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neonlights · 12-06-2009, 02:15 PM

I am quite new to this business, and hoping to learn a lot.

I am thinking of renting some equipment from my college, like lights, camera and things like that. I also think i should take on a few partners.

Question is how much should you pay your female models ? what about male ? How should you pay them ?

Where do you get the models ?

How do you charge people in Asia like thailand, korea, japan, china ? what about europe ? does CCbill only work for american consumers ?

thank you for reading.

Loch · 12-06-2009, 02:17 PM

dont do it man lol
you are late out and this industry is in 99.999% of cases for new people dead!

Paul Markham · 12-06-2009, 02:29 PM

As a long term professional pornographer, 30 years and still working, I can tell you this is the toughest time in the porn industry. Picking up a camera and pointing it at naked people is easy, producing something people will pay for is a different thing entirely.

If you're determined to get into the biz, start out as an affiliate and learn the ropes.

If you just want to shoot naked females hit me up on ICQ I have a site with all the info you need.

How much to pay models is a question that has 1000 answers.

Spunky · 12-06-2009, 02:34 PM

Welcome to the board

DaddyHalbucks · 12-06-2009, 02:37 PM

Don't forget model releases and 2257 info!

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 02:38 PM

Another question I have is, what is considered "obscene" ? Why is it that MAx Hardcore dude was jailed ?

is this why there is virtually no "simulated rape" in American porn ? because it is considered "obscene" ? Yet japanese have many "simulated rape" scenes.

As for billing, can you use CCBill to charge users from most country in the world ? even asia and europe ?

Thank you again, for reading and your responses.

woj · 12-06-2009, 02:43 PM

seriously dude, you don't have the equipment, don't have access to hot girls, are clueless about the biz... it's just not going to work...

mmcfadden · 12-06-2009, 02:44 PM

not allowed... rape, simulated rape, weapons, g/g sex, g/b sex, solo sex.

CCbill bills all over... a few countries are blocked

cheers, welcome to the board!

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

seriously dude, you don't have the equipment, don't have access to hot girls, are clueless about the biz... it's just not going to work...

sorry...i am really working hard to learn this trade and get into this business.... i was not fortunate enough to inherit models and camera equipments

Juicy D. Links · 12-06-2009, 02:45 PM

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neonlights · 12-06-2009, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmcfadden

not allowed... rape, simulated rape, weapons, g/g sex, g/b sex, solo sex.

CCbill bills all over... a few countries are blocked

cheers, welcome to the board!

are there any reviews on CCbill ? is this the de-facto payment gateway of adult industry ?

Are there any reputable alternatives to CCbill that other professionals use on here ?

which countries are banned from CCbill? i presume Iran, Afghanistan ?

Paul Markham · 12-06-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

Another question I have is, what is considered "obscene" ? Why is it that MAx Hardcore dude was jailed ?

is this why there is virtually no "simulated rape" in American porn ? because it is considered "obscene" ? Yet japanese have many "simulated rape" scenes.

Thank you again, for reading and your responses.

Get yourself a lawyer who understands the business and the laws in your locality before anything else.

$5 submissions · 12-06-2009, 02:50 PM

Welcome to GFY, man.

Paul Markham · 12-06-2009, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

are there any reviews on CCbill ? is this the de-facto payment gateway of adult industry ?

Are there any reputable alternatives to CCbill that other professionals use on here ?

which countries are banned from CCbill? i presume Iran, Afghanistan ?

CCBILL are top of the tree in the adult world for billing followed by Epoch. If they ban the country don't ask why, just take their advice.

Take a stroll around some more webmaster boards, I can't list them here as professional courtesy, and find ones with stacks of articles covering all the points you will need to know.

DBS.US · 12-06-2009, 02:56 PM

Don't do it. Try a mainstream first.

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 03:02 PM

thank you paul and other's insights.

another concern I have is really protecting my identity. I am thinking of incorporating offshore, and creating an anonymous corporation (from what i've read).

now has anyone done this before? which off-shore jurisdiction is best?

Do you also have to shoot your content off-shore ? it seems the obscenity law is very broad and vague, what is the chance of getting busted like Max Hardcore ?

Thanks again, I will keep reading this thread.

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 03:43 PM

another question: how do you protect your content from being pirated ? can you just use DRM for your videos ? even then, can someone still rip the video ?

Wilsy · 12-06-2009, 03:46 PM

Hi and welcome. Do you have ICQ?

Cyber Fucker · 12-06-2009, 03:48 PM

Welcome and good luck!

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 03:54 PM

hi andrew, and paul, i have added you.

MalloyEPC · 12-06-2009, 03:54 PM

seriously look into building a blog or something first, before you jump in with both feet.... IMO

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 04:07 PM

yes i had some sites in the past, and sold affiliate adult entertainment products. i am aware that tube sites are really making it tough for the smaller guys (not everyone is Brazzers).

however, shooting content i am not 100% in it for the money...this is something that i dreamt of when i was a little kid...yeah call me sick and twisted but i fancied making porn one day.

Agent 488 · 12-06-2009, 04:08 PM

dude online adult at this time is almost a license to print money. i'm surprised bernake hasn't shut it down yet.

welcome. the opportunities are endless.

Mock NyaMout · 12-06-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agent 488

dude online adult at this time is almost a license to print money. i'm surprised bernake hasn't shut it down yet.

welcome. the opportunities are endless.

Well put

Argos88 · 12-06-2009, 04:26 PM

this is the worst time ever and things are getting darker and worse each day...

if you can live off savings you have in your bank account for at least 1-2 years untill you get stable, then consider it.. otherwise, there are 100000 more profitable business more than adult right now...

WebAdultSolution · 12-06-2009, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loch

dont do it man lol
you are late out and this industry is in 99.999% of cases for new people dead!

Agreeeeee!!!!

pornlaw · 12-06-2009, 04:55 PM

If you are in the US, offshore wont matter. And you really wont be able to protect your identity. Websites dont go to jail, people do.

And as for civil lawsuits, again if you are in the US it wont be that hard to find you. Someone with enough money and a PI will be able to do it. You probably already gave your info to GFY so therefore someone already knows who you are.

AaronM · 12-06-2009, 05:04 PM

CLEARLY a fake nic.

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw

If you are in the US, offshore wont matter. And you really wont be able to protect your identity. Websites dont go to jail, people do.

And as for civil lawsuits, again if you are in the US it wont be that hard to find you. Someone with enough money and a PI will be able to do it. You probably already gave your info to GFY so therefore someone already knows who you are.

what if i became Canadian citizen and give up American citizenship.

d-null · 12-06-2009, 05:22 PM

roxxx · 12-06-2009, 05:29 PM

Welcome here!

gandalfuy · 12-06-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null

hahah

Welcome to the board!

rowan · 12-06-2009, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

what if i became Canadian citizen and give up American citizenship.

I was about to post a serious reply with some advice until I saw this... lol

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

I was about to post a serious reply with some advice until I saw this... lol

honestly, there is no real advantage of being an American citizen.

Iron Fist · 12-06-2009, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

seriously dude, you don't have the equipment, don't have access to hot girls, are clueless about the biz... it's just not going to work...

Normally I try to be nice to new people... but in definitely quoting for truth here.... doesn't have a clue.

mmcfadden · 12-06-2009, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

honestly, there is no real advantage of being an American citizen.

except tapping that american ass

bitch

pornlaw · 12-06-2009, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

what if i became Canadian citizen and give up American citizenship.

For civil -- no, a lawyer would just have to go through the Hague Convention to serve you in Canada. Its not that tricky.

As for criminal - if you ever even touch down in the US on a flight passing through, the FBI can come aboard the plane and arrest you. The FBI did this to a guy from Brazil that was charged with obscenity and two other guys that violated that US online gaming laws.

Relentless · 12-06-2009, 07:18 PM

If you aren't aware what a model earns and don't own any equipment, stop trying to think of a way to outsmart law enforcement. Having no models and gear is a lot better for you than having models, gear and a jail sentence.

J. Falcon · 12-06-2009, 07:21 PM

Sounds like you really thought this thing through.

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornlaw

For civil -- no, a lawyer would just have to go through the Hague Convention to serve you in Canada. Its not that tricky.

As for criminal - if you ever even touch down in the US on a flight passing through, the FBI can come aboard the plane and arrest you. The FBI did this to a guy from Brazil that was charged with obscenity and two other guys that violated that US online gaming laws.

what is obscene then ? hardcore film is obscene ? what kind of content can you shoot within safe legal boundaries ? none of it was explained here....

i see lot of bdsm contents and such, are those legal in USA ?

mmcfadden · 12-06-2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

what is obscene then ? hardcore film is obscene ? what kind of content can you shoot within safe legal boundaries ? none of it was explained here....

i see lot of bdsm contents and such, are those legal in USA ?

Do not ask questions... just turn on your NEON lights

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 09:05 PM

pornlaw, do you have ICQ or email or phone ?

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 09:08 PM

mmcfadden....did you get the help from pornlaw ? i saw your message on pornlaw's profile...hopefully not too seirous.

Iron Fist · 12-06-2009, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

mmcfadden....did you get the help from pornlaw ? i saw your message on pornlaw's profile...hopefully not too seirous.

You'll need money.... something that you most likely doesn't have any of right now.

neonlights · 12-06-2009, 09:11 PM

another question i have is...why do Asian Traffic not convert ?

mmcfadden · 12-06-2009, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

mmcfadden....did you get the help from pornlaw ? i saw your message on pornlaw's profile...hopefully not too seirous.

haha... old times. i remember that...

no i did not get help and yes it got worked out on its own and a bunch of fuckin emails

HDADULT · 12-06-2009, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mock NyaMout

Well put

ahh ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

BlingDaddy · 12-06-2009, 10:05 PM

I just love reading the craziness as it comes through... LOL

LoveSandra · 12-06-2009, 10:09 PM

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BVF · 12-06-2009, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neonlights

i am not 100% in it for the money...this is something that i dreamt of when i was a little kid...yeah call me sick and twisted but i fancied making porn one day.

If that's the case, then you don't need to be asking anybody anything.....Just pick up a camera and start shooting for the enjoyment of it.....If you have passion for it and can find likeminded viewers, you'll start making sales.....

Fuck asking about offshore corporations and shit like that.....Grab a camera, find some bitches and make it happen.....THEN come back here and yap on and on when you have some product to show.

edit......I think that is is yet another lame attempt at a fake nic.

12-06-2009, 02:15 PM	#1
neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	hi, i am new...some questions about adult business... I am quite new to this business, and hoping to learn a lot. I am thinking of renting some equipment from my college, like lights, camera and things like that. I also think i should take on a few partners. Question is how much should you pay your female models ? what about male ? How should you pay them ? Where do you get the models ? How do you charge people in Asia like thailand, korea, japan, china ? what about europe ? does CCbill only work for american consumers ? thank you for reading.

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	Another question I have is, what is considered "obscene" ? Why is it that MAx Hardcore dude was jailed ? is this why there is virtually no "simulated rape" in American porn ? because it is considered "obscene" ? Yet japanese have many "simulated rape" scenes. As for billing, can you use CCBill to charge users from most country in the world ? even asia and europe ? Thank you again, for reading and your responses.

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	thank you paul and other's insights. another concern I have is really protecting my identity. I am thinking of incorporating offshore, and creating an anonymous corporation (from what i've read). now has anyone done this before? which off-shore jurisdiction is best? Do you also have to shoot your content off-shore ? it seems the obscenity law is very broad and vague, what is the chance of getting busted like Max Hardcore ? Thanks again, I will keep reading this thread.

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	another question: how do you protect your content from being pirated ? can you just use DRM for your videos ? even then, can someone still rip the video ?

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	pornlaw, do you have ICQ or email or phone ?

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	mmcfadden....did you get the help from pornlaw ? i saw your message on pornlaw's profile...hopefully not too seirous.

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neonlights So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 464	another question i have is...why do Asian Traffic not convert ?

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