RK Media (Nasty$) Sued by Eight Recording Studios - Page 5 - GoFuckYourself.com

TheDoc · 07-12-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

offer still stands as originally agreed to, only thing holding it up is docs attempt to redefine it as something else.

You didn't make me an offer... I made you the offer. The offer has been stated many times, it's very simple. I do my part, you do yours. I don't do your part and you don't do mine, processors pay us, we split it all. Very simple.... zero reason for you to twist it.

And 100 joins a day is worth a more than $150k a month. At 30% you're taking a loss of member growth month over month, the average is 50% which is a sustained growth, anything above that is $300k+ a month.

You have said shit about lawyers, legal crap, and changed and twisted this in almost every post from the day I made the offer. The offer still stands, it's not anything anyone on here is confused about - my contact info is below.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 07-12-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

They had 'non-licensed sections' which others have, that also allowed downloads and sold software to manage the download, to watch movies recorded from theaters that had thumb prints embedded in the movies showing these sites were the stream of the original source of the piracy based on location of the operators. So it wasn't user uploaded and wasn't licensed as well.

They were shut down for counterfeiting. Not the other forms of piracy.

They did allow downloads, that's true. Perhaps that means that it falls under the umbrella of counterfeit legally. But they weren't selling the movies to users as far as I can see.

kane · 07-12-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

do you see any economic loss declarations like the ones you made up in your counter arguement

NO

so in this case

that exactly what fair use allows you to do.
when copyright is used as a censorship/monopoly extention instead of protect income of the content that exactly what fair use has done every single time

sony didn't get permission from universal
diamond rio did not get permission from the RIAA.

Sorry, you are wrong. Just because your use of a song in a porn video doesn't damage someone economically doesn't mean you can just use it. Plus, there is no way to know exact damages. If I used a Jonas Brothers song in a porn movie, it may not hurt their sales that day, but it could hurt their reputation and cost them endorsements or other things down the road.

Copyright isn't all about protecting lost sales, it is also about protecting the right of the holder to control the use and distribution of it.

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i will say it again

if i could simply deny you the use of my copyright material for any reason i wanted then i want you to prove you believe what you believe is just as good a reason as any other.

your right if you wanted to send traffic to inferior tours, or other sponsors you could.

but that exactly the point if i don't want you to gain an advantage from my IP i should have a right to take away the income you make from using that IP without my permission.

Even if there is no economic impact to that banning.

if you sent traffic to a tour using my IP without my permission you would be infringing on my copyright

that the stupidest statement you have made, just because fair use prevents me from banning you for non economic impact reasons, doesn't mean that a program can screw you for another reason.

this is one specific case, where you want to profit from my copyrighted work (and licienced derivation) and my ability to stop you even though i can't show economic damage from that selective economic censorship.

You argued i should have the right. If you truly believed i have that right anyway, you should have a problem agreeing to give me that right.

Okay, let me end this stupid argument because, honestly, I don't even really know what the fuck you are talking about.

Yes. If you show a company some magic formula and they decide that this gives them the right to now take my traffic and not pay me for yes, they can have it. Yes, I will give them that right. Yes, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. And I will take my traffic and move on to a different site, one of their competitors and not miss a beat. I grant them any power they want.

Is this ever going to happen? No. Why? It has nothing to do with fair use and everything to do with the market. If a company is able to change their tour and better convert my traffic we both win because we both make more money. They know if they just start taking it and not paying me they will lose 100% of it. So they aren't going to do that and if they do, I move on.

I have seen companies go from thriving to collapsing and closing their doors in a matter of days just because they did something stupid and that action got made public and people pulled their links from them. A company starts taking traffic from its affiliates, fair use or not, they better be ready to go it alone because the affiliates will leave very quickly.

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exactly what i agreed to,

if maintaining the tracker, submitting the torrents, sending out the letter, and any other grunt work necessary was what i need he would do it.

when i said

he responded with

he said produce not personally send 100 sales
if i teach him something new and that technique generates an average of 20 sales a day, i produced 20 sales a day even if he did all the work of maintaining it because without that tutoring those sales would not have happened.

and that what he tried to reclassify it as after i sent him the document spelling out exactly what the deal was.

he claimed he never recieved it. now i know why.

ok so after working like a dog for a year i get 719k i put that in the bank at 10% that translates into $71,900 a year forever.

i just taught 30 people, even with all of the upfront fees going event and support cost (renting room, support site , etc) my profits is about 5k per year per student. or 150k per year forever. it only takes me a week to teach these guys (5 days actually)

now lets talk upside, first of all i would be competing with myself in that situation, so it would get harder and harder with each new site.

second the number of students i teach is getting larger each time, so even with 2+ months of prep time between classes the total number of residual incomes is growing quickly.

IF i can get enough students so that the size is statistically accurate (1500 min) and the average income levels are stable then i can prove we can produce results superior to signing with a record company. when that happens i will be teaching in front of class in the 100s
even if that increased competition cause our average to drop to say $3200 (what our fee would be for an average recording artist) that still a shit load more money then i would earn proving my point to you.

add the fact that stuff i am showing these guys will work for tv shows, and those licience out in the 2-3 million an episode mark. and the maximum upside is conservatively 100 millions not just 1-2 million.

now if the deal was what i agreed to orginally it worth the risk, i could show doc the 5 things that i talked about in a week, 719k/ year for a weeks work is worth my time that worth doing even if it cost me a weeks worth of training.

offer still stands as originally agreed to, only thing holding it up is docs attempt to redefine it as something else.

I believe you teach 30 people per week how to use your formula and net 5K per year per student like I believe I have 19 inch cock and walk it on the leash like a dog.

We both know this isn't true.

Just handle it this way. Hire a guy at 60K per year to run all the grunt work for Doc's site. You then only have to teach him how it is done and sometimes check in on him and you still make at least 660K per year. And you get that money for doing nothing but what you already claim you are doing. Show them, watch over them and guide them, cash huge checks. But I think we both know the answer you will give.

You remind me of one of those people who always has a get rich quick plan. You have an idea and you visualize it as this huge thing, but you never get it off the ground because it either doesn't really work how you envision it or you never get past all the details to actually take the first step and make it happen.

will76 · 07-12-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

ND's lawyers will argue that the end users intent wasn't to listen to the video, it was to watch the video. The music wasn't being used as the end result, the image content was. So the award will be a small percentage.

the simple response to that is..... then if it wasn't being used as the end result and wasn't a big part of the process then why did they go through the trouble of making sure it was there and using it. Surely if they added the music to the clips they must have thought it would increase their sales or add some value to it. It's not like, opps we caught some back ground music in the video right? it was purposely put there? correct ?

TheDoc · 07-12-2010, 09:45 PM

I'm going to end my posting with this. Best of luck RK, honestly... I hope you pull the magic rabbit out of the hat. If you can set some legal standard, this could benefit us as an Industry through the ability to attract a greater market share.

xxxjay · 07-12-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kane

Sorry, you are wrong. Just because your use of a song in a porn video doesn't damage someone economically doesn't mean you can just use it. Plus, there is no way to know exact damages. If I used a Jonas Brothers song in a porn movie, it may not hurt their sales that day, but it could hurt their reputation and cost them endorsements or other things down the road.

Copyright isn't all about protecting lost sales, it is also about protecting the right of the holder to control the use and distribution of it.

eRock · 07-13-2010, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Side note.... The music Industry posted record sales and income last year and this year is kicking ass for them too. This isn't about 'needing money' - 75 million is a drop in the bucket to them.

Sales/revenues are far from 'kicking ass'...I don't know where you got that info from.

pornlaw · 07-13-2010, 08:33 AM

All of you may want to read this article about Fair Use from Standford....

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-b.html

These are the four elements that RK will be trying to prove, if they let this case go to trial.... It is really their only defense...

The four factors judges consider are:

1.the purpose and character of your use
2.the nature of the copyrighted work
3.the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
4.the effect of the use upon the potential market.

This analysis is not an easy one and requires actually knowing case law. Its not intuitive.

GrouchyAdmin · 07-13-2010, 08:39 AM

You can always use the Vanilla Ice Defense:

“...See, our’s is ding-ding-ding-duh-duh-ding-ding…”

Robbie · 07-13-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by pornlaw

All of you may want to read this article about Fair Use from Standford....

http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyrigh...pter9/9-b.html

These are the four elements that RK will be trying to prove, if they let this case go to trial.... It is really their only defense...

The four factors judges consider are:

1.the purpose and character of your use
2.the nature of the copyrighted work
3.the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and
4.the effect of the use upon the potential market.

This analysis is not an easy one and requires actually knowing case law. Its not intuitive.

Michael, what does any of that have to do with gideongallery, vcrs on a time machine, and Snow White/Disney?

crazytrini85 · 07-13-2010, 08:46 AM

You guys done time shifting yet?

TheDoc · 07-13-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eRock

Sales/revenues are far from 'kicking ass'...I don't know where you got that info from.

From the statistics... in 2000 they cut the inventory of produced music in half, at it's peak.

Logically it's impossible to sustain growth if you produce half the amount to be sold. The "drop" they calculate is "inventory" sales, it's not total earnings of the Music Industry. Overall the Industry has grown... cd sales have dropped through the floor though - thank god they use don't the tape or 8 track to calculate lots sales, they would be out of business by the books.

As a global Industry, single downloads, mp3 and unique medium purchases are growing at a faster rate than inventory sales are dropping. The "income" difference is the cost of hard goods, such as cd, printing, shipping, store needs. Even for a DJ, the costs are lower now. So overall the "gross income" drops, however the net income per artist has increased.

We have the highest paid singers/groups ever in history right now.... more music being sold ever in history, tons of bands have said they're making more, music artists selling every before in history, more exposure to more music ever before in history.

Saying the Music Industry is hurting means you're only looking at the cd/store sales - which is quickly becoming obsolete.

JA$ON · 07-13-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bossku69

damn thats pretty crazy.

what are the chances of them folding because of this?

0%

Its not as big a deal as everyone in this thread thinks

Paul Markham · 07-13-2010, 10:21 AM

All the people who scream about pirated music. Now someone in the porn industry is getting hit for pirating music. Ironic.

gideongallery · 07-13-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You didn't make me an offer... I made you the offer. The offer has been stated many times, it's very simple. I do my part, you do yours. I don't do your part and you don't do mine, processors pay us, we split it all. Very simple.... zero reason for you to twist it.

And 100 joins a day is worth a more than $150k a month. At 30% you're taking a loss of member growth month over month, the average is 50% which is a sustained growth, anything above that is $300k+ a month.

You have said shit about lawyers, legal crap, and changed and twisted this in almost every post from the day I made the offer. The offer still stands, it's not anything anyone on here is confused about - my contact info is below.

i agreed to teach you what to do and then walk away

you said that was ok as long as what i taught you would produce 100 sales per day.

that was the offer and what was accepted

your exact

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wordsYou would need to produce 100ish sales a day, if you feel you can change a few things and walk away, then sweet...

we talked about creating a paysite designed to operate within the context of the torrents and the tubes and succeed when the content is shared.

are you going to do all the stuff that would normally get you 100 sales a day. All the tgp submission, all the tube site submission etc

if you were planning to do all that work anyway, i would have to do a thing since you would already have the 100 sales a day yourself.

You want me to replace the sales generated from that with my techniques

common sense says the time that would go to all that stuff should go towards the maintainance of all these new techniques.

But your changing the definition now, so that it is nothing but a standard affiliate agreement

what really stupid is considering that at 100 sales a day level i would earn way more then just 50%.

you trying to change it from a deal i agreed to , to a deal you know makes no sense whatsoever for me to agree to.

I have to ask Why

TheDoc · 07-13-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i agreed to teach you what to do and then walk away

you said that was ok as long as what i taught you would produce 100 sales per day.

that was the offer and what was accepted

your exact

we talked about creating a paysite designed to operate within the context of the torrents and the tubes and succeed when the content is shared.

are you going to do all the stuff that would normally get you 100 sales a day. All the tgp submission, all the tube site submission etc

if you were planning to do all that work anyway, i would have to do a thing since you would already have the 100 sales a day yourself.

You want me to replace the sales generated from that with my techniques

common sense says the time that would go to all that stuff should go towards the maintainance of all these new techniques.

But your changing the definition now, so that it is nothing but a standard affiliate agreement

what really stupid is considering that at 100 sales a day level i would earn way more then just 50%.

you trying to change it from a deal i agreed to , to a deal you know makes no sense whatsoever for me to agree to.

I have to ask Why

Ask yourself why you would lie when we can simply post the thread and prove you wrong?

1) It was very clear that I did not and would not be told what you do.
2) I do not need you to teach me how to do a 100 sales a day.
3) I wasn't planning on doing that work, I was planning on doing what I specialize in and that's making programs money.
4) I don't drive traffic through site submissions, nothing was ever talked about me sending any traffic.
5) My job was to create content, build/maintain the site, support, and make it grow so it could support a 100+ sales a day.
6) I only want you to produce sales, the website alone will require me to dedicate help on it. It's not a one man job and it's 7 days a week, 24 hours a day... unlike your end is.

I haven't changed anything, as Robbie and Kane have already pointed out and I'm sure others would as well. The deal was so simple that a child could follow it....

You do your part, I do my part... we split the money, I provide the content and backend. Anyone on this forum can understand that formula, the risk is without question on my side.

This has now reached comical with you..

V_RocKs · 07-13-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Michael, what does any of that have to do with gideongallery, vcrs on a time machine, and Snow White/Disney?

About as much as One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

TheDoc · 07-13-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

I have to ask Why

Why what? Why would you lie, why would you twist stupid shit? Here... let me pawn you.

This is the Org offer from me:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=212

"Gideon, if you can really produce the sales, I can get us content...

Think you can pump 100 sales a day? I will split 50% of the profits with you and go get us any content you think will rock the house. It will be like putting your current money on 100 lbs of crack.. so let me know.

No affiliates, I have the content connections... it's like 2 million in each of our pockets the first year."

A bit down the page, the deal is very simple to understand and follow... but a note

"I have no need to use whatever it is your doing other than on this Project. I don't actually care what you're doing, not going to ask what you're doing... if you suggest a change, we will put it in, outside of that I have other shit to worry about.

If you need an NDA/No Compete agreement, one can be drafted up for it."

In order of the deal going down:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=214
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=215
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=217
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=219
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=220
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=221

To be clear:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=224
"I have no idea what you're talking about... hoopla confuses me.

I will handle all the normal operations as requested, create the site/member areas, hookup the billing, support, maintaining it, etc.. I will supply the content, as stated. Processors are going to make sure we're taken care of and do all that dirty work for us. Sounds like the same shit I deal with every day now.

Your job is provide the traffic/sales, and you asked about suggesting some changes, and a domain, plus 15% of the gross off the top. If you need to change the content for your promotions that's fine.

This isn't really anything new, lots of various people do this in the Industry. We have what each other needs, so to me this is like slap head stupid to not do."

.......

Later we brought it up to 50% split... and I agreed.

Any questions?

gideongallery · 07-13-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Ask yourself why you would lie when we can simply post the thread and prove you wrong?

1) It was very clear that I did not and would not be told what you do.
2) I do not need you to teach me how to do a 100 sales a day.
3) I wasn't planning on doing that work, I was planning on doing what I specialize in and that's making programs money.
4) I don't drive traffic through site submissions, nothing was ever talked about me sending any traffic.
5) My job was to create content, build/maintain the site, support, and make it grow so it could support a 100+ sales a day.
6) I only want you to produce sales, the website alone will require me to dedicate help on it. It's not a one man job and it's 7 days a week, 24 hours a day... unlike your end is.

I haven't changed anything, as Robbie and Kane have already pointed out and I'm sure others would as well. The deal was so simple that a child could follow it....

You do your part, I do my part... we split the money, I provide the content and backend. Anyone on this forum can understand that formula, the risk is without question on my side.

This has now reached comical with you..

post the thread i am not lying i quoted your statements directly from that thread

first off what you are saying make no sense

your saying that the sites you build just magically get traffic with no traffic generation

you build sites to 100 sales a day without doing anything to generate traffic.

second

if i tell you to add a private tracker to the site offering

i show you how to setup it up properly

alll the stuff to get that working/intergrated with your existing systems would clearly be backend stuff (and therefore your responsiblity)

if i teach you how to change your content (post and pre production) that would fall under content (again therefore your responsiblity)

doing the basic seo on the site/ submitting it to review sites, building gallery etc all backend stuff.

that the point of this arguement

your now trying to push that work on me.

gideongallery · 07-13-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why what? Why would you lie, why would you twist stupid shit? Here... let me pawn you.

This is the Org offer from me:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=212

"Gideon, if you can really produce the sales, I can get us content...

Think you can pump 100 sales a day? I will split 50% of the profits with you and go get us any content you think will rock the house. It will be like putting your current money on 100 lbs of crack.. so let me know.

No affiliates, I have the content connections... it's like 2 million in each of our pockets the first year."

A bit down the page, the deal is very simple to understand and follow... but a note

"I have no need to use whatever it is your doing other than on this Project. I don't actually care what you're doing, not going to ask what you're doing... if you suggest a change, we will put it in, outside of that I have other shit to worry about.

If you need an NDA/No Compete agreement, one can be drafted up for it."

In order of the deal going down:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=214
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=215
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=217
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=219
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=220
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=221

To be clear:
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=224
"I have no idea what you're talking about... hoopla confuses me.

I will handle all the normal operations as requested, create the site/member areas, hookup the billing, support, maintaining it, etc.. I will supply the content, as stated. Processors are going to make sure we're taken care of and do all that dirty work for us. Sounds like the same shit I deal with every day now.

Your job is provide the traffic/sales, and you asked about suggesting some changes, and a domain, plus 15% of the gross off the top. If you need to change the content for your promotions that's fine.

This isn't really anything new, lots of various people do this in the Industry. We have what each other needs, so to me this is like slap head stupid to not do."

.......

Later we brought it up to 50% split... and I agreed.

Any questions?

interesting how you deliberately buried the important part

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

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but if those issues are addressed

i can show you the changes necessary and then walk away from it.

You would need to produce 100ish sales a day, if you feel you can change a few things and walk away, then sweet...

how exactly can i show you and walk away which you agreed to if backend opperations like maintaining the private tracker, etc are now my responsiblity.

kane · 07-13-2010, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

interesting how you deliberately buried the important part

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

You would need to produce 100ish sales a day, if you feel you can change a few things and walk away, then sweet...

how exactly can i show you and walk away which you agreed to if backend opperations like maintaining the private tracker, etc are now my responsiblity.

When you read what he wrote in its original context it is pretty simple to understand. What he means is that if you can set up a system that works on autopilot and can still send 100 joins per day you can walk away from it and let it run.

There was never any indication on Doc's part that he wanted you to teach him anything. He has always maintained that he wanted to set the site up and handle the day to day operation of the site and your job would be to use your magic techniques to deliver the traffic.

TheDoc · 07-13-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

interesting how you deliberately buried the important part

You are like a con man or something?

You forgot the rest of "your" quote...

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i prefer percentage of revenue profits can be manipulated
even if it only something smaller like 15%

no affiliates would screw up the primary benefit of "live interaction correctly" part of the 5 steps

and i want to keep the sole right to sell the techniques to other sites.

i even have a domain that would be perfect for such a site

you would have to handle all the normal opperations etc

but if those issues are addressed

i can show you the changes necessary and then walk away from it.

It's if the issues you listed above are taken care of... One of which is "you would have to handle all the normal opperations etc " - It was made very clear I wouldn't need or care to know anything you're doing.. http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218

Btw... I wrote this part, not you... Meaning "You, Gideon" will have to produce the 100 sales a day.

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You would need to produce 100ish sales a day, if you feel you can change a few things and walk away, then sweet...

Let's do it, I have the content. I have people waiting this minute to start building. My email is webmaster.skills at gmail dot com and my icq is below.

No place does it say "I" will produce 100 sales a day.... and it was made very clear above "from you" that I would: "you would have to handle all the normal opperations etc "

Source: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=214
Source Reply: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=215

Notice, I don't need to know what you're doing is down the page as we planned it all out
Source: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218 <-- post count

eRock · 07-13-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

...So overall the "gross income" drops, however the net income per artist has increased.

We have the highest paid singers/groups ever in history right now.... more music being sold ever in history, tons of bands have said they're making more, music artists selling every before in history....

That's absolutely not true. That's only what it SEEMS...

Robbie · 07-13-2010, 02:52 PM

GideonGallery....everyone that read those threads KNOWS what you said you could do.

And now when someone offers it to you on a platter...you suddenly CAN NOT.

It's obvious that the reality is...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND CAN'T DO IT.

You have been called out and PROVEN to be a liar. Your ridiculous twisting and turning of words has made you a joke.

But of course, everyone of us on GFY already knew that ahead of time.

WE are the experts at selling things online. YOU are the guy who has NEVER sold anything.

babydred · 07-13-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

You can always use the Vanilla Ice Defense:

?...See, our?s is ding-ding-ding-duh-duh-ding-ding??

LMAO...the Vanilla Defense...too fuckin' funny (I laughed back then as well, that's why this is so fuckin' funny)!

kristin · 07-13-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by babydred

LMAO...the Vanilla Defense...too fuckin' funny (I laughed back then as well, that's why this is so fuckin' funny)!

I laughed at this too. I will never forget the interview with Vanilla Ice watching him try to justify that the music was not copied. It was priceless.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

You are like a con man or something?

You forgot the rest of "your" quote...

It's if the issues you listed above are taken care of... One of which is "you would have to handle all the normal opperations etc " - It was made very clear I wouldn't need or care to know anything you're doing.. http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218

Btw... I wrote this part, not you... Meaning "You, Gideon" will have to produce the 100 sales a day.

No place does it say "I" will produce 100 sales a day.... and it was made very clear above "from you" that I would: "you would have to handle all the normal opperations etc "

Source: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=214
Source Reply: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=215

Notice, I don't need to know what you're doing is down the page as we planned it all out
Source: http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=17...&postcount=218 <-- post count

all five of the things i said would solve the problem were operational things

1. doing water marks correctly (post production editing)
2. doing branding bugs (post production editing)
3. setting up a private tracker (day to day operations)
4. product placement (pre production)
5. live interaction done properly (day to day operation)

you said you would handle ALL normal operations period.

the new system once implemented will generate the 100 sales a day, that my commitment

but you would still have to do the opperational maintance on that system.

Your now trying to change the rules to make me responsible for opperational aspects you explictly agreed to handle.

planning out a nash equilibrium is not easy, it is a perfectly balancing of all the actions of every party (customers, competitors, free loaders, "pirates", fair use advocates, guys who just want it free, etc) to create a situation where you can naturally profit from the system itself.

the nice thing is once the planning is done, as long as you follow the plan, market itself creates the success, and every competitive advanatage the other parties has, turns into your competitive advantage (either because your move turn it into a disadvantage, or you get to exploit it for free too).

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

GideonGallery....everyone that read those threads KNOWS what you said you could do.

exactly, and now your trying to misrepresent what i said

everything i have ever talked about is systematic changes

how many times have i pointed out that movie studioes didn't get revenue from vcr sales, or tape cassette sales

they made the money by changing their opperation to sell their shit on the tape cassettes.

The operational change, and all the operational maintance for that new market, created more revenue than all the other revenue streams combined.

same thing here

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And now when someone offers it to you on a platter...you suddenly CAN NOT.

It's obvious that the reality is...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND CAN'T DO IT.

that like saying we should go in the soda pop selling business, you sell them the coke syrup by spoon, they eat it , and then they can buy the carbinated water from me.

that business won't work, admitting it won't work doesn't mean that it is impossible to go into the soda selling business if it was done properly.

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You have been called out and PROVEN to be a liar. Your ridiculous twisting and turning of words has made you a joke.

But of course, everyone of us on GFY already knew that ahead of time.

WE are the experts at selling things online. YOU are the guy who has NEVER sold anything.

i still stand 100% what i agreed to do

i will show doc exactly the systematic changes necessary (the put your shit on the cassettes and sell it solution) he maintains it (handles all the day to day operations). I commit to show him all the building blocks until a system that generates 100 sales a day is created, we split the money 50/50.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

all five of the things i said would solve the problem were operational things

1. doing water marks correctly (post production editing)
2. doing branding bugs (post production editing)
3. setting up a private tracker (day to day operations)
4. product placement (pre production)
5. live interaction done properly (day to day operation)

you said you would handle ALL normal operations period.

the new system once implemented will generate the 100 sales a day, that my commitment

but you would still have to do the opperational maintance on that system.

Your now trying to change the rules to make me responsible for opperational aspects you explictly agreed to handle.

planning out a nash equilibrium is not easy, it is a perfectly balancing of all the actions of every party (customers, competitors, free loaders, "pirates", fair use advocates, guys who just want it free, etc) to create a situation where you can naturally profit from the system itself.

the nice thing is once the planning is done, as long as you follow the plan, market itself creates the success, and every competitive advanatage the other parties has, turns into your competitive advantage (either because your move turn it into a disadvantage, or you get to exploit it for free too).

Why do you try to quote things or write things that weren't 'ever' said? It was very simple, I would supply the content, build the sites, maintain the program, which would include processing the content 'for a website'. We already do water marks correctly and it's not possible to have a branding bug when it's only a site.

You will be supplying sales... a private tracker wont help me produce anything, but it will help you produce sales. That's content you will manipulate, not us.

If you want to supply people that will pay for product placement, then sure that will be added in with a 50% split to me. I won't be adding a sales staff for this being that it couldn't pay for one. At that, nobody said we would shoot new/exclusive content - why would you need that when nobody on the torrent has seen the other stuff - I clearly said get us content, but I guess I can pull this rabbit out of my hat if really needed.

If you want to supply models for live interaction, and manage them, pay them, manage the live network and equip and all that, then I agree with you that we should do it.

All your posts are, are excuses that allow you to back of the deal - anything for you to back out. That's what it boils down to, that's all everyone sees... we all know you're a fake - you can stop pretending now.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Why do you try to quote things or write things that weren't 'ever' said?

what the hell are you talking about every single time i ever talked about solution to the problem i listed those five things

1. doing watermarks correctly
2. doing branding bugs
3. doing live interaction
4. setting up a private tracker properly
5. product placement.

i have never talked about another thing as a solution to the problem.

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It was very simple, I would supply the content, build the sites, maintain the program, which would include processing the content 'for a website'. We already do water marks correctly and it's not possible to have a branding bug when it's only a site.

your doing watermarking like 1970 television which is most certainly wrong.

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You will be supplying sales... a private tracker wont help me produce anything, but it will help you produce sales. That's content you will manipulate, not us.

setting up a private tracker PROPERLY takes a hell of a lot more then just slapping the script up on the internet.

some of the things you need to do REQUIRE copyright control. (in a blind case like you want to setup where no training is provided, that means copyright ownership)

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If you want to supply people that will pay for product placement, then sure that will be added in with a 50% split to me. I won't be adding a sales staff for this being that it couldn't pay for one. At that, nobody said we would shoot new/exclusive content - why would you need that when nobody on the torrent has seen the other stuff - I clearly said get us content, but I guess I can pull this rabbit out of my hat if really needed.

sort of hard to do product placement if you can't control how the products are placed in the video.

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If you want to supply models for live interaction, and manage them, pay them, manage the live network and equip and all that, then I agree with you that we should do it.

wording is a little unclear
it seems like your trying to say that you want to pay me less then i would get as a normal affiliate (100/day would get a good whale bonus) and you want me to cover the cost of doing live chat that is pretty much standard in every single paysite on the market today out of that commission.

WTF.

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All your posts are, are excuses that allow you to back of the deal - anything for you to back out. That's what it boils down to, that's all everyone sees... we all know you're a fake - you can stop pretending now.

your the one trying to re-write the deal.

hell look at your statement for live interaction, how the fuck would you ever believe that making me pay for and manage a component that exist in virtually every single pay site on the market when you agreed to manage all the opperations not represent a complete re-write of the deal.

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

hell look at your statement for live interaction, how the fuck would you ever believe that making me pay for and manage a component that exist in virtually every single pay site on the market when you agreed to manage all the opperations not represent a complete re-write of the deal.

gideongallery, first off you are lying through your teeth. All anybody has to do is read those threads.

Second...the quote above just shows that you don't have ANY idea how the adult business works.

Let me "train" you, and this won't even cost you $5,000 plus 10% of your LIFETIME revenue.

THE ONLY PAY SITES THAT HAVE LIVE INTERACTION ARE SOLO GIRL SITES. YOU DUMBASS.

SomeCreep · 07-17-2010, 02:41 PM

Fuck, does that guy gideongallery ever shut up? He's like half this thread. I skip over all his posts.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

gideongallery, first off you are lying through your teeth. All anybody has to do is read those threads.

Second...the quote above just shows that you don't have ANY idea how the adult business works.

Let me "train" you, and this won't even cost you $5,000 plus 10% of your LIFETIME revenue.

THE ONLY PAY SITES THAT HAVE LIVE INTERACTION ARE SOLO GIRL SITES. YOU DUMBASS.

http://tour.naughtyamerica.com/live_...NTkuMC4wLjAuMA

you were saying

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

http://tour.naughtyamerica.com/live_...NTkuMC4wLjAuMA

you were saying

That is ONE site who hires those same girls over and over and over. They are trying there best to do anything to make sales. But unfortunately it isn't working.

You know damn well what I'm saying about paysites. 99.9% of them are sites that shoot girls, pay the girls, and move on. You normally can't get those girls to do live cam chat for the site. Naughty America is paying those girls in the hopes of getting more sales.

But as a long time affiliate (I've been with them since they were "SoCal Cash") I can tell you that ever since their scenes started being pirated a couple of years ago I've watched sales to their sites drop to nothing.

And that's a goddamn shame because they are one of the best companies out there and are shooting some of the best content in the world.

I used to make sales with them like breathing the air. Now I can't. Why? Because within an HOUR of them releasing new updates in their members areas...it is all over pornbb where to go download them.

Anyway, gideongallery...YOUR statement was that: "virtually every single pay site on the market" had live interaction. You found ONE. And there may be a couple of more. But that's it. Other than solo girl sites where the girl has some reason to do the live cam shows...it doesn't happen.

So you're now saying that your "training" would be useless for sites like Twistys, or any of the Nasty Dollars or Brazzers or pretty much EVERY site in the world because it won't have one of your 5 things?

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 02:58 PM

I wonder if gideongallery has told those poor suckers....er, I mean BANDS... that he CLAIMS to have stolen...er, I mean charged...$5,000 plus a percentage of their lifetime earnings that he would have no problem with paysites using their music without their permission AND not paying for it either.

Gee, I wonder how those bands would feel about that? (if they existed anywhere other than gideongalleries delusional mind)

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

That is ONE site who hires those same girls over and over and over. They are trying there best to do anything to make sales. But unfortunately it isn't working.

You know damn well what I'm saying about paysites. 99.9% of them are sites that shoot girls, pay the girls, and move on. You normally can't get those girls to do live cam chat for the site. Naughty America is paying those girls in the hopes of getting more sales.

But as a long time affiliate (I've been with them since they were "SoCal Cash") I can tell you that ever since their scenes started being pirated a couple of years ago I've watched sales to their sites drop to nothing.

And that's a goddamn shame because they are one of the best companies out there and are shooting some of the best content in the world.

I used to make sales with them like breathing the air. Now I can't. Why? Because within an HOUR of them releasing new updates in their members areas...it is all over pornbb where to go download them.

Anyway, gideongallery...YOUR statement was that: "virtually every single pay site on the market" had live interaction. You found ONE. And there may be a couple of more. But that's it. Other than solo girl sites where the girl has some reason to do the live cam shows...it doesn't happen.

So you're now saying that your "training" would be useless for sites like Twistys, or any of the Nasty Dollars or Brazzers or pretty much EVERY site in the world because it won't have one of your 5 things?

welivetogether has had a chat with the girls who were just shot, since i started posting here

twistys had chats inside

fuckafan

and so on and so on

it not just one it a growing trend, they are almost doing it right.

just like your almost doing it right with cm.

problem is almost doesn't count.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I wonder if gideongallery has told those poor suckers....er, I mean BANDS... that he CLAIMS to have stolen...er, I mean charged...$5,000 plus a percentage of their lifetime earnings that he would have no problem with paysites using their music without their permission AND not paying for it either.

Gee, I wonder how those bands would feel about that? (if they existed anywhere other than gideongalleries delusional mind)

this case has nothing to do with payment

the complaint specifically says they would not licience it to a porn site at all

this is only about permission.

that being said, when you licience your content in a fair use friendly way, without permission is impossible.

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

welivetogether has had a chat with the girls who were just shot, since i started posting here

twistys had chats inside

fuckafan

and so on and so on

it not just one it a growing trend, they are almost doing it right.

just like your almost doing it right with cm.

problem is almost doesn't count.

Idiot. lol

What do you mean twisty had "chats inside"?

Twisty hires photogs to shoot all their content. They don't even go to a porn shoot much less have the girls hanging out to stream them.
fuckafan...We been doing that on Claudia-Marie.Com since we opened the doors.

And you're right it is a "growing trend" But NOT for sites that don't have the girls there to do live interaction.

You are so ignorant of everything in this world. And I'm your worst nightmare come true.

I protect our content...and we DO live interaction and have been for a long time. And guess what gideongallery...Claudia-Marie.Com is bigger and better than ever while others are falling.

I'm doing the exact OPPOSITE of what you are trying to convince others to do. And it's working beautifully.

Meanwhile your bullshit can't even get off the ground because YOU WON'T EVEN EMAIL THEDOC TO GET IT STARTED!

Fucking loser.

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

this case has nothing to do with payment

the complaint specifically says they would not licience it to a porn site at all

this is only about permission.

that being said, when you licience your content in a fair use friendly way, without permission is impossible.

WTF????

You really ARE retarded aren't you?

Tick tock gideongallery. Your time is up.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Idiot. lol

What do you mean twisty had "chats inside"?

Twisty hires photogs to shoot all their content. They don't even go to a porn shoot much less have the girls hanging out to stream them.
fuckafan...We been doing that on Claudia-Marie.Com since we opened the doors.

And you're right it is a "growing trend" But NOT for sites that don't have the girls there to do live interaction.

You are so ignorant of everything in this world. And I'm your worst nightmare come true.

I protect our content...and we DO live interaction and have been for a long time. And guess what gideongallery...Claudia-Marie.Com is bigger and better than ever while others are falling.

I'm doing the exact OPPOSITE of what you are trying to convince others to do. And it's working beautifully.

Meanwhile your bullshit can't even get off the ground because YOU WON'T EVEN EMAIL THEDOC TO GET IT STARTED!

Fucking loser.

i did email doc, he "claimed" he never recieved

which makes sense given how he has changed the deal. (trying to turn it into a really bad affiliate deal)

your a big time affiliate player, how many programs that you send 100 sales a day only pay you 50%.

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

i did email doc, he "claimed" he never recieved

which makes sense given how he has changed the deal. (trying to turn it into a really bad affiliate deal)

your a big time affiliate player, how many programs that you send 100 sales a day only pay you 50%.

You mean how many DID I send 100 sales a day. Because I'm lucky these days to send a couple of sales a week.
Seems that some assholes uploaded every paysites members areas to torrent sites and tube sites and now everybody thinks they don't have to pay for porn anymore.

But you probably don't understand that either.

I know for a fact TheDoc has all but begged you to email him in thread after thread. And you haven't done so.

I'll tell you this much...if I were a loser like you with nothing at all. And I thought I had some kind of system that could make ME 50% of 100 sales a day and I could make millions of dollars? I would not only email TheDoc I would call him on the phone and catch the next plane to his fucking house and move in until the project was finished.

But you? You just keep talking. All talk, no action.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

You mean how many DID I send 100 sales a day. Because I'm lucky these days to send a couple of sales a week.
Seems that some assholes uploaded every paysites members areas to torrent sites and tube sites and now everybody thinks they don't have to pay for porn anymore.

But you probably don't understand that either.

I know for a fact TheDoc has all but begged you to email him in thread after thread. And you haven't done so.

hold on a second

both you and doc claim that 100 sales a day is easy/common

that the point of that limit to prove that what i say would work, can perform to the level you guys can normally do.

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I'll tell you this much...if I were a loser like you with nothing at all. And I thought I had some kind of system that could make ME 50% of 100 sales a day and I could make millions of dollars? I would not only email TheDoc I would call him on the phone and catch the next plane to his fucking house and move in until the project was finished.

But you? You just keep talking. All talk, no action.

$150k/year residual income is worth $1.5 million active income (standard net present value using 10% interest)

it's why the rich try and build passive income streams (investments) rather then ones that are dependent on working like a dog

i accepted the offer because the deal i was agreeing to would be such a passive income stream. The only downside for me is releasing more than the 5 things i said need to be done(for free). Things that are upsells in the current sales cycle.

he wants the deal to be active income stream with me doing all the work.

for less money than a standard affiliate would make

and a hell of a lot less money than i can make just doing what i am doing now.

why the hell would you expect me to take that deal, when you won't take a deal that only cost you money if i am right (you must put your content in the public domain if you use anything i show everyone).

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

hold on a second

both you and doc claim that 100 sales a day is easy/common

why the hell would you expect me to take that deal, when you won't take a deal that only cost you money if i am right (you must put your content in the public domain if you use anything i show everyone).

I NEVER claimed any such thing. There you go again...

And you have never offered me any "deal". The only thing YOU keep babbling about is how you are going to show me your miracles and then I give all my content away. Idiot.

Now let's come back to REALITY:
You are being offered an opportunity to make MILLIONS of dollars IF your bullshit works (it won't). And then on top of that...the second TheDoc reported on GFY that YES you ARE a genius and it's making 100 sales a day...well then there would be a line around the block waiting to pay you even MORE money.

But that's not a good "deal" to you is it gideongallery?
Somehow in your small brain you equate making NOTHING as being better than making MILLIONS.

And that in a nutshell is just one of the reasons you are laughed at and will never be taken seriously. Because you are NOT serious.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I NEVER claimed any such thing. There you go again...

And you have never offered me any "deal". The only thing YOU keep babbling about is how you are going to show me your miracles and then I give all my content away. Idiot.

no i said i would show everyone here the techniques (5 ones i keep talking about)
if you used them then and only then would your content be in the public domain.

that way you would be the only person who couldn't use them.

If you truely believed your you don't know shit statements you would have had no problem agreeing to that,

since your way works perfectly fine, you wouldn't need to steal my shit even if it worked.

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Now let's come back to REALITY:
You are being offered an opportunity to make MILLIONS of dollars IF your bullshit works (it won't). And then on top of that...the second TheDoc reported on GFY that YES you ARE a genius and it's making 100 sales a day...well then there would be a line around the block waiting to pay you even MORE money.

no it not

doc doesn't want to change a thing, he wants me to do all the work of generating all the sales, using the old wrong methods.

it like the movie industry saying to sony, i know you are saying that if we put our shit on the tape cassettes and sell it we will make more money , but we want to keep our business exactly the same,

now show us how to make more money, using that vcr thing we have been complaining about.

what would be left, putting flyers for movie theaters inside blank cassette boxes. that all doc left me to try

taking that deal would do nothing but kill any possiblity anyone liciencing the techniques from me.

considering i offered to show you the techniques for my normal fee with the i would never use that money back guarrentee we currently (if you ask for your money back, and you still use the techniques all that content goes CC-SA) given all the musicians who take the course we offer and you refused to take that offer.

I don't think anyone would licience, they would simply copy the site, and pretend they figuired it out (like you did when you called yourself creative for copying what wayne's world did).

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But that's not a good "deal" to you is it gideongallery?
Somehow in your small brain you equate making NOTHING as being better than making MILLIONS.

And that in a nutshell is just one of the reasons you are laughed at and will never be taken seriously. Because you are NOT serious.

i prefer passive income to active income.

i will buy a rental property that generates income without personal work (because the rent covers the management company fees)

than taking a job requires me to work to make the same income.

your deal is give up the passive income you are making from teaching to work like a dog for less money than a normal affiliate would earn from that number of sales.

kane · 07-17-2010, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery

$150k/year residual income is worth $1.5 million active income (standard net present value using 10% interest)

it's why the rich try and build passive income streams (investments) rather then ones that are dependent on working like a dog

i accepted the offer because the deal i was agreeing to would be such a passive income stream. The only downside for me is releasing more than the 5 things i said need to be done(for free). Things that are upsells in the current sales cycle.

he wants the deal to be active income stream with me doing all the work.

for less money than a standard affiliate would make

and a hell of a lot less money than i can make just doing what i am doing now.

why the hell would you expect me to take that deal, when you won't take a deal that only cost you money if i am right (you must put your content in the public domain if you use anything i show everyone).

Let's do some basic math.

We will use the numbers Doc gave that said you could easily make 300K per month with a paysite if you send 100 sales per day. But let's be conservative. Let's say it is 200K and let's say in the first 12 months you bring in 2 million dollars from that. The second 12 months you bring in 2.4 million. At the end of 24 months you will have 4.4 million in the bank. You invest that into safe investments that bring in 6% return each year and that is 264K per year. If you collect that money for 8 years that means 10 years from today you will have earned 2.1 million off the interest and still have the 4.4 in the bank so you have 6.5 million dollars.

You said yourself most of your "clients" will bring you in around 5K per year so in order to get 6.5 million in the next 10 years you will need to get 1,300 clients and those clients will have to produce you 5K per year as you have planned. They will have to produce that money every year without fail for the next 10 years. This is not to mention that 3-4 years from now the technology could change again and this system you are selling may no longer work. Or these people may decide to go in a different direction.

You said you can "train" about 30 clients per week. That means it is going to take you 43 weeks just to get the clients. I don't claim to be a genius, but finding 30 clients per week, showing them what to do, babysitting them as they try it and make mistakes and have you guide them through the process and get them to where they are earning you your 5K per year sounds like a lot of work. Not to mention that just because you teach 30 people per week doesn't mean all 30 of them will be successful or will earn what you would like. Many of them will fail.

You yourself said earlier in the thread IF you can get about 1500 people you could teach in front of classes of 100 or more. This is a lot of IF's. To me the offer Doc is providing would require you to work hard for 1-2 years then coast and live very comfortably for the rest of your life if you want. But you claim to want to pass it by because you have a better plan that all hinges on IF.

But in the end, let me ask you this. Why not bring someone else into the fold? Why not find someone and teach them what to do, work with Doc and you show them how things work and let them do the grunt work and you give them a percentage of what you earn. If you are earning 2 million a year from this offer them 400K. You will find a lot of people who will bust their ass for 400K per year. This frees you up to do your other stuff and it allows you to cash in on this deal and shut all of us up. So why not do this?

Robbie · 07-17-2010, 04:47 PM

gideongallery you just typed paragraph after paragraph of fucking gibberish.

EITHER PROVE YOUR SHIT OR LEAVE. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS INDUSTRY AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM.

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I NEVER claimed any such thing. There you go again...

And you have never offered me any "deal". The only thing YOU keep babbling about is how you are going to show me your miracles and then I give all my content away. Idiot.

what really amazing that you not only dodged the question but deliberately misrepesented it too

Quote:

why the hell would you expect me to take that deal, when you won't take a deal that only cost you money if i am right (you must put your content in the public domain if you use anything i show everyone).

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

gideongallery you just typed paragraph after paragraph of fucking gibberish.

EITHER PROVE YOUR SHIT OR LEAVE. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS INDUSTRY AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM.

sure agree to put all your content in the public domain

if

you use any of the techniques

gideongallery · 07-17-2010, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Let's do some basic math.

We will use the numbers Doc gave that said you could easily make 300K per month with a paysite if you send 100 sales per day. But let's be conservative. Let's say it is 200K and let's say in the first 12 months you bring in 2 million dollars from that. The second 12 months you bring in 2.4 million. At the end of 24 months you will have 4.4 million in the bank. You invest that into safe investments that bring in 6% return each year and that is 264K per year. If you collect that money for 8 years that means 10 years from today you will have earned 2.1 million off the interest and still have the 4.4 in the bank so you have 6.5 million dollars.

he wants me to do all the operational changes and cover the cost out of my share

so there is absolutely no way that is going to be true.

remember the 5k each is the profit i am making, because the base fee covers the cost of doing all the training setup.

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You said yourself most of your "clients" will bring you in around 5K per year so in order to get 6.5 million in the next 10 years you will need to get 1,300 clients and those clients will have to produce you 5K per year as you have planned.

there is no cancelation, since it a percentage so there is no need to replace old clients.
new clients is all i have to worry about aquiring.

each time i teach the class it grows bigger.

so it an arithmatic sequence (5+10+15+20+25.....)

so that kind of growth is not that hard.

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They will have to produce that money every year without fail for the next 10 years. This is not to mention that 3-4 years from now the technology could change again and this system you are selling may no longer work. Or these people may decide to go in a different direction.

first of all the building blocks are interchangeable/recombinable so the number of income streams is massive.

i have only taught 20 blocks so far out 543. Every year i keep discovering new blocks, and new combinations.

as a result the average income has been growing with each year. i don't see a problem with hitting those numbers

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You said you can "train" about 30 clients per week. That means it is going to take you 43 weeks just to get the clients. I don't claim to be a genius, but finding 30 clients per week, showing them what to do, babysitting them as they try it and make mistakes and have you guide them through the process and get them to where they are earning you your 5K per year sounds like a lot of work. Not to mention that just because you teach 30 people per week doesn't mean all 30 of them will be successful or will earn what you would like. Many of them will fail.

your talking about my time vs support peoples time.

i teach because if questions come up, you can't really have they guy say i don't know i will have ask someone in the company.

when the support and hand holding stage comes around, that kind of statement is ok.

as they answer question, as the bank of faq answers get built up they ask us less and less.

that why i only teach one new module a year (it generates n! new potential revenue streams so that may slow in the future).

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You yourself said earlier in the thread IF you can get about 1500 people you could teach in front of classes of 100 or more. This is a lot of IF's. To me the offer Doc is providing would require you to work hard for 1-2 years then coast and live very comfortably for the rest of your life if you want. But you claim to want to pass it by because you have a better plan that all hinges on IF.

docs offer is an uphill battle even if he did it my way.

each building block can combine together with each other building blocks to create new revenue streams.

each one of revenue streams have to perfectly balanced in a nash equilibrium.

Now granted i know some that work already (because of testing) and i know some that logically should work (because of what i have learned during the teaching and refinement process) but there is a lot of work i need to do.

it was worth it, mainly because the membership stuff that could be learned if we work together could add new building blocks to teach (muscians don't have membership sites like you guys do so adapting them to their market would create new revenue streams)

but doc took those advantages away in his re-write of the deal.

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But in the end, let me ask you this. Why not bring someone else into the fold? Why not find someone and teach them what to do, work with Doc and you show them how things work and let them do the grunt work and you give them a percentage of what you earn. If you are earning 2 million a year from this offer them 400K. You will find a lot of people who will bust their ass for 400K per year. This frees you up to do your other stuff and it allows you to cash in on this deal and shut all of us up. So why not do this?

the money offered is less than what i can get from any affiliate program i want at any time. with no agreement and no downside risk.

the upside is a tiny fraction of the upside i can currently get from what i am doing

and if i hit critical mass, i will have valid publishable stats, which means i can simply come here and say. Here the proof, do you want me to do the same thing for you.

what docs offering is not only less than what i am currently making
is not only less than i can get from any other affiliate program on the market
but money i can get in the future once my plans hit critical mass.

TheDoc · 07-17-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

what the hell are you talking about every single time i ever talked about solution to the problem i listed those five things

1. doing watermarks correctly
2. doing branding bugs
3. doing live interaction
4. setting up a private tracker properly
5. product placement.

i have never talked about another thing as a solution to the problem.

Did I quote that part or bring it up? No..... why do you twist what was written? I was clearly talking about our deal, not what you said you would be doing in this thread.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

your doing watermarking like 1970 television which is most certainly wrong.

It's really not that hard to understand watermarking... I have been making money openly in the piracy sources for 15 years, you trying to educate me on this is kind of a joke - but it's not hard to alter either way so it's not like I wouldn't take your input. I'm sure the video guy can handle the 15 seconds it would take to change anything.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

setting up a private tracker PROPERLY takes a hell of a lot more then just slapping the script up on the internet.

some of the things you need to do REQUIRE copyright control. (in a blind case like you want to setup where no training is provided, that means copyright ownership)

Exactly... being that you know how to set it up properly you will be doing it. Again, we don't need to know what you do - that was the point.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

sort of hard to do product placement if you can't control how the products are placed in the video.

No, it's hard to do product placement when you have nobody to do product placement.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

wording is a little unclear
it seems like your trying to say that you want to pay me less then i would get as a normal affiliate (100/day would get a good whale bonus) and you want me to cover the cost of doing live chat that is pretty much standard in every single paysite on the market today out of that commission.

WTF.

Do you not understand how business works? You split it 50/50... if you're going to take part of our business and spend money on it, like I will be doing - then you will need to split the money 50/50 that we make from it.

Porn girls in porn shoots don't do live interaction, they shoot porn in a studio and go home. It's not like I have a studio setup for live cams or chat and for damn sure the storage required by law and all the other equipment, the people to manage and get girls that will do that, the ability to broadcast them online, maintain that, etc.

Now if you want that, I will help you make it go live on the 'net.

Simply put... this is not opening a paysite with content and you sending 100 sales a day.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

your the one trying to re-write the deal.

hell look at your statement for live interaction, how the fuck would you ever believe that making me pay for and manage a component that exist in virtually every single pay site on the market when you agreed to manage all the opperations not represent a complete re-write of the deal.

The deal was very basic and simple... I would get us content, open a site, manage all that. You would get us a 100 sales a day. That's very different than spending 10 million dollars on a live cam/chat setup.

99% of paysites don't have self live cams, shows, or chat. The biggest sites in the world through the biggest programs, do not offer that is a feature they created, they use other peoples services and integrate them into our site - just like we would.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

i did email doc, he "claimed" he never recieved

which makes sense given how he has changed the deal. (trying to turn it into a really bad affiliate deal)

your a big time affiliate player, how many programs that you send 100 sales a day only pay you 50%.

Take a screenshot of the sent mail to me with the mail headers showing, post that here to prove you're correct. Then forward me the email again, like anyone else would do that said they didn't get the mail from a person.

Zero programs pay him 50% of the total program 'net - ask any affiliate, zero affiliates get paid 50% of the total pgorams 'net. They pay him 50% of what he produces - you get 50% of everything produced.

I will gladly pay you 60 or 70 even 75% as an affiliate if you like.

07-12-2010, 09:45 PM	#205
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07-13-2010, 08:33 AM	#208
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07-13-2010, 08:39 AM	#209
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07-13-2010, 10:21 AM	#214
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07-13-2010, 02:52 PM	#224
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	GideonGallery....everyone that read those threads KNOWS what you said you could do. And now when someone offers it to you on a platter...you suddenly CAN NOT. It's obvious that the reality is...YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT AND CAN'T DO IT. You have been called out and PROVEN to be a liar. Your ridiculous twisting and turning of words has made you a joke. But of course, everyone of us on GFY already knew that ahead of time. WE are the experts at selling things online. YOU are the guy who has NEVER sold anything. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-17-2010, 02:41 PM	#232
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07-17-2010, 02:58 PM	#235
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	I wonder if gideongallery has told those poor suckers....er, I mean BANDS... that he CLAIMS to have stolen...er, I mean charged...$5,000 plus a percentage of their lifetime earnings that he would have no problem with paysites using their music without their permission AND not paying for it either. Gee, I wonder how those bands would feel about that? (if they existed anywhere other than gideongalleries delusional mind) __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-17-2010, 04:47 PM	#246
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	gideongallery you just typed paragraph after paragraph of fucking gibberish. EITHER PROVE YOUR SHIT OR LEAVE. NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU ARE NOT IN THIS INDUSTRY AND SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS FORUM. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com