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lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:13 PM

Ok,

Basically i deal with free content, im wondering what some of you pro's think of this.

Can exclusive content make a worthwhile difference in your convertions?

Im assuming it might also help me get listed in some cases also, but just wondering if it is actually worthwhile to invest in content.

notjoe · 12-22-2002, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Ok,

Basically i deal with free content, im wondering what some of you pro's think of this.

Can exclusive content make a worthwhile difference in your convertions?

Im assuming it might also help me get listed in some cases also, but just wondering if it is actually worthwhile to invest in content.

OF course! The right content can be like a drug to someone and will keep them coming back for a long time. Since they cannot find it anywhere else they will stick with you.

If you dont update you can forget it.

Fletch XXX · 12-22-2002, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

Can exclusive content make a worthwhile difference in your convertions?

What kind of question is that?

If everyone wore the same color shirt, and I was selling red shirts you think id make a few bucks?

Exclusive means no one else has it, meaning rare, meaning if they want it, they gotta join your site.

Such silly questions.

Ramster · 12-22-2002, 07:24 PM

Free content in gallery making can hurt sales. If the surfer has already seen the pics, he might just close the window or hit back without even looking at your page. But like what was already said, fresh unseen content can be a drug. It catches the surfer's eye and allows you to now work your sell.

ancher · 12-22-2002, 07:26 PM

Many of my client's is asking for exclusive set's now, so like Notjoe say, they are coming back....even Arnold do it :-)

www.glamourgirls.biz

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:29 PM

"If everyone wore the same color shirt, and I was selling red shirts you think id make a few bucks?"

Well common now, even though it is free ... the odds of a surfur seeing the same content even in the same week and remembering it is slim IMHO.

The few surfurs that do see the same shit floating around, and they remember it ... chances are these guys are surfing so much they arent gonna buy anything anyhow ... they just surfing all day/night for free shit.

"Exclusive means no one else has it, meaning rare, meaning if they want it, they gotta join your site."

yes i know that, but im talking about gallery building actually, i shoulda mentioned that maybe.

Fletch XXX · 12-22-2002, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

Well common now, even though it is free ... the odds of a surfur seeing the same content even in the same week and remembering it is slim

Keep telling yourself that.

They see the same content more often than you think

What sponsors free content are you using?

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:36 PM

Fletch,

As much as im sure your waiting for me to say nasty dollars content, lol ...

i use content from revshare (as if thats any better)

and also just hooked up with a new sponsor that not too many people promote, they give us content also. pornstar stuff though, so its stuff like guage and jenna and terra .... cant really get too exclusive witht hat stuff i guess.

FlyingIguana · 12-22-2002, 07:38 PM

last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused.

Nbritte · 12-22-2002, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
"If everyone wore the same color shirt, and I was selling red shirts you think id make a few bucks?"

Well common now, even though it is free ... the odds of a surfur seeing the same content even in the same week and remembering it is slim IMHO.

The few surfurs that do see the same shit floating around, and they remember it ... chances are these guys are surfing so much they arent gonna buy anything anyhow ... they just surfing all day/night for free shit.

"Exclusive means no one else has it, meaning rare, meaning if they want it, they gotta join your site."

yes i know that, but im talking about gallery building actually, i shoulda mentioned that maybe.

One good sponsor with 100 webmaster using the same pics being submitted to 800 tgps using RS 3 to 4 times a week that would be what 240,000 possible places for a surfer to see the same content

Yeah the odds are they would not see it twice

On the other hand if you buy content and the surfer Just loves the pics signs up and cant find that model will they rebll???

Nbritt

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:41 PM

"last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused."

thats gotta suck ass! Whenever i do actually drop cash on content, i make sure it is exclusive .... or very limited usage.

Nbritte · 12-22-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused.

The first time I bought some I had the same problem

Fletch XXX · 12-22-2002, 07:43 PM

I wasnt anticipating any sponsor, dont ever think you can guess what I am up to.

buahahaha

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yes i know that, but im talking about gallery building actually, i shoulda mentioned that maybe.

Especially in gallery making.

The content you are given has been giving to hundreds of not 1000s of other people.

And especially if you are talking tgps, most have the exact galleries on them.

If the tgp is worth submitting to, you have 50 fuckers on this board ALONE that are sending galleries to them.

For someone who didnt think exclusivity meant anything at the beginning of this thread, you sure act like you know things.

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thats gotta suck ass! Whenever i do actually drop cash on content, i make sure it is exclusive .... or very limited usage.

Who have you gotten to shoot exclusive for you?

FlyingIguana · 12-22-2002, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by Nbritte

One good sponsor with 100 webmaster using the same pics being submitted to 800 tgps using RS 3 to 4 times a week that would be what 240,000 possible places for a surfer to see the same content

Yeah the odds are they would not see it twice

On the other hand if you buy content and the surfer Just loves the pics signs up and cant find that model will they rebll???

Nbritt

thats why i would like to see good sponsor content that you have to pay a small fee to use. the more serious webmasters would get quality content that matches the site and actually get listed.

i think content that matches whats actually in the members area would help rebills. your ads include the content and not just the actual banner + text.

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:48 PM

"For someone who didnt think exclusivity meant anything at the beginning of this thread, you sure act like you know things"

Fletch,

Actually i dont, i just know whenever i buy content i try to make sure its as close to exclusive as i can get it ...

my question and reason for openeing this thread is ...

I wonder if it REALLY makes a difference in gallery conversions. I havent noticed a difference either way, figured id ask you guys.

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 07:51 PM

"Who have you gotten to shoot exclusive for you?"

Fletch,

sorry i overlooked this .....

ive never had someone do private shoots for me, what i meant was i buy content that is claimed to be exclusive.

Pornwolf · 12-22-2002, 08:25 PM

Buy content? Most of the people I know submit the free hosted galleries. You should too. You'll get listed everytime with those professional looking high speed creations. Why waste your time buying and building when it has been done for you.

Would anyone be interested in buying this bridge I have in my backyard?

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 08:27 PM

"You'll get listed everytime with those professional looking high speed creations."

funny

heh

AaronM · 12-22-2002, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Nbritte

On the other hand if you buy content and the surfer Just loves the pics signs up and cant find that model will they rebll???

Nbritt

Excellent point. The answer is that they most likely will not. Sponsors know this and the smart ones watch what is converting. If they do not have it, they will seek out the content provider and buy it. I have had a lot of sales from this sort of thing.

Exclusive sets for galleries is stupid. It is a HUGE waste of money, in most cases. If you are running the pay site and want to give your webmasters exclusive content then that is a different story but for an affiliate to pay for exclusive is just dumb.

A better option is to find a reputable content provider who can offer you images that are fairly unsaturated. There are content providers who specifically target TGP submitters for clients. The ones that do this are often seen everywhere and might as well be the same as using free stuff.

Do a little homework. Surf the TGP's a little and compare the content to what content providers offer on their sites. If you see the same stuff a lot then find a different content provider. There are a lot of providers out there these days. Be careful who you deal with.

lil2rich4u2 · 12-22-2002, 09:46 PM

Aaron,

Well said, thank you.

UnseenWorld · 12-23-2002, 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM

Excellent point. The answer is that they most likely will not. Sponsors know this and the smart ones watch what is converting. If they do not have it, they will seek out the content provider and buy it. I have had a lot of sales from this sort of thing.

Exclusive sets for galleries is stupid. It is a HUGE waste of money, in most cases. If you are running the pay site and want to give your webmasters exclusive content then that is a different story but for an affiliate to pay for exclusive is just dumb.

A better option is to find a reputable content provider who can offer you images that are fairly unsaturated. There are content providers who specifically target TGP submitters for clients. The ones that do this are often seen everywhere and might as well be the same as using free stuff.

Do a little homework. Surf the TGP's a little and compare the content to what content providers offer on their sites. If you see the same stuff a lot then find a different content provider. There are a lot of providers out there these days. Be careful who you deal with.

Speaking as a content provider, one strategy might be to use brand new (seldom seen) nonexclusive content to submit to TGP's and then buy some exclusive material from the same provider of the same model(s). But don't buy exclusive material and submit it to galleries. You're just throwing away the value of the exclusivity if you do that.

However, one point introducing some realism regarding exclusive content. Eventually, it will leak off your site, be swapped around in chat rooms, pirated, etc., so the value of exclusivity diminishes over time.

AaronM · 12-23-2002, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

However, one point introducing some realism regarding exclusive content. Eventually, it will leak off your site, be swapped around in chat rooms, pirated, etc., so the value of exclusivity diminishes over time.

I am not sure that I agree with this. If you buy it as exclusive then why not brand it and if it circulates in the newsgroups so be it. If people like it then they may come to your site for more.

I recently read a post where the person mentioned that members of his site have comment on being able to see all of his stuff in one site instead of a little here and there.

Now, if I could just remember who it was.....

OH yeah...It was you.

AaronM · 12-23-2002, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2
Aaron,

Well said, thank you.

My pleasure.

VirtuMike · 12-23-2002, 03:27 AM

The best conversions and retentions you'll see come from pics the sponsors give you. They fit the theme of the site because they are FROM that site. Also the sponsor usually picks out the pics, so they're the juciest ones from the set to show what's in the members areas.

That being said, there's no guarantee that those will get listed. Limited release content seems to get the best listings because it's not played out, but if they join looking for that set and it's not in the members area, they're going to be pissed.

Look at it psychologically. Every sale is based on ONE thing that really grabs the customer. They're not unsophisticated wishy washy moron subscribers, they look for their fetish and they click till they see exactly what they want and a point scatter around it. If they see one girl in particular that lights them up, they join BECAUSE of that ONE GIRL and THAT THEME. If it's not in there but the point scatter is, they might stick around, but the cognitive dissonance is significantly higher if they can't find what they're looking for. If the galleries are completely unrelated, you see more chargebacks and shorter membership lengths.

Talk to your sponsors and ask them what they think you should do. And tell them to BUY MY CONTENT.

Paul Markham · 12-23-2002, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by FlyingIguana
last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused.

Then be more careful where and what you are buying.

This is why you "Sign up" flamers are VERY wrong.

Sign up on 3-6 good content sites, depending on how much you want to buy. Make sure their content matches your needs. They will then send you an email once a week/fortnight informing you of their new sets.

You buy the new stuff it's not going to be all over the place and flogged to death.

Of course if you can afford to buy exclusive, then you will be streets ahead. But this is a chicken and egg question. Can you afford to buy it or can you afford not too?

Remember even if it's exclusive it has to be good. Exclusive turds still smell bad.

And remember it has to fit where you are sending the surfer.

Dveron · 12-23-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Speaking as a content provider, one strategy might be to use brand new (seldom seen) nonexclusive content to submit to TGP's and then buy some exclusive material from the same provider of the same model(s).

Especially if you put that exclusive content behind a recurring Free AVS

cheekycherry · 12-23-2002, 04:57 AM

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Especially if you put that exclusive content behind a recurring Free AVS

Is there such a thing?

A recurring payout on a free avs pass? If so, give me the URL. I'll say bye bye to sex key.

kevinl · 12-24-2002, 03:27 AM

If I was using exclusive conent i would definitely upsell them to a premium avs.

Sarah_Jayne · 12-24-2002, 03:54 AM

try being a tgp reviewer for a couple weeks and you will soon see just how many people use the same content - free and paid. Some women I think I know from every possible angle just from doing reviews and others if I see again I will scream.

greentea · 07-27-2003, 04:41 AM

monkey see monkey do

gothweb · 07-27-2003, 04:47 AM

You have to find the best balance you can between content that is on the site, and content that isn't oversaturated. Free content from some sponsors won't do the trick, but from some it will. Exclusive content is insane for galleries-- the price is too high, and the surfer won't find it on the site when they sign up.

I have had a few people buy my content sets to promote my sites in galleries. That way, it's content from the site that isn't all over the place. Not always an option, of course, but the idea should be to come up with the ideal solution to your exact situation. General questions reveal very little, even when answered the best way possible.

SoBeGirl Video · 07-27-2003, 08:57 AM

Here are some links to new content that has just been released.

http://www.*************/stsamp22.htm

If you want to use a free feed try this out.

http://www.sobecams.com/free

Cya :-)

12-22-2002, 07:13 PM	#1
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Paid Content or Free? Ok, Basically i deal with free content, im wondering what some of you pro's think of this. Can exclusive content make a worthwhile difference in your convertions? Im assuming it might also help me get listed in some cases also, but just wondering if it is actually worthwhile to invest in content. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

12-22-2002, 07:24 PM	#4
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12-22-2002, 07:29 PM	#6
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	"If everyone wore the same color shirt, and I was selling red shirts you think id make a few bucks?" Well common now, even though it is free ... the odds of a surfur seeing the same content even in the same week and remembering it is slim IMHO. The few surfurs that do see the same shit floating around, and they remember it ... chances are these guys are surfing so much they arent gonna buy anything anyhow ... they just surfing all day/night for free shit. "Exclusive means no one else has it, meaning rare, meaning if they want it, they gotta join your site." yes i know that, but im talking about gallery building actually, i shoulda mentioned that maybe. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

12-22-2002, 07:51 PM	#16
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	"Who have you gotten to shoot exclusive for you?" Fletch, sorry i overlooked this ..... ive never had someone do private shoots for me, what i meant was i buy content that is claimed to be exclusive. __________________ HEY!! Unbeatable hosting! Customer service is top notch! --> ISPrime <-- Do a search on any board, their reputation is rock solid .. for years!!

12-22-2002, 07:36 PM	#8
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Fletch, As much as im sure your waiting for me to say nasty dollars content, lol ... i use content from revshare (as if thats any better) and also just hooked up with a new sponsor that not too many people promote, they give us content also. pornstar stuff though, so its stuff like guage and jenna and terra .... cant really get too exclusive witht hat stuff i guess.

12-22-2002, 07:38 PM	#9
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused.

12-22-2002, 07:41 PM	#11
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	"last time i bought content for tgp galleries i got declined cuss the content was overused." thats gotta suck ass! Whenever i do actually drop cash on content, i make sure it is exclusive .... or very limited usage.

12-22-2002, 07:48 PM	#15
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	"For someone who didnt think exclusivity meant anything at the beginning of this thread, you sure act like you know things" Fletch, Actually i dont, i just know whenever i buy content i try to make sure its as close to exclusive as i can get it ... my question and reason for openeing this thread is ... I wonder if it REALLY makes a difference in gallery conversions. I havent noticed a difference either way, figured id ask you guys.

12-22-2002, 08:25 PM	#17
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Buy content? Most of the people I know submit the free hosted galleries. You should too. You'll get listed everytime with those professional looking high speed creations. Why waste your time buying and building when it has been done for you. Would anyone be interested in buying this bridge I have in my backyard? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

12-22-2002, 08:27 PM	#18
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	"You'll get listed everytime with those professional looking high speed creations." funny heh

12-22-2002, 09:46 PM	#20
lil2rich4u2 ICQ: 175171926 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: New York, NY Posts: 11,046	Aaron, Well said, thank you.

12-23-2002, 03:27 AM	#24
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	The best conversions and retentions you'll see come from pics the sponsors give you. They fit the theme of the site because they are FROM that site. Also the sponsor usually picks out the pics, so they're the juciest ones from the set to show what's in the members areas. That being said, there's no guarantee that those will get listed. Limited release content seems to get the best listings because it's not played out, but if they join looking for that set and it's not in the members area, they're going to be pissed. Look at it psychologically. Every sale is based on ONE thing that really grabs the customer. They're not unsophisticated wishy washy moron subscribers, they look for their fetish and they click till they see exactly what they want and a point scatter around it. If they see one girl in particular that lights them up, they join BECAUSE of that ONE GIRL and THAT THEME. If it's not in there but the point scatter is, they might stick around, but the cognitive dissonance is significantly higher if they can't find what they're looking for. If the galleries are completely unrelated, you see more chargebacks and shorter membership lengths. Talk to your sponsors and ask them what they think you should do. And tell them to BUY MY CONTENT. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

12-24-2002, 03:27 AM	#28
kevinl Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: US Posts: 261	If I was using exclusive conent i would definitely upsell them to a premium avs. __________________ kevinl

12-24-2002, 03:54 AM	#29
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	try being a tgp reviewer for a couple weeks and you will soon see just how many people use the same content - free and paid. Some women I think I know from every possible angle just from doing reviews and others if I see again I will scream.

07-27-2003, 04:41 AM	#30
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07-27-2003, 04:47 AM	#31
gothweb Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Back in the USSA Posts: 8,849	You have to find the best balance you can between content that is on the site, and content that isn't oversaturated. Free content from some sponsors won't do the trick, but from some it will. Exclusive content is insane for galleries-- the price is too high, and the surfer won't find it on the site when they sign up. I have had a few people buy my content sets to promote my sites in galleries. That way, it's content from the site that isn't all over the place. Not always an option, of course, but the idea should be to come up with the ideal solution to your exact situation. General questions reveal very little, even when answered the best way possible. __________________ Photos by Ian X.: Distinctive photos of goth babes. Blood Money:Your traffic, my sites, our money. MojoHost: Still the best.

07-27-2003, 08:57 AM	#32
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Here are some links to new content that has just been released. http://www.*************/stsamp22.htm If you want to use a free feed try this out. http://www.sobecams.com/free Cya :-)