question for the anti-religious crowd.

[12clicks]

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

[munki]

[2012]

[mikesinner]

Actually we can.

[BradM]

Question for the religious crowd: Why do all of your beliefs or opinions ignore FACTS?

[2012]

Originally Posted by BradM

Question for the religious crowd: Why do all of your beliefs or opinions ignore FACTS?

its all about faith brother

[Robbie]

Santa Claus can fly around the world in one night delivering millions of gifts to children using a sleigh and flying reindeer.

Science can not.

Something to think about...

[EdgeXXX]

Originally Posted by BradM

Question for the religious crowd: Why do all of your beliefs or opinions ignore FACTS?

Which FACTS are you referring to?

[Tom_PM]

It would be arrogant to assume that humans know everything that is possible to know, and therefore an all powerful deity *must* exist to fill in all of the gaps. The very fact that we know that there are gaps in our collective knowledge is the first step in discovering how to measure them and understand why they are there and explain them.

You can only measure for something when you are aware that there is something to measure, and after you've devised ways to observe and measure it.

[smax]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

We couldn't do any of things you used as examples 100 years ago, give it time we are EVOLVING

[BlackCrayon]

sure but that doesn't mean that there is a god or the 'christian' religion is in any way based on fact.

[Si]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Santa Claus can fly around the world in one night delivering millions of gifts to children using a sleigh and flying reindeer.

Science can not.

Something to think about...

LOL, very good point! he also manages to appear at every mall at the same time,

Something to think about

[CIVMatt]

Hmmm we can create life out of the bare elements.. where have you been

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by mikesinner

Actually we can.

link????

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

Hmmm we can create life out of the bare elements.. where have you been

link?

I'm always interested in learning.

[theking]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

I read the post...but I do not see a question in the post.

[TheDoc]

Religion is fake.... your question has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with God, or creator of all-life, which we can see is real. But no fake religion is going to tell me that god used to talk to us, in a very brief period of our existence, just at the time religion was created....

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

link?

I'm always interested in learning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Religion is fake.... your question has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with God, or creator of all-life, which we can see is real. But no fake religion is going to tell me that god used to talk to us, in a very brief period of our existence, just at the time religion was created....

with every post you make, you embarrass yourself in front of intelligent people.

[12clicks]

you really need to read the article and not just the big red letters at the top of the page.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9005023/

BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time.

They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse.
Though scientists have been combining the genetic material of two species for 30 years now, their work has remained relatively simplistic.



Scientists might add one foreign gene to an organism to produce a drug like insulin. The technique is more art than science given the brute trial-and-error it takes to create cells that make drugs.

So a new breed of biologists is attempting to bring order to the hit-and-miss chaos of genetic engineering by bringing to biotechnology the same engineering strategies used to build computers, bridges and buildings.

The idea is to separate cells into their fundamental components and then rebuild new organisms, a much more complex way of genetic engineering.

The burgeoning movement is attracting big money and some of the biggest names in biology, many of whom are attending the "Life Engineering Symposium" that begins Friday in San Francisco.

"Synthetic biology is genetic engineering rethought," said Harvard Medical Center researcher George Church, a leader in the field. "It challenges the notion of what's natural and what's synthetic."

Already, synthetic biologists have created a polio virus and another smaller virus by stitching together individual genes purchased from biotechnology companies.

Now, researchers are getting closer to creating more complex living things with actual utility.

In Israel, scientists have created the world's smallest computer by engineering DNA to carry out mathematical functions.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

with every post you make, you embarrass yourself in front of intelligent people.

Your typical reply when you get shut down and have no ability to respond with anything...

You created this idiotic thread, at least try to keep us assumed.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth

Just over 100 years ago we had no idea how to fly either. Now we are sending people into space to live for months (or years in some cases).

Shit takes time. Hell, it wasn't that long ago we thought the earth was flat and we would fall off the edge if we went too far. Thanks to science, we learned that wasn't true. Just because we don't know everything RIGHT NOW, it makes little sense to put faith into something that basically equates to a bunch of nonsensical mumbo jumbo.

we've known the basic elements of our world for more than 100 years as well as anything that effects it. yet we are merely guessing at the leap from dead rock to living organism

[Varius]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

100 years ago, they could not yet clone animals, split atoms, etc...

Give them time

EDIT: just saw post above mine and the answer is, yes we have known about the elements for a long time, but just because we know the pieces exist, doesn't mean they should know how to put the puzzle together by now. There are 100 piece puzzles and 50,000 piece puzzles that exist, you know.

[Darkland]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20249628/

Here is a better and updated article that I could find.

And from May of last year "Life?s First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory"

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...bonucleotides/

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

you really need to read the article and not just the big red letters at the top of the page.


BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time.

They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse.
Though scientists have been combining the genetic material of two species for 30 years now, their work has remained relatively simplistic.

Do you understand what you read? They created life... at the micro level. Just because they can't create a sperm and and egg, doesn't mean they can't create the spark of life that produces it's own energy.

That was your point... and it's wrong and this isn't the only time it's been done.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Your typical reply when you get shut down and have no ability to respond with anything...

You created this idiotic thread, at least try to keep us assumed.

Us?
you got a mouse in your pocket?
this is quite possibly the most idiot statement I've ever read:

"Religion is fake.... your question has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with God, or creator of all-life, which we can see is real"


yes, you shut me down because I simply can't dumb myself down enough to argue with someone who'd post that like it was some sort of wisdom

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

Us?
you got a mouse in your pocket?
this is quite possibly the most idiot statement I've ever read:

"Religion is fake.... your question has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with God, or creator of all-life, which we can see is real"


yes, you shut me down because I simply can't dumb myself down enough to argue with someone who'd post that like it was some sort of wisdom

Us as in, ALL of gfy...


And, are you truly that stupid?

Your post title was: question for the anti-religious crowd.

Quoted "man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about."

Creating life has NOTHING to do with religion... you moron.

[Robbie]

Just remember this...
Thousands of years ago the Egyptians fervently believed in their Gods.

As did the Greeks.

The Romans.

And countless civilizations across the globe.

We refer to their religions as "Mythology" today. lol

That's what the superstitious nonsense of Christianity, Islam, and every other made up human fantasy will be called a thousand years from now...mythology

[2012]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Your typical reply when you get shut down and have no ability to respond with anything...

You created this idiotic thread, at least try to keep us amused.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

BERKELEY, Calif. - They're called "synthetic biologists" and they boldly claim the ability to make never-before-seen living things, one genetic molecule at a time.

They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources. The rapidly expanding field is confounding the taxonomists' centuries-old system of classifying species and raising concerns about the new technology's potential for misuse.
Though scientists have been combining the genetic material of two species for 30 years now, their work has remained relatively simplistic.

Do you understand what you read? They created life... at the micro level. Just because they can't create a sperm and and egg, doesn't mean they can't create the spark of life that produces it's own energy.

That was your point... and it's wrong and this isn't the only time it's been done.

silly kid. which thing are they calling life in that article? was it the computer, the medicines, or the alternative energy sources?

please son, point it out 'cause hell, if computers are now considered life, I just found 10 more dependents for my tax return

[matuloo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Just remember this...
Thousands of years ago the Egyptians fervently believed in their Gods.

As did the Greeks.

The Romans.

And countless civilizations across the globe.

We refer to their religions as "Mythology" today. lol

That's what the superstitious nonsense of Christianity, Islam, and every other made up human fantasy will be called a thousand years from now...mythology

You took it out of my mouth, no need to go on with this debate. Any half intelligent person has to admit this. Religion is a tool to explain things we do not yet understand and a perfect way of manipulating people.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

silly kid. which thing are they calling life in that article? was it the computer, the medicines, or the alternative energy sources?

please son, point it out 'cause hell, if computers are now considered life, I just found 10 more dependents for my tax return

Holy crap, really?

"They're mixing, matching and stacking DNA's chemical components like microscopic Lego blocks in an effort to make biologically based computers, medicines and alternative energy sources."

They're creating life at the molecular biological level and importing the coded dna onto computers, medicines, and so on... Live solar panels that are lab created microbes that generate self power, are alive and created in a lab.

You clearly don't know wtf they are talking about and it's funny.

[marcop]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

with every post you make, you embarrass yourself in front of intelligent people.

Intelligent people... on GFY? Where?

[J. Falcon]

praise jebus

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

silly kid. which thing are they calling life in that article? was it the computer, the medicines, or the alternative energy sources?

please son, point it out 'cause hell, if computers are now considered life, I just found 10 more dependents for my tax return

I posted better articles... Did you read those?

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

Just because we haven't quite figured out the exact origins of what created human life in the first place doesn't mean we can't prove that elements can create life at all. Throw some yeast in some luke warm sugar water, you'll create a whack of life forms in a matter of seconds ;) The fact that we can create simple life forms with such combinations proves that life can be created by accidents and chaos which helps prove, indirectly and not conclusively, that such a thing could have created us as well.

That and the fact that there are dead religions out there that are known as mythology now, if those were forgotten and discredited enough to be thought as mythology why not current religious beliefs be the same thing?


I'm not a religion basher at all, I'm just defending my own beliefs here

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by TheDoc

Us as in, ALL of gfy...


And, are you truly that stupid?

Your post title was: question for the anti-religious crowd.

Quoted "man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about."

Creating life has NOTHING to do with religion... you moron.

an idiot and his attempt at hair splitting is a funny thing to watch.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion

a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

[CosmicTang]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

The spark of life is beyond our grasp.

An intelligent, open-minded individual couldn't argue with this statement.

However, knowing where that spark comes from, how it works, how it is imbued in us is equally beyond our grasp. Religion invented deities to explain the unknowable, and in the face of scientific discovery held on to them to maintain control.

An avowed agnostic I admit there is something that has set the universe in motion that far exceeds our comprehension at the moment, but the notion that it is an invisible man with a set of rules by his side who judges and condemns, is jealous and capricious, or rewards those who serve him is in a word, laughable. Only beings as arrogant and ignorant as humans would imagine the creator of all looks like them.

I think spiritual faith is vital and essential for our existence and I think as science advances and we attain a more comprehensive understanding of the mechanics of the cosmos, faith and science will eventually come together again as the universe will be explained through mathematics.

But please, spare me organized religions and their know-nothing leaders whose goals are the same as any political leader in the world: power and control through wealth and devotion.

[SpongeBub]

I can certainly believe that this world and everything in it was designed and created by a higher intelligence. I just cannot believe any of the stuff from the bible, cannot believe in their god or his son jesus. That is all clearly a bunch of hooey, made up by men with an agenda. Remember also that the bible wasn't even written until long after jesus died. Who's got that good of a memory? What did he really say? I think he said this - okay, that sounds good. Stick it in the bible.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Just because we haven't quite figured out the exact origins of what created human life in the first place doesn't mean we can't prove that elements can create life at all. Throw some yeast in some luke warm sugar water, you'll create a whack of life forms in a matter of seconds ;) The fact that we can create simple life forms with such combinations proves that life can be created by accidents and chaos which helps prove, indirectly and not conclusively, that such a thing could have created us as well.

That and the fact that there are dead religions out there that are known as mythology now, if those were forgotten and discredited enough to be thought as mythology why not current religious beliefs be the same thing?


I'm not a religion basher at all, I'm just defending my own beliefs here

Yeast:
any of various small, single-celled fungi of the phylum Ascomycota that reproduce by fission or budding, the daughter cells often remaining attached, and that are capable of fermenting carbohydrates into alcohol and carbon dioxide.

if you START with life, you'll get life.
my point is that as we sit here, we can not recreate the origin of our being.if we know there was a time on earth where there was no life, something, as of yet, unexplained created us

[Darkland]

Originally Posted by Darkland

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20249628/

Here is a better and updated article that I could find.

And from May of last year "Life?s First Spark Re-Created in the Laboratory"

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...bonucleotides/

Hmmm... I posted proof against his main argument but he seems to have missed it so I will quote it and see if he misses it, along with everyone else, again.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

man can create test tube babies, clone animals, split atoms, alter genes. Science understands so much yet we can't create life out of the bare elements in the way that science believes it happened. Nor do we have a clue how to do it.
The spark of life is beyond our grasp.
something to think about.

So the source fo life has to be mythical all knowing and all powerful being who looks over us? Nice try.

[2012]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

praise jebus

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by CosmicTang

An intelligent, open-minded individual couldn't argue with this statement.

However, knowing where that spark comes from, how it works, how it is imbued in us is equally beyond our grasp. Religion invented deities to explain the unknowable, and in the face of scientific discovery held on to them to maintain control.

An avowed agnostic I admit there is something that has set the universe in motion that far exceeds our comprehension at the moment, but the notion that it is an invisible man with a set of rules by his side who judges and condemns, is jealous and capricious, or rewards those who serve him is in a word, laughable. Only beings as arrogant and ignorant as humans would imagine the creator of all looks like them.

I think spiritual faith is vital and essential for our existence and I think as science advances and we attain a more comprehensive understanding of the mechanics of the cosmos, faith and science will eventually come together again as the universe will be explained through mathematics.

But please, spare me organized religions and their know-nothing leaders whose goals are the same as any political leader in the world: power and control through wealth and devotion.

spoken like a former catholic.
we can debate the virtues and good works of religion another time.
My thought was, we know so much but still know so little.
but knowing so little, the smallest of us belittle those who believe in god.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by Darkland

Hmmm... I posted proof against his main argument but he seems to have missed it so I will quote it and see if he misses it, along with everyone else, again.

I did miss it.
let me look.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by slapass

So the source fo life has to be mythical all knowing and all powerful being who looks over us? Nice try.

no, it doesn't HAVE to be. but children like yourself imagine they know better. my point is, you don't. you just think you do.

[Overload]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

It would be arrogant to assume that humans know everything that is possible to know, and therefore an all powerful deity *must* exist to fill in all of the gaps. The very fact that we know that there are gaps in our collective knowledge is the first step in discovering how to measure them and understand why they are there and explain them.

religious ppl fill those gaps with BELIEVE - scientific ppl try to fill them with KNOWLEDGE

[matuloo]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

if we know there was a time on earth where there was no life, something, as of yet, unexplained created us

So you believe in what the scientists tell you - that there was a time on earth where there was no life ... this is just a scientifical theory that no one can actually prove. There are no recordings of what what was here a milion years ago, no witnesses either, right?

And on the other hand, you dont believe what the scientists tell you about how the life started, correct?

This is simply a perfect example of religious arguments, you take what suits your own theories and beliefs and dismiss whatever would undermine the religious laws. It has nothing to do with reality, like all the dogmatic shit religions is based on.

[CosmicTang]

Originally Posted by 12clicks

spoken like a former catholic.
we can debate the virtues and good works of religion another time.
My thought was, we know so much but still know so little.
but knowing so little, the smallest of us belittle those who believe in god.

My problem isn't with 'god' per se. It's with religion.

I'm not belittling those who believe in God, just waiting for them to catch up.

[12clicks]

Darkland, I've read those articles before. they've created "building blocks" they have not brought them to life. the headline is misleading I think