before the word gets out, the technology changes or the gravy train comes to an end.

given the conditions (cost of research. fair use friendly liciencing) gfy is a canary in the coal mine. when people start agreeing with me, that when stuff i am talking about might start to be at risk. of course it only 5 out 543 blocks so it not really a big deal if that does happen.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Yours isn't a solution, it's an idea that has already been done. You said your efforts could produce a 100 sales a day... that isn't true.

i have no idea what a normal level of sales, i simply said that the system built on those 5 parts would plug the holes of piracy and bring sales to normal

your the one who claims 100 sales a day is normal.

that being said if you have done all this already then i need to see an example of each.

i am basing what i am saying on your agreement with robbie. and what i have seen of his work (his mistakes) if your not making the same mistakes (your doing everything right) maybe i am wrong then. It possible i didn't think 100 sales a day was a normal every day thing either.

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As stated we would do any changes you wanted, this isn't a change that costs money, it takes 15 seconds to do and chances are we already do it far more advanced than what you would recommend doing it.

i doubt it even modern day television shows are not doing it correctly

but like i said i could be wrong i didn't think 100 sales a day was a normal every day thing either until you brought it up.

show me an example.

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As stated, I don't need to know what you do. If we have an agreement to do business together and are partners in the project, then it's equally as much your content as mine. As well you will have access to the customers, through the program.

If you have the software to setup your version of a tracker it wont have any operational costs.

there is some day to day stuff, but it basically replaces what you should be doing now (DCMA stuff) with something else, timewise it an equal or less change.

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You would need to get the clients to do product placement. Being that we have done it before, it won't be anything new to us. What would be new is people that are willing to do it with a porn company and it being worth our while as a business, which isn't the case.

again you would have to show me what you have done. since i based my statements on robbie declarations and your agreement, if you done product placement correctly. if you understand q-ratio then i could be completely wrong.

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Great, get the models, get the setup in place, get the manager for the girls and setup and have at it. I will be investing and putting my own money up on the other side. It's more than fair you take this side that you seem to know so much about.

is this going to be a mainstream or a porn site, backwards adaption of the live interaction stuff i did in mainstream, does not translate into experience in dealing with porn models.

that your expertise, you shoot that type of content. that why i want it to be your area. ibangpornstar.com style live interaction would be adding a computer with a web cam and a internet connection to your already established procedure for shooting a model.

it just a matter of adding that part to the contract you normally sign with the girl and paying the extra fee.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 07:44 PM

More bullshit... nobody said it was normal, it has been made clear it's not normal, it's very clear not everyone could do it, clearly something that will make us a couple million bucks each is not normal or everyone would be 4-5 million a year, if it was normal. If people won't do product placement, the ratio is pulled out of your ass like the rest of your abilities.

I'm time shifting myself to the hot tub... might do some seeding later. I await the forwarded email with the headers that proves you even took step 1.

Lots of talk... zero show gideon - tick - tock!

kane · 07-17-2010, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i learn something from every experience
for example i added the "i can't use it money back guarrentee" to our offer and it increased signups significantly (and so far no one has ever taken up the offer yet) because of the back and forth with robbie.

the cost of doing the same research would be astronomically high so i doubt that would happen.

i learn something from everything here (see above)

because he goaded me into making the offer and i am now honor bound to do it if he accepts. I am only giving away 5 of 543 building blocks so i still have stuff to sell.

think about for a second the safe harbor provision give total immunity as long as you obey VALID take down request

one of the conditions of a valid take down request is a declaration of a good faith belief of infringement under penalty of perjury.

if he was to agree, then i could simply ignore any take down request he make to me, and still be 100% protected by simply pointing the post he agreed to public domain status and demanding an explaination why he has a good faith belief that public domain content is an infringement.

given the conditions (cost of research. fair use friendly liciencing) gfy is a canary in the coal mine. when people start agreeing with me, that when stuff i am talking about might start to be at risk. of course it only 5 out 543 blocks so it not really a big deal if that does happen.

So just give us some proof. Make a screenshot of the email you sent to Doc. Just black out any part of it that might have sensitive material in it. You also claim that just a week or so ago you had a class with 30 different people. You said you had expenses and it sounded like you rented a conference room and maybe had other costs. So scan some paid invoices. Just black out your real name if you want and write Gideon Gallery above it so we know it is you. Scan a copy of a canceled check. Again, just black out the sensitive stuff like your account number.

Just shows us this stuff. An email, an invoice a canceled check or two and maybe you would have some creditability. Right now you are just a guy who is talking about something you have done and can do yet every time you are asked for proof you fail to deliver.

Agent 488 · 07-17-2010, 08:31 PM

ha you suck.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

More bullshit... nobody said it was normal, it has been made clear it's not normal, it's very clear not everyone could do it, clearly something that will make us a couple million bucks each is not normal or everyone would be 4-5 million a year, if it was normal.

everything i teach is a multiplier effect, it turns the negative of piracy into a positive that all.

you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio.

i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time.

i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging.

if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques

if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it.

So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail.

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If people won't do product placement, the ratio is pulled out of your ass like the rest of your abilities.

what are you talking about
itvx q-ratio is one of the most widely recognized metric for determining the value of a product placement.

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iTVX will be using the Q-ratio system, which is a measurement system similar to CPMs. It is a system with over 50 factors that will be used to determine how effective and how high quality each product placement is. Once the Q-ratio is more popular and better established it will be easy for companies to use the system to set benchmarks. In addition to the Q-ratio the company also offers services such as the iTVX Instant Access Player, the Media Pro Valuator, and Strategic Consulting to help with all of a brand's product placement evaluation needs.

it the one we use because it covers all the relevent points we deal with.

what metric do you use, provide a link i will re-evaluate base on that metric if you want.

kane · 07-17-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

everything i teach is a multiplier effect, it turns the negative of piracy into a positive that all.

you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio.

i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time.

i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging.

if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques

if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it.

So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail.

It is very simple. Ratios can vary from 1:100 with good traffic up to 1:xx,xxx with bad. If you can supply quality traffic to the site that converts at 1:200 then you would need to send around 20K uniques per day. So whatever it takes to get 20,000 people to the site each day is what you would need to do. Obviously, you would have to adjust that number depending on the quality of the traffic.

He said 100 sales per day not because it is the average, but because that was the minimum he would accept to get involved in this project. He isn't going to go to the expense and time to build a site and get everything set up only to have you send 3 joins per day.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

It is very simple. Ratios can vary from 1:100 with good traffic up to 1:xx,xxx with bad. If you can supply quality traffic to the site that converts at 1:200 then you would need to send around 20K uniques per day. So whatever it takes to get 20,000 people to the site each day is what you would need to do. Obviously, you would have to adjust that number depending on the quality of the traffic.

He said 100 sales per day not because it is the average, but because that was the minimum he would accept to get involved in this project. He isn't going to go to the expense and time to build a site and get everything set up only to have you send 3 joins per day.

i understand that but what i teach creates a multiplier effect if a musician is currently making 10k a year from their music before, they have a base of sales, what i teach will allow them to make a little over 40k.

it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero.

that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing.

if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here.

Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales.

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i understand that but what i teach creates a multiplier effect if a musician is currently making 10k a year from their music before, they have a base of sales, what i teach will allow them to make a little over 40k.

it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero.

that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing.

if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here.

Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales.

You are totally and completely insane.

Have you made any money yet gideongallery? Do all these mathematical formulas add up to jack shit in the real world? Dude you are seriously, seriously delusional.

And how's that torrent recorder thing working out for ya? A few months ago that was your big "get rich scheme" Now you've suddenly become a high paid consultant in marketing?

And yet you've never marketed anything! You're just copy/pasting stupid shit out of articles you read with mathematical equations and theories on sales.

Guess what dumbass...those equations are leaving out the most important thing: Competing with FREE

And that is SUPPOSED to be what you were going to show us how to overcome.

How about this gideongallery: Show the screenshot of the email to TheDoc.
Prove that just ONE thing you have said isn't a lie.
You can't.

You are the most impotent human being I've ever met. You can't do ANYTHING.

I can say without a doubt that you are simply and utterly useless on GFY. Please leave. You don't belong here and should be BANNED for not being a member of the adult business.

I'm pretty sure that the new rules here require new members to prove they are in the industry before being approved.

So if you tried signing up to GFY now you would NOT be approved.

Keep on making a big dumbass target of yourself and I'll go out of my way to see to it that you get banned for not being in this industry.

And I'll pull all my links to adult.com, playboywebmasters, and realitycash to make my point to the mods if necessary.

How does that sound to you gideongallery?

Now show proof of you email, or else I would suggest that you shut the fuck up.

kane · 07-18-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i understand that but what i teach creates a multiplier effect if a musician is currently making 10k a year from their music before, they have a base of sales, what i teach will allow them to make a little over 40k.

it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero.

that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing.

if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here.

Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales.

Well, show some proof that what you teach actually works and I would bet Doc would be willing to work with you. If you got some input from him and he helped you start with a base of traffic (or whatever you needed) and you told him with 60 days you could be at 100 joins every day, he might be willing to do that.

At this point all you do is talk talk talk and offer up a bunch of ideas that are based on IF's

Show the email you sent to Doc and show some proof that you actually have applied these ideas and made some money and maybe people will take you more seriously.

As of now you come off like a little punk who comes up with a million reasons why they shouldn't go through with something.

PS. if you are betting your future on long term streams of revenue from musicians, you are in for a real awakening. Most musicians have a career that lasts less than 5 years and about 99% of them don't make much money during that 5 years and those that do hit it big will most likely jump to a major label and dump your ass. If you believe you are going to teach a bunch of musicians how to make money with their music online and have it be a lifetime revenue stream, you have give zero thought to your long term plan.

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

everything i teach is a multiplier effect, it turns the negative of piracy into a positive that all.

you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio.

i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time.

i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging.

if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques

if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it.

So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail.

what are you talking about
itvx q-ratio is one of the most widely recognized metric for determining the value of a product placement.

it the one we use because it covers all the relevent points we deal with.

what metric do you use, provide a link i will re-evaluate base on that metric if you want.

More bullshit on top of bullshit. As stated, Piracy sales/traffic isn't anything new to me. You have no idea what volume of sales torrents can produce for any Industry.

Your mouth makes it sound as if you want to compare what you do to what we do, "we" produce sales. We being people like myself, Robbie, kane and lots of others that have actually make money, made millions yearly from the sales produced daily, from what was created from scratch, from what we actually know and have done.

That's the point, we aren't pretending to know what we do, because we actually do it every day.

Hahaha, itvx q-ratio, you sure think highly of our Industry - that sure is nice of ya. I hate repeating myself, but again.. ratios mean nothing when they won't advertise in porn - that's before them laughing at our viewing numbers.

You can stop pretending you have a clue now, we all know you don't. Now you're just being laughed at...

gideongallery · 07-18-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

More bullshit on top of bullshit. As stated, Piracy sales/traffic isn't anything new to me. You have no idea what volume of sales torrents can produce for any Industry.

Your mouth makes it sound as if you want to compare what you do to what we do, "we" produce sales. We being people like myself, Robbie, kane and lots of others that have actually make money, made millions yearly from the sales produced daily, from what was created from scratch, from what we actually know and have done.

That's the point, we aren't pretending to know what we do, because we actually do it every day.

Hahaha, itvx q-ratio, you sure think highly of our Industry - that sure is nice of ya. I hate repeating myself, but again.. ratios mean nothing when they won't advertise in porn - that's before them laughing at our viewing numbers.

You can stop pretending you have a clue now, we all know you don't. Now you're just being laughed at...

you said you did product placement somewhere else.

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You would need to get the clients to do product placement. Being that we have done it before, it won't be anything new to us

so if you didn't use q-ratio as the metric what did you use, and what were the values. i will re-evaluate based on whatever metric you used.

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

you said you did product placement somewhere else.

WTF, how in hell did you get this statement out of what I wrote?

Sticking to the theme of what I did write though, I have to say I know you haven't ever done product placement before.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so if you didn't use q-ratio as the metric what did you use, and what were the values. i will re-evaluate based on whatever metric you used.

Nothing to re-evaluate. Again, you have to have the companies first that will advertise and again they won't advertise in porn - even if you have the perfect ratio.

P.S. Don't forget the email and screenshots, nothing on this end still, I don't see any SS's in the thread... waiting though.

gideongallery · 07-18-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

WTF, how in hell did you get this statement out of what I wrote?

in post 254 on this page you said (in response to my product placement statement)

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You would need to get the clients to do product placement. Being that we have done it before, it won't be anything new to us.

What would be new is people that are willing to do it with a porn company and it being worth our while as a business, which isn't the case.

i didn't change your quote you said "we have done it before"

you just got caught in a bald face lie, what is worse it a lie from this page alone.

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Sticking to the theme of what I did write though, I have to say I know you haven't ever done product placement before.

that the differnence while i suspect you have never done product placement properly, i don't know, that why i asked for metrics for the product placement "we have done ... before"

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Nothing to re-evaluate. Again, you have to have the companies first that will advertise and again they won't advertise in porn - even if you have the perfect ratio.

that the exact opposite way product placements industry works. the product placement is written in, the metric is generated on the placeholder, and THEN sold to potential companies.

have you ever thought that reason you can't get it to work is that your doing it "bass ackwards".

statements like this make me suspect you haven't done product placement at all (not in mainstream either) since any competent advertiser would have asked for the metrics.

but again i give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask for the product placement "have done ... before"

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P.S. Don't forget the email and screenshots, nothing on this end still, I don't see any SS's in the thread... waiting though.

and i am still waiting for the answers to my questions.

you have been caught in the lie(on this page no less), game theory says you should go first.

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

in post 254 on this page you said (in response to my product placement statement)

i didn't change your quote you said "we have done it before"

you just got caught in a bald face lie, what is worse it a lie from this page alone.

We're talking about #266, here is you reply #267

Well, I'm glad you can read part of what I write... We have done it before, not really sure how you pulled the lie part of your ass, it's not like I said we haven't done it.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

that the differnence while i suspect you have never done product placement properly, i don't know, that why i asked for metrics for the product placement "we have done ... before"

Right.... I suspect you don't know anything about product placement, being that you go through broker companies that work with large number of clients/products, that hook the deals up for you, contact the clients, that tell you you're screwed.

Odd that none of them asked for a q-ratio, maybe because it can't get to that point once they find out you're porn.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

that the exact opposite way product placements industry works. the product placement is written in, the metric is generated on the placeholder, and THEN sold to potential companies.

have you ever thought that reason you can't get it to work is that your doing it "bass ackwards".

statements like this make me suspect you haven't done product placement at all (not in mainstream either) since any competent advertiser would have asked for the metrics.

but again i give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask for the product placement "have done ... before"

You know who does product placement in porn companies? Other porn companies... yep, it's crazy. You can read the reply above about your matrix time word of how things work when you're dealing with porn vs. mainstream.

What have you ever created that was original or helped create or brokered, that actually got enough views that you could get product placement in it and make an income? That's really how we know you haven't done it.

It should be easy to tell us which video, movie, music video or whatever it was, I'm sure it's in the millions of views/downloads... care to share?

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

and i am still waiting for the answers to my questions.

you have been caught in the lie(on this page no less), game theory says you should go first.

Oh those naughty lies....and lame twists.

You wouldn't be talking about the email you sent me, would you? That you could easily post screenshots of and forward me the sent email which would have the sent headers in it.... Remember, you lied about sending an email to me with the deal - everyone here knows you didn't, because you can't backup anything you claim.

The 3 Kings await your return post with proof! Anything else is will be treated as an act of treason against the great gfy kingdom!

peruviantalk · 07-18-2010, 02:09 PM

I don't get why idiots try to deal with an idiot.

Replying to him is useless, yet you keep trying.

If you reply to gideon ..I am talking about you.

gideongallery · 07-18-2010, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

We're talking about #266, here is you reply #267

which included your word for word claim you did it before

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Well, I'm glad you can read part of what I write... We have done it before, not really sure how you pulled the lie part of your ass, it's not like I said we haven't done it.

if you have done product placement successfully before
and it didn't work in porn, then the only place you could have done it successfully was in mainstream.

that why i said

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you said you did product placement somewhere else.

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Right.... I suspect you don't know anything about product placement, being that you go through broker companies that work with large number of clients/products, that hook the deals up for you, contact the clients, that tell you you're screwed.

Odd that none of them asked for a q-ratio, maybe because it can't get to that point once they find out you're porn.

you claimed you have done product placement

now your claiming you can't do product placement.

your making no sense.

so what exactly was the product placement you did successfully.

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You know who does product placement in porn companies? Other porn companies... yep, it's crazy.

so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead.

i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn.

btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question

what was the product placement you claimed you have done before.

kane · 07-18-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

which included your word for word claim you did it before

if you have done product placement successfully before
and it didn't work in porn, then the only place you could have done it successfully was in mainstream.

that why i said

you claimed you have done product placement

now your claiming you can't do product placement.

your making no sense.

so what exactly was the product placement you did successfully.

so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead.

i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn.

btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question

what was the product placement you claimed you have done before.

Forget product placement. Hell, forget this deal as a whole, it clearly isn't going to happen now. Just show us the email you claim to have sent to Doc. You have been asked to show the screenshot of it several times, yet you still haven't done it. If you can't deliver on that little claim, what makes anyone think you can deliver on anything you claim?

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

which included your word for word claim you did it before

if you have done product placement successfully before
and it didn't work in porn, then the only place you could have done it successfully was in mainstream.

that why i said

you claimed you have done product placement

now your claiming you can't do product placement.

your making no sense.

so what exactly was the product placement you did successfully.

so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead.

i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn.

btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question

what was the product placement you claimed you have done before.

This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again?

No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones.

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Forget product placement. Hell, forget this deal as a whole, it clearly isn't going to happen now. Just show us the email you claim to have sent to Doc. You have been asked to show the screenshot of it several times, yet you still haven't done it. If you can't deliver on that little claim, what makes anyone think you can deliver on anything you claim?

Exactly... and the dance continues...

Robbie · 07-18-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again?

No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones.

He doesn't. So the deal is off. Can a mod please ban his ass already? He doesn't meet the criteria of being in this business in any way at all.

TheDoc · 07-18-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

He doesn't. So the deal is off. Can a mod please ban his ass already? He doesn't meet the criteria of being in this business in any way at all.

I don't see why not, seems to be more than enough proof in this thread.

gideongallery · 07-18-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again?

No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones.

so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain.

Socks · 07-18-2010, 06:56 PM

You guys are talking to gideon?

kane · 07-18-2010, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain.

What does this have to do with the email you claim to have already sent?

Clearly the deal isn't going to happen. At this point people think you are 100% full of shit. At least if you showed proof that you sent the email or that you actually make money with your ideas it would give you something resembling a sliver of creditability.

Robbie · 07-18-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain.

You need to be banned from GFY. You aren't supposed to be here surfer.

07-17-2010, 06:21 PM	#252
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Basically as stated... in "our industry" how things work - which some people are still making millions and even hundreds of millions a year from - Gideon can not perform. That was the actual point. He can't take a product like CM and generate a fresh 100 sales a day. He has "his own business idea" which we all have or have had (ie: we're here) and he thinks it's better than the next guys. Even though some parts have already been proven to not work and are 10+ year old ideas already in our Industry. As originally stated, "Think you can pump 100 sales a day?" I now know Gideon can not produce a 100 sales a day. He doesn't know how and does not have the knowledge to do so. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-17-2010, 07:00 PM	#255
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Gideon you can not produce a 100 sales a day. Gideon you have never tested 'your ideas' in the real markets in porn or outside of porn. Gideon you do not make money online, other than maybe some beer money. Gideon you have never produced more than 100 sales total online. Not just in porn, everything online, ever. Fuck... I would pay you just to prove me wrong. But that would turn into some stupid twisted deal that even a fool would embark on. I've offered to pay for stats and build a site together, hell just prove me wrong with the email would be an amazing first step. At this point, you're a joke, a nobody, a stain. I'm jumping on the Robbie wagon and just ragging your ass on every single post you make, I'm asking Kane and the others to join in. I'm done talking to you until you prove you can actually live up to any single, micro part of your mouth. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 07-17-2010 at 07:03 PM..

07-17-2010, 07:44 PM	#258
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	More bullshit... nobody said it was normal, it has been made clear it's not normal, it's very clear not everyone could do it, clearly something that will make us a couple million bucks each is not normal or everyone would be 4-5 million a year, if it was normal. If people won't do product placement, the ratio is pulled out of your ass like the rest of your abilities. I'm time shifting myself to the hot tub... might do some seeding later. I await the forwarded email with the headers that proves you even took step 1. Lots of talk... zero show gideon - tick - tock! __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

07-17-2010, 08:31 PM	#260
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	ha you suck.

07-18-2010, 02:09 PM	#271
peruviantalk Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 65	I don't get why idiots try to deal with an idiot. Replying to him is useless, yet you keep trying. If you reply to gideon ..I am talking about you.

07-18-2010, 06:56 PM	#279
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	You guys are talking to gideon?