AtlantisCash

no comments said You are a good opponent to debate but i would say the otherwise, You can't even discuss one single word without attacking others, in fact You're just a hate mongering stupid moron who's weak on his own side, nothing more.

NoComments

AC, attack the ideas, not the people.
And what are you doing? You go for personality rather than ideas.

BTW, I love Turkey, been there twice and Turkey is one of my favorite destinations,
I am sending my father, sister to Turkey this summer.

The sea food in Istanbul is just superb.

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12clicks

you don't rise to my level of interest.

how was the day job, by the way?

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AtlantisCash

What can i say for such a tool after he stereotypes a community? and brows thru this thread, You will see if hes just attacking the idea.

Other then that, You and Your family are welcome, i m in Istanbul, just message me thru gfy control panel within leaving Your contact if any help needed.

AtlantisCash

Hahaha, Man You're really funny, anyone who oppose Your idea are working day jobs?

No Genius i m not working at a Day job, i m studying last semester of University, i m about graduating.

even though i had a day job i wouldn't be ashamed with that, but i m a Webmaster since 2000, i m in Adult since 2001 and i m thankfully happy with it.

BV

let's get back on topic here

i'm still waiting for to hear about: "the meaning of life"

Dejan

I didn't read the Bible so I don't know all facts, but wasn't there a guy who build large ship out of wood, and collect all the animals on planet to save them from flood...

Now here are some fact's:

According to Wiki there are:

5,416 mammals.
9,956 birds.
8,240 reptiles.
(Source)

To collect all the animals he needed like 300-1500 years.
(don't forget there were two pairs each of them)

Not to to build sips large enough to put all those animal inside, ship must be like couple of miles long... lets say he need like 60 years to build ship that size

I'm not sure how many days was the great flood, but how many food do you need to feed 5,416 mammals? how many fresh water? how many shit do you need to clean each day???

who can believe in this shit?

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will76

That is because we cloned Santa 1000x

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will76

Where did all of the animals go to the bathroom ?

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SmokeyTheBear

thats about the extent of it. You know 12clicks has lost an argument when he says you must have a day job.

12clicks translation chart

day job = i lost my argument but maybe nobody will notice if i make some juvenile accusation or call them names.

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BV

the ark used a bio methane turbine generator as an alternative power source

Mr Gump

animals didnt poo or pee, they just farted, it was a miracle

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papill0n

you are fucking pathetic man

CDSmith

Keyword in that statement: IF

That is not proven fact, it is your belief.

Don't worry, I won't mock you for it. :D

Or develop robotics to the point where your brain can be fused into a replica of your body.

Except I'm not sure I'd want to live forever. At least not in this world.

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papill0n

you gotta love 12clicks though - there aren't many people that would continually burn themselves post after fucking post and then keep showing up for more - thanks for all the laughs idiot and keep trying

CDSmith

That's really the whole point here, yet both sides seem to love to speak in absolutes.
"THIS is how it happened"
"No, THIS is how it happened"
"NO, we evolved THIS way"

If you can't prove it, it is a belief. A theory. Both the scientific and religious doctrines leave gaps that people choose to believe in. Both sides need faith to uphold their story of "how it all happened."

Yes you do. You believe their is no God, for one. You also said earlier you believe we evolve as time goes on... that too is a belief. You believe at least in part in the theory of evolution but as you said you are uncertain about the rest of it. Still constitutes a belief.
Those who believe in the "nothingness" theory for another example, that when we die that's it, nothing, we're gone forever... all have that as a belief since it remains unproven. They seem to all have complete faith in that belief, a quite strong one in fact in most who proclaim it as absolute truth.

In other words both sides have more in common than anyone cares to let on. :D

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POed-poster

Retards believe that shit.

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POed-poster

This is completely true. Nobody can know for certain what happens when you die. It is certainly possible that some part of us survives bodily death, but there is no evidence for that. All we know is through our observation of the deaths of others. They get real still and start to rot. It would be logical to assume that when the body ceases functioning, everything dies. We don't have conclusive evidence for a soul. The most rational belief would be that when we die, that's it.

On the other hand, there are bits and pieces of evidence that suggests the POSSIBILITY of a soul. For example, there is some evidence that plants can sense fear, but plants don't have brains. Then there is the philosophical question of SELF and subjectivity. This is a big problem for materialists. Moreover, there are certain things that don't seem to have a correlate in the brain. The materialist theory that the mind is a 100% byproduct of the brain is not a perfect one. Many things need to be explained.

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Sabby

Somethings you are just not meant to understand...

Dont feel bad. If our Creator would have wanted you to he would have sent you out well equiped.


Sabby

Sabby

Im not unreligious..

I just think our Creator is just not so anal retentive as you all think.

"Life is a Tragedy to those who feel.. And a Comedy to those who Think."

SHE must have a real sense of humor. LOL.


Sabby

Sabby

BTW I didnt read the whole thread on this past post 3 so feel free to flame me.


Sabby

wig

Come on. You don't see a difference between a scientific theory (evolution, relativity, etc) and religious doctrine?

Science, as a method, admits where there are gaps. They don't fill gaps in with faith based beliefs. If there is a hypothesis for such a gap, then it is stated as such.

Religions, in general, place god as an explanation in these gaps. What are the gaps? Well, these are the places science has not yet acquired a theory. Religions offer no evidence, no predictions, no testable anything.

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Sabby

Anyway I will serve my LORD anyway I can... as long as I dont have to do anything weird like build a boat and herd animals. Thats lame.. and I might break a nail... I need those nails... dont I???


Sabby

NoComments

Thank you, I might take you up on this offer one day. I still wanna go to Eastern Turkey I never visited.

As for attacking ideas, one's ideas are much more sensetive spot than one's intolerance to be called names.

Try this approach, master it and you'll leave your opponents with very humble pippies
;)

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wig

That is a non-falsifiable claim and science does not deal with this. Please don't confuse an individuals statements with the whole of the scientific method.

Do you have a link for the theory of nothingness? Or, are you just using the word theory in the colloquial sense?

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NoComments

Not really. Evolution is a Scientific Theory,
while Religious belief is NOT.

In order to become SCIENTIFIC theory, the theory MUST present EVIDENCE of it's validity.
Faith doesn't require any shred of evidence.

HUGE difference.

How are you, BTW?

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NoComments

He does, wig.

How are you? Glad to see you, man!

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Sabby

why? BTW your shell in not as secure as you think it is.


sabby

NoComments

Sabby, if God wanted you to understand it....

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Sabby

He wouldnt have brought it to me otherwise.. would he?


All powerful.


Sabby

Sabby

You really do have many steps to go... but you need to experience your ignorance.


Sabby

NoComments

you see, Sabby, you CAN answer your own questions....thanks God!

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Sabby

And SHE's always loved you Sergie ;)


Sabby

wig

Hi Serge. Doing well, my friend. We are still in Panama, so if you are ever down this way hit me up.

I hope you are doing well, too!

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NoComments

Not really, it's 45F in Boca and I am freezing my ass off!
;)

Hopefully I'll make it down there one day. You still have the same ICQ?
Let's chat markets, I always make money knowing what you are doing

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wig

Holy shit... 45F in Boca Raton is crazy.

Yes, still have same ICQ. I see you. :-)

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AtlantisCash

i don't know where do You plan to go for east side, but if You like skiing, You may try Erzurum Palandoken they have good Skiing places, other then that if You are not in seeing historical places east side might be boring for You, because Our east border is backward.

i would advise You to go Western and southern areas including Istanbul, Izmir, Chanakkale which is my actual hometown... Antalya, Marmaris, Bodrum and so much to see.

a specially west and southern areas are fun.

CDSmith

Yes. But I also see the commonalities of the two. Don't you?

Yes, and as I said those hypothesis' are either believed in or not. As in taken on faith. Really, if you don't have faith in your hypothesis what's the point?

There again, that's why it's called faith.

There's plenty beliefs on the scientific side of the argument that offer nothing physically testable or provable either. Go back in time far enough in the evolution of the world and the universe and at some point it all becomes speculation.

You're focused on the differences, while I am merely pointing out the what the two sides have in common. Both sides rely on a modicum of faith to complete the puzzle, not just one. In fact some people put so much faith in science and all it's theories that it becomes as much of a religion as religion is.

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CDSmith

Oh, was my use of the word "theory" incorrect? Maybe I should have used the word "opinion" instead? "The opinion of nothingness" it is then. Happier?

The next time someone says "It is my theory that when you die, that's it, you're gone into nothingness" I will speak up and correct them on their grave error.

Thank you thank you thank you.

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CDSmith

Actually Christian sceience is a burgeoning industry! But..that's a whole other compartment to the argument. :D

Yes, but huge samenesses as well. Whenever the college professor is teaching the "scientific" theory of evolution of the universe and the word "probably" starts making it's appearance in the lecture, that is the precise point that faith enters into it as well. If you believe in those "probablies" that would indicate one has faith in them, at least until they are later either disproved or a "better" or otherwise more viable "probably" comes along.

Faith baby, ya gotta have FAITH. What does Serge have faith in these days?

Incredibly good as usual. Very much enjoying being more than 12 years retired from former job. One of these days I may even retire from internet. Then like you stick around to torment the horde. :D

And you? Pick up any more '67 Barolo lately?

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TheDoc

In Science 'Theory' means Imperfect Facts. Evolution is both fact and theory, it is a fact that evolution happens, it's a theory on exactly how in happens in 'some' areas, but over time they stack up more facts as they find them, and the theory is discovered or solved.

It takes several supported facts to make a theory, otherwise it's an opinion. It takes no supported facts to make up faith. They are impossibly related.

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NoComments

been everywhere you mentioned already and I am historical sites freak.

East has some interesting places.

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NoComments

Not according to US Court decision
;)


I am afraid you are a bit out of touch with reality.
Let's discuss it AFTER you watch the documentary I suggested, so at least, we could argue being on the same level.



I am an Atheist, does this answer your question?


as a matter of fact I did! Good juice!

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NoComments

uhhmmmm... YES and NO.

Evolution Theory has nothing to do with Origins of Life.

Did you read Darwin?

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Yes and no on what part? In Science 'Theory' means Imperfect Facts.... that is true.

I'm not talking about today's organisms that have evolved from older ancestral organisms.

The theory of evolution has to do with the observed changes and how they occurred. They have theories of the mechanism of evolution, which aren't related to the Origins of Life - or maybe they are but not in my example

Anyway, I used evolution as the example, because many parts aren't theory anymore.. over the years facts have stacked up to remove those theories, yes some remain but at least you can start to see the proof.

Unlike faith, no facts are stacking up at all, not even one, to support it.

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Aside from all the oh so sound reasoned arguments that always go on in these types of threads the thing I always find the most amusing is how both sides try to convince the other that theirs is the correct way, the ONLY way, to think. Non-believers and the science crowd tend to throw a lot of ridicule at the creationist/Christian or otherwise religious crowd, and the "religionists" love to talk about how immoral and faithless the other side is, all the while wondering why they can't see the evidence of God's work which they believe is in plain view all around us.

Members of both sides take to the boards and aggressively try to argue their case and won't hear of how they may have anything in common with their counterparts, and vehemently deny the possibility even exists. Fact is whether your beliefs are athiest, Christian, science/athiest, Muslim with an interest in gene-splicing, Islamic but you majored in genetic engineering, or whatever ---- if your faith in your belief is unshakeable and you are secure in your mindset and confident you are on the right path in life, that really should be good enough for you. Shouldn't it? It always amuses me how so many feel the driving need to convince others that their way is right and everyone else's beliefs are wrong. It really does smack of insecurity no matter who is doing it.

I'll say this much for the scientists and athiests, at least you don't come down my street in pairs twice a year knocking on my door trying to recruit me into your religion. I'm thankful for that because I'm running out of places in my yard to bury the bodies.

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dig420

Thinking science and religion are equally faith based doesn't speak well for your alma mater.

mayabong

Having a degree from a university doesn't exactly make you smart.. I've found quite the opposite.. Universities seem to close the mind is what i've seen

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CDSmith

I've explained where the faith part enters into those, never said they were equally anything.

Read back.

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Redrob

I am amazed at the amout of time and energy spent in this tread.