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topal · 12-12-2002, 03:07 PM

man.. this guy made these sales.. and they didnt tell anything until he wants his money!.. stats area saya checks are posted.. but they never sent!.. what the fuck logic is this?
he made sales.. they made $3600 or more bucks and they MUST send his money.. its his right!

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal
man.. this guy made these sales.. and they didnt tell anything until he wants his money!.. stats area saya checks are posted.. but they never sent!.. what the fuck logic is this?
he made sales.. they made $3600 or more bucks and they MUST send his money.. its his right!

When you break the rules, your "rights" are stripped.

p1mpdogg · 12-12-2002, 03:10 PM

ok.. let me rephrase.

We all know the TOS says 'This country is banned..blahblahblah".. and that isnt being argued.. I think what is being argued is the ethics involved in this issue. His signups have not been deemed fraudulent.. so why not terminate his account and pay him.. both ppl are happy, lesson learned.. no harm no foul? is that hard todo? Doesn't give siccash any bad PR, and the affiliate learns his lesson.

I dont see why that wouldnt make everyone happy

TheFLY · 12-12-2002, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [The Leader]

LOL, I was right, you are stupid. CC fraud is far from the only factor.

Ok please list the other factors -- why Czech people are so "lawless" -- I have Czech friends in Florida... You're a moron.

Rich J. · 12-12-2002, 03:12 PM

If you really want to push a program and your in a country on their banned list, email them. Show them how you plan to promote the site and chances are they will allow you into the program. I know we have done it for a few webmasters with no problem.

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Ok please list the other factors -- why Czech people are so "lawless" -- I have Czech friends in Florida... You're a moron.

What do Czech friends in Florida have to do with Czechs in Czech? Are you trying to discriminate based on nationality? You bastard.

TomasDean · 12-12-2002, 03:15 PM

[The Leader], I agree with you, Miguel broke their rules.

I do not know american laws, but I feel that I cannot simple write to my rules "Black people are not permit to join my program". And this Country thing is the same...

He has made almost $2000 with their program!
Do you understand that he is NOT an 1% webmaster?

Shooter · 12-12-2002, 03:18 PM

Banning countries has absolutely nothing to with racism. It has to do with the fact that there's a large number of cheaters in that country, to the point where it costs the company money to allow them as affiliates. You're an honest webmaster? Email them with a reference and 95% will let you in.

Jeez, this is like the 8000th time we've had this discussion.

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Ok please list the other factors -- why Czech people are so "lawless" -- I have Czech friends in Florida... You're a moron.

Big difference between Czechs in the USA and anyone who lives there. No one (that I know of) discriminates against race, just location.

If you can't figure out at least 3 other reasons to ban a country....who's the moron?

Quote:

Originally posted by p1mpdogg
ok.. let me rephrase.

We all know the TOS says 'This country is banned..blahblahblah".. and that isnt being argued.. I think what is being argued is the ethics involved in this issue. His signups have not been deemed fraudulent.. so why not terminate his account and pay him.. both ppl are happy, lesson learned.. no harm no foul? is that hard todo? Doesn't give siccash any bad PR, and the affiliate learns his lesson.

I dont see why that wouldnt make everyone happy

Beacause that opens the doors for every other webmaster from a banned country to join with fasle info, change it later, then demand payment. If they do this there's no reason to even have a TOS. Maybe if this guy had contacted Brad before he sent traffic and explained his situation they could have worked something out, but he didn't. He attempted to defraud SIC Cash, if they paid him I would be shocked, so would every program owner. Lensman, any thoughts on this?

quiet · 12-12-2002, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shooter
Jeez, this is like the 8000th time we've had this discussion.

at least

miguel7 · 12-12-2002, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rich J.
If you really want to push a program and your in a country on their banned list, email them. Show them how you plan to promote the site and chances are they will allow you into the program. I know we have done it for a few webmasters with no problem.

I work for other sponsors which have Czech republic on blacklist, I sent them mail and show my sites and they approved me, they know from which country I'm.
But siccash.com ignore all people from banned countries... of course I tried to e-mail them first but no talk...

topal · 12-12-2002, 03:23 PM

sexy-photos.com is not a simple page.. he has over 100k/day and you cant say to him "TOS blabalbala"
and i cant understand the logic of blocking a whole country! i live in 3 countried in a year and one of them is blocked! god bless wire transfers.. or i would be in same position!

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

I work for other sponsors which have Czech republic on blacklist, I sent them mail and show my sites and they approved me, they know from which country I'm.
But siccash.com ignore all people from banned countries... no talk...

So why did you start sending traffic to begin with?

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TomasDean
[The Leader], I agree with you, Miguel broke their rules.

I do not know american laws, but I feel that I cannot simple write to my rules "Black people are not permit to join my program". And this Country thing is the same...

He has made almost $2000 with their program!
Do you understand that he is NOT an 1% webmaster?

Wrong, it's perfectly legal to not allow webmasters to join your program. As it's been said ten times in this thread, it has nothing to do with racism. This whole comparing it to "not allowing blacks" arrgument is ridicoulous. It's not the same at all, if you can't see that, well then you're about as smart as TheFly.

Sorry to everyone about being rude, but this whole arrgument has happend so many times over the years, and I don't understand how people can still be so stupid. It's not complicated at all, in fact it's one of the most simple things I can think of.

Program A doesn't allow webmasters from country B. I live in country B. Should I use program A? Come on my 7 year old would laugh at how simple this question is.

Naughty · 12-12-2002, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Nydahl

something personal against people from Czech or Slovak?I am former kick boxer

Hell yeah ...

I want your content and you cannot get PayPal

pornjudge · 12-12-2002, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Brad Shaw is just a cheater. He doesn't care how he gets his money. He owes me ~$900 too...

Never fuckin trust a last name like SHAW.... My past best friends name was Shaw & a fuckin good rat he was...

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal
sexy-photos.com is not a simple page.. he has over 100k/day and you cant say to him "TOS blabalbala"
and i cant understand the logic of blocking a whole country! i live in 3 countried in a year and one of them is blocked! god bless wire transfers.. or i would be in same position!

What? So since he runs some big site he should get special treatment and everyone should kiss his feet?

I don't think so.

There are hundreds of sponsors. Why choose the one that clearly states you can't participate?

Brad Mitchell · 12-12-2002, 03:26 PM

With respect to all of the GOOD international webmasters... I have some opinions on the subject. But first I want to say that I appreciate my international SinTalk and SinHost clients.

I prequalify every SinTalk customer to the best of my ability. I agree with the 90/10 rule, not 99/1. And, for the record, despite the fact it may be that way for US webmasters it is NOT that way for international webmasters.

Outside of the US, Canada, England and Australia I've had TONS of problems. The bulk of people that I've talked to online are spammers or people doing other funky things. Getting a real url that's not a CJ or a landing page for their spamming is difficult. More than 50% of the international webmasters applying to my program get declined for these reasons. I must be hard to police a big program. Mine is small, I boot unproductive webmasters and I know almost everyone so it's a bit different.

The joke of it is, though, that all the website affiliate programs work with spammers so what we see here on GFY is double talk. I don't and never could, if for no other reason than the strict FTC requirements on age and price disclosures associated with phone sex.

However, I have luxury of talking to webmasters first... and I'm the first guy to sign up an international webmaster if we have a good conversation and he seems to check out. Without giving a multitude of affiliates the opportunity to succeed, you'll never be successful as an affiliate program.

Cheers,

Brad

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

I work for other sponsors which have Czech republic on blacklist, I sent them mail and show my sites and they approved me, they know from which country I'm.
But siccash.com ignore all people from banned countries... no talk...

Then use one of the sponsors that lets you send them traffic. See how simple this is.

BTW Shooter and quiet, this is number 8043 by my count.

Brad Mitchell · 12-12-2002, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Ok please list the other factors -- why Czech people are so "lawless" -- I have Czech friends in Florida... You're a moron.

We have a lot of Czech au-pairs here in Detroit... They're usually pretty hot and well mannered!

Brad

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal
sexy-photos.com is not a simple page.. he has over 100k/day and you cant say to him "TOS blabalbala"
and i cant understand the logic of blocking a whole country! i live in 3 countried in a year and one of them is blocked! god bless wire transfers.. or i would be in same position!

Sorry my head exploaded while reading your post.

So what if he has 100k a day, that means he can break a sponsors TOS and still expect to be paid?

TheFLY · 12-12-2002, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shooter
Banning countries has absolutely nothing to with racism. It has to do with the fact that there's a large number of cheaters in that country, to the point where it costs the company money to allow them as affiliates. You're an honest webmaster? Email them with a reference and 95% will let you in.

Jeez, this is like the 8000th time we've had this discussion.

If you aren't doing biz with all countries, then you are just not competitive... or stupid. Anyone can get mail in the USA. If there are any "banned" webmasters out there reading this -- I will take delivery of your checks and paypal you the $$$.

FlyingIguana · 12-12-2002, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

When you break the rules, your "rights" are stripped.

i agree he shouldn't be paid up until when siccash found out. but it appears that sic cash allowed him to keep sending traffic while knowing they weren't gonna pay him.

just because this single affiliate lied, doesn't mean sic cash should steal.

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire
I agree with the 90/10 rule, not 99/1

Even Russia?

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

The joke of it is, though, that all the website affiliate programs work with spammers so what we see here on GFY is double talk.

What does spam have to do with this? That's a whole other thread.

miguel7 · 12-12-2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

So why did you start sending traffic to begin with?

I got some checks from sisccash.com, they paid me before.. so I promoted them more and ....

FlyingIguana · 12-12-2002, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

I work for other sponsors which have Czech republic on blacklist, I sent them mail and show my sites and they approved me, they know from which country I'm.
But siccash.com ignore all people from banned countries... of course I tried to e-mail them first but no talk...

obviously they didn't want you and you shouldnt have lied on your sign up form with them.

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

I got some checks from sisccash.com, they paid me before.. so I promoted them more and ....

Why did you START though?

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

If you aren't doing biz with all countries, then you are just not competitive... or stupid. Anyone can get mail in the USA. If there are any "banned" webmasters out there reading this -- I will take delivery of your checks and paypal you the $$$.

Not competitive? Yeah that's why YOUR program is bigger than SIC, adult.com, CEN, ARS, Max cash, CE, Ox cash, and every other program that bans some countries. Good call.

You're going to have 100 scammers contacting you in the next ten minutes to have you cash checks, and some government agency will be contacting you very soon as well. Not all forign webmasters are scammers, but a lot are. Do I have to dig up the link to that scammer BBS? All anyone is looking for there are people to cash $10-20k checks in the USA and then send the money elsewhere, for like a 20% cut. Yeah that's a good business to get into Fly, smart move.

edit spelling

TheFLY · 12-12-2002, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [The Leader]
Yeah that's a good business to get into Fly, smart move.

Yeah meanwhile you have rawlikesushi.com in your signature... LOL

topal · 12-12-2002, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

What? So since he runs some big site he should get special treatment and everyone should kiss his feet?

you bastard you cant handle truth.. miguel is a nice guy he can never send enough traffic back to me but its okay.. i dont need to kiss anyones feet.. only a low level person can use your words.. oh well i can understand why they call you SICK

whatever.. siccash is banned by tomorrow... serious

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

you bastard you cant handle truth.. miguel is a nice guy he can never send enough traffic back to me but its okay.. i dont need to kiss anyones feet.. only a low level person can use your words.. oh well i can understand why they call you SICK

whatever.. siccash is banned by tomorrow... serious

The truth? What truth? That he sent SIC Cash traffic, all while violating the TOS?

I understand the truth just fine. It seems you're the one who's having the problem understanding that your friend broke a TOS.

No matter how much traffic, how many sales, or how cool Miguel is, he still broke the TOS.

TheFLY · 12-12-2002, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
If there are any "banned" webmasters out there reading this -- I will take delivery of your checks and paypal you the $$$.

Even better, I will buy your clicks directly.

Brad Mitchell · 12-12-2002, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [The Leader]

What does spam have to do with this? That's a whole other thread.

Plus in response to your Russia comment...

If you re-read my post I said that I decline over 50% of foreign webmasters because they don't meet my expectations. I've not yet had a Russian webmaster that's been allowed into SinTalk yet.

With regard to spamming, the spirit of this thread is about "TERMS AND CONDITIONS". Webmasters that spam, send poor traffic and commit credit card fraud are usually at the root of such a document. Again, it seems you missed the jist of my post. My point was that my overwhelming experience with foreign webmasters is that they're perpetrating some kind of fraud.

However, to add balance, I make case by case SUBJECTIVE decisions. It's my company, I'll choose who I want and don't want representing it.. I have many international webmasters that do an excellent job and I'm glad they're in my program.

It occurs to me that the whole conversation of booting webmasters should also be conjoined with the question of how do programs pay $35-$40 per signup.

Cheers,

Brad

TomasDean · 12-12-2002, 03:49 PM

It is quite common practice for me to start sending hits to sponsor, make some sales, and THEN write email to them about "I am from Czech, let's talk about your TOS" ... So they can see what kind of surfers am I sending to them and that I am able to make them some extra cash.

As Miguel said, they did not answer to any of his emails, they just sent some checks to him ... For me it could be something like "WELCOME" Answer...

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Why did you START though?

p1mpdogg · 12-12-2002, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

you bastard you cant handle truth.. miguel is a nice guy he can never send enough traffic back to me but its okay.. i dont need to kiss anyones feet.. only a low level person can use your words.. oh well i can understand why they call you SICK

whatever.. siccash is banned by tomorrow... serious

for what its worth.. Ill let him signup and promote me.. I will hold him back 1 week payment for obvious reasons until I am more comfortable with his sales... 25 per free signup 30 after 30 sales 11 sites to promote.. hit me up on icq 141588569
or email webmaster at epiccash.com

topal · 12-12-2002, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

Plus in response to your Russia comment...

If you re-read my post I said that I decline over 50% of foreign webmasters because they don't meet my expectations. I've not yet had a Russian webmaster that's been allowed into SinTalk yet.

With regard to spamming, the spirit of this thread is about "TERMS AND CONDITIONS". Webmasters that spam, send poor traffic and commit credit card fraud are usually at the root of such a document. Again, it seems you missed the jist of my post. My point was that my overwhelming experience with foreign webmasters is that they're perpetrating some kind of fraud.

However, to add balance, I make case by case SUBJECTIVE decisions. It's my company, I'll choose who I want and don't want representing it.. I have many international webmasters that do an excellent job and I'm glad they're in my program.

It occurs to me that the whole conversation of booting webmasters should also be conjoined with the question of how do programs pay $35-$40 per signup.

Cheers,

Brad

by today you lost at least 1

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:52 PM

Brad I respect your opionion, sorry if I misunderstood your post a little. I see what you're saying now.

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Yeah meanwhile you have rawlikesushi.com in your signature... LOL

My sig's joke, all three links are former programs used by 12clicks to shave the shit of out webmasters and not pay others than finally closed down when there reputations got too bad, only to be opened under a different name. Just brining light to that.

quiet · 12-12-2002, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

by today you lost at least 1

uh, different brad lol

Dildozer · 12-12-2002, 03:53 PM

The thing that annoys me here isn't that he gave a false country then changed it. It's that siccash let him send more and more traffic for a long time while still promising payment while no checks were sent. That i call crooked and dishonest, the best thing to do would have been to contact the webmaster and inform him of his country ban.
Pay what you owe for the signups, ban him and get on with life.
Lying is just not good business.

miguel7 · 12-12-2002, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

The truth? What truth? That he sent SIC Cash traffic, all while violating the TOS?

I understand the truth just fine. It seems you're the one who's having the problem understanding that your friend broke a TOS.

No matter how much traffic, how many sales, or how cool Miguel is, he still broke the TOS.

SORRY for my birthplace....!!!
I couldn't choose my birthplace!

Socks · 12-12-2002, 03:55 PM

This is *really* bad PR Brad, I think it's time to save some face, no? If you'd sent him cheques before, and he got them, and he cashed them, then you must have been putting the right country on the envelopes? If that was *your* mistake by sending those initial cheques, then I believe it's your responsibility to pay up and end the relationship there cleanly.

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TomasDean
It is quite common practice for me to start sending hits to sponsor, make some sales, and THEN write email to them about "I am from Czech, let's talk about your TOS" ... So they can see what kind of surfers am I sending to them and that I am able to make them some extra cash.

As Miguel said, they did not answer to any of his emails, they just sent some checks to him ... For me it could be something like "WELCOME" Answer...

Fine, but you have to admit, after you do that you know it's the sponsors choice wheather he wants to buy your traffic. You know you're breaking the TOS, and they don't owe you anything, even an e-mail. Joining a program is like legally signing the TOS. I assume if the sponsor choose not to deal with you you wouldn't come here and say he owes you money.

Socks · 12-12-2002, 03:56 PM

Miguel, let's do some business together.. Add me to your ICQ please, 1209684. If you don't use ICQ, let me know how I can contact you please.

Fletch XXX · 12-12-2002, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

SORRY for my birthplace....!!!
I couldn't choose my birthplace!

Of course you couldn't.

But you certainly were aware of them not sending checks to your locale, by the TOS.

So you provided fake info to get accepted, then tried to switch the pay info to be sent to a clearly marked banned country.

Is that what happened? Thats what I am getting from the thread.

In that case, its your fault.

topal · 12-12-2002, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

The truth? What truth? That he sent SIC Cash traffic, all while violating the TOS?

I understand the truth just fine. It seems you're the one who's having the problem understanding that your friend broke a TOS.

No matter how much traffic, how many sales, or how cool Miguel is, he still broke the TOS.

the truth is you start to yell TOS after he generated $3600+.. your purpose is very clear..

TheFLY · 12-12-2002, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [The Leader]
My sig's joke, all three links are former programs used by 12clicks to shave the shit of out webmasters and not pay others than finally closed down when there reputations got too bad, only to be opened under a different name. Just brining light to that.

Ok well no hard feelings then... I said what I needed to say... I don't care where you live, traffic is traffic, signups are signups...

I will do biz with anyone -- just nobody from the "Axis of Evil"

(got to cover my ass too

)

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer
The thing that annoys me here isn't that he gave a false country then changed it. It's that siccash let him send more and more traffic for a long time while still promising payment while no checks were sent. That i call crooked and dishonest, the best thing to do would have been to contact the webmaster and inform him of his country ban.
Pay what you owe for the signups, ban him and get on with life.
Lying is just not good business.

Where did SIC Cash lie? I'm sure they never told him they'd send a check to a banned Country.

Quote:

Originally posted by miguel7

SORRY for my birthplace....!!!
I couldn't choose my birthplace!

Oh my God, you really are slow, aren't you?

IT'S A BUSINESS DESISSION TO NOT BUY TRAFFIC FROM PEOPLE IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE WORLD, FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT WHATSOEVER, YOU CHOOSE WHO TO TRADE TRAFFIC WITH, RIGHT? NO ONE IS BLAMMING YOU FOR BEING BORN WHERE YOU ARE. THEY'RE BLAMMING YOU FOR ATTEMPTING TO SEND TRAFFIC TO SOMEONE BY GIVING FASLSE INFO. THEY DON'T WANT YOUR TRAFFIC, STOP BEING A FUCKING BABY AND DEAL WITH IT. GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE. YOU SAY YOU HAVE ALL THESE OTHER SPONSORS THAT WILL BUY YOUR TRAFFIC, WE'LL SHUT THE FUCK UP AND START CHANGING YOUR LINKS. NOT COMPLICATED!!!!!!!

Sly_RJ · 12-12-2002, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

the truth is you start to yell TOS after he generated $3600+.. your purpose is very clear..

You obviously have no idea about the truth. You think I work for SIC Cash! I don't! Call Brad, he has no idea who I am.

I don't even like SIC, nor do I trust them.

I'm a completely unbiased third-party, looking in. This is what I see. As do several others here.

What's the problem? And what's my purpose?

TDF · 12-12-2002, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

the truth is you start to yell TOS after he generated $3600+.. your purpose is very clear..

shonuff

[The Leader] · 12-12-2002, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by topal

the truth is you start to yell TOS after he generated $3600+.. your purpose is very clear..

ahahahahahaha

The TOS was there all along, and they stopped paying as soon as they figured out his SCAM. The point here is if you deliberately break a sponsors TOS, you shouldn't be and probably won't be paid. fucking period.

12-12-2002, 03:10 PM	#53
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	ok.. let me rephrase. We all know the TOS says 'This country is banned..blahblahblah".. and that isnt being argued.. I think what is being argued is the ethics involved in this issue. His signups have not been deemed fraudulent.. so why not terminate his account and pay him.. both ppl are happy, lesson learned.. no harm no foul? is that hard todo? Doesn't give siccash any bad PR, and the affiliate learns his lesson. I dont see why that wouldnt make everyone happy __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner! Last edited by p1mpdogg; 12-12-2002 at 03:11 PM..

12-12-2002, 03:12 PM	#55
Rich J. Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California Posts: 589	If you really want to push a program and your in a country on their banned list, email them. Show them how you plan to promote the site and chances are they will allow you into the program. I know we have done it for a few webmasters with no problem. __________________ Adult Web Marketing Specialist with 10 years of Industry Experience - CONTACT ME

12-12-2002, 03:26 PM	#68
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	With respect to all of the GOOD international webmasters... I have some opinions on the subject. But first I want to say that I appreciate my international SinTalk and SinHost clients. I prequalify every SinTalk customer to the best of my ability. I agree with the 90/10 rule, not 99/1. And, for the record, despite the fact it may be that way for US webmasters it is NOT that way for international webmasters. Outside of the US, Canada, England and Australia I've had TONS of problems. The bulk of people that I've talked to online are spammers or people doing other funky things. Getting a real url that's not a CJ or a landing page for their spamming is difficult. More than 50% of the international webmasters applying to my program get declined for these reasons. I must be hard to police a big program. Mine is small, I boot unproductive webmasters and I know almost everyone so it's a bit different. The joke of it is, though, that all the website affiliate programs work with spammers so what we see here on GFY is double talk. I don't and never could, if for no other reason than the strict FTC requirements on age and price disclosures associated with phone sex. However, I have luxury of talking to webmasters first... and I'm the first guy to sign up an international webmaster if we have a good conversation and he seems to check out. Without giving a multitude of affiliates the opportunity to succeed, you'll never be successful as an affiliate program. Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

12-12-2002, 03:53 PM	#89
Dildozer Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,519	The thing that annoys me here isn't that he gave a false country then changed it. It's that siccash let him send more and more traffic for a long time while still promising payment while no checks were sent. That i call crooked and dishonest, the best thing to do would have been to contact the webmaster and inform him of his country ban. Pay what you owe for the signups, ban him and get on with life. Lying is just not good business. __________________ Spam link here

12-12-2002, 03:07 PM	#51
topal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 606	man.. this guy made these sales.. and they didnt tell anything until he wants his money!.. stats area saya checks are posted.. but they never sent!.. what the fuck logic is this? he made sales.. they made $3600 or more bucks and they MUST send his money.. its his right!

12-12-2002, 03:15 PM	#57
TomasDean So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Czech republic Posts: 2,292	[The Leader], I agree with you, Miguel broke their rules. I do not know american laws, but I feel that I cannot simple write to my rules "Black people are not permit to join my program". And this Country thing is the same... He has made almost $2000 with their program! Do you understand that he is NOT an 1% webmaster?

12-12-2002, 03:18 PM	#58
Shooter Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 2,842	Banning countries has absolutely nothing to with racism. It has to do with the fact that there's a large number of cheaters in that country, to the point where it costs the company money to allow them as affiliates. You're an honest webmaster? Email them with a reference and 95% will let you in. Jeez, this is like the 8000th time we've had this discussion.

12-12-2002, 03:23 PM	#62
topal Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 606	sexy-photos.com is not a simple page.. he has over 100k/day and you cant say to him "TOS blabalbala" and i cant understand the logic of blocking a whole country! i live in 3 countried in a year and one of them is blocked! god bless wire transfers.. or i would be in same position!

12-12-2002, 03:55 PM	#91
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	This is really bad PR Brad, I think it's time to save some face, no? If you'd sent him cheques before, and he got them, and he cashed them, then you must have been putting the right country on the envelopes? If that was your mistake by sending those initial cheques, then I believe it's your responsibility to pay up and end the relationship there cleanly.

12-12-2002, 03:56 PM	#93
Socks Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 8,475	Miguel, let's do some business together.. Add me to your ICQ please, 1209684. If you don't use ICQ, let me know how I can contact you please.